Would You Pass the Information Literacy Test? 356
Grundelfeldsten writes "The Educational Testing Service -- the maker of the SAT and the GMAT -- has a new test called the Information and Communication literacy assessment. The test is designed to measure your "ability to make sense of the multiple streams of information that our computers throw at us every day," according to a Wired News reporter who just took it and described the process. The questions focus on completing tasks with Internet technologies, like using search engines efficiently and weeding out irrelevant email messages. Are such tasks really tied to technology? Or is "Information and Communication literacy" just a way for ETS to make money by selling more tests?"
Flash, popups, cookies (Score:5, Informative)
restrict cookies. That's some of the most pointless web site coding I've ever seen.
Congratulations (Score:5, Funny)
Avoiding flash, popups and cookies gives you IT_literacy++.
Re:Congratulations (Score:5, Insightful)
Seems like a valid office worker test to me. And, obviously more important, a money-making need to promote that they can fill.
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Re:Congratulations (Score:2)
Looked a bit smaller to me, but then my monitor at home runs at 1280x1024, rather than whatever they decided to design the site for...
Re:Congratulations (Score:2)
on an 800*600 laptop screen no possibility of using any of the buttons.
Really The site appears to be designed by a half wit.
Can anyone take this site seriously with such poor design of the site?
http://www.ecdl.com/main/index.php [ecdl.com] European Computing Driving Licience
Similar aims but a better site.
Re:Flash, popups, cookies (Score:3, Insightful)
For professional websites, you should use as much static html as possible. Flash should mostly be used for entertainment, especially the type of entertainment that appeals to stoned kids at 3 AM.
Re:They fail their own test! (Score:3, Insightful)
"But I probably did get docked for forgetting to send an attachment with the e-mail as required by the test question."
Haven't the ETS people learned yet? Sending an unsolicited attachment with your E-mail message is the best way of ensuring that said message hits the bit-bucket unread. (At least, if your recipient has enough brains to hit the floor with their hat...)
The reporter passed the test. ETS flunks.
in aus (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:in aus (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:in aus (Score:2)
Most people (I imagine) would simply type a keyword or two into Google and see what happens...
What are they missing?
Re:in aus (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:in aus (Score:4, Interesting)
"Are such tasks tied to technology" (Score:5, Interesting)
The typical computer user gets online, checks his email, checks his stock prices, then gets back to his real life. Our real life revolves around computers, so such minimal usage seems strange and scary to us. However, it is actually what most users do.
You'd be surprised to learn that the computer usage scenario of the "real person" I described above is actually that of a "Power User". The typical person can barely turn the computer on, much less open Outlook Express without help from one of these Power Users. So, in fact, this test is useful as a step in the process of weeding out non-computer oriented hires.
Re:"Are such tasks tied to technology" (Score:5, Insightful)
In my opinion, to be "IT literate" you should be able to transfer skills between applications. Thats what the test ought to be looking for..
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Re:"Are such tasks tied to technology" (Score:2)
If that is true, then everyone in sales, management, and Marketing here would fail. they whined and called the help desk non-stop for 2 weeks when we upgraded from windows NT 4 to Windows 2000. and I dread the nightmare that will be the move to XP and it's hide everything from you interface defaults.
I STILL get people saying that their software was deleted and do no
Re:"Are such tasks tied to technology" (Score:5, Insightful)
EXACTLY!
I don't know how many times I've been working with someone, and they're perfectly proficient in Word, Excel, and all the other crap that came with their computer. But when they want me to explain a new feature, and I say "Pick BAR from the FOO menu and select QUUX from the BAZ list" or something like that, they have no idea what to do and want me to point at things to click.
It's like being computer-fluent instead of computer-proficient. I can be a little proficient at Spanish, and have conversations about relatively tame topics, but if I'm fluent I can pick up pretty easily on other topics as well. It's the same with computers: many people have a very limited "vocabulary" of skills, but they can't extend it to other applications or situations.
Re:"Are such tasks tied to technology" (Score:2)
I think the reason I, and many other, computer literate people are good with computers is because we've used so many different programs, and have been ab
Re:"Are such tasks tied to technology" (Score:5, Funny)
A couple of years ago, I worked with a developer who didn't know the "shortcut" key for build and I thought that was bad... little did I know...
Just yesterday, I watched a "programmer" fix a function on an object with a member named nSize. The function took parameter nSize1 and never set the member.
