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Starting A Digital Art Program With Open Source 61

An anonymous reader writes "We are running mainly Windows on our HS campus with the exception of Macs in the visual arts department, and are just beginning to get into the process of teaching using computers in the area of art. What recommendations do you have for starting a program? I am looking fo apps that will be able to be used on both our Macs and on our PCs in the Library etc., and specifically I am looking for a program (curriculum, not software) for teaching digital art concepts using the FOSS tools that are out there. I am aware of Gimp, Blender, and Inkscape, but have not seen any curriculum per se. Any help?"
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Starting A Digital Art Program With Open Source

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  • by mintrepublic ( 821683 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2004 @10:52PM (#10572306)
    If this kind of thing catches on, i.e. open-source OSes and other software, it could mean huge savings for schools. This might free up funds for like a shop class for geeks, where students learn how to assemble computer hardware, solder things, and resolve hardware conflicts.
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      • by Ogerman ( 136333 ) on Friday October 22, 2004 @10:59AM (#10598823)
        F/OSS software is generally software designed by geeks for use by geeks. I've seen a LOT of great sutff come out of it, but almost always, the person on the other end has been a techie first and foremost and an artist second.

        Hah! That's a joke. It takes just as much time to learn Photoshop and Lightwave as it does to learn Gimp and Blender. People sometimes scoff at the new generation of F/OSS graphics software because it's not what they're used to. But I find it just as difficult to use Photoshop after years of using Gimp, so I can understand where they're coming from. The key is educating the next generation on F/OSS tools from the beginning so that we can finally move away from the rip-off proprietary standbys. At the rate that Gimp and Blender are improving, there will soon be no valid technical reason why they cannot be used even for the most professional of tasks. As for the UI side of things, it would be an interesting project to develop an alternative Gimp interface designed for current Photoshop users. It's more about familiar layout than anything. In the grand scheme of things, both free and non-free software needs a lot of work to improve in the HCI area..
        • Hah! That's a joke. It takes just as much time to learn Photoshop and Lightwave as it does to learn Gimp and Blender. People sometimes scoff at the new generation of F/OSS graphics software because it's not what they're used to.

          The criticism of clifyt in this thread is very valid.

          From someone who has worked with artists and layout specialists, and who is familiar with everyting from Photoshop, Quark, Illustrator, DreamWeaver on both Windows and Macs, to vim and gimp on Linux (I run Gentoo), let me ass

  • python gimp (Score:4, Informative)

    by Apreche ( 239272 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2004 @11:01PM (#10572341) Homepage Journal
    I know that python is pretty well integrated into the gimp. It should not be very difficult to make some sort of integrated tutorial type stuff.
  • by 3) profit!!! ( 773340 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2004 @11:18PM (#10572438) Homepage
    If you're doing any pixel art on the Mac, you can use Pixen [opensword.org]. It's doesn't really compare to something like the GIMP for large-scale images (it starts getting slow for images greater than about 300x300, especially if you have multiple layers), but for icons, isometric-style stuff, and other pixelly art, it's the best open source tool for OS X that I know of. (Of course, I'm one of the developers, so I may be a bit biased...)
  • Personally... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by glk572 ( 599902 ) on Wednesday October 20, 2004 @12:06AM (#10572750) Homepage Journal
    I like to approach art education form a goal oriented standpoint. I can speak for learning blender, and the tutorials are pretty good, I would start by walking them through the building a castle tutorial, and then pretty much set them free. Have them come up with a project, I would highly suggest starting with a building, as it is much easier to deal with than modeling living things.

    I for one don't like Gimp, although it is a powerful tool, it lacks some of the most powerful and useful tools available for photoshop. Look into a site license for photoshop it is really not as extravagantly expensive in an educational license as the commercial ones.

    As for a pre-made curriculum, I suspect that you're SOL. It should be pretty easy though to adapt existing self learning tutorials for your students.

    Tutorials are at:
    http://www.blender3d.com/cms/Tutorials.243.0. html

    For learning 2D I would suggest a brief intro to vector drawing, using Illustrator, or my personal preference AutoCad. I come from a technical drawing background and find that AutoCad is my favorite vector drawing program, although it is very-much overkill.

