Cell Phone as e-Book Reader (in Japan) 136
aussie_a writes "Reading books on your cell phone has become the latest feature in Japan. With games, e-mails and the news already standard features, the Japanese cell-phone is more then just a phone. Novels are downloaded in segments and are run as Java-based applications on the phone. But users can do much more then just read the book, they are able to search for books, write reviews and send fan mail to the authors."
Good For Scrolls (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Good For Scrolls (Score:2, Interesting)
anyone that
japanese characters
are ideograms and
takes up about
two english
letters on a
cell phone?
(same applys
to chinese,
korean, etc)
Good Point (Score:1)
set @pedantic = 1 (Score:4, Interesting)
Korean characters are not ideograms, except when they borrow chinese ones for names and hard words. They're phonetic, and a very elegant system it is -- or was, until the inevitable blurring and decay.
They were founded on Confucian principles -- 'male' sounds stick up and 'female' sounds lie passively underneath them. Gotta love that Confucianism @_@
Japanese characters are often ideograms, but to be honest the text is no more than maybe 1.5 times the density of English, for colloquial dialog. I think the key might be that the users are train passengers reading pulp novels, so that:
1 -- there isn't room to open a book
2 -- you don't really need to backtrack and appreciate the structure and rhythm
Re:set @pedantic = 1 (Score:1)
I'm chinese, studying Japanese, and all I know about Korean is what they post up on wikimedia
Re:set @pedantic = 1 (Score:1)
Re:set @pedantic = 1 (Score:1)
Legend? I thought it was pretty much accepted that the King Sejong commissioned creation of Korean alphabet, which changed only in minor aspects over 400 years.
Now, granted, there were other attempts to devise a Korean writing system (including something called Yidoo, which is nothing more than using Chinese characters in phonetic fasion, I believe), and creation of Hangeul was probably nothing like coming up with so
Re:set @pedantic = 1 (Score:2)
Egh... you really don't have a single clue how Korean written system works, do you? Now, you are correct in saying that Koreans eliminated Chinese characters in their writing, pretty much. However, that, in itself, has nothing to do with Japanese occupation. I'll have you know that at the time when Hangeul was created, it was not accepted widely. It was called "Eonmoon", "co
Re:Good For Scrolls (Score:3, Interesting)
BTW - reading on Palm is a sheer pleasure for me now (I've read several rather big books in the last couple of months). Beats paper books all the time. With RTA-like
Re:Good For Scrolls (Score:2)
Re:Good For Scrolls (Score:1, Insightful)
No, THIS is how they look like (Score:4, Interesting)
The image is here [ag0ny.com]. This is a 1Mbyte JPEG file, be warned.
As you can see, this is more than enough to read a book, specially if it's written in Japanese.
Re:No, THIS is how they look like (Score:1)
I'd translate more, but the right half of the text is not shown.
Re:Good For Scrolls (Score:2)
I don't exactly have a top-of-the-line phone here, but I read the news on it all the time. I'd prefer a PocketPC, but this'd do in a pinch.
Kinda hard to read on the ol' nokia 3390 (Score:1, Insightful)
Maybe good for a Haiku, but that's it...
Re:Kinda hard to read on the ol' nokia 3390 (Score:1)
mistakes (Score:2, Interesting)
"the Japanese cell-phone is more then just a phone" -- should be than
In any case, that's lame that it runs as a J2ME app. I read stuff right now on my phone, and it's straight html and you can actually work with it, where the Jap J2ME apps are probably drm'ed to hell and back.
I'll stick with my html, and there are plenty of PDF to html converters.
Eats, shoots, and leaves? (Score:3, Funny)
Or: "The Japanese cell phone is more! Then: just a phone"
Re:mistakes (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:mistakes (Score:2)
Re:mistakes (Score:2)
I suppose this is just more proof that Japanese people are more open to new technology than Westerners.
Re:mistakes (Score:2)
Jup, but these J2ME apps allow some e-book reading enhancements like auto-scrolling and such.
Old News (Score:2, Funny)
To small? (Score:4, Informative)
I think that a mobile phone will have far to small screen. Even if you have a 7" screen, you can't display more than a few lines of text at once! A book has superior resolution, no expiry date, can lend it away and such. I see none of those features on a mobile phone.