How does my coworker fix this? He selects nSize from the declaration with the mouse (already, I'm annoyed) and then right clicks to select "copy"...
Then, he scrolls down to the function definition, using the mouse and the scroll bar (not the wheel) and clicks where he's gonna insert the assignment... Then, he uses the keyboard to hit return and tab to put the cursor in the right spot (both hands on the keyboard for this). Then, back to the mouse, right click: "paste".
Ok, so now I'm really annoyed, the amount of text above was typed in about the amount of time he took to do all of this - and "nSize" really isn't all that hard to type, right?
It gets better... He switches both hands back to the keyboard, types a space and hits the "=" key (again, both hands) then, back to the mouse...
What he did next almost caused my head to explode...
You and I both know he's got "nSize" in memory, just waiting to be pasted again, then it's pretty easy to append the number 1 on it... But no, he has to actually select the parameter from the function definition, right click: copy, move the cursor back to the line of code he's trying to write, right click: paste, then type the semi-colon (this is C#).
Holy crap - that's a helluva lotta work for:
nSize = nSize1;
I didn't change the variable name to protect the innocent. This really is the line of code he used the mouse to write.
Of course, this guy uses the mouse to do everything - but seriously, he's been coding for at least five years - does it take that long to learn how to type? Much less use ctrl-c / ctrl-v...
</rant>
-bs
Oh, that's not the worst. (Score:3, Interesting)
Why, oh why, is this paradigm so hard to imagine? Take the (Monitor, Computer, Keyboard) tuple, and map it to the (Television, DVD Player, Remote Control) tuple. Why, exactly, is the latter so much easier to understand than the former?
Bah. Pet peeve of mine.
More on-topic, folks back in school used to blin
Re:Oh, that's not the worst. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:"Are such tasks tied to technology" (Score:4, Insightful)
Many many people think I am incredibly smart (though unable to spell worth a damn) because I can set the clocks on most appliances and cars. You know why? (well, you probably do) Because as far as I can tell, there are only 3 major methods for doing so.
There's the one where you press a "set" button, and then look for 2 buttons close to each other that could be hours and minutes.
Or, there's the one that you press a set button, and then hold in the other button that goes up by minutes slowly to say 5, then starts counting by 5's, then at 30 by 30's etc...
Or there's the one where you just hit the hour button and then the minute button.
This is a simple example, but I mean, all GM cars since at least 1989 use the SAME radio/clock interface. Yet most of my family has to be taught again how the cruise control works, how to reset the clock etc... when they get a new car.
I harp on and on about concepts rather than specific buttons to push, but it's hopeless. They just don't get it.
I mean, my parents ask me in every single program if they press the upper right hand X to close it. I'm ready to hit myself in the head!
Re:"Are such tasks tied to technology" (Score:2)
Sample Question (Score:5, Funny)
A) Choose an honest and accurate option
B) Choose an obviously ridiculous option
C) Do not answer, and complain that your preferred option was unavailable.
D) Refuse to answer, citing moral, philosophical opposition to the poll itself.
E) CowboyNeal
Re:Sample Question (Score:2)
Had this been an authenthic and current Slashdot poll, you would instead gripe about the lack of a CowboyNeal option.
Re:Sample Question (Score:3, Funny)
If you do this then you should obviously vote D
C) Do not answer, and complain that your preferred option was unavailable.
Who would vote for this! Bit hypocritical? (same applied for D
So you can only technically answer A and E.
hence,
COWBOYNEAL
Re:Sample Question (Score:3, Funny)
But I do have genuine moral, philosophical opposition to the poll, you insensitive clod.
Re:Sample Question (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Sample Question (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:Sample Question (Score:2, Funny)
G) Boobies!
Re:Sample Question (Score:2)
Insensitive clod! (Score:3, Funny)
Please don't tease the trolls.
wrong test (Score:5, Funny)
Re:wrong test (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you misspelled 'advertisements'
To heck with abilities... Vocabulary! (Score:2)
And anyone else feel the great frustration of teaching their mother how to do a "double-click" and how long it took for them to pick it up?
tasks not technology (Score:5, Insightful)
The ETS people at least understand one thing many employers don't: the important computer skills are independent of the various tools used to carry them out. We've all heard (or experienced) horror stories of applicants being turned down for a web developer position because they don't have experience with a specific piece of software (Dreamweaver, for example). Many employers can't grok the fact that someone who knows how to code pages in a text editor will learn Dreamweaver or whatever in-house application is being used in 10 or 15 minutes. Someone who is competent at database admin will be equally competent with MySQL, dBase, or - the most common case - the customized proprietary software that only exists at your company. It's time employers stopped looking at paper certs for competency with specific pieces of software and started looking at actual skills. Maybe ETS can help them do that.
