Star Wars Episode 3 PG-13? 563
geekboxjockey writes "This story hints at the next Star Wars being a bit more of a mature themed movie: "[The film] is much more dark...more emotional. It's much more of a tragedy," adds Lucas. "...it will be the first Star Wars that's a PG-13.""There's also a new trailer airing during tonight's The O.C., so you can use that as an excuse to watch FOX teen drama. Fortunately for me, Summer is the only excuse I need. And maybe Captain Oats.
too little, too late (Score:3, Insightful)
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I'm watching the OC now, and damn Lucas straight to his lava planet hell for this.
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Re:Spoiler alert! (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:too little, too late (Score:5, Interesting)
having been throughly spoiled on ep 3, i now know what he meant.
you had to see the galaxy (and anakin) as they were before the darkness to see how major the changes were:
you had to see the bureaucratically hobbled, glacially slow to act republic to understand why it was even possible for the empire to be born.
you had to see the "whee! now this is podracing!" anakin to truly see how far the fall was to the "i don't 'fear' the dark side... i embrace it" vader. `
episode 1 really cannot stand alone. it is the prologue both to its own trilogy and to the overall saga. the events in it seem minor and unimportant... except that you know what things like 'chancellor palpatine' will lead to. or when qui-gon said, "anakin skywalker... meet obi-wan kenobi"; the entire theater collectively draws a breath at that point because they know where and how these two men will end their friendship and their lives. and that was just with knowing what would happen in 4-6. now that we (are about to) have seen all of it (obi-wan crying out in frustration "you were the chosen one!" from the new trailer sticks in one's head) we can go back to ep 1 and see the shadows forming.
yes, jar-jar is annoying. what, the universe of long ago and far away doesn't have annoying critters? besides, that's the irony - that jar-jar helped palpatine to power. yes, anakin's annoying, whiny, selfish, and clunky in "love scenes" with padme. that's part of his story and part of the reason he could fall to the dark side - palpy plays on his desire to be more powerful and his fear of losing/failing those he cares about.
if anakin were the uber-cool, suave, humble-yet-powerful jedi people seem to want, what could palps offer him to tempt him to the dark side? moreover, why would he accept? the great irony of the star wars story is that anakin falls to evil because of love. because he wants that power so he can keep those he loves with him. and then once he knows he's lost padme forever, he fully accepts his role as darth vader, taking the only power and control he can, in bitterness, guilt and probably not a little self-hatred.
and this is why luke was able to redeem vader. anakin was finally able to save someone - his own son - and not with the dark side of the force, and not even with the force at all, but by merely making a choice, a choice that he probably thought was lost to him forever.
Re:too little, too late (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:too little, too late (Score:5, Insightful)
He's made it abundantly clear in interviews that the fans don't mean shit to him. In an interview with CNN, his response to fans wanting an un-screwed with DVD of the OT was, "I'm sorry you fell in love with a half-finished film, but get over it."
George Lucas doesn't give a tin shit for his fans or how they (or film history) see him, and moreover, because so many of them pay him money regardless of what he does, he doesn't have to.
So yeah.
Re:too little, too late (Score:5, Insightful)
This is his art. He should be able to create/modify whatever he pleases. This is how he expresses himself (how much money he makes off of it should not matter).
Let's say you wrote a novel. After your friend reads the draft, you decide that the ending sucked and changed it, which you like MUCH better. However, then your friend comes back and says the old ending was better and you should produce that novel instead of the new version that YOU, the author, like better.
What business is of your friend to dictate what your novel should be? It is not a collaborative effort (unless YOU wanted it to be). Most artist would demand the same.
If the public likes the new version, great. If they don't, that's fine too. At least you published what YOU, the artist, wanted.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Re:too little, too late (Score:4, Insightful)
Second, Lucas wasn't the artist who made Empire Strikes Back - the best of the Star Wars films. So your argument has no merit with that movie.
Third, there is no reason to not release the original versions. Given that Lucas hasn't written or directed a good film in decades, any pretense of this being to prevent embarrassment at seeing the old versions has no merit.
Fourth, by not preserving the original version for posterity he is destroying a small piece of modern history and culture. If he were verifiably insane instead of simply losing his talents and abilities, I doubt anyone would agree with this destruction.
