William Shatner to Star in New Reality TV Series 271
Gildor writes "The small town of Riverside, Iowa has long billed itself as the birthplace of James T. Kirk. So they were thrilled when William Shatner came there to film a Star Trek prequel about the early life of Kirk. Except there was no movie. After about 9 days, Shatner announced they were actually filming a reality TV mini-series."
Too much reality tv (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Too much reality tv (Score:5, Funny)
When people stop watching them? (Score:5, Insightful)
However, the profit margins on a reality TV show are MUCH higher. They don't have to pay expensive actors, they don't have to build or maintain sets, they don't need to hire extras from the screen actors guild, etc. They can even usually do product placements *on* the shows to make more money.
Then you have shows like American Idol - not only is the show cheap, but afterwards, they have an artist that is guaranteed to sell at least a few records - and they don't have to spend any money promoting them!
The marketers that convinced the masses to watch these shows are pure genius. And the networks are laughing all the way to the bank.
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:5, Funny)
I agree totally with this statement.
I really miss the quality TV programming we had about five years ago, it was so much more enriching and educational.
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:2)
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:4, Insightful)
But crying about peoples bad taste, and trying to tell others not to watch it because YOU don't watch it is lame and selfish.
I personally don't watch much reality shows because I think they are stupid. So I watch other things on TV. Very simple, I just change the channel.
Everyone has different taste, the networks try to make money by showing stuff the appeals to some majority of people ('cept niche channels, like food, so on). They cannot please everyone all the time. hell, they can't please most people most the time. That's why there is feedback and Nelson ratings and so on.
So it's very simple, you don't like a show, don't watch it, complain to the network hosting the show, complain to the company producing the show.
But DO NOT try to blame people for watching the show. People are allowed to watch what they want, even if you do NOT like it. I know it hurts to hear that the world does no evolve around you, but it's true. I'm sorry.
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:3, Insightful)
It just so happens that TV networks had quite a bi
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:5, Funny)
For your typo: " Ha -ha!"
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:2)
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:4, Insightful)
You are right, but one thing I would add is that the networks are really sealing their own doom by moving to reality TV. They're going after the ratings and profit right now without creating new shows that could potentially live forever in syndication-- and that, along with DVDs, merchandising and whatever on-demand system may evolve in the future, is where the real profit is... As well as the love of the viewers.
Re:When people stop watching them? (Score:3, Insightful)
My wife was watching one of them for a while. I don't know which one it was (or care) but when she asked me why I would leave the room when she turned it on I asked her if she liked all of the new reality shows that were coming out. The answer was "Well, no but this o
Re:Too much reality tv (Score:5, Funny)
No, it's not that TJ Hooker hung up his gun and became a lawyer either...though that might be interesting.
Shatner won an Emmy last year...yeah, hard to belive. The Emmy's are still kind of sort of legit (please insert indignation about what show you loved that didn't get nominated) but at least they're not like the "Throw-in-every-catagory
there-is-so-everyone-ge
Ok, I have NO idea how I drove the topic right into a ditch...what were we talking about again?
Re:Too much reality tv (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah. Better get all those millions of people who enjoy reality tv to write in and tell the networks to stop broadcasting what they want to watch. dammit.
Re:Too much reality tv (Score:2)
When it stops being cheap. (Score:3, Insightful)
We've been told America Loves Reality TV when the Reality is that the networks LOVE it because it's PURE PROFIT.
Re:When it stops being cheap. (Score:3, Insightful)
it wouldn't be profit unless people would be watching it.
people WANT to watch realityshit.. sad truth.
Re:When it stops being cheap. (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, I think more people than not want to watch something, they don't really care what it is. I know people who just flip through the channels trying to find something worth watching. They're not in front of the TV because there's a show they want to watch -- they're there because it's their default mode of existence, and they try to find a show they can tolerate watching. I suspect a fair percentage of the "reality" TV watchers are the same: they're watching it because it's what's on, not because it's anything they would watch if there was something better competing with it. The creators make it because it's cheap and easy, so it's what's on. The viewers are making a choice between "reality" TV and no TV, not "reality" TV and something else worth watching.