Re:tasks not technology (Score:2)
It can't be the right way, it's too little, too broad, too not good for anything
It's not that simple (Score:3, Insightful)
However, as someone who knows 12 programming languages and takes about four hours to learn a new one, let me just tell you that I spent the last week learning a language tied to a proprietary product.
It's totally different; it has its own features that nothing else does, and there are about 10 different manuals describing it.
I might also add that while the SQL specification can be written on two 8.5x11 sheets, the manual for Oracle is a 600 page book. Obviously it has a little more function
Re:It's not that simple (Score:2)
Umm, the size of the manual proves nothing. Take your 2 page SQL specification in one hand, and I'll write 4 pages on the use of the SQL SELECT statement. Does this prove that SELECT has more features than all of SQL (including SELECT) put together?
If a concise specification for C is shorter than
Re:tasks not technology (Score:3, Funny)
What? there's an other way? Now you tell me.
Re:tasks not technology (Score:5, Insightful)
However, as someone who's had to switch between apps many, many times, I'd say that it takes a whole lot more than 10-15 minutes to get up to speed on a new technology. The concepts of good SQL structure may remain the same between databases, and you'll be able to get to a basic competent level, but 'show tables' just doesn't work in Oracle (one possibile replacement is 'SELECT TABLE_NAME FROM ALL_TABLES WHERE OWNER='schema name'). Learning the syntax differences between languages takes some time -- figuring out how you have to handle specific tasks, and the refinements between the different apps (eg, some languages may optimize different logic patterns, so one style of loop may be faster in LanguageA, while a different type of loop is faster in LanguageB.)
I'd say that there's a good chance that if the person is truly competent in one application, they'll be competent in another similar application
Re:tasks not technology (Score:5, Insightful)
You ask a school teacher why 40% of their budget is spent on microsoft products, and the only answer is: "That's what the industry uses, we'd be failing our kids if we taught them anything else". Hence our kids come out knowing MS Word, not word processing, MS Excel, not spreadsheets, and so on, and those kids will be buying MS software for life.
The comparisons are easy: Imagine a school that taught how to use BIC biro, not how to write, a school that taught B&Q tools, not woodwork, how to use Nike sports gear...
Re:tasks not technology (Score:2)
Re:tasks not technology (Score:3, Insightful)
Better to waste millions/billions of taxpayer money on indoctrinating our children than go out on a limb, even for better education. Of course, windows admins are cheap and 'linux is hard' (meaning I have wasted countless hours on windows, i'm not doing it again), becuase of the culture of windows... which the school is recreating in a vicious circle.
One day, perhaps the FLOSS community can break the circle of 'nothin
Re:tasks not technology (Score:3, Informative)
I'd like you to find a school teacher who says that 40% of their budget is spent on Microsoft products. If you do, I'll show you a liar. There's no way the enti
I took this during trial period at my college (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I took this during trial period at my college (Score:4, Funny)
Honestly. (Score:5, Insightful)
Gosh, no, is that the impression you got? Jesus. When a private corporation expands its offerings in order to generate sales, they're always doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Why, if it had anything to do with making money it'd be
Companies have a right to make money. That's why they're there.
A right? (Score:2, Insightful)
Nobody has the right to make money.
Re:A right? (Score:2, Insightful)
i think you're getting confused. Companies have a duty to make money (that's what they're for). They even have rights pursuant to activities surrounding the making of money. They do not have the right to make money, otherwise they could sit and do nothing and then demand taxpayer cash from the government because their rights were being infringed.
And that doesn't happen these days? ;) (Don't look at the defense industry!)
Re:Honestly. (Score:2)
The idea is that it might be a decent test, but we need the numbers to prove it. If you were a manager looking to use this test, check with a qualified I/O psychologist or psychome
Wow (Score:5, Interesting)
I can handle multiple streams of information just fine, but one bloated verbose thing obviously wipes me out.
I can really see the bias now that everyone talks about. I'm perfectly fine at processing large amount of information if I can read it in chunks. But this wordy spaghetti academic writing is too confusing for me. I had a flashback to the reading comprehension sections of the tests in school where I had to read over the same paragraph a dozen times before I could figure it out.