Fifth, the original movies would be public domain by now if not for the government-corporate corruption of copyright law.
Re:too little, too late (Score:3)
Who owns an idea? This isn't a facile question, it's actually the root of the issue. A book/movie/song/painting/artistic expression is just a set of ideas fixed in a tangible medium. When you view a creation, you experience those ideas and make them your own. In other words, your thoughts and feelings filter your perceptions to create a unique personal experience.
Subsequent alterations of a work can never replace your experience of the original. Ideas can't be "undone". At best, changes to a work
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Re:too little, too late (Score:3, Interesting)
If Lucas really wanted to win back the fans, he wouldn't have propagated new and existing defacements of the original trilogy, such as not returning the Greedo scene to the original narrative, or replacing Darth Vader in the Return of the Jedi celebration scene with that mullet-wearing, no-talent ha
Re:too little, too late (Score:3, Insightful)
I thought SW was cool when I was a kid, and that persisted into my mid-20s, but now I really have a hard time watching them, save for The Empire Strikes Back, which is still a damn good story that easily survives the meteorically bad talents of Carrey Fisher and Mark Hamell. It's also likely that it's the best because it had an actual SF writer with a good deal of work under her
Re:too little, too late (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, I want Lucas to make me feel like I did when I was a kid. Anything less is a betrayal. Damn, I am going to end up watching this thing and end up feeling like some type of lame slashdot reading middle aged computer hack.
Mr. Lucas, YOU ARE FAILING YOUR FAN BASE!!!!
Think of the children! (Score:5, Funny)
"This story hints at the next Star Wars being a bit more of a mature themed movie
We wouldn't want pre-teens emulating the movie and killing themselves trying to surf on lava, would we? Good plan!
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Funny)
One thing's for sure, he's right about it being a tragedy.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like you need A New Hope.
Droids Gone Wild! (Score:5, Funny)
Hot Tusken on Tusken raiding!
Watch as Mon Mothma shows Ackbar her trap!
See Han's solo action! (He shoots first!)
Steamy TK42 1 on 1 action!
See Luke "bullseye" those wamp rats back on the farm!
Find out which Jedi really has the biggest saber!
Slave girls drunk on Qui Gon Jin!
And yes finally Amidala with hot grits!
Make it G for all I care (Score:3, Insightful)
Here's to hope (Score:5, Insightful)
Great. Will the story be any better than the last two? Will the acting be any better? BUT.....I ^H^H^H LOVE HER SO MUCH!!!!!! Please. I hope I am wrong as I thought that Empire Strikes Back was the best of the three original Star Wars films principally because it was dark and did not have Ewoks or (Exsqueeze me?) Jar Jar and the acting was much better. Star Wars had its appeal, but they started dropping off in Return of the Jedi and buying into the Hollywoodification and hype.
There's also a new trailer airing during tonight's The O.C., so you can use that as an excuse to watch FOX teen drama.
This is where they are choosing to premier this trailer? Oh man, all hope is lost. Seriously though, why? What is the demographic that they are appealing to for this film? Are Anakin and Padme going to develop into some soap opera? This is soooo disappointing. Perhaps I will see the trailer once it hits the Internet, but given the fact that I have not yet seen the last Star Wars film, I don't have much hope.
Re:Here's to hope (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Here's to hope (Score:2, Insightful)
Star Wars is under Fox, and the OC airs on Fox...it probably had nothing at all to do with Lucas and all to do with what show Fox wanted to bolster some ratings for.
Re:Here's to hope (Score:2, Insightful)
I am a 26 year old male. The Star Wars trilogy have been my favorite movies since I was 5 years old. The O.C. is the only show on television that I watch every week.
If The Returning Revenge of the Darth Sith or whatever it is called is half as good as The O.C. it will be a huge and welcome improvement over the last two installments
Re:Here's to hope (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, is this really a surprise to anyone? Lucas (and the rest of Hollywood for that matter) KNOWS that geeks (more specifically, 20-30 something MALE geeks) are salivating to get any glimpse of the new trailer and will sit through this chick-flick show just to see it early. This show's appeal is mosly to women, so they are attempting to (at least temporarily) expand their viewing audience to include the 20-30 something males that normally wouldn't think twice about flipping past it...