    After vector drawing I would introduce them to photo manipulation, take inspiration from the fark.com photoshop contests. Give the students a photo to manipulate and have them show their work to the class.

    I would suggest that you use the format of assigning work and teaching skills on monday, free work for the middle of the week, and then on friday have the students show their work to the class and discuss their experiences.

    Here at WWU in my department all design majors are required to take a course called "Introduction to Design Communication," this is a basic overview art course that teaches drawing, painting, illustration, and drafting. This was easily my favorite class I have ever taken. It is formated with the professors sharing their design work with the students, and teaching their personal techniques. The goal is to get the students up to speed so that they can begin to develop their own style.

    Just remember that there is not right way to do anything in art. Start by showing the students how you work and let them use that as a launching point.

    I would highly suggest the following Books/Films:
    Technical Drawing by Frederick E. Giesecke et. al.
    Shrek DVD bonus feature on the making of.
    mindfields and all it's great making of info (http://www.artificial3d.com/mindfields/)
    Any textbook on mechanical perspective (can't think of one off the top of my head)
    The Blender book
    and of course the Blender tutorials mentioned earlier.

    Technical Drawing gives a great deal of information on mechanical drawing and is a great foundation of knowledge for the instructor to have. The Shrek DVD bonus features are a great source of inspiration for beginning artists, and also shows the students that even the pros make mistakes. Mechanical perspective is critical to understanding how we perceive depth and should be taught to students as they learn 3D modeling. Mindfields is fabulous as you can see the film and then get an in depth tutorial on exactly how it was made.

    I would have to say that 2d image manipulation is much more intuitive than 3d modeling, and should be taught as a tool to rather than a goal. I would suggest visiting my own website, even though there isn't much there (they now only allow sftp now so I can't upload form dreamweaver (I'm lazy)) it has some stuff that wile time consuming is actually quite easy to do.

    if you're interested in talking about cg art education my aim id is "glk572" and I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.

    So to sum it up teach a foundation of skills that will allow the students to achieve their own goals. Have the students discuss and show their work. Focus on results and not methods.

  • Something I think would make some noise in the computer art world is if you came up with a blending method that doesn't have the gray-out flaw.

    What I mean is, with the current alpha method Photoshop (and nearly all programs) uses, every time you blend two colors at any transparency level, you lose saturation. The colors average each other, which makes them lean toward gray.

    Just as a demonstration: Make a pure blue square (0,0,255), then on a layer above, make a yellow square and put it at 50% opacity.
    • Crap. Just now I realize the subject was more about education. Well, it's good to get the information out anyway. Guess I'll have to go back to making my own program.
    • When you mix blue and yellow paint, or put a blue glass in front of a yellow glass, you get green.

      Mixing pigments works more like componentwise multiplication. In this case you get black. Now try multiplying cyan (which many non-technical people call a shade of "blue") with yellow, and you'll get green.

      • by tverbeek ( 457094 ) on Wednesday October 20, 2004 @05:55PM (#10580922) Homepage
        "When you mix blue and yellow paint, or put a blue glass in front of a yellow glass, you get green."

        Mixing pigments works more like componentwise multiplication. In this case you get black. Now try multiplying cyan (which many non-technical people call a shade of "blue") with yellow, and you'll get green.

        Speaking as someone who has actually done this, I can tell you that when I mix blue paint - even a warm, definitely-not-cyan blue like ultramarine - with cadmium yellow, I get a shade of green. A fairly dull one and a fairly dark one, but still green. If I want black, I mix that ultramarine with an equal quantity of burnt siena (a dull warm orange)... the result is deep, dark, and neutral. But you are sort of right: mixing a cool blue like cyan with yellow will get me a brighter green.

        You're making the mistake of trying to apply the CMYK color scheme (which works fine with transparent inks and dyes) to the pigments in paint, and it simply doesn't work. Paints use a third system of primaries and secondaries, in which the mixing complement of yellow is violet (not blue), the complement of cyan is scarlet (halfway between red and orange) instead of true red, and the complement of magenta is a warm, yellowish green. It's similar to CMYK, but not identical. So what you learned in first grade is still technically correct: in the RYB system, blue + yellow => green.