I can see how I did so awful in college, but am doing great in the real world.
Re:Wow (Score:2, Insightful)
In the real world, it's okay to ask questions and ask for help.
This isn't about teamwork which is also important, it's about getting your work done quickly so that we can make money. We don't make money if you're afraid to ask questions.
Re:Wow (Score:4, Funny)
So can we ;)
Re:Wow (Score:2)
You mean /.? That doesn't count.
OK, you're right: much of the real world doesn't require the ability to read above an 8th-grade level. But some of the most interesting and enriching parts do.
Oooh an other standardized test. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Oooh an other standardized test. (Score:2, Insightful)
That isn't even the end of my rant. If you can't discuss coherently, at least discuss with topicality. No one is trying to reduce your worth as a human being into a single number. They are trying to reduce your 21st century info
Re:Oooh an other standardized test. (Score:2)
Re:Oooh an other standardized test. (Score:2)
Not to mention:
skill - it works when you put it back together
not sure what you'd call this one - not worrying about that leftover spring that doesn't go anywhere but the thing still works flawlessly without it.
Re:Oooh an other standardized test. (Score:5, Funny)
I'm wondering; did you mean demential (in a state of dementia) or dimensional (having a measure of extent)? I think they both fit just as well in today's IT world!
Re:Oooh an other standardized test. (Score:2)
Re:Oooh an other standardized test. (Score:2)
Computer Literacy (Score:5, Insightful)
She would never pass a test like this. She thinks that AOL is the internet. She also thinks that it is great that there is lots of free (as in spyware, not beer or speech) software out there like gator and comet cursor.
I think that she is an excellent example of a real, average computer user.
Re:Computer Literacy (Score:2)
nice. Underrated for sure. if only I had mod points...
Practice (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd rather see a real assessment of the skills required to successfully use a computer as part of regular life - then test for these skills such as pattern matching, ability to follow complex instructions...
It's much more fair on people who have less computer access and more to the point, weeds out those who have real potential to do the job with a bit of instruction from those who will never do these things particularly well.
I'm also working on the idea of putting together a primer for people who don't understand what computers are for. They're often sold as appliances but with the multitude of functions they are supposed to have now, they obviously must be quite complex. Explaining the basics in clear language (including why we need such weird jargon) might help get people started on the right track instead of confusing themselves into a frenzy.
Re:Practice (Score:5, Insightful)
Judging from my experience, it's a mixture of curiosity (enjoying tinkering) and courage (not being afraid to try out things). And most of the time, what those who don't get along well with computers etc. and don't pick up any knowledge even after using them for years are missing is courage - people who never do anything they don't already know about will never learn anything new.
Of course, I can understand that people value their data and don't want to lose any of it, but it seems that the less knowledge people have with regard to computers, the more outright paranoid they get.
It's kind of a vicious circle really (ignorance produces fear, and fear prevents tinkering and thus - indirectly - knowledge), and I'm not sure how to break out of it. The idea that software has to be "dumbed down" until even the most clueless person can use it without ever having to check the manual/online help/whatever seems good at first glance, but it also limits what you can and cannot do, and gives you the impression that you in fact DO know everything there is to know when you don't, thus robbing you of the ability (or at least making it more difficult) to learn more.
Re:Practice (Score:2, Interesting)
People always ask me how I learned so much about computers and my simple answer is "I break them and then I fix them." That simple statement s
Re:Practice (Score:2)
Overload, capacity, and interest. People can't know everything, so they choose some things and deal with those. If they can borrow your brain and experience to do things they aren't interested in or do not have the time to deal with, they may be doing the smart thing. (Or they may be dumb as rocks and can't figure anything out by themsel
Tied to technology? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think that being able to filter out signal from noise on the internet has very much to do with technological know-how. The technology involved is either transparent (if you're a competent computer user) or an obstacle in carrying out the decisions you've made (if you're not a competent computer user).
Whether you are capable of making the right decisions about what information to accept or reject is almost entirely an issue of language skills and reading comprehension.
The people who continue posting their sob-stories as comments to some random guy's blog entry because they're convinced that the blog entry is Maury Povich's homepage aren't doing it because they're confused by Teh Intarweb (although it is a secondary factor); they're doing it because they can't read.
The guy thinking "Why, yes, I would like a penis enlargement; let me send you my credit card number!" would probably be falling for a snail-mail snake-oil scam right now if it weren't for the internet.