I'm glad I have a Tivo though - that fast forward button will come in REAL handy tonight...:)
Re:Here's to hope (Score:5, Interesting)
We have someone tape it for us every week and we all love it. It generally has material relevant to geeks in every show, and it's a great way to start conversations with those women you so easily disdain. It may in fact not be for you, but I think more geeks than you realize are regulars.
Now, as for the Spiderman-inspired kiss... *groan*
Re:Here's to hope (Score:3, Funny)
I'm glad Slashdot warned me not to watch OC tonight!
Re:Here's to hope (Score:3, Insightful)
I think the telling thing is that Empire was not written nor directed by George Lucas; credit there to Brackett & Kasdan and Kershner respectively. Lucas' writing is sophomoric and his direction is pretty damn bad to say the least. Even good actors become crappy in his milquetoast hands. My friend had the best summary crit
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I assure you (Score:3, Insightful)
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They are just movies, a lot of fun to watch, fun plot, and cult classics in their own right, b
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Captain Oats! (Score:5, Funny)
more mature? (Score:2)
I find that hard to believe. More likely it's a warning that JarJar features heavily in the movie.
shudder
Re:more mature? (Score:3, Insightful)
it might have a semi cruel execution or something.
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Re:More mature? (Score:3, Funny)
But if she's not petrified, what's the point?
Re:More mature? (Score:5, Insightful)
Bambi was bad an all, but at least she didn't crawl inside of her mother for warmpth.
Re:More mature? (Score:3, Insightful)
Which raises the question: is showing a horrible fate without any actual, you know, _horror_, really something suitable for children? I'm generally anti-censorship, and in favour of the rating system, but we seem to have some rather odd priorities when blood gore and nipples (gah! evil corrupting nipples!) get all the ire of parent groups and wa
epic stories (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember that Lucas has pretensions of telling an epic story suitable for being the basis of mythology for centuries to come. (Or at least that's how he comes off in interviews.)
We tell our kids about the Spartans at Thermopylae, and The Trojan Horse, The Sack of Troy and so on. We tell them about valiant men who put whole civilisations being put to the sword.
We do this so that when we want them to
IV through VI were before the PG-13 era (Score:5, Informative)
The PG-13® film rating did not exist when the first three Star Wars movies (Episodes IV through VI) came out. Return of the Jedi (Ep VI) came out in 1983; PG-13 didn't start until July 1984 [filmratings.com], apparently because Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was right smack between PG and R. In fact, some believe that The Empire Strikes Back (Ep V) could have been PG-13 had that rating existed.
Re:IV through VI were before the PG-13 era (Score:2)
A New Hope was originally G until... (Score:4, Interesting)
As an interesting side-note, the original Star Wars was slated to get a G rating. Lucas was already worried about having his film seen as kiddie fodder and the G rating really bothered him. So left in the scene of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru's remains burning in the fire when Luke finds them. That was sufficiently gruesome to get the rating raised to PG.
I wonder if Lucas's shooting for a PG-13 rating with Revenge of the Sith is supposed to be some kind of tribute to what he did with A New Hope.
GMD
R18 for some (Score:2, Funny)
Who cares what the rating is... (Score:3, Insightful)
Dear George Lucas:
Please, PLEASE don't screw this one up.
Was RotJ PG? (Score:2, Funny)
PG-13...That simply means... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:PG-13...That simply means... (Score:5, Funny)
It's called maturing. It's a good thing, really. Adds perspective.
The Age Restrictions are Backwards (Score:2, Funny)
I love this! (Score:3, Funny)
Hooray! Now Samuel L. Jackson can let loose! (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Hooray! Now Samuel L. Jackson can let loose! (Score:3, Funny)
Clarify 'tragedy' (Score:2)
We know that the first two movies were tragedies, so does the 'tragedy' here refer to aspects of the story line, the movie itself (as in it will be following in the footsteps of the first two), the box office revenue or the fact that it will be rated PG13?
