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How Do You Keep Up with Enterprise-level Tech? 41

A user asks: "I'm curious how the Slashdot gang chooses to keep up with the performance of high-level equipment for servers, routers, loadbalancing, and the like? For PC-type specs it's easy, every guy and his dog has a review website, and magazines stuff themselves in every window. However, the higher-end equipment is far more difficult to find trustworthy analysis of. I'm curious how other people have solved this problem, and what resources they use to keep on top of the game?"
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How Do You Keep Up with Enterprise-level Tech?

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  • Simple (Score:5, Funny)

    by bconway ( 63464 ) * on Friday November 19, 2004 @08:40AM (#10863376) Homepage
    I buy what the vendors tell me to buy. After all, they know what's best, right?
    • Re:Simple (Score:3, Interesting)

      by jaredcat ( 223478 )
      I know that was intended as a joke, but seriously, thats what I end up doing half the time :(.

      If I am buying a $1 million dollar software package from some vendor, and they tell me it absolutely has to run on one of these 1 models of Sun servers (2 of them discontinued models and 1 of them $250k new), who am I to argue? If the software ever doesn't do something it was supposed to do they would always come back with "well its only tested on this particular machine so we can't support you."

      Very frustrating
      • Some may laugh at this... but you are right...

        I once installed an application for a customer where the software "vendor" only supported a particular hardware configuration. They ended up getting 4 complete devices so that they would be able to "quick swap" a component in case the hardware failed... The software was custom written and it was before "open source"; but the customer DID get rights to the source code...

        [1 production machine, 1 testing machine, and 2 "spare parts" machines]

        Any down time on tha
        • 12k?

          That's peanuts.

          Some of the systems we manage cost MILLIONS an hour in downtime, easy.

          It really sucks when you have 48k employees that can't sell anything, can't help customers, and well, really can't do anything.

          That's how you convince manangement to build a complete replica of production as a QA environment.
  • Simple.... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by lanswitch ( 705539 )
    Get a tech job at a major enterprise and let them educate you on the subject. It worked for me...
  • Well, lets see... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Sevn ( 12012 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @08:54AM (#10863445) Homepage Journal
    Depending on the environment you are in, you aren't making significant purchases that often. When you are, it's usually because you've outgrown what you have and can't simply N+1 it anymore. Either that, or it's tied to a brand new product offering. So you do the dance:

    1) What are my competitors using?
    2) Do any of my current vendors have a solution, and it is worth it?
    3) Who is number 1 at the technology I'm interested in, and why?
    4) Am I going to need contractors for initial implementation, or is the talent for this technology in house?
    5) What's training going to be like?

    Then you do a whole lot of research and select vendors(s). You let them come out and do a presentation if that's appropriate. Nine times out of ten, you'll end up going with the proven solution that a lot of people are already using. It's easy to make a business case for a known quantity.

    Unfortunately, that's not how it usually works out. Other things color the decision like:

    1) This friend of mine still works at this company and I'd like to throw them a bone.
    2) For political reasons, we like company A.
    3) The upper management prefer product C because of the pretty colors, and because so-and-so heard it was great at some cocktail party.
    4) We are going to use solution D and that's official from upper management. There is no discussion. They read about it in CIO Monthly.
    5) I have stock in company E.

    You get the picture.
    • Sounds like you work at the same company I work at.. Except you are missing one thing:

      We have to go with this option because it is the absolute cheapest.
    • Re:Well, lets see... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Sai Babu ( 827212 )

      In the ideal world one would decide what is needed to do the job, send out a mess of RFQ's with appropriate penalties for 'failure to perform' in all categories of import (including timely delivery), and let the vendors figure out how to meet your needs.

      Of course, it's more work to detail requirements than to WAG hardware that has enough oomph to CYA. It's less fun researching than hitting a 3 martini lunch and maybe a weekend of golf and strip clubs with the vendors.