People who don't have good language skills are usually oblivious to the mistakes made by others, and thus often can't tell the difference between a genuine official document and something which is obviously not an official document because it is full of spelling and grammar mistakes and makes no sense.
I admit that a familiarity with the types of information sources available on the internet, their usual form, and their relative usefulness and reliablility, is helpful. For example, someone new on the internet may be unaware that nobody ever sends official warnings of danger to random people over email - and so they may be fooled by a well-written email hoax which more knowledgeable people would immediately mark as BS.Re:Tied to technology? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, I think you're right. Not reading is probably the foremost cause of poor language skills. If you read a lot when you're a child, you can fix even the crappiest school education - but if you don't, you're likely to suck even if you went to a private school.
You can't become familiar with the subtleties and complications of a language by rote learning, or improve your vocabulary by memorising a thesaurus. Some things you can only learn by example, and unfortunately spoken colloquial language does not
Re:Tied to technology? (Score:3, Insightful)
Is this a poll? (Score:4, Insightful)
placement of students in appropriate classes (Score:5, Insightful)
Probably the /. demographic... (Score:4, Insightful)
April 1 (Score:2, Funny)
OK, I've said that there should be a test to use teh internets, but I was just joking...
huh? (Score:3, Funny)
A B C D 1. May I ask your kindness in moving sum of 28 million US dollars?
A B C D 2. Woul\d yo/u like to s|ho0t ga%llons of c*U%m?
A B C D 3. Would you like a FREE iPOD?
A B C D 4. Me too!
A B C D 5. RUHOTT?
A B C D 6. Does it support OGG?
GMAT is not ETS (Score:2, Informative)
Re:GMAT is not ETS (Score:2, Informative)
source: http://www.mba.com/mba/CustomerService/ [mba.com]
GMAC® works with Educational Testing Service® (ETS®) in the administration of the GMAT.
but it sounds like GMAC makes the test, while ETS adminsiters it since they have testing locations all over the world.
Next on Slashdot... (Score:4, Funny)
I think I've taken this before... (Score:2, Troll)
"...ETS and a group of colleges and universities have collaborated to create the ICT Literacy Assessment, a comprehensive test of ICT proficiency specifically designed for the higher education environment...
Have you ever:
1. Kissed a friend or stranger on their hands or their head/neck region as a friendly gesture?
2. Held hands with someone?
3. Had a date...
"
Universities NEED This Test (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, I'm not talking classes about how to build web pages, or how to effectively utilize Google, I'm talking about "Ok, now class... this is a... mouse!" and there aren't ways currently to profeciency test out of them. I had to sit through my intro to computing class because attendance was required, and while I was there I kept myself busy tinkering with my linux server in my dorm room. The professor caught me once and asked what I was doing... I answered and they had NO clue what I was saying. I wonder who needs an intro class more.
A test like this, while ridiculous to those of us used to technology, is needed right now at the College level. They don't believe that students come to college now with basic computer skills, and the only thing that will convince them are test scores that prove this point. In the immediate future, at least these tests could allow those of us who know where the power switch is to skip those sorts of classes that are just a waste of our time.
Re:Universities NEED This Test (Score:3, Interesting)
There were people who *failed* it.
That's right, people doing a degree in Computer Engineering who failed *using Word*. Some of those people now have a BEng and still cannot use a word processor, let alone anything more complex.
I feel sorry for anyone who might hire them.
Re:Universities NEED This Test (Score:2, Interesting)
Compare and Contrast (Score:2)
I live in Texas... (Score:2)
A Simple, Yet Effiective Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
This problem is very easy to fix. Let's do what was done in the former USSR in order to make sure that only the ones who can go on to get more education when it comes to public schools. I went to one of the best schools in the United States (according to Newsweek) and I was astonished by a number of people who clearly did not belong there. I can only imagine what happens in the rest of the public schools that are ranked lower than mine.
It works like this. Everybody is evaluated in terms of academic performance after then 10th grade. Anybody with a GPA of 3.0 and higher can move on further. People who have GPAs of 2.6-3.0 can move on after a consulation with councelors and only if their GPA is going to improve from there. Students who have a GPA of lower than 2.6 must find education somewhere else (vocational schools, private schools, etc.). Why should we waste our taxmoney on people who are not willing to study to begin with? In my case, 60% of people who attended the 9th grade did not come back to the 10th. That was pretty kick ass, considering the fact that everybody who made it actually wanted to study and move on. Classes were better, people were better and teachers had more room to breathe. Some of them finally started teaching instead of policing the ones who caused problems.