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I thought I read.... (Score:2)
I think the comment is supposed to be read "I see this movie as more of a PG-13 rating" whether or not it really gets that or has to be pared down, instead of "yeah we got it reviewed and it's getting a
The line that did it. (Score:5, Funny)
-Peter
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Out of all the reasons for a PG-13 rating... (Score:3, Funny)
If you hate The O.C. (Score:3, Informative)
Quicktime required:
http://geekfactor.uni.cc/vids/episode3trailer.mov [geekfactor.uni.cc]
Re:If you hate The O.C. (Score:5, Funny)
That's ok... we don't care about your hosting server either...
Re:Screener and poor quality (Score:2, Funny)
PG-13! (Score:2, Funny)
Finally, Nathalie Portman in a Hot Gritz scene!
George Lucas on 60 Minutes this week (Score:5, Informative)
Tune in to "60 Minutes" Sunday, March 13 on CBS for a special in-depth interview with George Lucas. The show previously profiled Lucas in 1999 during the release of Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace to document the beginning of the prequels. Now that Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith heads into the final stages of post-production, "60 Minutes" correspondent Lesley Stahl returns to Skywalker Ranch to chat with Lucas about his family, his technological innovations and his plans after Episode III.........
You can find the rest of the article here:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publi
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Re:George Lucas on 60 Minutes this week (Score:3, Funny)
Hey, wait a minute. This script... umm... We, uh, we stand by the story, even if the script itself may have been forged [photopile.com].
Courage.
Yes, movie will be better - here's why (Score:5, Insightful)
The acting better? Who knows. Special effects? Undoubtedly similar to before. But the story at least will probably be better, and that's what I'm really looking forward to.
Re:Yes, movie will be better - here's why (Score:2)
Re:Yes, movie will be better - here's why (Score:4, Funny)
This is the guy who reinterpreted "the greatest star pilot in the galaxy" to mean a seven year old kid who goes "yippie!" He doesn't have to stick to anything that he said in the previous films. He could quite easily decide that Luke is Anakin's clone, Amidala is Mon Mothma, and that Chewie is Jabba's son.
Also on the O.C. Tonight: New Beck (Score:3, Informative)
Never saw the O.C., but I will tonight. Beck will be premiering 4 or 5 cuts from his unreleased new albums.
Off topic, I know, but I don't give a damn. This one should be worth watching.
Re:Also on the O.C. Tonight: New Beck (Score:3, Insightful)
mature theme (Score:2)
No, but.... (Score:3, Funny)
Surprising (Score:2)
He said it... (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, he said it
My cynical opinion (Score:3, Insightful)
Ugh! Can Lucas destroy Episode VI any further? (Score:5, Funny)
We all remember Episodes I - III with fond memories from our childhood, and they seemed to have stood up well to the test of time. The slowly building arc of Anakin's fall from the dark side against the backdrop of the crumbling republic made for some good cinema. Sure, there were a few mistakes (Jar Jar), but none as annoying as the new trilogy (Episode IV-VI) that Lucas started producing a few years ago.
Compare: The multi-facetted Anakin vs the rather shallow Luke who has the depth of the average parking lot puddle. Or what about this 'Han Solo' character which seems right out of a John Wayne western? Instead of political intrigue, we have straight shoot-em-up space battles. And don't get me started on the third movie -- according to the leaks, not only is it going to have Luke blowing up the Death Star yet again, but it will have these cute cuddly teddy bear aliens that are an obvious ploy to appeal to the youngsters.
Lucas! Stop raping my childhood! Ugh, you should have stopped with Episode III back in the 80s. How dare you ruin all that was good in your quest for more money!
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Re:Ugh! Can Lucas destroy Episode VI any further? (Score:3, Funny)
And we haven't yet seen him in episodes 4-6, have we? In fact there's not a single representative of his race to be found anywhere.
That must by why Episode 3 is going to get a PG-13 rating -- due to the scenes of the entire Gungan civilization getting demolished, disemboweled, and defenestrated in graphic detail.
BEST. STARWARS. MOVIE. EVER.
Re: Ugh! Can Lucas destroy Episode VI any further? (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyway, just what I was thinking. People have extremely rose-coloured memories. It's only natural! It's almost impossible to objectively judge something that you've known and loved (or hated) for so long.
Okay, so Jar-Jar was an annoying twat. But then C3PO was also an annoying twat, just a slightly different sort of annoying twat, one who's overlaid by years of warm fuzzy feelings. I wish I could compare the two of them fairly, but I can't. Like a lot of people, I see the former as execrable, and the latter as loveable; however, if I were coming fresh to them both, would I still see them that way round? I don't know. But maybe it's a useful exercise trying to guess.
