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Emusic Relaunches - Cheap, DRM-Free Downloads 445

An anonymous reader writes "Emusic.com has relaunched today. This is important for several reasons. 1) They sell MP3s. No DRM. I can play them on my Linux box or wherever. 2) They are encoding at 192Kbit/s VBR. That's near CD quality (and how I rip my own CDs). They are focusing on lesser known independent music and providing some editorial content to separate the good from the bad. I see lots of great jazz, classical, and folk/country stuff in their library. 4) Subscription rate is 9.99/month for 40 tracks. That is $0.25 a track. Much cheaper than everywhere else. It's near my pricepoint. This is the first online music store that I will seriously consider. (And actually the first that I _can_ consider since I'm a linux user.)"
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  • by DrunkenTerror ( 561616 ) * on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:14PM (#10322277) Homepage Journal

    Here's the link to browse their catalog! [emusic.com]

    Stupid promo redirect.
    • by DrunkenTerror ( 561616 ) * on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:19PM (#10322355) Homepage Journal

      And here's a Coral link! [nyud.net]
      She's getting hammered, as of 20:19 UTC.
    • Independant bands are all well and good, but Id like to see the major bands signing on with these. Wait, you say the major bands are crap, and are only popular because the labels cram them down our necks?

      Partially true indeed, but at least some popular or semi-popular songs are quite good. This product does however appear to be cheap enough to supplement kaaza and cd ripping. Why steal when you can buy cheaply?


      • Independant bands are all well and good, but Id like to see the major bands signing on with these.

        Won't happen. EMUSICs focus is small, indie bands (for the most part) because the big labels won't let their stuff be released with DRM 'protection'.

        It's good for the indies, really, as all the big stuff is available for free anyhow so this gives the indies some exposure.
      • by bubkus_jones ( 561139 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:40PM (#10322621)
        Major label bands have their (outdated, some say) distribution model. Indie bands don't have as many resources, and have to work harder to get thier music out to anywhere outside their local touring area.

        This provides a means of doing it that's 1) cheap for the consumer, 2) not giving it away, and 3) not trying to control the use of the file.

        I wouldn't want to see big-name bands on systems like these, because they'd push out the lesser known/indie bands, and the major labels would probably force emusic to use DRM'd files, which would defeat one of the big pro's of this service.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:43PM (#10322658)
        I'm the opposite. I'd like the major bands to stay away from services like emusic. Why? Major bands are pricier, they will require a higher price, that'll confuse things at the least. Also major bands will overwhelm the indies and we'll be back to square 1. What you're suggesting is the crap that's happened over and over again in USA with Walmart, Starbucks, McDonald's and all the other "major" shops that crowd out individuals and entrepreneurship and invite in the big brother.

        No. Keep the major bands in itunes and its clones, leave the indies alone in emusic and its clones. If you like both kinds, nothing stops you from using two or more services simultaneously.
      • by hackstraw ( 262471 ) * on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:14PM (#10323083)
        Why steal when you can buy cheaply?

        Why pay anything when you can pay nothing?
    • by gfody ( 514448 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:30PM (#10322497)
      why don't more sites use a simple query tool like newegg's? just about every site tries to categorize everything into drill down categories that actually maximizing the amount of clicks it takes to find what you want.

      here is what it will take for me to pay for music:
      1) must host every song ever, available for immediate speedy download in more than a few different formats/bitrates
      2) a query tool (genre, artist, date of release, lyrics, etc) at LEAST a simple search utility
      3) when I select a song I want to see the list of "other people who selected this song also selected.."

      thats it.. first site to implement these 3 features gets my money. I don't care what it costs.
      • by tfoss ( 203340 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:08PM (#10322997)
        here is what it will take for me to pay for music:
        1) must host every song ever, available for immediate speedy download in more than a few different formats/bitrates
        2) a query tool (genre, artist, date of release, lyrics, etc) at LEAST a simple search utility
        3) when I select a song I want to see the list of "other people who selected this song also selected.."

        thats it.. first site to implement these 3 features gets my money. I don't care what it costs.

        Hm, would you like those to come with a naked supermodel listening partner, or would you prefer she have a whipped-cream bikini instead?

        Seriously dude, if you are setting your sights that high (#1 by itself is im-freaking-possible), then you are not the target market.

        -Ted

      • by schnell ( 163007 ) <me&schnell,net> on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:13PM (#10323058) Homepage

        here is what it will take for me to pay for music:
        1) must host every song ever, available for immediate speedy download in more than a few different formats/bitrates
        2) a query tool (genre, artist, date of release, lyrics, etc) at LEAST a simple search utility
        3) when I select a song I want to see the list of "other people who selected this song also selected.."

        thats it.. first site to implement these 3 features gets my money. I don't care what it costs.

        iTMS has items #2 and #3. Every song ever? Come on, nobody has ever had that, nor would anyone want to. It wouldn't be worth the disk space to store or even the cost of electricity to rip the hundreds of thousands of old albums that will never, ever be purchased by anyone again. And nobody but geeks ask for multiple encoding rates ... the same Slashdot audience that whines about 99 cents being too much to pay for a song. Not exactly the target market businesses want to cater to.