        • In that case, you probably just need to ditch your Photoshop and get a paint program that specializes in simulation of natural media such as grade-school paint.

    • I'm definitely interested in this topic. Not for any particular reason, I just find it interesting. Its on my list of things I'd like to work on, but will probably never get to.
  • Processing (Score:4, Interesting)

    by FrenZon ( 65408 ) * on Wednesday October 20, 2004 @01:36AM (#10573156) Homepage

    I strongly recommend at least giving them the opportunity to be exposed to processing [processing.org] - I've had the fortune of sitting in on one of the classes at UCLA by one of its creators, Casey Reas, and the students in there (from art courses all over, most of whom had no prior programming experience) were all digging into it like rabbits into a carrot sale. Beautiful to watch.

    Some students won't like it, that's a given with any programming subject, but those that do will thank you endlessly for it.

  • Budding artists don't need to wrestle with poorly constructed software like GIMP, they need skills that can actually EARN MONEY, they need to learn apps with the most acceptance in the field, which means Photoshop/Painter, XPress/InDesign, Illustrator/Freehand, Dreamweaver/GoLive. And since the graphic arts industry is still predominantly Mac, they need Mac skills.
  • Sorry, but (Score:2, Insightful)

    by FLEB ( 312391 )
    I'm going to have to agree with many of the above posters. The area of graphic arts/design is very "industry-standard" based. If you're looking to teach people that will go out into the digital art world, you'll probably need to suck it up and go for the same old package of commercial sofrware, or you'll be doing your students a disservice.

    To agree with another poster, don't base your curriculum around the software, especially with software that isn't big already in the design world. The fundamentals can,
  • Trail blazing (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tverbeek ( 457094 ) on Wednesday October 20, 2004 @07:19AM (#10574147) Homepage
    I wouldn't hold out much hope of finding a curriculum based around Libre software, because what's out there generally isn't very suitable for learning digital art. The GIMP is the granddaddy in this segment, and only just reached the point (with 2.0) where I'd even show it to a creative professional, out of embarassment. GIMP 1.x was practically a poster child for poorly designed, counter-intuitive interfaces. 2.0 is probably OK for newbies to digital painting to explore with, but if you build a good intro class around it, you'll probably be the first.

    I do tech support for an art school, and I also picked up a BFA there, so I have a pretty good sense of the kinds of tools needed to teach digital media effectively. I promote the use of Libre software here as much as anywhere else I've worked, but I have to admit that there's little use for it in the classrooms (except for mainstream officeware like OOo and Firefox). Macromedia's apps and Photoshop Elements aren't Gratis or Libre, but they're fairly inexpensive for schools, and meet the rest of your requirements (e.g. cross platform, curricula) pretty well.

    I'm setting up one of my old Macs for sale to a student, and in trying to "add value" with some free apps they'd actually have use for, the best I could come up with was GIMP (which I'm sure they'll delete and replace with a cracked or educational-licence copy of Photoshop) and WordPress for blogging.

    Libre stuff might be OK if you're just trying to help high school students get their feet wet, but if you're trying to prepare people to do this stuff as professionals, you need to teach them the software the industry uses. Employers don't want someone with digital-paint-program vector-drawing-program experience; they want someone with Photoshop and Illustrator/Freehand experience. (They'll usually settle for Windows users, but they'd rather have someone who knows his way around OS X.) And freelancers are going to want to be proficient in the best tools they can afford, and that's also going to be commercial software.

    I think what you're doing is a great idea, and I don't want to discourage it, but it's definitely going to be an uphill battle. Best of luck, and if you pull it off... please share what you learn from it!