The day we can have a a5-sized sheet of e-paper, with a small 20g heavy data module, then maybe can e-books take off. But a book is something everyone know, it's universally, needs nothing but light, and works fine.
Re:To small? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:To small? (Score:1)
Re:To small? (Score:2)
Okay, I am starting to get tired of this argument now. Yes, Chinese characters are more efficient than Roman ones. Yes, they communicate more information per given space. This does not matter. English is still readable on a cell phone. I have been reading books for over a year and a half on two cell phones using Opera. It is more than a little readable. In fac
Re:To small? (Score:1, Insightful)
Do you always set your font size to 50pt? Most phones these days give your a very comfortable newspaper-like column to look at.
A book has superior resolution
True, so why don't you print out your web pages before reading them to take advantage of 600dpi or whatever your printer is capable of?
no expiry date
Stick to txt - there are plenty of works available in plain txt.
can lend it away and such
To borrow a phras
Re:To small? (Score:2)
Re:To small? (Score:1)
here's an ancient but perfect example: MicroReader [c2i.net] - I've been using it for ages.. btw: lowest font size gets you about 14 rows - very usable at ~12 rows...
Re:To small? (Score:2)
Re:To small? (Score:2)
My phone is basically a PDA with a wireless modem inside it. It has a similar sized screen to an IPAQ. I can get a pretty reasonable amount of text on the screen, certainly enough to make it useable. And with my 1GB memory card, I can carry pretty much an entire bookcase around in my pocket.
Re:To small? (Score:2)
Also, while the idea that Japanese cellphones are vastly technologically superior to phones everywhere else was true 5 years ago, there is less and less that is incredibly amazing about Japanese cell phones. Now that everyone has color screens and can use their cellphones to connect to the Internet and pretty cellphones are being sold outside of Japan, file transfer speed is probably the only advantage. Truthfully, I was disappointed the last time I went to Japan.
Large screen cellphones are available
Re:To small? Say WHAT? Too small? (Score:1)
http://www.vodafone.jp/english/products/kisyu/v402 sh/index.html [vodafone.jp]
distributed by Vodafone. My phone allows reading of e-books. I just recently figured out how to find the hidden folder (it's on the mini SD card in Kanji, so I had to sprinkle files here and there and put the card back into my phone and then drill into e-Books until the file showed up in a list.
Here is how my text appears, 7 words across 13 lines down.
----------
Perhaps if the whole DVD region encoding
scheme
Re:To small? (Score:1)
Re: Too small? (Score:2)
I have a big library (~3 bookcases' worth of novels, short stories, &c) on my Psion 5mx, and even on its 640x240, 5.5"x2" screen, I find reading novels perfectly comfortable. It's true you need to 'turn the page' more often than a dead-tree book, but when that just involves pressing the space bar or tapping the screen, it's really not an issue. You can choose font and size, of course, and with the backlight you can read in bed with the lights off!
Of course, a very small scre
Going blind... (Score:4, Funny)
*previous page* *next page*
Yeah, with all that text on the screen... (Score:1)
CONTENT:
vulnerable years my
*previous page* *next page*
Forgot a use (Score:2, Funny)
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_207728.html?
Re:Forgot a use (Score:3, Funny)
I, for one. (Score:2, Funny)
"In a ho"
le in the gr
(then I thumb the arrow button)
ound lived a "
hobbit.
I figure my thumb will implode by the time the poor dwarves get taunted at Rivendell.
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Cellphone Edition: (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I, for one. (Score:1)
Re:I, for one. (Score:2)
Which is why e-books have auto scroll and/or autopage features; the Palm ebook readers have had auto-scroll for years.
e-books are convenient. They're difficult to read, but the one thing I found annoying was that it's very hard to flip back in the book to find some reference you might have missed. Like reading Anna Karenina, there's so many people coming and going you have to keep going back to see who all these people
Re:I, for one. (Score:2)
Really? Funny, when I had a Rocket eBook the search function was probably the most useful feature. "Bob? Who's Bob?" *Search upwards for Bob* "Oh, thats who!" Click return to bookmark.
No more flipping pages for me!
Of course if you dropped it you were out $300, so I can see why it never caught on
Re:I, for one. (Score:2)
Re:I, for one. (Score:2)
I have since replaced it and my Samsung A620 cellphone with a Treo 600 smarth phone and I'm currently on book 9 of 10 of Roger Zelazny's Amber series.