Re:Ugh! Can Lucas destroy Episode VI any further? (Score:3, Informative)
Lucas claims that the studio did not want "Episode IV" in the title (confusing to the audience etc), so for the initial release it was not.
However, for later prints AFTER it had become a box office smash, it was added.
They also remixed the audio at least 3 times for the in
Maybe... (Score:2)
Boycott Episode III - The Only Sensible Action (Score:4, Insightful)
- It'll do well enough without my money. LucasFilm doesn't pay attention to customers today; giving them more money on opening weekend won't change that.
- There's almost no chance that the theatre version will be the same version released to DVD or in any other form in the future. Why become attached to an unfinished version of the film?
- Hear the true reviews. I don't mean shills like my local newspaper reviewer, but the sci-fi fan sites that have similar values in film as mine. Will seeing the movie further ruin my appreciation of Star Wars and Empire? That's a bigger concern than whether this episode is any good.
- Inevitability of Boredom or Disappointment. We know what will happen in the sequels, yet after two attempts no plots or characters have been developed in the first two prequels that I really care about. More than likely any "surprises" will undermine the movies that follow.
I'm posting this on slashdot in case enough disappointed fans and geeks will join me in waiting at least a month after the debut to go see the film. I can't deny there's a curiousity about how this story will be finished, but my expectations are set very low and really only amount to knowing whether it will expectorate, urinate, or defecate on Episodes 4-6.Movie ratings are based on irrational fear (Score:4, Insightful)
If you believe that I've got a really nice bridge I need to get rid of and I'm willing to sell it to you on the cheap.
I'm 32 years old and I don't think I've ever seen anything as a child or teenager in any movie or television program that ever warped my psyche or damaged my character. Yet the superstition persists that children need to be "protected" from seeing two people have sex, or from seeing violence, hearing certain words uttered, or any other number of other things that parents and society in general have irrational fears about. What I find most absurd is that things like movies are presumed to have an almost magical hypnotic influence over the young, while their real life experinces are not nearly so obessed about. If you're going to worry about your kids, worry about the example that you set for them, the things that they see YOU do, not whether they listen to Britney Spears, Howard Stern, or see an R rated movie.
When I was younger I believed that society's treatment of the young was a case of intentional malice. As I grew older I came to realize that society was not out to oppress anyone per se, rather people are as a general rule really, really stupid and have a memory about as long as their little finger. The ludicrous myths and superstititons about what it means to be a child that get passed around as fact by those who only 20 or 30 years ago were children themselves would be hilarious if everyone didn't actually believe them.
It is becoming more and more clear to me that civilization is carried on the backs of the relative handful who aren't tragically dumb. Everyone else is merely along for the ride.
Lee
Missing the Target Audience (Score:3, Insightful)
I think the largest demographic that enjoyed Ep 1 and 2 are under 13. I know my 7 year old nephew enjoyed them a lot more than I did.
The older generation (that enjoyed Ep 4-6 when they were 30 years younger) has been alienated by the new movies.
I was able to accept the new movies, knowing that they weren't meant for me, they were meant for the kids to enjoy, just like I enjoyed the others.
It is disappointing that the new generation that DID enjoy Ep 1 & 2, and eagerly await Ep 3, will not (or rather, should not) get to see it for a while.
Stop ripping starwars... (Score:4, Insightful)
- The Pacifier
- Be Cool
- Hitch
- Diary of a Mad Black Woman
- Million Dollar Baby
- Constantine
- Cursed
- Man of the House
- Because of Winn-Dixie
- The Jacket
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather see any of the prequels over any of these movies any day.The torrent: (Score:5, Informative)
Great News (Score:3, Funny)
Re:who cares about a rating (Score:2)
Re:It won't be as good (Score:3, Funny)
I would do that, but do you know what its like to convince these people that "No, there's not tiny little people hidden in the big box." or "No, I'm not your messiah", or "No, I don't taste good, please don't eat me?"
Re:SPOILER: PADAME DIES IN EPISODE THREE (Score:3, Funny)
I'm sure Padme is just fine at the end of Ep III.