Re:When it stops being cheap. (Score:3, Insightful)
remember, shitloads of people watch springer as well.. when they could watch something better.
Re:When it stops being cheap. (Score:3, Insightful)
If there were only two networks and they both showed blank screens with the sound of fingernails scratching down a chalkboard then the one that was the least grating would probably get an Emmy and get ratings nearly equal to what your average episode of "The Bachelor" pulls.
Re:Too much reality tv (Score:2)
Answer: When it stops making money. Networks don't make shows to entertain us...they make shows that make money for them.
The sad thing is, even those that hate this kind of programming will likely still watch it out of curiosity...which keeps the ratings up.
Re:Too much reality tv (Score:3, Funny)
They'll stop shoving this filth... (Score:2)
Re:Too much reality tv (Score:2)
When the viewers realize that they are not the customers of the networks, they are the products of the networks to be sold to the advertisers. Take a look back at Rusty's article on kuro5hin [kuro5hin.org] from 2002.
Re:Redundant? (Score:2, Insightful)
Because *every* article has a first post.
Obligatory (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Obligatory (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Obligatory (Score:4, Funny)
(yeah I agree with you but it was just too tempting)
Star... Wars? (Score:2, Funny)
I...Can't...Wait... (Score:2)
Re:I...Can't...Wait... (Score:2, Insightful)
I... cannot... wait... to see... this... new show.
He doesn't break at every single word. It's more like 1 syllable, 2 syllable, 1 syllable, 2 syllable...
Re:I...Can't...Wait... (Score:2, Funny)
You have been voted off the Big Brother starship, please collect your belongings and beam down to the surface immediately.
Kirk: DEVINNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Born in Iowa? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Born in Iowa? (Score:5, Informative)
Jeez, geeks these days just aren't what they used to be...
Re:Born in Iowa? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Grammar Nazi (Score:2)
Well, you see Star Trek was a STORY written in the past and NOT REAL, therefore he won't actually be born.
Re:Born in Iowa? (Score:2)
Re:Born in Iowa? (Score:2)
for the very, very lazy:
The small town of Riverside, Iowa has long billed itself as the birthplace of James T. Kirk. So they were thrilled when William Shatner came there to film a Star Trek prequel about the early life of Kirk.
reality? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:reality? (Score:2)
shitener (Score:5, Insightful)
I wonder where the guy is who's sitting around thinking "you know what our fall lineup needs? another reality show!"
Re:shitener (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:shitener (Score:5, Interesting)
predicting the future (Score:5, Funny)
A Space / Beach setting with the Olsen twins thrown in as well... with a reality twist maybe ?
Money baby... money.
Yeah, and merge it with Knight Rider too (Score:5, Funny)
cLive
Sounds like a good thing all around. (Score:5, Interesting)
They also spent $1,000,000 to make the show, much of that going into the towns economy. What would be REALLY cool was if the reality show went over well and Shatner decided to actually make the movie into a real movie. That could be pretty cool, and it would already have tons of publicity and marketing started for it.
Re:Sounds like a good thing all around. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Sounds like a good thing all around. (Score:3, Interesting)
This guy's turning into a serial con artist creating scripted annoying situations to get the reactions on tape. Now, that's a concept as old as TV itself in the form of Candid Camera... but Candid Camera's stunts alway
People are not merely means (Score:5, Insightful)
I see this happening more and more, and it's starting to get to me. People aren't here for your entertainment. Real people aren't the Sims, for Pete's sake. They don't go about their lives just to relieve the tedium of yours. It's a bad thing to treat people as if they were just means to be used in achieving your ends, whether that's something cartoony grand or as mundane as filling half an hour of that gaping void that is your life.
People are not means only.