        I'm not suggesting that you personally are doing this ... but some people in the past have made deliberately unachievable "want" lists for online music distribution as a justification for pirating music. (And before you ask, yes, I have downloaded music that I don't own; I can rationalize it [not available except on vinyl and I don't have/want a record player] but I know that it doesn't make it right.)

        I can say "I won't buy a satellite TV system until it has a.) 1000 channels and b.) costs less than $9.99/month." I can refuse to buy a DTV or Dish system because it doesn't meet my criteria. But it doesn't justify my going out and pirating satellite TV. The point is that you can sit on the sidelines of the legal downloading market for as long as you like, waiting for your wishlist of features, or you can use what's available to you now if it's good enough. Just don't use "it's not quite the way I want it" as an excuse for doing something wrong.

        Again - not saying the parent poster is doing this. But just throwing out a little cosmic karma caution to those who may be doing it.

  • by XaviorPenguin ( 789745 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:14PM (#10322281) Homepage Journal
    ...welcome our Cheap, DRM-Free Music Downloading Overlords!
    • ...welcome our Cheap, DRM-Free Music Downloading Overlords!

      Maybe they have Yusef Islam [reuters.co.uk], dangerous music from a hight level threat to the USA. Kinda puts all that gangsta rap to shame, no?

      we listened to Peace Train and we LIKED IT!

  • I am signing up... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by grasshoppa ( 657393 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:16PM (#10322305) Homepage
    ...if for no other reason than to encourage this kind of service.

    I haven't even seen the catalog yet. :)
    • Please do.
      I've been a member for almost two years. It's a fantastic service with a lot of great music, even if it hasn't all been blessed by the Top-40 Illuminati.
    • If you've got some capacity, try some of the following bands on there...

      The Fall, Cocteau Twins, Bauhaus, The Pixies. If you can find Cruiser's Creek on there,try it.

    • encourage magnatune (Score:5, Informative)

      by chocolatetrumpet ( 73058 ) <{slashdot} {at} {jonathanfilbert.com}> on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:43PM (#10322662) Homepage Journal
      I am the last person to "promo" a record label, but I can't believe I haven't seen it on slashdot yet.

      Magnatune [magnatune.com]
      Free mp3 streaming of the entire catalog.

      If you want, pay $5-$18 (you choose!) for an album download (40+ minutes) in mp3, ogg, wav, or whatever it is you like. Artist gets 50%.

      If you want a physical cd, pay $15-$30 (something like that.. you choose!) and the artist gets 100%.

      There is *no crap* in magnatune; all of their members are peer reviewed. It's solid.

      I don't work for them or anything, I am just a very happy customer!
      • by Proc6 ( 518858 )
        Yes! Thank you! I saw this URL on Slashdot a while back, loved it, lost it, couldn't find it again with google from memory. Was trying like Mega-Radio, etc. I decided I'd probably just never see the site again, and here you post it.

        Thanks again, and everyone else should look at it. Quality artists there.

      • by Rhys ( 96510 )
        Last time similar music sites came up I tagged a Magnatune comment on it but didn't catch much moderation (too late in the day I guess).

        Gotta love em tho. How many other record companies have a phrase: "We are not evil." AND have a symbol that looks at first glance like it's flipping someone off?
      • I have purchased from Magnatune and have been happy.

        When I become interested in an artist on Magnatune, I can never find a web page for that artist off the Magnatune site. Is that part of the contract with Magnatune?

    • by Ozwald ( 83516 )
      Wow! Willing to jump onto a fixed price service with a download limit that focuses on unknown talent! You're brave!

      Really, I believe the Internet needs to be the next generation radio, instead everybody is trying to figure out new pricing plans or protocols to hose the consumer or the artists. What I want is a way to discover new talent FOR FREE, new music FOR FREE, and be given some reason for faith that the rest of the CD is good too. If so, let me purchase the rest. I'm sure artists are also lookin
    • I haven't even seen the catalog yet. :)

      I thought I would check this service out quickly. I trusted them with my name, email, street address, and credit card #. Hopefully that won't come back to bite me in the ass. Anyway, I hadn't seen the catalog before giving out this info either. It didn't seem to be available from the free trial page I arrived at. Feeling adventurous, I took the plunge anyway.

      As I suspected, the music selection is extremely limited, and of pretty terrible sound quality, despite be

  • Slashvertisement (Score:3, Insightful)

    by suss ( 158993 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:16PM (#10322307)
    Ummm yeah... submitted by an "Anonymous Reader", not by the owner of emusic at all, right? /wonders how much that cost.
  • by wheezl ( 63394 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:16PM (#10322308)
    are they hoping you might forget to pick up all 40 of your tracks? odd.

    allofmp3.com is still superior
    • by mOoZik ( 698544 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:19PM (#10322347) Homepage
      Yes, that's the business model, it seems. At first glance, it seems like a perfect deal, until you realize that maybe you don't need 40 tracks a month, and maybe just one or two. But guess what? According to the Slashdot summary, you're still gonna get charged the $10 a month. This is for those heavy music buyers. I'll stick to iTunes, thank you very much.

