Picasa 2.0 Released, Reviewed 277
firebirdy writes "Google's Picasa 2.0 was announced yesterday (with support for RAW, Gmail integration, and uploading to popular photo services, among other things) and PC Magazine is ready with a review. Four and a half stars, and the only drawback found by PC Magazine folks was the lack of support for handheld devices."
I wish they'd release a linux version (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I wish they'd release a linux version (Score:5, Informative)
I know its not completely done but have you even looked at F-spot? http://www.gnome.org/projects/f-spot/
how about gThumb
http://gthumb.sourceforge.net/
or digiKam
http://digikam.sourceforge.net/Digikam-S
Compared to what the older version of Picassa offered these aren't so aweful. Pre 2.0 Picassa sucked for image enhancement and only had a nice visual experience going for it. Its not like its organizational tools were very good so I don't know why you were so hung up on having it for Linux. With 2.0 yes, Linux users should be jealous, but pre that I thought it was just average with a gimmicky but fun timeline feature.
Anyway, the picasa people did say to post if you wanted a Linux version of it. This is at there forums, so drop by and add to the "Picassa for Linux" thread http://forums.picasa.com/viewforum.php?f=1 Maybe they'll actually listen?
Re:I wish they'd release a linux version (Score:3, Informative)
The single most useful feature sounds similar to the "KeyWords" feature mentioned above. It's got a few predefined categories, but will let you define your own, and that combined with using EXIF data, will let you very easily (once the pics have been categorized) do things like: Show me all pictures taken in Norway on July 9th.
It doesn't care about the folder structure (you point it to a "root", like /mediafile/photos), has some pretty decent "Export to HTML album
Re:I wish they'd release a linux version (Score:2, Informative)
I didn't dislike Picasa 2.0 (it works and it's simple) but I still miss things:
Re:I wish they'd release a linux version (Score:2)
As it stands now, there are some good viewers, I like GQview [sourceforge.net] which is an included extra with most distros.
It's really handy. Not perfect for for general viewing it does the job. Complaints: no printing ability, extremely limited image manipulation ability, but as a s
Re:I wish they'd release a linux version (Score:2)
Platform Independant Photo Management (Score:2)
I know it's web-based and you have to be online...but if you have a broadband connection then it shouldn't be an issue.
AWESOME (Score:4, Informative)
Microsoft Windows 98/ME/2000/XP
Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0+
Picasa 2 is available in English only.
Re:AWESOME (Score:2)
I use a Mac, and don't really like iPhoto. I wish it was iTunes for pictures, but it isn't. I'll stick to folders with names like, "2005017", for now.
Re:AWESOME (Score:2)
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Re:AWESOME (Score:5, Informative)
Re:AWESOME (Score:2)
but.. now that i'm installing it.
wtf is up with this? it gives 2 choices. completely scan my harddrives for pictures OR just scan desktop, my documents and my pictures. hmm. where's the 3rd option "let me choose what to scan"..
so now it's scanning through 250 gigabytes of crap rather than just the 3 gigabytes that i wanted.
Re:AWESOME (Score:2)
well, that solves one problem (Score:2)
Re:AWESOME (Score:3, Informative)
Microsoft has no picture management tool like this.
Microsoft had no desktop search tool at the time Google released theirs.
What more Google software on Windows are you referring to?
Re:AWESOME (Score:5, Informative)
Q: Picasa 2 system requirements state the you need to have Internet Explorer. I use a different browser. What can I do?
A: You do not have to set Internet Explorer as your default browser to use Picasa 2. You must have Internet Explorer installed for Picasa to install and run smoothly. Most operations in Picasa 2 that call for a web browser will still bring up your default web browser, whether you are using Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera.
Re:AWESOME (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:AWESOME (Score:2)
Heavens no!
Anyway, on my single boot system, Picasa will stay. I'll let you know when I start browsing the web with Picasa 2.0.
Re:AWESOME (Score:3, Insightful)
Why are you even running windows if you have such a hatred for an integrated system program?
Virtually all IE vulnerabilities are accessed by going to a hacked site or similar. Picasa doesn't do that. How could it? Beyond which, adjusting your security settings absolves you of most problems anyway.
