Streaming Audio 10 Years Old 220
SlimySlimy writes "This month, streaming audio turns 10. Though first introduced by Real, streaming multimedia is so commonplace today it's hard to believe that it didn't even exist 10 years ago. In line with one of their previous press releases, RealNetworks has released a mysterious website and letter from CEO Rob Glaser celebrating 10 years of Internet streaming audio, as well as announcing a yet-to-be-revealed 'revolution' in digital media. 'On April 26, we are changing the rules of the Internet again, and digital music will never be the same.' Here is their press release from 1995 (when they were still Progressive Networks) announcing the first streaming Internet multimedia."
I know what it is.... (Score:5, Funny)
Harley what? (Score:2)
It's some sort of two-wheeled motorized single passenger vehicle.
Harley-Davidson [wikipedia.org] is an order of magnitude older than 10 years.
Re:I know what it is.... (Score:2)
In other news (Score:3, Funny)
Streaming video still buffering...
FP (Score:5, Funny)
[buffering 36%]
10 years of.... evolution? (Score:4, Interesting)
At least VoIP and video conferencing have taken off and work quite well.
What are some of the better one-way, RealOne-like streaming formats these days?
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2)
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2)
The travesty is that it's been 10 years and streaming video still LOOKS like it did on a 68040.
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:4, Interesting)
Could you be a little more specific? I stream terabytes of data with Real without much of a problem. The client has finally been cleared out of all of the crud - if you want a step by step guide you can read mine here [vt.edu] and the server's finally stablized to the point that they run for months without restarting the server application.
At least the original RealAudio wasn't nearly as bad, but it still consumed a lot of RAM and CPU cycles on my 68040.
A 225K stream in the current version of RealPlayer takes up 7-15% of my 2.0GHz Pentium-4M that I just tested it on.
Having worked with or investigated the three common streaming mediums, I think that Real offers the best quality for things such as Powerpoint presentations or capturing writing on a document camera. For larger (640x480) movies, I've found that QuickTime with Sorenson 3 seems a little better. However, QuickTime for Windows can be tremendously unstable and generally brings Windows down with it as well. It's also much harder than Real to get working on the client end.
Windows Media has never impressed me much - it's a variant of MPEG4 without much going for it other than the fact it's free. When Comedy Central went from Real to Windows Media, I noticed a drop in quality, even though they went up in bandwidth.
As far as what's being done with streaming media, I use the streaming legal music services (alternate between Napster and Real Rhapsody) and am happy with them - I've got more than enough bandwidth to use them at work and they let me listen to the stuff I don't like enough to buy but want to hear every now and then. It's helping improve education - many of the students I work for enjoy being able to review the lectures after the fact. It means we can place movies online for them to watch without them having to go to the library to watch a physical copy (that someone else may have already checked out).
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2)
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2)
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2)
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2)
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2)
Re:10 years of.... evolution? (Score:2)
(Try playing some older versions of Real-formatted media and you'll see what I mean)
How times of changed (Score:3, Informative)
In Win95, Real Player came as standard and had no spyware or data monitoring capabilities at all, it played ra and ram files and thats all it needed to do, tip for budding software companies in there somewhere iam sure
So... (Score:3, Funny)
I despise RealPlayer.
Re:So... (Score:5, Informative)
mysterious website? (Score:2)
I'm confused (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm confused (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I'm confused (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I'm confused (Score:2)
No.
We hate the game, not the player.
billy - word
Do this (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Do this (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Do this (Score:3, Informative)
No more spyware, advertising, crappy "traybarprograms" clogging your system. No more autostart. No more shit. Just a codec that plays the fc*** files in the player of your choice.
Thanks for that. Have a good evening.
Re:Do this (Score:2, Informative)
Or you could download RealPlayer Enterprise [real.com].
Re:run os x for a week (Score:2)
Makes ya feel... (Score:2)
Actually, I find it harder to believe that it is now 10 years old. Now I feel old.
Re:Makes ya feel... (Score:2, Funny)
Solution searching for a problem? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:3, Insightful)
And because today, content providers often don't want you keeping a copy of their content on your hard drive.
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:2)
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:2)
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:5, Informative)
Live broadcasts
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:2)
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:2)
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds great, unless you're listening to a live broadcast. Or something that content providers want you to listen to, but not own.
There is no DRM (Score:2)
If you can hear it, you can record it. Streaming media is no more secure than any other DRM-protected audio... that is, not protected at all.
Re:There is no DRM (Score:2)
Re:There is no DRM (Score:2)
In other words DRM only provides protection against people who are not normally interested in abusing the video stream that are protected by it.
Re:There is no DRM (Score:2)
Re:There is no DRM (Score:2)
Tell me, who is this person who can figure out how to make a copy of a tape but can't figure out how to plug that 3.5mm jack into the back of the computer instead of the back of the casette player?
