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The Rise of the Internetwork 110

Posted by timothy from the microcasting dept.
Thomas Hawk writes "The Seattle Times is out with an article today profiling Jeremy Allaire, the founder of a new internet television company called Brightcove along with, well, a program on 'hog cooking' to be broadcast on the Barbeque Network by DaveTV. DaveTV and Brightcove, along with companies like Akimbo, Total Vid, Open Media Network and OurMedia are part of a growing new group of companies called internetworks that are seeking to compete with regular network television and offer alternative niche video content. Look for these offerings in your living room through platforms like TiVo and Microsoft's Media Center shortly."
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  • BBQ Network? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Why can we get a damn BBQ network, and yet still no *GOOD* anime channel?

    Or will this finally fix this?

    • Re:BBQ Network? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by pete6677 ( 681676 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:29PM (#12550144)
      Up to this point, the reason has been that the bean counters at the cable company and TV production studios decided they would get more dollars per channel by featuring the BBQ network as opposed to an anime channel. Hopefully services like this will make it easier and more affordable for a company to put together a TV lineup, which means that something like an anime channel that may not have been profitable before would become profitable now. Not to mention, there won't be a cable company monopoly anymore with multiple networks available to each house.

    • Re:BBQ Network? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by ultranova ( 717540 )

      Why can we get a damn BBQ network, and yet still no *GOOD* anime channel?

      I know a good Internet anime channel. It's known as BitTorrent.

      Seriously, why would anyone want to watch a noisy, interlaced broadcast with the broadcast companys logo smeared over the image and far too often horrendous dubbing, when you can download a DVD-quality video file with both original and dub sounds and subtitles in a subtitle channel, possibly on several languages ?

      And while Internet broadcasts might be made from no

    • OMGWTFBBQ?
    • Dude. BBQ is important.

      That and beer. Why is there no Beer Channel?

  • 'hog cooking'? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Bananatree3 ( 872975 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @08:55PM (#12549935)
    Barbeque Network?

    You chose the wrong crowd for this article.

    • You don't BBQ? You don't BBQ?! God damn boy, put down that keyboard and go buy some coals and steaks.
      • Steaks? STEAKS? WTF ?!?! You call that a Q? Pull yer head out, fella....

        Sorry, pal. A rea 'Q doesn't have steaks, unless you are masochistic. A REAL 'cue has

        1) Chicken. The holy, white, tasty nectar meat of the gods. Beef is for Texans and other low lifes. Extra points for salmon or tilapia.

        2) Sweet/sour BBQ sauce. There is none higher. Extra points if you go for cajun sweet/sour.

        3) Partially pre-baked - one of the biggest problems with a 'cue is getting the meat cooked in the center without charring t
        • im sorry, you clearly arent british. i think you will find a real 'cue has;

          1)sausages. cheap nasty ones. you are going to incinerate them anyway, why pay more? possibly some chicken drumsticks if you are posh.

          2)tomato ketchup. loads of it. remember, carbon tastes better with tomato flavour.

          3)raging inferno. if your BBQ isnt blackening the neighbours fence, you obviously didnt pile the charcoal high enough. add more charcoal. you may need some sort of highly flammable substance to kickstart it again - s

        • For the benefit of the true geeks out there who require definitions, the parent fails to point out that there is a difference between barbequeing and grilling.

          Barbequeing is truly an art. It takes hours to do, because the meat (chicken, pork, ribs, etc) cooks by indirect heat and smoke. You often mop on a sauce to keep the meat from drying out. Whatever you eat is often best topped with barbeque sauce. Homemade stuff, not the crap from the store.

          Grilling, on the other hand, is simply cooking over an open

    • In our own unique [cybersalt.org] way :)

  • Interesting term... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    but don't they realize that "internet" is an abbreviated form of another word...?

  • Annoying term (Score:5, Insightful)

    by KillerDeathRobot ( 818062 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @08:57PM (#12549950) Homepage
    Does anyone else find the term "Internetworks" annoying? After all, internet basically is short for internetwork already.

  • Hm... (Score:1, Redundant)

    by double-oh three ( 688874 )
    This Internetwork of which they speak sounds strangly... familiar. I think I've heard of this internetworking before somewhere, now if only I could put my finger on it... /sarcasm.
  • How about instead of hog-cooking, they bring back the Discovery Wings channel?

  • Get Dvorak back! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Will we finally now see John Dvorak back on the camera? I miss ZDTV and Dvorak's Prime Time style talk shows!