When I came to the United States, I was surprised to find out that this education system was willing to keep everybody regardless of their academic performance and behavior. In order to get expelled you had to some something quite outrageous that even most troublemakers did not attempt to do on a daily basis. This system is basically designed to have as many suckers as possibe. WTF? I believe this is the core of the problem. However, I do not have a Ph.D in Education; therefore, the final word is not mine.
Anyway, after you 'take care' of students who underperform and caused troubles, make sure that people who graduate from high schools meet certain requirements and make Information Studies as a part of the deal. Some bright kids do not have computers at home and it is hard for them to learn about something they do not have. Make sure that there is a class that these folks can take in order to broaden their knowledge. Then add a programming course or two because in the future everybody will need to be able to do something like that. I can't tell you how many biology and geography students I've met who were not prepared to take even simple programming classes in college (part of their requirements in order to do some sort of studies). In Belarus we had a course on simple algorithms where students had to write simple programs using BASIC. Mind you, this was in a country where majority of households do not have computers! We had only one class with 20 computers where kids had to share machines. I am sure that in the States we can come up with a better alternative. Once you make classes smaller by, weeding out the ones who do not want to study anyway, our schools can spend more money per student.
Re:A Simple, Yet Effiective Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem is, the number of jobs that vocational training actually gets you these days are dwindling at an extremely fast rate here, and in many other "western" countries. Yeah, it'd be easy enough to push low ability/performing students into a vocational system, but the vocational system doesn't train them for anything like the modern world, so you're not exactly making them any more useful to society in any way by forcing them into the vocational "system". They'll be even more unemployable, and even more likely to turn to criminal/underground methods of putting food on their tables than they already are, because they'll be officially labled "No Hopers".
And as far as private schools go, just about anyone who can afford to send their children to a private school already does (save in extremely wealthy areas). Most of the people who don't send their children to private schools won't be able to afford it if their children are forced to leave the public system.
And as far as emulating the Soviet system of education, yes, it produced a very high quality cream off the top, undoubtably, but looking at the rest of society in most of the post-Soviet countries, I don't think shitting that many kids out of the system without a real place to put them did anything but encourage the rampant corruption and organized crime that are crippling those countries today. Some of the former republics made it out OK. Most have not. I'd think long and hard before emulating anything in such a system.
Re:A Simple, Yet Effiective Solution (Score:3, Interesting)
Ever hear of grade inflation? I'd be willing to bet that you'd find that wealthier areas would tend to have disproportionately high QCAs. Keep a rich person's parent from going onto 10th grade, and daddy calls his buddy on the school board and all of a sudden you [the teacher] don't have a job any more. After all, little Johnny is just too busy with
ETS is a nonprofit (Score:3, Informative)
Re:SAT, ICT and Smoke Tests (Score:5, Interesting)
Who wasn't racist in 1925? That was one of those wonderful interbellum years where the Klan hit its high water mark and Congress worked hard to decide who could immigrate and who could not (note that "Nordic" was specified; couldn't let those filthy Slavs, Italians or Iberians in, no matter what their skin color was).
It'd be pretty damned strange for someone doing anything in 1925 to not share those views. Why do you think Hitler was so popular in the US in the 1930's?
Re:SAT, ICT and Smoke Tests (Score:5, Funny)
SAT + ETS = $$$ (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/14_03/sa
CC.
Re:SAT, ICT and Smoke Tests (Score:2, Insightful)
They were not able to read but could see that all was bold, thus thought it was a GNAA troll or such.
CC.
Re:Would I? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Oh for goodness sake - (Score:2)
Anyway, what exactly are you "debugging"? You don't seem to code anything.
Hee hee (Score:2, Funny)
I love it when the IT monkeys get all uppity and the code monkeys go on the defensive.
"I'm a real engineer"
"No you're not, you just plug cables into computer boxes"
"That's boxen, and you don't even know how to change your password"
"That's your job, IT monkey. My job is to write code"
"I write code"
"bash scripts are not code"
"Yeah, well you run Windows!"
"I also get paid more than you and have an actual career ahead of me"
"Shut up and join the Counterstrike server already"
Re:Hee hee (Score:2)
Re:Hee hee (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Oh for goodness sake - (Score:2)