Re:There is no DRM (Score:2)
Re:There is no DRM (Score:2)
Ah, and these are the people who are passing music around on the P2P networks? But never mind that...
Audio tape recording has been made simple and obvious: there are two decks, one of them has a Record button right by the Play button. Most people, though, would be surprised to discover that a sound card can actually accept sound!
Where did I say anything about the sound card being an input device? They were recording stuff to tape, what's sto
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:2)
When I get home from work, I want to wind down, relax, click on a favorite radio station, and just sit back and listen. P2P was fun, but I no longer have the time for it.
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:2)
[*] For a certain, very loose definition of solve. It may be ten year old technology, but it's still crap, unfortunately.
Re:Solution searching for a problem? (Score:2)
Please (Score:2, Insightful)
Actually ... (Score:2)
my DSL must suck, then ... (Score:5, Informative)
No. I have DSL. If I go try to watch, say, the Daily Show on Real or WMP, I expect that about half the time I'll have pauses or drops in quality or whatever because of connection issues. If I go to watch, say, a movie trailer in Quicktime, it downloads as fast as possible, shows me how much is downloaded, lets me start when I think I'll be able to see the whole thing, and lets me pause and jump around within everything already loaded without lag if I want to see something again or wait until the rest is loaded.
All of the cracks about Real come because the model of only giving you the data *right* when you need it is simply inferior to the model of giving you all the data at once. It's another example of rights holders crippling their own damn product in a hopeless attempt to prevent you from downloading it and showing it to your friends.
If web sites are using realtime streaming to show live content, then fair enough -- I don't blame Real if the connection gets slow. If they're using realtime streaming to show short pre-recorded clips that could easily fit in a RAM buffer, then they deserve ridicule for doing it, and Real deserves ridicule for encouraging it.
Re:my DSL must suck, then ... (Score:5, Informative)
At least on Windows, here's how you enable it:
Re:my DSL must suck, then ... (Score:2)
Re:my DSL must suck, then ... (Score:2)
I work in streaming media - my average file is around 80 minutes long. The files range from around 180-500MB. Is that a good enough use for you?
Real deserves ridicule for encouraging it.
I don't believe that any of the Real manuals that I've read include encouragement to show short clips via streaming.
It's another example of rights holders crippling thei
The wonders of streaming audio.... (Score:3, Funny)
seems to just not be quite there yet, personally (Score:2, Interesting)
The audio quality of streaming media can be decent, but it often is not. This appears to be for the reason that websites need to cater to those with poor connections. And sure, some sites offer multiple versions of the same thing of varying quality, but that's a
10 years old? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:10 years old? (Score:2)
rsh otherlab 'cat
on our SunOS boxes and listening to microphones.
Re:10 years old? (Score:3, Informative)
Do the Rolling Stones count as "media" then?
They were the second band on the Internet, back in 1994. Live on the mbone...
Re:10 years old? (Score:2)
IDGI, what's your point? If people were doing streaming media over the mbone in 1993 and 1994, then Real didn't invent it and it's more than 10 years old. The mbone was designed to stream stuff in general, and one of the things that was streamed over it was audio. Lots of it.
Re:10 years old? (Score:2)
But not only are you missing that point, you're using an argument that makes absolutely no sense. You're arguing against points that aren't being made, and on top of that it's only correct in some kind of strict mathematic sense that's divorced from reality. For example:
It was designed to create
Streaming is still not there... (Score:5, Interesting)
The best streaming I have seen is simple net-radio MPEG streams (or ogg), or apple quicktime. Apple trailers, though they take longer to buffer being such large files, tend to "guess" when to play it more accurately and are encoded like a professional video should look.
What I simply do not understand is why more websites, if they're pushing the same amount of bits either way, don't offer the complete file for download. I know that sometimes it is streamed to prevent copying, but more often than not, streamed media is not stuff that one would not want copied (being public an all). It may even reduce strain on the server with re-viewings done locally. I think users would be much happier to wait a minute longer if they get a high-quality video/audio file and they know won't stop half way.
It's a cool idea, but even after 10 years, its got a way to go.
Re:Streaming is still not there... (Score:3, Insightful)
One reason is bandwidth conservation. Most people do NOT view/listen to the entire content file. With downloads, you have to dump the whole thing on them (or at least a LOT more than if you streamed).
Not to mention having to wait for the download to complete. For -really- brief clips, sure, there is no difference. If you are having problems with s
Re:Streaming is still not there... (Score:2)
Re:Streaming is still not there... (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Streaming is still not there... (Score:2)
Problem solved.
What costs more? 2MB of bandwidth, or a $.20 clickthru?
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Only 10 years old? (Score:4, Informative)
I still remember playing with cuseeme in the computer lab at school. The connection was painfully slow, but it was really cool to see the humble origins of this technology.