  • Well... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by PsychicX ( 866028 )
    I just have one question.

    What took so long? This was overdue the day video streaming over the net became possible.
    • Which is overdue... the BBQ part or the part where you have that freakin much material on one topic, available on demand?

    • Re:Well... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by CSMastermind ( 847625 )
      What took so long was that the world at large hasn't widely adapted a fast enough internet connection to make these services profitable. Also you have to remember that the internet is still in its infancy. On top of that we haven't seen great inovations in video compression that would make it possible to deliever realtime streaming video at the same quailty as TV can. Couple all this with the fact that this would potentially be a huge shift in the industry (meaning that large corporations will fight the
    • "This was overdue the day video streaming over the net became possible."

      Holly cow! Think of the late fees!

    • As we all know video streaming has been around forever. what's driving it is

      1.) Bandwidth, Storage, and Server Capacity has become cheap enough to economiclly host videos.

      2.) DV Cameras have become cheap enough that almost everyone has one.... or at least some mechanism for capturing video.

      3.) Home Broadband connections have become fairly ubiquitous.

      4.) Tools for making "watachable" home movies are finally in place. Windows movie maker can actually make even a horrible travel video tolerable.

      M

  • Why limited to those devices? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by aegilops ( 307943 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:00PM (#12549976) Homepage
    Why do I need a Tivo or a Media Centre PC in order to play this content if I already have a PC and broadband?

    Aegilops
    • You are asking a very appropriate question! If you listen and read carefully to what Jeremy Allaire wrote [brightcove.com] not more than three months ago, you will realize that what is called here Internetworks is nothing but what Jeremy calls IP-TV. For him IP-TV "...is generally funded and supported by large telecom providers who have undertaken the mission of creating a competitive replacement produuct for digital cable and satellite services. IP-TV operator or carrier-led and controlled platform. There is a physical

  • Network Interface? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:00PM (#12549980) Homepage Journal
    How do I get videos not on regular network television to play on a TiVo? To appear in a TiVo guide, so viewers know they're available?

  • The next logical step after podcasting (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bsandersen ( 835481 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:00PM (#12549981) Homepage
    It seems reasonable that the next step after podcasting would be to add video and then look for outlets like these to be the distribution medium. it might also be a welcomed new outlet for independent film makers who are left only with IFC and a few other places for their films, especially "shorts" (films typically under 30 minutes).

    At last, perhaps there will be more than "500 channels and nothing on".

    -- Scott

    • Re:The next logical step after podcasting (Score:5, Interesting)

      by MrAndrews ( 456547 ) <mcmNO@SPAM1889.ca> on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:19PM (#12550090) Homepage
      I'll be interested to see how this turns out. For music, you're used to the same songs being on several stations, because the content isn't tied to a distribution outlet. For video and film, usually only see Lost on ABC, and you are made to associate ABC with "new fresh shows", despite the myriad of producers behind the scenes. If you have 5,000 producers all able to cast, how are they going to group themselves, and WILL they choose to group themselves? In this venue, you don't need to pool your resources to get to someone's TV, you just have to work with whatever standards emerge. I can't wait to see if some sort of powerhouse brand turns up to hold all the hip new 'net content together...
    • If you look you'll see that the internet has already been adapted for home made short films and that the industry has slowly been showing signs of becoming more decentralized. I suppose that there being "nothing on" would all depend what you want on. Where I could really see this technology taking off (at least in a direction that alot of people might not expect) would be in a video tutorial world. Say I have a new desk I need to put together. I hop on my laptop, load a video service and boom I have a v
    • "...to add video and then look for outlets like these to be the distribution medium. it might also be a welcomed new outlet for independent film makers who are left only with IFC and a few other places for their films, especially "shorts" (films typically under 30 minutes). Isn't the internet full of porn already?
  • That's nice. Can my mom get "the interweb" on it?