      • Their business model was better -- for me! -- when it was $10 a month for all the tracks you could download. I came to digital music late, found out about emusic first, and can honestly say I don't have any pirated .mp3s among the ~4GB of music on my machine...
        • Yes, it will favor heavy-downloaders like you, and it does appear economical from that POV. However, I don't know how they will make money, besides from the people who don't buy all 40 tracks. Between paying royalties and covering their costs, is there really that much left over to justify their operation? Last I checked, Apple and others broke even, even at four times the price; their motivation was to sell hardware, where the real profit margins lay.

          • Apple set out to make itunes promote the ipod, but after porting it to another OS and selling over a million songs, it appears to have reached the point where it makes a tiny profit of its own.
    • by jschottm ( 317343 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:27PM (#10322468)
      Yes folks, the dubiously legal (at best) russian site that doesn't actually pay the artists (anything appreciable) is somehow able to undercut the legal service that tries to make sure that everyone gets paid, yet offers reasonably high quality recordings with NO DRM and restrictions for personal use. Hands up those who are surprised.

      As far as the 40 tracks/month thing, well yeah. It's called being in business. No pricing policy will ever suit everyone's needs, but these folks have chosen one that appears to work for them and their clients. If you only want one or two tracks a month, this is not the service for you. I've been a subscriber for some time, and it works for me, even though there've been some months I don't use up my quota. Big deal. The monthly fee is about the cost of a decent meal.

      As a point of information, a nice thing about their DRM-less existance is that they keep track of what you have download and let you redownload the same tracks for free. So if your hard drive crashes or if you want a copy of a song while you're at work, just log in, go to the page of what you've downloaded in the past, and download it again.
      • What Russian site are you referring to?

      • I would have had no problem paying more for Emusic, or even paying more on a per-track basis, if Emusic had stuck with a model I could actually use. I listen to a lot of music, and 40 tracks / month is completely asinine. What if I run out of quota in the middle of an album? Oh, tough luck for me I guess? No. I take my business elsewhere.

        No pricing policy will ever suit everyone's needs, but these folks have chosen one that appears to work for them and their clients.

        I see plenty of clients posting here
    • Why stop at allofmp3.com? Might as well go straight to pirating music off KaZaA or whatever kids use these days since both are illegal in the United States. allofmp3.com is only legal in Russia. They made a deal with the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society which is the Russian equivalent of the RIAA. This does not in any way translate to being legal for Americans.

      There is discussion at the following forum as well as many others if you Google for a few minutes.

      http://www.delldjsite.com/forums/a [delldjsite.com]
      • by Txiasaeia ( 581598 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:53PM (#10322766)
        What are you talking about, not being legal for USians? From the linked site:

        "Anyway, my friend and I were scouring the net looking for info on this site, and the controversy surrounding it. Here's the final word...from the horses'...well, I'll let you decide which part of the anatomy you insert there.

        After checking with the RIAA and other licensing agencies, KCTL Kansas City; the radio station for KCTalk.com; has switched from paying $1.00 per song with Napster, to using the "pay per meg" service at allofmp3.com.

        After the RIAA confirmed in an email that the service is in fact legal, just under a different contract due to the site being located in Russia, the switch was made immediately. All downloaded music from the site was quote "able to be used in a full broadcast and media capacity".

        KCTalk.com just wanted to pass this information on to others that have been searching for a real site to download stuff from without paying arms and legs. Thank you to Dies Irae for pointing out this service.

        Furthermore, KCTL has started replacing thier songs that were previously encoded at 128k, with the cheaper, yet better sounding, 192k that allofmp3.com provides. We have downloaded 9 songs, and have not quite used $0.75 yet. Great service!

        Go, check it out. This radio station has done all of the "legwork" for us. Download, and be merry!"

    • allofmp3 is still superior? I doubt that any service can beat 1c/meg. Being able to choose your preffered format (even ogg) at an almost arbitrary bitrate is another feature we won't see anywhere else in the near future.
      There is just one big drawback: Artists won't get much money if you spend 3 ct per track on average if you don't download 30 times as much as you would using itunes.

      However, I'm wondering how they manage to stay in business (yes, they are kind of legal - but I can think of a 4 letter organi
  • Pricepoint? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:17PM (#10322318)
    That is $0.25 a track. Much cheaper than everywhere else. It's near my pricepoint. This

    First it was anything but $0.99/track is not cheap enough. Then $0.99 is not enough,.. Now people are not even willing to spend a whole quarter for a song? I think there are some people here who will still be complaining when they are free, just because they aren't encoded at a high enough bitrate!
    • I think people -here- will complain they are not OGG.
      :-)
    • Re:Pricepoint? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:35PM (#10322563)
      About a year ago you could get unlimited downloads for $9.99 a month. Emusic stopped that when it was sold. I canceled my account the day they announced the move to 40 downloads a month.