Re:Only 10 years old? (Score:2)
Re:Only 10 years old? (Score:2)
not really a technology IMHO (Score:2)
If I got the option to download an audio or video clip in "256k" or "broadband", I would make the same choices as I do now with "streaming" media, and I would also let it "buffer" and then start viewing the stuff before it was completely transmitted.
But then I would also have it
. I could see it once more, check which media player supports the freaky file format, etc.
Streaming media is the throw-away camera of the digital world.
Re:not really a technology IMHO (Score:2)
The "true" streaming pioneers (circa 1994) (Score:5, Interesting)
More information at: http://wxyc.org/about/first/ [wxyc.org] and http://www.wrek.org/wreknet-first.html [wrek.org].
Re:The "true" streaming pioneers (circa 1994) (Score:2)
Re:The "true" streaming pioneers (circa 1994) (Score:5, Funny)
Note, the following is neither a troll nor a flame, but rather an accurate account my first experience with CuSeeMe circa 1994 or so.
I remember CuSeeMe very well. I remember my brother and my self showing our mother this. The future of communication... real time video conferencing around the world for free. On an 68030 based mac we found a reflector site with a number of participants. After a few moments the first guy shows up... shirtless but no big deal. Then the second guy shows up, also shirtless. But as it turns out they were not just shirtless, they were all nakid. The 5th man showed up as just a penis and everyone said, "hi Ralf" or some such.
We wanted to show our mother the future in communications, and there it was, the future was a bunch of nakid men.
Wow. (Score:2)
Acacia will be happy with this thread :( (Score:2, Interesting)
Internet Wave (Score:2)
10 years of streaming at WXYC (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:10 years of streaming at WXYC (Score:4, Informative)
13 years ago.
http://www.xfmdublin.com/
Now, who the hell *listened* to them, I dunno; as I was unable to get a decent net connection in this city till 2004..
I also doubt they were the first, but it proves WXYC *weren't* the first.
Re:Internet Radio still sucks (Score:3, Informative)
Get thee to shoutcast [shoutcast.com]. Admittedly it's a search engine rather than a frequency dial, but IMHO that's an improvement. As I type there's 9163 stations to choose from, and once you've found something you like it is just a case to taking a note of it's URL to type in later (or use bookmarks...)
hard to believe? (Score:3, Insightful)
Is it?
Even when you think that 10 years ago Microsoft Internet Explorer didn't exist and 15 years ago the world wide web had only just been invented?
Timing -- iTMS is 2 years old on the 28th (Score:4, Insightful)
I see a Press Release flame war ensuing, touting the million or so subscribers that Real claims to have vs whatever million number of songs iTMS has served up.
Also, Real might be launching some new digital music service to take the steam out of Jobs's crowing over his pet project.
Just a thought.
1993 is more than 10 years ago... (Score:4, Informative)
10 years? so what (Score:3)
No need for buffering with ... (Score:2)
I set up shortcuts to the audio feeds I want, which launch XMMS to play the audio stream.
OTH live or recorded video streams (usually real) to suffer from buffering and lack of any standardisation.
If they cant be bothered to impliment a sensible solution, I can't be bothered to waste my time on them.
I reversed-engineered this (Score:4, Interesting)
I stream Happy Birthday... (Score:2, Funny)
Here's my bet on what it is... (Score:4, Interesting)
Back in 2004 there was this little noticed press release on their website: REALNETWORKS MERGES REALPLAYER AND MUSIC SERVICES TEAMS INTO SINGLE BUSINESS UNIT [realnetworks.com]. I bet what they're announcing tomorrow is the fruits of their labor, a single program that combines the single-track buy idea with the subscription music idea, into one program and hopefully does it well. Napster does it now, but their subscription program has so many different restrictions on it it's really annoying (eg "buy track only" or "buy album only" and such).
Obviously the "digital music revolution" thing is a lot of hype, but a combined program would be far more effective than what they've got now, so long as it works well and isn't bloated to hell. Also, it'd be nice if they took this opportunity to upgrade the audio quality on the Rhapsody stream files to something like 160 or 192 AAC/RA10 instead of the 128WMA they use right now (the actual pay per track music store uses 192 AAC)
ftp foo.au /dev/audio (Score:2, Interesting)
Multicasting (Score:2)
Symbian P800 streaming recieve (Score:2)
anyone know how I can listen to streaming mp3 with my SonyEriccson P800?
That's strange. (Score:4, Interesting)
Streaming audio has been around a LOT, LOT longer than ten years. Commercial streaming audio, maybe. But the idea -- and mature, working implementations -- have been around for far longer.
Anyone else here use Speak Freely on NeXStep? I still fondly remember being the weirdo in the lab who was "talking to his computer" -- actually, talking to a guy in a different city over voice over IP. That was in 1994, and it even had support for encryption. Not to mention all of the work on MBONE.
Other streaming audio apps existed long before that, too.
Revolution (Score:2)
Will it finish buffering?
NAS is older than that. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Stop with the Buffering crap complaints already (Score:3, Interesting)