  • I recently developed curriculum for a 3rd year university course titled Digital Media, and while we (team of two) did our best to deal with fundamentals (resolution, file format, etc.), we had to think of

    1. hands-on learning of tools in a reasonable amount of time
    2. students who want to get jobs with these tools
    3. the available training materials outside of the course
    4. the equipment in the lab ...which turned out to mean that we wound up building the whole course around learning Photoshop, After Effects,
  • by Anonymous Coward

    We are running mainly Windows on our HS campus with the exception of Macs in the visual arts department, and are just beginning to get into the process of teaching using computers in the area of art. What recommendations do you have for starting a program?

    This is exactly the wrong way to do things. You should not be looking to buy equipment first and then shoehorn your program onto that. You should be looking to hire a computer-savvy art faculty member first. What he teaches will largely dictate the

  • One of the first things that I noticed is that the poster asks about both 2D drawing/manipulation and 3D modeling. While it's true that both are 3D art, I would highly suggest not lumping these together into the same group. 2D and 3D are are hightly seperate (thought often complementary) skills, and should be learned seperately. I would suggest teaching 2D art first, and then have a second class to do 3D modeling, perhaps with an introduction at the beginning on creating textures and such.
    For 2D artwork
  • by parasew ( 253437 ) on Wednesday October 20, 2004 @05:39PM (#10580773) Homepage Journal
    From my opinion as a student of computer arts/digital arts, the first thing you have to ask yourself is how to include the computer in your artistic work.
    I can recommend the Book "Composing Interactive Music" [mit.edu] from Todd Winkler, as I found it not only interesting for re-thinking how to use Computers in artistic installations, but also how to completely rethink computer interaction.
    Winkler proposes a framework of 5 stages [yorku.ca] which i think can also be adoped for any digital works, not only music.
    The book is inteded for composers working with max/msp, a visual programming language where object boxes can be "patched" together; this style of working shows fast results, as this kind of software is working "realtime", meaning you get constant ouptput of the things you are doing or the parameters you are changing.
    I am working with this kind of "patchable software interfaces" for more than five years now; and this is also teached on the University of Applied Arts in Vienna/Austria, where I am studying.
    If it comes to interaction (sound-visual, sound-dancers, graphics-interface, whatever) in the field of artistic work, these tools such as
    PD Pure Data (windows/mac/linux) [pd.iem.at] - Audio/Video/3D (GEM [gem.iem.at],Framestein [framestein.org]) -opensource-
    Cycling74 max/msp [cycling74.com](windows/mac) - Audio/Video/3D (also see Nato [m9ndfukc.org] and Jitter [cycling74.com]) -free 30days demo-
    Native Instruments Reaktor [nativeinstruments.de] (windows/mac) -commercial, but has education pricing-
    vvvv [meso.net] (win) -free-
    are used from lots of the people around.
    there are hell lots more, you might want to take a look at the audiovisualizers.com tool shack [audiovisualizers.com], or pawfal.org [pawfal.org]for example.

    For some visual examples and also works, you might want to take a look at
    http://www.harvestworks.org/maxreel/ [harvestworks.org]
    http://puredata.info/community/ [puredata.info] (mostly audio)
    talking chair [tompeak.com] (vvvv+hardware)
    http://www.realtimearts.net/ [realtimearts.net]

    or you might also want to take a look at the department of digital art in the university of applied arts/vienna [vis-med.ac.at].
    currently we are a group of people trying to bring opensource and arts together. there are also workshops and lots of projects going on: http://5uper.net [5uper.net]

    for sure there are also "standard" programs teached, which are good for working with business and advertising companies -- but if we are speaking about digital arts, that's going beyond the standard approach of software use. at least for me.
  • www.neisd.net/data/ is where I went to Highschool, they did 2d, 3d computer art as well as many other things, im sure the teachers there would be helpful to you. however they are using comercial software but the ideas will be mostly usable in any software package
  • by sakusha ( 441986 ) on Thursday October 21, 2004 @02:00AM (#10583777)
    After criticising the entire concept of using computers to teach art, I decided to look at the problem from another angle. I pondered what free "software" (like books) would be of actual, practical value to students and their instructors.