      You may think 40 downloads is a lot, but for the type of music available at Emusic, it isn't. Most people who posted in the forums at Emusic liked to try different artists and styles. That was easy to do with unlimited downloads. The majority of the music at Emusic is material most people aren't going to know, so being able to experiment was a big part of why customers stayed with them. It's hard to experiment with 40 tracks. I listen to that much music almost every day.

      The problem with Emusic's change in service is that many posters on the forums said they would have paid $50 for an unlimited service. I certainly would have. It's their loss.
      • Re:Pricepoint? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Chris Burke ( 6130 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:29PM (#10323249) Homepage
        I was an absolutely ecstatic Emusic subscriber, and I would plug them in just about every /. article on online music, DRM, etc. because they were awesome.

        My standard model, which apparently was pretty common, was to download a single album from ten bands, burn it on a CD and listen to it at work for a week or two and decide what I liked. Then I'd get more of those bands, burn a CD for work, listen for several more weeks. Repeat a couple times, and I'd have enough new music to last me for several months. I wouldn't download much in that time, but I kept the subscription because when I wanted to experiment with some new bands, I could.

        The new model, while still better than some of the other schemes kicking around including others suggested by Emusic, doesn't lend itself well to this experimental style.

        It might still work, but the amount of experimentation would be more limited, and I'd have to wait a month to turn experimentation into aquiring more songs from the bands I liked. Eh, maybe I'll try it for a month or two.
    • Re: Pricepoint? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Who said $0.99 was ever reasonable?

      CD tracks were averaging $0.99 when the industry was telling Congress that it would get cheaper after the investment costs were written off!

      The cost of online distribution is a fraction of what it once took, i.e. manufacturing, inventory, shipping, personnel, etc, and you are _still_ paying the same price for an inferior product!

      This complaint isn't new...you just never listened to the original complaint we had!!!
    • by nathanh ( 1214 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:24PM (#10323197) Homepage
      First it was anything but $0.99/track is not cheap enough. Then $0.99 is not enough,.. Now people are not even willing to spend a whole quarter for a song?

      Different people. Even when some people were saying "$0.99/track is OK" there were others saying "no way, that's the same as CD, I'd rather just buy the CD'.

      Here's a hint. At the top of each message is a name. That name indicates a different person. By reading those names you can see that different people say different things. I can see how it might have confused you with lots of people saying different things on Slashdot. You clearly thought it was a single person with schizophrenia. But armed with this helpful hint you should now be able to distinguish different participants. HTH.

      I think there are some people here who will still be complaining when they are free, just because they aren't encoded at a high enough bitrate!

      That's a pretty safe prediction because those sorts of people have already said as much in previous stories. Many of them want FLAC instead of a lossy MP3 or AAC format. Zero Nostradamus points for you, I'm afraid!

    • 0.99 is way too much for me, IMHO, as I like to listen to a lot of songs relatively few times per. 0.25 is more like it. 0.10 is probably closer to the true value of your average song.

      For the record, if TV were pay-per-view, I wouldn't spend more than $0.25 per commercial-free half-hour one-time-view. It doesn't sound like much, but any more than that and the prices take it above cable and rental. Again, 0.10 or less is closer to the value of your average TV half-hour show.

      Well, it doesn't matter. Th
  • by YetAnotherName ( 168064 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:18PM (#10322340) Homepage
    The iTMS [apple.com] was the only online music store that really had me sit up and take notice. Now eMusic [emusic.com] is making me do the same thing.

    iTunes is nice since it's cheap per song, but the selection, though huge, misses out one some less mainstream, more niche genres. eMusic seems to fill in the missing areas pretty well (although still not enough psychedelic trance) and provides DRM-free tunes. This company could go quite far.

    For most consumers, though, I think the price-per-song versus a monthly price could still be the deciding factor.
  • by mekkab ( 133181 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:18PM (#10322342) Homepage Journal
    I had the "Platinum" membership- and to tell you the truth despite my very non-mainstream tastes, they didn't have a whole lot that I liked. Also, I hated how their electronic music was organized (there was little-to-no Drum and Bass/Jungle in the Drum and Bass/Jungle section!) Additionally, a 30 second sample (taken from the first 30 seconds!) of a 10 minute electronic music track (that takes 2 minutes to build up anywhere) is a use-less way to "try before you buy."

    Additionally, there are too many Live recordings (read: poor sounding recordings). For example, they have a bunch of The Selecter tracks, but they're all live. Sorry, I want to studio versions.

    I hope its useful for you. But I paid my money, downloaded some good tracks, a bunch of bad tracks, and walked away.
    • I've noticed all the people who complain on here about them are electronic fans...