Sure, it is fun to bash microsoft, I have done it too. But don't be stupid about it
compared to picasa 1...... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:compared to picasa 1...... (Score:2)
AND
As Bevis would say... (Score:2)
Picasa vs. iPhoto? (Score:2, Interesting)
Yes, I know it's comparing Windows vs. Mac.
Re:Picasa vs. iPhoto? (Score:3, Funny)
Some thoughts (Score:5, Informative)
* Keeps pictures in place. iPhoto puts them all in one directory structure, which some people don't like. I've been using a program that lets you keep mutliple iPhoto libraries so I don't have that problem.
* Comments go into IPTC fields. Don't think iPhoto does that, but it's a good idea.
* Lets you print a poster by slitting image across multiple pages.
It is better than the current iPhoto in terms of editing tools, but about the same compared to iPhoto 5 (due out next week I think, if not already). Also, the new iPhoto supports RAW files and I think has more export options. Basically iPhoto also benefits from the good integration with other iLife apps for making slideshow DVD's and such easier and more interesting - in that respect Picasa is more stand-alone.
Re:Good to know... (Score:2)
Re:Picasa vs. iPhoto? (Score:5, Informative)
iPhoto download. (Score:2)
Picasa (Score:5, Informative)
I've always been a bit unsure how Picasa fits into Google's philosophy. I mean, they're all about searching, locating relevant things, organisation of data etc, right? Now I think Picasa is a decent piece of software - although the first version was a tad slow and occasionally unstable, I'm willing to give it a second try. But in terms of organisation of data, it doesn't really offer much. You can't put pictures into more than one group, for example.
Surely the best thing would be actual image search. In other words, I give the program a picture of my face and say 'find all the other pictures with this face'. That's an extreme example and would be incredibly complex, of course, but some kind of actual picture searching capability would be amazingly useful.
Like I say, this isn't an anti-Picasa troll because it's a decent piece of software, but it doesn't seem to be offering anything amazingly new.
Re:Picasa (Score:5, Interesting)
This was actually the feature that sold me on Picasa. See, my problem was that at last count, my laptop had about 25Gb of porn on it, in a whole bunch of video files. I wanted to be able to categorize my porn in ways that would allow me to slice-and-dice my collection -- show me all gay porn, say, or all het porn, or all porn that involves swallowing, etc. I had taken an awkward first step by putting the media files into folders, but that ran into that whole "hard to have a media file in more than one folder" (on Windows, where symlinks/hardlinks are not really all that useful) problem. So great, but what happens when I want to see all videos where Gwen Summers swallows? Hard to do.
Picasa solves this problem elegantly and beautifully for me. I'm very happy with it.
[Sigh. Since this is Slashdot and everyone thinks you're kidding if you talk seriously about porn, I should note I'm entirely serious. In fact, before I found Picasa I attempted to submit an 'Ask Slashdot' about how other people categorize their porn collection, but it got rejected as a troll]
Re:Picasa (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously, what you've described is the basic problem addressed by any information management system. The fact that it involves photos or video is a bit of red herring. I used programs written in DBaseII to solve this kind of problem (for a vastly different domain...) twenty years ago. I find it hard to believe that the state of the art hasn't progressed until the Picasa showed up.
Re:Picasa (Score:2)
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Re:Picasa (Score:3, Insightful)
There's been a heck of a lot of data that needs to be organized on non-"consumer" machines, however! The amount of data you're talking about should be measured in instances, not megabytes. The fact that a digital photo is more than a thousand times larger than an invoice or a patient record or what have you doesn't make it more di
Porn = easy to find? NO. (Score:5, Funny)
I don't really want a visiting friend clicking on the wrong icon in my Start menu and having my midget bukkake collection spread out before them (neatly catalogued).
Re:Porn = easy to find? NO. (Score:2)
Create a non-admin visitor/guest account for friends, leave your shit separate.
Re:Porn = easy to find? NO. (Score:2)
Re:Picasa (Score:2)
Re:Picasa (Score:2, Funny)
pls stop 4 ur sake thx
Re:Picasa (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Picasa (Score:2, Interesting)
I think they are trying to get more inroads into any type of data, and pictures are a huge aspect. The nice integration with hello.com and blogger.com seems to show that they are in that direction.