I prefer reading on my PDA now as it's so much more convenient.
So... (Score:1)
(Although it should probably be "Cell Phone as e-Book Reader...in Japan!")
Seriously, are these e-Books PDFs? If so I can probably write mine in XSL-FO [w3.org], use FOP [apache.org] to make one of these, and then see my work on cellphones. That'd be sweet.
Books belong on paper (Score:1)
Re:Books belong on paper (Score:2)
Of course it's Sony, so it's locked down with DRM and a proprietary format noone else uses but as they apparently have changed their ways recently (They opened up Blu-Ray and it even s
Re:Books belong on paper (Score:3, Interesting)
Offers much more information, for example:
One much-repeated fallacy about the Librie is that power is used only for turning pages. While it is true that the "ink" particles stay in position without consuming power, the electronic innards do drain the juice, hence the inclusion of a standby mode. Nevertheless, the three AAA batteries used to power the Librie should stretch to an impressive 10,000 page
Re:Books belong on paper (Score:2)
Your parenthetical comment is spot on -- the Librie's display technology is certainly something to watch, but the Librie itself sucks.
The display is very slow to update, which is theoretically fine for a book, but Sony doesn't seem to have taken this into account at all when designing the user-interface -- it's constantly trying to display conventional GUI elements
Re:Books belong on paper (Score:1)
Having said that, reading on a cell-phone is insane.
This is such a wonderfull idea (Score:2)
an online serachable library that you can pick and choose from on the train or in the park
Re:This is such a wonderfull idea (Score:1)
1. there is a removable media card
2. the phone permits you to see the content on your card and external computer
3. the content is not encrypted.
See:
http://www.vodafone.jp/english/products/index.html [vodafone.jp]
and, for a lineup:
http://www.vodafone.jp/english/products/domestic.h tml [vodafone.jp]
(I have the older v402-SH...)
But, if you want to enjoy hand-motion in a game, see:
http://www.vodafone.jp/english/products/kisyu/v603 sh/index.html [vodafone.jp]
Now, if only the US markets use JAN o
Re: (Score:1)
Re:Even so... (Score:2)
My phone is more portable than a book, plus I've always got it with me. I think there are 3/4 books on it right now. Handy for 10 min killing waiting for a taxi/bus etc.
c) made out of recyclable materials
That phrase always makes me laugh. So what if something is recyclable? How is that any good for anyone? Toilet paper is recyclable, but you don't see folk putting it in a special coloured bin. Books should be passed on and not disposed of anyway, though perhaps that's what you meant.
Plus
Re:Even so... (Score:1)
Only in US... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd use it with a little improvement (Score:3, Insightful)
Still might be nice to have for when standing in line somewhere and you've forgotten to bring a novel or magazine.
I assume someday soon cell-phones will be powerful enough to transcribe voice accurately enough that you could navigate around on the net reasonably enough or even get some work done.
This does give me an idea for making a cell-phone friendly version for people reading my Blogs.
Books on small devices (Score:1)
The essentials are a decent legible font and the ability to save plenty of bookmarks.
In this case, the Vx made it easier to find time to read in traveling or other situations when I wouldn't normally be carrying an actual book.
Bah (Score:3, Interesting)
I've got an iPaq 6315, and one of the reasons I purchased it was to read E-books on my way to work. I used to use a old Palm to do the same thing, but I like the screen on the iPaq more, and it's one less gadget to carry around.
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Still, I prefer my cellphone as a seperate entity...it's so much handier for when I need to relay information to someone on the other end of the phone.
So what? (Score:1, Troll)
Cell phones can do just about anything now, and a little more. They should rather explain why they still call them "phones"...
(In Japan) (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:(In Japan) (Score:2)
http://www.eink.com/news/releases/pr70.html [eink.com]
Its in my list and not giving up my 7650 just like you of course
Also there is a chance that whoever (Reuters,AP?) got that story to whole World is speaking about that device.
It seems obvious to me how this would work best (Score:4, Interesting)
Handsfree would be an asset, as holding the phone up to your ear for that long might be tiring, or if you're stupid enough to drive and use one, cause accidents.
text-to-speech technology isn't designed for this (Score:2)
Downloading entire books read by a human in an audio format isn't practical either, as audio files that long tend to be several hundred megabytes, and flash media isn't exactly cheap either.