      I honestly havent used them myself, but browsing their catalog, they do have a VERY nice selection of Punk music (my genre of choice), and I will probably sign up for the trial at least when I get home tonight. They have a lot of non-mainstream stuff, they just cant cover every possible genre of non-mainstream completely.
    • I cancelled my account with them too. Their linux client didn't work more often than not (It would continuously time out connections). Their downloads are dependent on this client, so I had no choice but to drop the service.
    • You should check out BeatPort.com [beatport.com]. New releases aer encoded at 320 kbps, and previews are a full 2 minutes long.

      If you're not into "uhn-tss uhn-tss uhn-tss" there's not much there for you, but it's great for club music.
  • I cannot search their collection without first registering (free albeit). Why should I register without knowing what they have first? Sorry, I am not a potential customer.
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:18PM (#10322344)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • CD quality is 1411 kbps. Certainly 192 is higher than the commonly seen 128, but at less than 14% of CD quality I wouldn't call it "near" CD quality. 320 kbps, which is the highest my chosen ripping software will go, is still roughly 1/4 CD quality.
    • You're correlating quality with bitrate, whereas the submitter seems to be talking about perception. I think the latter is a more appropriate, albeit somewhat vague, measure.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      CD quality is 1411 kbps. Certainly 192 is higher than the commonly seen 128, but at less than 14% of CD quality I wouldn't call it "near" CD quality. 320 kbps, which is the highest my chosen ripping software will go, is still roughly 1/4 CD quality.
      320kbps vs cd qualtiy and it is nearly impossible to tell the difference, even on really good speakers. Any difference you can tell will not be 75% difference between the actual source.
    • Some people interpret 128 to be CD quality. You can't argue with them, as that's their opinion, and if they can justify purchasing music of such low bitrate, then so be it. I can't tell the difference between 320 and 1440, so that's the bitrate that I encode everything with. Others can. It's all a matter of opinion: there is no right or wrong.

    • I guess you know nothing about music format quality. It's not the kbps that matter. Flac (Free Lossless Audio Codec) plays the exact same bits of a CD. That's why it's called lossless! And, it will give you 700 kBps. Quality is measured with very expensive equipment, not kBps. Mp3 is a lossy codec, meaning it looses quality when encoding.
    • by brxndxn ( 461473 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:47PM (#10322709)
      I encode all my CDs in 2822 kbps mp3s, thus exactly doubling the quality of the original CD.
    • Urr.. yes.. 1411 Kbps UNCOMPRESSED
      You are aware of compression, aren't you? y'know.. that whole MP3 thing? I know it's lossy, but it would be rather pointless if MP3 at 14% the bitrate was 14% the quality of uncompressed - you might as well just drop the uncompressed bitrate.

      IMO MP3 at 128 is listenable, but a bit on the rough side, and if I was paying for MP3s I'd want them to be at least 160
    • by dasmegabyte ( 267018 ) <das@OHNOWHATSTHISdasmegabyte.org> on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:36PM (#10323345) Homepage Journal
      What you're talking about is bit quantity. CDs use 1411 kilobits to image a given data sample...44000 packets of two 16 bit values per second.

      This is not the same as quality. Quality in music is the amount of discrete dynamic information recorded within a sample. Believe it or not, storing an accurate representation of the data at a given sample rate and bit strength is not necessarily the best way to preserve quality. It's certainly not the most efficient. With a 1411 kilobits, psychoacoustically compressed sample, you could easily have a much higher bit strength or sample rate with more discrete dynamics than even the CD. Shit, even lossless compression could get double the quality or more at 1411 kilobits than a CD can.

      That number is mostly meaningless for this reason. So is the term "CD Quality." I've seen it used for 192 kbit MP3, 128 kbit AAC, 64 kbit WMA...fact of the matter is, "CD Quality" is whatever you perceive it to be. I happen to really like AAC at 128 and higher bitrates, it preserves the precision I expect when encoding a rhythm section without creating shimmering or tiering. It's great for rock and hip hop. And that's all that matters.
  • their selection is still small. the unreleased and worst of all your favorite artists (plus those annoying interview discs), and peole you haven't heard of yet (some of which, trust me, you're better off without experiencing.)

    I got my membership, one month free when I bought my neuros [neurosaudio.com] in March of '04. I just recently canceled it, because I felt I wasn't getting $9.99 out of the service per month. Canceling was a breeze though, not like the usual - find your reg id that was sent to you months ago, blah
  • another option (Score:2, Interesting)

    is MP3 Search [mp3search.ru]. They sell tracks for $0.10 and no DRM either. Worried about giving your credit card to them? That's why I use a Virtual Account Number [citibank.com] instead.
  • 192 VBR Good enough? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by espressojim ( 224775 ) <eris@NOsPam.tarogue.net> on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:21PM (#10322376)
    I encode at 256 or 320 VBR.

    No, no, I'm lying. I encode with ogg, set at quality 6. That's not bad, but it still isn't CD quality.

    If you have a *good* stereo (no, your computer speakers, or a headphone pluged into your soundcard does not count), you'll hear artifacts if you actually have the real source. In addition, mp3's at moderate quality always sound "flat" to me.