Actual Image Search (Score:2)
For an example of visual search see LTU Technologies [ltutech.com] product Image Seeker [ltutech.com]. They have a demo [ltutech.com] using the 65,000 corbis [corbis.com] royalty free images [corbis.com].
Image-seeker is highly scalable server-side software.
Re:Picasa (Score:2, Interesting)
See today's LA times for a look into Google's "make/buy cool stuff and give it away" methodology:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-google18jan1 8,0,2075292.story [latimes.com]
Where Picasa fits. (Score:2)
Searching, yes, locating, yes, organizing, big fat no. Their core business is helping you find information on the most disorganized collection of data in human history: the Web.
I'm not sure I'm a Picasa fan. Like you, I want to categorize and organize, and Picasa isn't particularly good at that. But it is good at simply finding things. During its automatic search, it turned up directories of old photos I was
Re:Picasa (Score:2)
Picasa 2 is the best photo program I have used (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Easy to use
2) Extremely fast (even when applying effects)
3) Powerful
Very rarely does a program combine all three of those and not feel like a bloat piece of junk. Picasa does it all.
It can easily print photos or you can upload/order prints online.
You can even export photos to a web page (even save as XML format!).
It has a cool feature called "I'm Feeling Lucky" (get the Google reference) that automatically adjusts everything from color to contrast to redeye. It has worked virtually flawless for me so far on a select number of photos that I have had a chance to play along with and if there is an issue, the undo takes a second (if that) to return to the original.
Simply amazing. Best part, it is free
Re:Picasa 2 is the best photo program I have used (Score:2)
Re:Picasa 2 is the best photo program I have used (Score:3, Informative)
Picasa does NOT move your pictures around by itself.
It does rip a database of thumbnails for fast scrolling.
Even all of the edits are non-descructive! (Come back a week later and undo your crop/rotate/adjust highlights.) They are super careful about that.
Just tried it (Score:5, Informative)
Problems. The Sharpeness tool is lacking and things become corse and grainy really quick. Almost all digital cameras benefit from some sharpenging, but here its below average and needs work. The only other glaring fault is the red eye tool zooms out and makes it harder to select eyes, not easier. It does work well though so its not all bad. I just wish it was easier to select people's eyes.
Overall though a really nice consumer photo organizer and light editor app. Hell for $40 it would be a nice app. I'm impressed that they addressed some of the shortcomings from the old version and kept it free and of course Slick feeling and looking. No need to be jealous of IPhoto anymore. Nice job Google.
Re:Just tried it (Score:2, Informative)
Also - while it doesn't prompt for jpeg quality settings when you save effects, it seems to err on the side of too much quality rather than too little - which I like. If I'm burning my photos to CD to have prints made, I don't want shots from my $300 camera comp
Re:Just tried it (Score:3, Informative)
From the help file:
Picasa never saves over your original files, so you'll never ruin or damage a picture by editing it. Picasa preserves your original photo as a digital negative, so every edit you make is fully undoable. If you want to work with your edited pictures in other programs, you should export or save a copy of them.
For an average home user, this seems great, as it
Great software.....but where's the web publishing? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Great software.....but where's the web publishi (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Great software.....but where's the web publishi (Score:2)
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Re:Great software.....but where's the web publishi (Score:2)
Note: this is only relevant if you want to upload entire albums to blogger because their 'hello' software allows you to upload individual photos just fine.
Picasa "Thinks Differently" (Score:3, Informative)
Slick (Score:4, Insightful)
Now Picasa 2.0 comes along, and it is at least at easy to use and fast as 1.2. It also fixes my number one problem with these organizers, that the program's internal organization is not reflected on the disk, only in some metadata. That just doesn't cut it in real life when you're working with multiple programs. I bet Adobe will start to give away their Album software for free soon, I just don't see who would want to buy it when Picasa is simply better, faster and free.
Picasa sucks, but Hellos is good (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Picasa sucks, but Hellos is good (Score:2)
Does it still drop files everywhere? (Score:2)
This sort of behaviour drove me nuts with a certain Windows FTP client, but at least that could be turned off. Can you tell 2.0 to use a centralized database somehow?
Re:Does it still drop files everywhere? (Score:2, Informative)
Picasa vs. Adobe Photoshop Album 2 (Score:2, Informative)
Click [searchenginewatch.com]
I agree mostly with the lacking of a hierarchical labeling system being a miss.