      In the end, you can have the best of
  • How do I... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2004 @08:56AM (#10863455)
    Keep up with Enterprise-level Tech? Mostly by watching Star Trek of course! Duh! :)
  • The Register (Score:3, Informative)

    by prismbreak ( 644209 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @09:13AM (#10863558) Homepage
    The Register has a news section on enterprise computing. I wouldn't say that's all you'd ever need to read, but its a start.
    http://www.theregister.com/enterprise/ [theregister.com]
  • BOFH Junket (Score:3, Funny)

    by infonography ( 566403 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @09:40AM (#10863737) Homepage
    Consult the BOFH series of articles on how one keeps up. It's on theregister.co.uk Sure it's dated in some places but a good read. Other then that vendors are willing do bend over completely to get a sale. I recently got a Demo of Weblogic from BEA and on for Webtrends. Just for asking. If your a serious (or even not) buyer, they will give your almost everything you need.
  • benchmark (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Johnny Mnemonic ( 176043 ) <mdinsmore@@@gmail...com> on Friday November 19, 2004 @09:49AM (#10863821) Homepage Journal

    Not always available or appropriate, but you do your research and take the plunge--but before you put all 20,000 users on the chosen solution, you try it out with 100 and then scale it up as it is proved.

    The problem with this is that some products are only available to WAN type solutions, so it's either 20,000 users or none. For those, it's naturally more difficult; who do you ask about how the thing is going to work? How many other institutions use the exact product you're investigating, in an environment that's analogous to yours, who also isn't a competitor and therefore not willing to reveal their competitive advantages?

    For those, I'd say: do your research as others above have suggested, but then it comes down to nailing the vendor on deliverables--what are the consequences of the product not performing as promised? Rebate, return, free upgrade to the bug-squished version? And support contracts--how much support time does the solution come with to make it work as advertised?

    If anyone who wants to sell to the Enterprise isn't willing to give you both written guarantees as to performance--and consequences for failing to perform--as well as some support, they're not really ready to be an Enterprise vendor. That's part of what that $1M buys you.
  • Ask for whitepapers, documentation, a sales call... presentations, etc etc

    If you're planning on buying something that is... otherwise.... hmmm why, it will all change by the time you need to make a decision.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    So, like, transporters?
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Two of the large corporations I've worked at paid a bundle to have access to the Gartner Group reports. When we were doing tech evaluations, the people who had access to the reports (you pay for search ability) would then sort of summarize things for us, or in some cases, they'd pay a fee to Gartner so that the rest of us could legally read the report, or illegally just email the rest of us a PDF and tell us not to tell anyone.

    But, basically, you have to find someone who 1) has the money to do the researc
  • and ask for demo models. The company I work at does that all the time. We just purchased a couple new Redline load balancers that way.
  • When you're talking about real money, you do what research you can to scope your requirements, then get some eval units and test the hell out of them with your application. Repeat for each vendor under consideration, then decide.

    It's called due diligence. Just Do It.

    -Isaac

  • welcome our new Opteron-reviewing dog overlords.
  • by baywulf ( 214371 ) on Friday November 19, 2004 @10:40AM (#10864348)
    This is what I do to get my enterprise running smoothly:
    * Level 5 diagnostics every hour
    * Level 3 diagnostics on first sign of battle ready
    * Level 1 diagnostics once a year
    * Inspection of warp coils for tetrion or verteron particles. These can cause poor engine performance.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19, 2004 @10:50AM (#10864463)
    If your enterprise is run on clusters, then what you keep on is mostly clustering software rather than high-end hardware, the exception being the switch fabric. So keeping up with enterprise-level tech for me means understanding things like Oracle's Cache Fusion / 10g and then knowing enough about tieing it together, which is really a network/SAN thing. For the server hardware itself, off-the-shelf stuff from IBM/Dell/HP all work fine.
  • Analysts (Score:4, Informative)

    by GuyZero ( 303599 ) * on Friday November 19, 2004 @11:09AM (#10864642)
    http://www.gartner.com/ [gartner.com]
    http://www.metagroup.com/ [metagroup.com]
    http://www.idc.com/ [idc.com]
    http://www.forrester.com/ [forrester.com]
    http://www.idg.com/ [idg.com]
    http://www.jupiterresearch.com/ [jupiterresearch.com]
    http://www.yankeegroup.com/ [yankeegroup.com]
    http://www.aberdeen.com/ [aberdeen.com]
    http://www.amrresearch.com/ [amrresearch.com]

    And yes, they all cost money. If you're an enterprise and you want input on how to spend you tens-of-thousands to multi-million-dollar IT budget, you can shell out a few more dollars to get some research.
    • http://www.gartner.com/
      http://www.metagroup.com/
      http://www.idc.com/
      http://www.forrester.com/
      http://www.idg.com/
      http://www.jupiterresearch.co m/
      http://www.yankeegroup.com/
      http://www.aberde en.com/
      http://www.amrresearch.com/

      Aren't a few of those companies on the "don't have a clue"/"will parrot any opinion for a price" list?