    I'll wait until someone offers lossless quality downloads. Until then, I'm far better off buying used CD's...at $3-$5 a CD, it's a far better value.
  • I still remember (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LetterJ ( 3524 ) <j@wynia.org> on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:21PM (#10322378) Homepage
    When Emusic.com had unlimited MP3's for something like $14.99 a month and I was a subscriber for a couple of years. Then they "relaunched" with monthly limits and I jumped ship. I was willing to try new music when there wasn't a limit, but as soon as there was a ceiling, I stopped experimenting with the music in their catalog and dropped the service.

    Now, they're "relaunching" again with what looks like a smaller catalog, the same monthly restrictions, etc. I'm trying to see how this is better. Most likely an attempt to appear as a "new" alternative to iTunes, et al when in fact they've been there all along and are actually on a downward spiral.
    • Same here (Score:3, Interesting)

      by YrWrstNtmr ( 564987 )
      Jumped ship at the same time. 40 tracks/month isn't enough to experiment with, especially considering their 'unusual' catalog.

      I did, however, get a whole bunch of George Carlin, T. Monk, and other collections before I jumped. That same stuff would take a year or two at 40 tracks/month.

    • Re:I still remember (Score:3, Interesting)

      by BeBoxer ( 14448 )
      Yep, I was an old subscriber too. My usual way of using the service was to forget about it for a month or two, and then binge for a couple of days and download a few dozen albums. Often times I would download bands I had never heard, never heard of, and really had no idea if I would like them. I'd download stuff just because the name of the band/album was cool. Or it was on the same label as something else I liked. Some of the stuff I ended up really liking. Other stuff I never even bothered to keep. But th
  • Fixed client? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:22PM (#10322394) Journal
    Have they fixed their linux client? In the glory days of emusic, when downloads were unlimited, the client was compiled against some weird library that only red hat and mandrake had. They provided the library and a wrapper script for the rest of us, but I never could get it to work quite right. It would load, but couldn't fetch anything without a proxy server. It wasn't all that much fun.

    If they've fixed the client I'm willing to give emusic another try. The selection is good enough that it's worth $.25 a track, and obscure enough that you're not likely to find it cheaper anywhere else.
  • What Relaunch? (Score:5, Informative)

    by mmmmmhotpants ( 800341 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:22PM (#10322395)
    I think this anonymous post was an advert.

    Emusic used to be $9.99 per month and unlimited downloads, over a year ago. It was an absolutely amazing service and had me thinking that the world of digital music could be great for all parties.

    I was wrong. Last Fall Emusic was bought out by some other company who changed the policy to the $9.99 for 40 or 50 tracks and its been that way for over a year. I cancelled my subscription.

    After the annoucement was made, but before they switched formats, they pulled horrible stunts like not actually allowing you to download unlimited music (per their contract) but putting some aritifical cap on your downloading. They also used to incriminate people for downloading too much even though there was a unlimited deal in the contract. I started to lose respect for them.

    I don't think there has been a relaunch. I think there is an executive at Emusic trying to get more business via Slashdot.

    If you are reading this Emusic executive, bring back the old unlimited format (even at a higher cost)! Honor your contracts!
  • *thumbs up* (Score:5, Informative)

    by incast ( 121639 ) * on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:23PM (#10322398)
    I was an emusic subscriber for the earlier part of this year, and it was pretty darn good. My only complaint is that I ran out of stuff to download. That is why I cancelled my account. I'm a big fan of indie music, but I found that there wasn't quite enough to keep me going. And new releases don't show up very quickly.

    But, the revenue sharing program does give 50% to labels/artists, so I found that if I did have extra credits in a month, I would download albums that I had once (illegally) downloaded. This made me feel better about myself.

    I lasted for about 9 months on the old emusic, and it was $100 well spent.
  • No thanks (Score:4, Informative)

    by peeping_Thomist ( 66678 ) * on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:23PM (#10322399)
    I was an Emusic subscriber, but they kept jerking around the users. They continually changed the terms of the service. And their support for Linux was pathetic/nonexistent. What confidence can you have that the service you subscribe to is the service you'll eventually get? They've changed horses in midstream several times in the past; why should I think they aren't going to jerk me around again? Has there been a change of management? That's the only thing that would make me think about going back.
  • Relaunch? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by boarder ( 41071 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:25PM (#10322428) Homepage
    Ummm, this doesn't sound all that different from their last Re-launch. I was a subscriber when they were $9.99/month for unlimited downloads, and let me tell you how much I loved that (and how much stuff I downloaded). I am not a fan of this new model, but that might be because I already downloaded 8 gigs off of them for about $50.

    Their selection is a combo of new, indie artists and great old jazz artists. There is a lot of techno, too. If you are into jazz or techno, or just like listening to interesting indie bands it is worth it.