    Students need to learn how to draw and paint, the techniques have not changed much since the Renaissance. Not surprisingly, many of the best art instructional materials are long out of copyright, and are freely available. For example, you can feel free to reproduce Leonardo da Vinci's "Lessons on Painting" or Andrea Pozzo's "Perspective in Architecture and Painting" as they both date back to the 17th century.

    You would be surprised at the amount of free instructional materials that art supplies vendors will give you, just for the asking. Of course they have a financial incentive to attract new artists to their products, but hey, an oil painting lesson sheet works the same with Windsor & Newton oil paints as it does with Holbein oil paints.

    Artists tend to learn best by example, by viewing other artists' works. Any computer with a browser might be helpful in sampling artworks, but ultimately, no video display can show the subtle nuances of an artwork sufficiently for a student to understand them. So again, computers won't be much help. A trip to the local museum would be much better.

    Artists are also a good resource. I know many artists who would be glad to talk with students and give their advice, even for free, if someone would just ask them. My university often got internationally famous artists (I mean REALLY famous artists) to come to lecture at my art school, merely by offering them room and board and a relaxing stay at our laid-back campus. This cost the school essentially nothing. I asked my professor who got my favorite painter to come and lecture, how she convinced someone like that to come to our school for basically no money. She said, "well, I ASKED him and he said yes."

    So I hope I've offered a few areas to investigate for free study materials. Every art instructor should already have ideas about what materials are suitable, they wouldn't be much of an artist if they didn't.

    BTW, I should tell you about a book I read way back when I was a newbie art student. I found a book in our university's art library, commissioned by IBM in the 1960s, describing how computers could be applied to the Arts. There wasn't really any such thing as computer graphics as an art media back then, so the book focused on odd applications, the one I remember best was a computer search that could attempt to fit broken fragments of archaeological pieces back together. They managed to even reunite two pieces of pottery from different museums, now the two pieces together were worth far more than the sum of the parts. But I digress.. what really got to me was an extensive statistical survey of art students and professors, the data all crunched on vintage punchcard mainframes. The survey was an attempt to find out what exactly do students LEARN in art school. The statistics were clear, and the conclusion astonishing (to me at least). There were only 2 things that students really learned in Art School:
    1. How to dress like an artist.
    2. How to act like an artist.
    Art students learned this merely by copying the dress and behavior of their teachers. Actual learning of technical skills were so statistically insignificant that they could not be measured. The survey concluded that if you just act like an artist, you will be considered an artist. Perhaps this survey revealed more about the limitations of the minds of IBM statisticians.
    • Darn it, I forgot my best anecdote.

      I studied with Nam June Paik, who surprised me by declaring the World's Greatest Artist's Tool to be the Manhattan Yellow Pages. He said that if you wanted to know something to help you make some artwork, all you had to do was look it up in the Yellow Pages, phone up someone and ask, and they'd tell you everything you needed to know. No matter how obscure a subject it is, there's always some lonely expert out there, just dying to talk to someone about his specialty, if so
    • There were only 2 things that students really learned in Art School:
      1. How to dress like an artist.
      2. How to act like an artist.

      Then I must not have learned anything, because I still dress the same as I did before art school (mostly the very same articles of clothing), and I don't think I act any differently. I'll have to go ask for my money back. {smile}

      The main thing I did learn (which I suspect the folks with narrow black ties, hornrim glasses, and pocket protectors at International Business Machi

      • Precisely.

        In my photography classes, the professors used to talk about "seeing" photos (a term that goes back to Ansel Adams) but they were really talking about the mental process of visualizing the photographic image you wanted to produce.
  • For video editing, you could use LiVES [sourceforge.net]. I am the author of this application, and I am willing to help in any way I can with implementing this as part of your curriculum.
  • create your own. (Score:1, Informative)

    First off, if you are wanting to teach, set aside time when you've learned the program to create some multimedia tutorials. Get camtasia studio and record tutorials, export them to flash. It's better and fast than writing a book with screenshots.

    If you are wanting some linux movies, check out xvidcap.

    It's a great idea to promote and use open source software. Some might say that those skills will have no marketability because the apps are open source and not industry standard. However, when teaching an

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