      • Re:Analysts (Score:3, Insightful)

        by GuyZero ( 303599 ) *

        Aren't a few of those companies on the "don't have a clue"/"will parrot any opinion for a price" list?

        I make no claims about the quality of opinions. And they may even have opinions that you disagree with! But if you're looking for opinions, forecasts, comparisons and analysis, it's there. Sure, some may be biased, but how could it be worse than just going straight to vendors?

        Besides, most of them just repeat what other users are doing... so if you ask what OS to use, they just tell you what everyone el

    • Paying these companies big bucks to pick vendors for you is like paying someone to write your term paper for you.

      Sure, you can avoid doing your homework, but is what you get really going to be the best possible solution to your business problems?
  • by jgardn ( 539054 ) <jgardn@alumni.washington.edu> on Friday November 19, 2004 @11:39AM (#10865028) Homepage Journal
    In companies where the tech team drives the tech, I have seen a group of computers set aside for experimentation. They won't spend too much time on it, but from time to time, they'll try something out to see if it is promising.

    If you can find a company where mangement listens to tech, it is usually pretty easy to justify this experimentation lab environment. You still have to show how having it is better than not having it, and how much it will cost over the next three years. But that's no different than any other project in techland.

    Companies where the upper management drives tech decisions are generally not the best places to work. I tend to avoid them. I guess I've been lucky because of my particular micro-field (e-commerce perl programmer), while others I know always end up in top-down organizations (java programmers).
  • Typically in an enterprise environment you have pretty specific requirements based on the hardware that you've already got. Most vendors understand this and will get you an evaluation unit or license to try the hardware out in your own environment or a test environment that you've set up. We've done this with every major piece of hardware we've ever bought from a list of fairly major players including:
    • EMC - Symmetrix and Celerra
    • Network Appliance - NAS filers
    • Cisco - switches, routers, firewalls and sof
  • by ex_ottoyuhr ( 607701 ) <ex_ottoyuhr@hotOPENBSDmail.com minus bsd> on Friday November 19, 2004 @12:29PM (#10865600)
    Dealing with Enterprise tech? Easy. When all else fails...

    REVERSE THE POLARITY!

    Oh, wrong Enterprise...
  • Y'know all those weekly and biweekly glossy mags your CIO and Manager get? There actually is valid product overview and release information in them. The IT executive industry base is a PR flaks paradise. Read/scan and then scurry to the vendors website for the White Paper/lowdown.

    If you have the money, set up a test lab. Vendors are more wary to loan eval hw than they were in the dotcom era but a relationship with a good salesman can always finagle some product.

    Have the suits do the talking if you are buz
  • Enterprise level? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sysadmn ( 29788 ) <sysadmn AT gmail DOT com> on Friday November 19, 2004 @02:20PM (#10867170) Homepage
    Easy, I just drop a hint that I might be purchasing something, and the vendor's account rep buys me lunch and tells me how good his product is, and all the competitor's faults. After a week of free lunches, I announce the project has been put on hold. Then repeat the process next month, using what you learned the previous month. I've gained 10 pounds this year! Of course, it helps to work for a Fortune 5 company. Not only do you have a sales team, and sales engineering team, there's usually a vendor VP assigned to manage the relationship between your company and theirs. And those guys have really big expense accounts. I don't have to use the
    <tongue-in-cheek>
    tag, do I?
  • Where I'm at we have a very simple rule. Many people don't like it, but it's the way things are. Since I rule, it's all good.

    1) Switchs and Routers are all Cisco devices. Using Cisco NNM to monitor, configure and control them.
    2) All servers, printers, Pc's and laptops are all HP. All controlled by Insight Manager.
    3) All UPS are from APC and we use InfrastrXure manager (everything has a SNMP card) to make sure 1 & 2 are powered on. Keep it simple, don't mismatch products.
  • It's all you need, really

  • There's no easy solution (hey, if there was, they wouldn't need to pay you.) Generally you'll do just fine if you follow a few simple guidelines.

    1. Make damn sure you fully understand your own needs. A mistake here is going to get you serious butthurt in the long run. On the other hand, if you really understand what you need, the products that match kinda jump out at you. A lot of folks run off half cocked chasing new toys, then find themselves working like dogs to implement a whizz-bang solution that simp

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