Re:It seems obvious to me how this would work best (Score:1)
Re:It seems obvious to me how this would work best (Score:3, Insightful)
You know...I hate to burst your bubble, but there's this thing called "audio books" where you can listen to recordings of people reading your books. There's also a website called Audible.com that lets you download these for your iPod.
reading e-books (Score:1)
DNA said it best... (Score:1)
wow (Score:1, Interesting)
All Series 60 phones have 176x208 screen which fits about 70-80 English words - no
Yes you can... (Score:1)
Why did I do this? Because it lets me store and read when I'm travelling, at airports, train stations, everywhere I'm hanging around. And no bulgy
No thanks (Score:1)
Japanese makes it all possible. (Score:2)
Here in the United States, people seem more content to haul around laptops, like this Powerb
Re:Japanese makes it all possible. (Score:1)
Heh, some phones have it for years already (Score:2)
In Russia (Score:1, Informative)
Have a look at http://bookshelf.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] if you need a book reader for your cell phone.
Saw it a few days ago. (Score:1)
Been doing this for ages (Score:1)
With Symbian phones, like the Nokia 6600 there is ReadM. With my V600 I use Tequilacat BookReader. I currently have all the Harry Potter books and all the Hitchhiker's Guide books on my V600, and I really do use it to read, quite often.
Well..this just proves.. (Score:1)
Re:Well..this just proves.. (Score:1)
Jimmy
Re:Well..this just proves.. (Score:1)
Jimmy
Not that original (Score:2)
I suppose it's kinda neat that non-PDA phones can read books this way, but downloading bits at a time? The way American phone companies gouge you for data usage, fees would pile up quick.
Symbian or Java phones have plenty of readers (Score:1)
Reading books on a Treo (Score:2)
Project Gutenberg has plenty of textfile novels ripe for reading. Cory Doctorow's stuff is also pretty good. I read his Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom [craphound.com] entirely on my cell.
Another handy resource is the University of Virginia Library's Etext Center [virginia.edu], which has 1800 freely-available eBooks.
Re:Reading books on a Treo (Score:2)
http://www.mikebrotherton.com/novels/index.html [mikebrotherton.com]
Hopefully there'll be a nicer version of the
John Mark Ockerbloom's Onlinebooks page is the best collection / search engine for free etexts I've yet found:
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/ [upenn.edu]
William
Big whoop. (Score:2)
Free bookreader (Score:1)
http://tequilacat.nm.ru/dev/br/index-en.html [tequilacat.nm.ru]
Tha small screen makes the reading quite a bit slower than usual. On the other hand it's very handy to have a good book with you anytime you get bored. And there is a lot of free books availible for download on the p2p networks.
Newspaper reading! (Score:2)
Think about it: newspapers (printed ones) have narrow columns and short paragraphs. All the important info is at the top of the story. That's the perfect thing to be reading on your cell phone. In fact, that's what I do on my Treo... the first thing I do every morning is sync a copy of the Sydney Morning Herald.
I reckon that a forward-looking newspaper could sell versions of their newspapers especially for cell phones. However, it
King PDA is dead! Long live King Keitai! (Score:2)
Re:King PDA is dead! Long live King Keitai! (Score:2)
I feel like going deeper into the list of amazing and weird features it does have...
Over a Year and a Half... (Score:2)
I have been doing this for over a year and a half on both my P800 and my A780. They both have Opera, and I just strip Project Gutenberg [promo.net] eTexts or other [sourceforge.net] books down and break them into chapters. As long as the HTML formatting does not specify width, the page should display fine on any small screen. (The script I use is at SourceForge [sourceforge.net]).
This can be done on any phone or PDA that has any kind of web browser. Even PocketIE can handle simple pages (although it cannot use CSS and it loads pages slowly). Thi
what if... (Score:1)
Re:Two words (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I knew them japs where crazy bout gadgets... (Score:2)
Re:I knew them japs where crazy bout gadgets... (Score:1)
And if you DO try to use logic even though it's got nothing to do with what people choose to be offended by, yours here doesn't work. If you say, "It's not a slur; it's just short for 'Japanese,'" then, what might you call a Nigerian?
And ac
Re:I knew them japs where crazy bout gadgets... (Score:2)
A Nig?
Re:I knew them japs where crazy bout gadgets... (Score:1)
Of course, if it does, it will probably be too expensive for a "book"