    This story, though, doesn't sound like anything more than a PR dump on the /. crowd, but I never looked too closely at their third incarnation (the flat monthly fee was their second). This new launch might be different, but it sounds a lot like the last one.
  • Allofmp3.com (Score:5, Informative)

    by Xerotope ( 777662 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:25PM (#10322430)
    The poster has forgotten my favorite quasi-legal russian music service, http://www.allofmp3.com/ [allofmp3.com]

    They have no DRM what so ever, so it's great for you Linux users. Also, it's based in Russia, so it lends itself to those classic Slashdot "In Soviet Russia..." jokes. (In Soviet Russia, Music DRM You!", sorry, the lamest I could come up with)

    It also has the most complete catalog (including Beatles), is priced right at $0.01 US per megabyte, and has a multitude of on-the-fly encoding options, including ogg Vorbis, Flac and mp3 up to 384 kbps. (however, I think FLAC and other "premium" encodes runs you $0.05 US per megabyte).

    Suposedly it's perfectly legal under Russian copyright law, as long as they compensate the artist directly. Perhaps it's just paying for illegal music downloads that you could otherwise get off Kazaa.
    • Re:Allofmp3.com (Score:5, Informative)

      by prostoalex ( 308614 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:27PM (#10322469) Homepage Journal
      How Russian music licensing works [moskalyuk.com].

      Compulsory licensing, so it's legal as far as they care. It's not really legal to distribute that music outside of Russia though.
    • I second this. Allofmp3.com rocks. I invested $15 when I first heard of it a month ago and have yet to use more than $5 of that. Game soundtracks, pop music, movie soundtracks, classical, all in OGG. It's great.

      Don't bother using their web interface to download. Clicking to download sucks. Just grab their Allofmp3 Explorer program, it automatically downloads everything that is on your download list on the website.
  • by bluelarva ( 185170 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:25PM (#10322434)
    You might be interested in http://magnatune.com/ [magnatune.com] as well. It's also DRM free and half the money goes directly to the artist. Also there is no subscription fee.
  • I understand they are more indy, but I tried a few artists I have listened to today on my iPod. Here is what I found on eMusic:

    Metallica: 0 Music Albums

    Foo Fighters: 0 Music Albums

    Franz Ferdinand: 0 Music Albums

    Modest Mouse: 0 Music Albums

    Kid Rock: 0 Music Albums

    Bare Naked Ladies: 0 Music Albums

  • 4) Subscription rate is 9.99/month for 40 tracks. That is $0.25 a track. Much cheaper than everywhere else. It's near my pricepoint.

    ...of course, it's a bit steep for those of us who only download one or two songs a month, if that.

    I guess I'll just need to labor on under the oppressive yoke of iTunes' Draconian Rights Mangle-ment (get it? DRM! Hyuk!)

  • Emusic is great. I was a subscriber back when it was all-you-can-it and got a lot of good music. Now, when I want some more songs, I sign-up for a month or two to get the what I want, so it's closer to per song pricing model.

    A few recommendations:

    • Pop/Rock: CCR (Most popular mainstream artist.)
    • Folk: Black Twig Pickers ("period instruments" recorded on front porches and sitting rooms.
    • Bluegrass: Blue Highway and Doug Dillard
    • Children: Ralph's World (Best children's music anywhere and even adults w
  • by Iowaguy ( 621828 )
    Wow, that is a great world occupied by some if 0.25 is near the price point for song. For the rest of us, we tend to pay 15 dollars for a cd, of about 10 songs, which is a $1.50 per song give or take. At a quarter a song,that is $2.50 cents for a cd, which means the editor basically wants his music for free.

    It is ok to dream people, but honestly, shouldn't realistic expectations be part of the equation some where. The current offerings are about 1 dollar per song, or about $10 dollars for a cd, which is
  • Bleep (Score:5, Informative)

    by vitaflo ( 20507 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @03:30PM (#10322509) Homepage
    This is the first online music store that I will seriously consider. (and actually the first that I _can_ consider since I'm a linux user.

    That's not entirely true. You can buy from Bleep.com [bleep.com], and it's basically the same thing. Non-DRM 192kps MP3s. You just have to like their selection (mostly electronic music on Warp Records). It's been up for a while now, and you pay per song (or album), not a monthly fee (which I prefer).
  • How the hell am I supposed to download anything from them, when I can't even load the registration page in less than 60 seconds.
  • I went into their search box (that I found through somebody else's post here) and looked up whether they carried the first ten bands that popped into my head. YMMV:

    Doors: no
    Boston: only their last album
    Rush: no
    Zappa: one obscure collaboration
    Springsteen: no
    Allman Bros: no
    Beach Boys: one obscure CD
    Nirvana: no
    Guns and Roses: no
    Jefferson airplane: no

    All in all, this is definitely not a site catering to mainstream rock tastes. Maybe that's why they don't allow searching of their catalog before sig

  • ALB [audiolunchbox.com] has been brought up before. It's more expensive, but you only buy what you download. All indie, no RIAA. I buy from them religiously and love their selection.
  • pricepoint

    Another infection on the English vocabulary. I love it when people criticize "utility cover" as double-speak, then are the same people who fall for marketing droid words like this one. Everytime I hear 'pricepoint' I envision some slacker student waking up in the middle of a economics lecture, hearing only that word then writing it down. A couple of years out of Cardinal-Direction State U., the same person wakes up in the middle of team meeting and blurts this word perfunctorially. The next thin
  • I used to download all sorts of songs off mp3.com for free. Ya, they were only 128kbps non-vbr, but that was better than the crappy Xing encoding that was all over Napster at the time. The only thing bad about mp3.com is that I had to sort through all the shit. Finding a good song was like finding your wife's diamond ring that the dog ate.. There were a lot of good songs, though.