I don't care that they got "genuine reactions" and "true feeling" and all that other crap that producers of shows like this believe justify their deceptions. In the end, a bunch of Hollywood types decided that small town people can be easily duped for the entertainment of a jaded national audience.
And for all those who asked, back when the reality craze fist hit, what harm Survivor etc. could do... well, here we are. These people didn't volunteer for the reality show; they were impressed into service, kidnapped.
Re:People are not merely means (Score:4, Interesting)
And what if the movie ends up being made? It might if things go right.
Think about a bit bigger picture. And actually, if your religious, we're here for God's entertainment.
One person got paid $5,000 for nine days. The town made $100,000. In two weeks. Not bad. Let's just ssee how it plays out.
Re:People are not merely means (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, being made fools of can make people famous in todays entertainment. Briefly. Very briefly. Yay.
I'll pass, thank you.
Does anyone seriously think a movie will come out of this? Come on...
SB
Re:People are not merely means (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not about the money. It's about the license taken by the producers. Those people weren't paid for their reactions on a reality show. They were paid for help in producing a movie. If they had known the ultimate destination of the footage, they might have been OK with it. Or they might have demanded more money. Or they might have chosen not to participate. The point is, they were denied that choice. In essence a fraud was perpetrated on them.
(And don't give me any of those "people play pranks on their friends all the time" lines. These people weren't friends; they were business associates. It matters.)
Re:People are not merely means (Score:4, Interesting)
There's only 930 people in the town. Now their famous.
Yes - they are famous for being duped. It remains to be seen, but they may yet become famous for being people that the nation laughs at. Fame isn't always a good thing. Fame isn't for everyone. Fame usually doesn't live up to the expectations of those that want it.
Re:Sounds like a good thing all around. (Score:2, Insightful)
that money makes everything better. Lie to
people, use them, then throw your wallet at them.
Early life of Kirk? (Score:5, Insightful)
I guess it would make sense for Shatner to have a cameo in whatever Trek show they might make about Kirk, but he won't be playing Kirk in any prequels :)
But reality TV? Blech. I'd rather have a 73 old old Shatner trying to play a 30 year old Kirk :)
Re:Early life of Kirk? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Early life of Kirk? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Early life of Kirk? (Score:2)
So there's always a chance of another kirk sitting in the ribbon,clone, or even a transporter twin.
Re:No no no (Score:2)
(or something similar that they could pull out of their ass)
Re:Early life of Kirk? (Score:2)
or if he get's sent to the future, and get's to play with a child version of himself on the holodeck.
Re:Early life of Kirk? (Score:2)
or if he get's sent to the future, and get's to play with a child version of himself on the holodeck.
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this being star trek both are equally as possible!
Re:Early life of Kirk? (Score:2)
It mau have been worse... (Score:4, Funny)
How about this for a reality series? (Score:2, Funny)
Then, just to make it interesting you could, in the same way they do for MUDs, allocate points to internet participants who (via videoconferencing) have the most convincing characters, and then have them participate with great
Re:Better Idea (Score:2)
From the article... (Score:3, Funny)
Good thing they didn't try to make him act.
Obligatory Futurama quote (Score:2)
Re:Obligatory Futurama quote (Score:2)
More real than Startrek? (Score:2)
He's also been recording music (Score:2)
http://www.nme.com/features/110018
Re:He's also been recording music (Score:2)
Fraud in the name of Television (Score:5, Interesting)
MTV Networks seems to be making a habit of this. MTV itself fooled a half dozen college students who thought they were interning on a music video project into being the stars of Faking the Video [mtv.com]. And let's not forget TNN/SpikeTV's project called The Joe Schmo Show [spiketv.com].
There oughta be a law against these things... because apparently basic fraud hasn't caught up to when fraud is being done in the name of TV.