Also, I've used iPhoto a fair amount and I find Picasa a bit easier to use.
However, I'm hoping that the updated iPhoto will do better.
omg, best photo organizer ever! (Score:2, Insightful)
But i used it for like 30 minutes and its amazing. I always hated having to browse folders to look for pictures, and i don't have to do it anymore. I gave a quick glimpse on the effects panel, and the red eye remover is easy and very effective.
this is a really cool software. really.
ps. no, i don't work at picasa, google, or anywhere near US at all.
Question about Picasa (Score:2)
Anyone know?
Re:Question about Picasa (Score:2)
Or Windows/Samba shares would be just as effective.
Better than iPhoto? (Score:2)
You don't have to respect my bias, but at least you're aware of it.
Re:Better than iPhoto? (Score:2)
It's never an all or nothing thing. Quit makeing it out to be the end of the world because the app isn't supported on your platform. Obviously you have a solution in iPhoto.
Works With Wine (Score:3, Interesting)
Two gthumbs up for that!
Mark
A few issues I've found (Score:5, Informative)
No PDF (Score:2)
Direct Download Link to Picasa 2 (Score:2, Informative)
It is the cure (Score:2)
Cheers,
Adolfo
Migrating to Picasa from another photo mgmt suite? (Score:2, Interesting)
Bow down (Score:2, Interesting)
what a horrible idea (Score:2)
Greatest strengths can often be the greatest weakness as well. It's not good to plug the weakness by getting rid of the strength entirely.
This will help the sites which use these tags, good for google for providing an "opt-out" to get rid of spammers.
But this will only serve to hurt google, it seems. Spammers will simply move to other sites, and google loses some
Don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist... (Score:2, Interesting)
For example, what if User X used the redeye tool to successfully and satisfactorially remove redeye from a random image, and all of the data regarding how the software did the redeye fix and the data about whe sent to Google anonymously. This data could then be
Re:Don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist. (Score:2)
Picasa is a cheeky bitch (Score:2)
On install Picasa 2 asked whether I want to keep old database from Picasa or index my disk and find all pics. I chose the first option, but still found out later that Picasa 2 added My Documents folder (which I absolutely abhore and don't use for anything, so it only contains things like NFS2 save files and other crap that various retarded programs put there) and two partitions J: and K: that it has absolutely no
Re:Whats Picasa? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:is it free? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:is it free? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:is it free? (Score:2)
Re:is it free? (Score:2)
Re:is it free? (Score:2)
Re:Well, guess we know where their biases are (Score:2)
Re:Well, guess we know where their biases are (Score:3, Interesting)
Linux support is unlikely as Picasa has a long history on Windows and is targeted towards grandparents. Portability was probably not a consideration.
Mac support? Nobody is going to use this instead of iPhoto.
Re:Well, guess we know where their biases are (Score:5, Informative)
But I'm supposed to believe that Photoshop is one of the best web browsers ever? Please...
(Picasa is supposed to organize your photos, not edit them. Editing is just a side feature that they added in case you're too lazy to open up Gimp. So, Picasa us a crappy photo editing program, but it's pretty good at organize pictures. Good at what it's designed for, sucks at what it's not)
Re:Well, guess we know where their biases are (Score:2)
Re:Picasa has spoiled me (Score:2)
Re:I suppose I could just install it... (Score:2)
Re:I love google. (Score:2)
during that 1 week trial... I didn't even sleep.
I was flying around the world like Santa. I visited everyone.
From navigating the streets in North Korea, to my own home...
I was pathetic... but it was too cool.
Re:What's happening to SlashDot ? (Score:2)
Re:What's in a name? (Score:2)
Re:I Tried Picasa Last Time (Score:2)
I didn't see that on your list of features.
Wait for GNU GPL v3 (Score:2, Informative)
The GPL is written to allow internal modifcation and use without requiring release of your modifications, but it seems this allowance is based on the belief that a piece of software used on a foreign machine can never monopolize a market segment. But what if all the applications are network-based?
The GNU General Public License version 3 will provide an option, apparently letting a distributor require a user who "publicly performs" a modified program, such as by offering it as a public web service, to pu