    Now, we have the same thing and it's only $9.99 as opposed to free. Wonderful. Is it just me or does it seem like the Internet is
    • Is it just me or does it seem like the Internet is trying to charge us for things we used to get for free?

      Yeah...I remember the good ole days. Remember going to the binary bboards and "downloading" the pictures. Then I finally got UUEncode and could download the ~really big~ pictures. So you grab "babe_pt1", "babe_pt2", and "babe_pt3", merge them as you get ready to see some hottie and then realize you just wasted all that time putting together a picture of someone's pet pig. Such innocent days...and f
  • by The Fanta Menace ( 607612 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:02PM (#10322902) Homepage

    ...when you buy digital music such as this, what proof do you have that you really own it?

    I've got a large collection of music in mp3 and ogg formats on my laptop, ripped from my CD collection. I've often been worried about going through international customs at airports and having some over-zealous security nut decide to search the contents of my hard disk drive and then fast-track me to death row for DMCA infringement.

    Now, at least with my mp3 collection, I can point to all of my CDs (well, at home) as proof that I own them. But if I were to buy mp3 files from emusic, what proof do I get that I really own them? Are emusic keeping records of all purchases and will they be willing to provide

  • by DdJ ( 10790 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:17PM (#10323113) Homepage Journal
    I use Audio Lunchbox [audiolunchbox.com], which lets you download in both 192kbit MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. I've also poked at Bleep [warprecords.com], which currently supports MP3 and is thinking about FLAC.

    Both of these are DRM-free and will give you files that work on Linux (or BeOS or PalmOS or an Amiga or a Newton or whatever).
  • audiolunchbox.com (Score:4, Informative)

    by thryllkill ( 52874 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @04:31PM (#10323282) Homepage Journal
    no way affiliated with audiolunchbox.com, unless you consider rabid fan to be an affiliation.

    --DRM free
    --mp3s and ogg vorbis encoding (most tracks can be downloaded as ogg, there are a few that are only mp3s I think)
    --independent music
    --similar price scheme as iTMS
    --bigger catalogue than emusic (in fact, most of the good stuff from emusic's glory days is on audiolunchbox.com)
    --did I mention the no DRM
  • Audio Lunchbox.... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Sunnan ( 466558 ) <sunnan@handgranat.org> on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @05:34PM (#10324039) Homepage Journal
    ...sells unencumbered oggs and mp3:s, both around 192 kbps, your choice to download both or either. (I usually just go for the vorbis.)

    I hate plugging stuff but it's a really small company, they don't seem to do much advertising, and, first and foremost, noone seems to have heard of them, and they deserve better than that. They've been great to me and they have stuff that's often hard to find on p2p.
  • Thanks, but no (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Shihar ( 153932 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2004 @11:07PM (#10326197)
    Emusic's call to fame was unlimited downloads at a flat rate. For me, it was a simple service. All the music I want, don't ponder if a band is good or not, get it and listen to it. They would have continued to get my dollar every month just like netflicks does. Then Emusic put a low cap on the number of bands you can buy. Basically, they decided to charge $0.25 a song... which made the way I enjoyed listening to music worthless.

    Look, I am not a music fanatic. I don't ponder laboriously over which CDs to buy. I don't read reviews, and for the most part I put absolutely zero effort into sifting the shit away from the worthwhile stuff. I treat music exactly like TV. I don't have favorite TV shows, I simply sit down on occasion and watch whatever happens to be on. I never sit down for a regular show. The only regular shows that I sit down for are the ones I get from Netflicks.com that I watch at my own leisure. To put it bluntly, there is more then enough entertainment out there that I don't want to waste my busy day having to look for it or sift out the shit from the worthwhile stuff.

    If the Internet used the stupid pricing schemes that the music industry uses, that is to say that you have to pay open a webpage instead of a flat rate regardless of how many webpages you open, I wouldn't use the Internet.

    Until someone uses a less asinine pricing scheme, I have all but given up on music. At best I go on the occasional downloading spree in a P2P. I am more then happy to shell out a pile of money each month for a service that simply gives me a massive bank of music to brows at my leisure. Until someone responds to what the market obviously wants, I will just spend my money on other media. There is a reason why Netflicks gets my dollar and Blockbuster doesn't any more.

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