Re:Fraud in the name of Television (Score:5, Interesting)
Many years ago, the first "reality TV show", "Candid Camera", actually did get busted. They were operating in a store, and when a customer put his hat on the counter (this was a long time ago), they tried to sell the hat back to him. During the dispute with the customer, a cop walked in. Listened to the participants. Said, to the Candid Camera guy, "That's not a new hat. You're under arrest". The Candid Camera people came out from hiding, showed the camera, and said they were filming a TV show. The cop told them "It doesn't matter. You tried to steal the guy's hat. You're still under arrest", called for backup, and sent the whole crew to the lockup.
This was back when New York City's official policy on filming was "This city is too busy to make way for film crews". Now it's "Free permits, free locations, free police assistance". And tax credits.
Re:Fraud in the name of Television - Crossballs (Score:2)
Yeah, that would be me
Anyways. They never ran my episode
[/blows rassberries towards NYC and the Viacom corporate office:ON]
Acting skills.... (Score:2)
William Shatner
I got canned
really fast by priceline..
dot com
Now I am
an overrated washed up actor
Whose only claim to fame is
acting in Esperanto and
being the first white man
to admit to kissing a black chick
Now I can be me
Not competing with
that damn vulcan nemoy.
No, THIS is William Shatner's Low-Point (Score:5, Informative)
No, THIS [imdb.com] is his low-point, William Shatner's Spplat Attack, a DVD of a Star Trek-themed day of paintball. A friend bought this and brought it over one night.
It was painful.
Very painful.
How painful was it? There was actually a moment when I wished I was watching Star Trek V instead.
Kirkacatecas (Score:2, Interesting)
Offtopic, but... (Score:3, Informative)
I'm still looking for a copy of Transformed Man if anyone knows where to get one.....
Re:Offtopic, but... (Score:2)
Shatner can't do reality (Score:2)
Have you heard him freak out about his hairpiece?
If anyone can find a link to the radio interview I am referring to, please post it here.
Dammit (Score:2)
I agree with you,... (Score:2)
Why lie? (Score:2)
Oh, wait. That's not reality TV. That's a documentary.
Since noone has done it... (Score:2, Funny)
Peter: Aaaargh!
William: My God! Look out!
The car skids to a stop, but knocks them both down. Meg and Lois get out.
Meg: Oh, my God. I hit William Shatner.
William: Light... growing... dimmer... can't... breathe. Beam me up, God.
He lays flat on his back, his shirt pops open and his gut pops out. Ensign Ricky and a crowd of people stand watching.
Ensign: Whoo.
Sample dialogue (Score:4, Funny)
Heart opening (Score:2)
There's the problem right there. Never, ever open your heart to TV executives!!
Hey, I SAW him in Iowa (Score:4, Informative)
Set Phasers to 'Ridicule' (Score:3, Interesting)
I know they could portray them as decent folk as Rev. Rich Adam hopes, but these shows don't get viewership off folks being good and decent. They get it by putting people in tight spots and making em look like fools. Oh hey, Guess who didn't attend James Doohan's (suffering from Parkinson's disease, diabetes, lung fibrosis and Alzheimer's disease) annointement to the Hollywood Walk of Fame? Probably too busy getting a great hotel rate.
Wow (Score:3, Funny)
I think I'll go weep for the fate of the world now.
Re:it went something like this (Score:2)
Re:it went something like this (Score:2)
Re:A new low for Shatner (Score:3, Insightful)
I could barely believe it when one came on this evening..
Re:A new low for Shatner (Score:2, Interesting)
Don't forget, Mr. Kelly had a role in "Night of the Lepus" - a film about mutated giant Bunny Rabbits!!
DeForest was obviously a little desparate for work after the original series.
Re:So? (Score:2)
Re:Shatner Not from Montreal? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:cross fingers... (Score:2)
You think that's bad? How about this? Regis [regiscd.com] sings!
Re:Heard this a few days back (Score:2)
The small town of Riverside, Iowa has long billed itself as the birthplace of James T. Kirk.
(emphasis added)