  • Another one (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MrAndrews ( 456547 ) <mcmNO@SPAM1889.ca> on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:07PM (#12550024) Homepage
    Not big and commercial, but maybe paired with MythTV or some other kind of box, it could take off... http://participatoryculture.org/ [participatoryculture.org]

    I still prefer the term "nichecasting" for this kind of idea (microcasting implies "small"), and it's particularly cool when you look at it from a Long Tail [typepad.com] perspective. So if we can [n]cast for virtually no cost, all we need to do is create stuff for virutally no cost. RvB is still, I think, the best example of that kind project. Does anyone know of any other FOSE[ntertainment] out there?
    • Having watched the hilarious Pure Pwnage, I also gained a lot of interest in on-demand webshows. Really, I have very little interest in regular TV, outside of re-runs or shows that come on late night once a week. I think people, working independantly, have a much greater capability to make something with niche appeal moreso than corporations that pop out crap after crap thinking it'll appeal to anyone. (see: every other show Fox has put out in the past four years)

      • Re:Another one (Score:3, Insightful)

        by MrAndrews ( 456547 )
        I recently had a conversation with a director of acquisitions at a network here in Canada who told me the biggest problem with sci fi was that there were only maybe 300,000 people in the country that would watch it, and that wasn't enough to build a production around. If you're not bound by geography anymore (which is SUPPOSED to be one of the benefits of the internet, non?), you can then collect your 300,000 viewers in Canada, U.S., England, Australia etc... and now you're looking at better numbers, and y

    • broadcatching (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Broadcatch ( 100226 )
      I still prefer the term "nichecasting"...


      I prefer "broadcatching" as it inverts one-to-many delivery with "many-to-one" access (and perhaps I'm partial, also, as I coined the word in 1983).
  • And still nothing on

  • This is the way to do it.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by QuantumG ( 50515 ) <qg@biodome.org> on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:17PM (#12550077) Homepage Journal
    You want tv downloads? Go make a tv show and license it under a permissive license. When there's a whole range of things to choose from the restrictive licensing tv creators will come around. It worked for software, it'll work for tv too. Can you imagine if RMS had taken the path that the warez kids of today had taken? We'd still have no Free Software. Now we have proprietary software companies making Free Software. What we need is a movement. Consider this, if everyone who fancied themselves as a script writer but was already happy in their current employment actually sat down and wrote a script now and then, and let others use their work we would have a wealth of good scripts available for amature actors to read from. Everyone who has a video camera should be filming everyone who thinks they have some acting ability. Then we should throw it all together and make some great shows.
    • Okay, this is way too close to my personal project so I HAVE to plug it (sorry). http://www.dustrunners.com/ [dustrunners.com] It's in the early stages yet, but that's the basic idea. Creative Commons source, lots of raw materials to use, and an attempt to open the source of a show. Oh, and I'm also looking for a PHP dev for the companion FOSS project here: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/cpvs [sourceforge.net].

      Phew. Plug done. I'm sorry if your eyes are watering.
      • I am not quite sure what your project is! You might want to get some explanatory metatext up front, dealing with the general concept of what it is you are trying to do. I assume you are creating some sort of audiovisual entertainment of the Sci Fi genre. But what is your planned medium of distribution? Video to be downloaded? And how are you creating the script? Doing the editing? Collaboratively, I assume, since that is what the subject of this subthread is....

        THen say so! Right up front! You can get mor
        • Indeed, yes, my site is bloody upside down, isn't it? I started off with the glitz without substance, and then had a flood of inspiration for substance, and forgot to change the glitz. Once I get through with some more coding (and of course write some more Slashdot comments), I'll change that. I'm all confused.

          Anyway, the project is taking a show I produced 4 years ago, opening up all the content and resources we have made, and letting people create their own projects like OSS. To make it easier we're
    • I am working on a solo video documentary right now that I plan to release under Creative Commons license.
      When I finish I hope it will encourge other people to collaborate over the Net to write scripts, find public domain & creative commons video footage & images, create flash animations, and edit them all together in copylefted, Creative commons entertainment and educational videos, free to download, anywhere, anytime. Such a copylefted production, if done well, could be traded over p2p networks for

    • You want tv downloads? Go make a tv show and license it under a permissive license.

      I don't have a video camera. Neither do I have any acting ability :(. What I do have is a computer, Internet access, and lots of ideas.

      The question is, how to turn those ideas into reality ? Computers can be used to make animation, but that requires making models (difficult and tedious), binding them to skeletons (very very difficult to get right), and animating them (not really hard, but more work than it should be).

      • Take Blender http://www.blender3d.org/ [blender3d.org] and re-write its UI. It's got a massive learning curve like any other program, but maybe if someone was obsessed with usability took a crack at it, something revolutionary might happen. It gets you further along than you'd want to go on your own.

        I love the concept of being able to just mark two places in a room and tell a character to walk from A to B, and worry about subtleties once the basics were down. Making the software work for the artist is the first step
      • Wow ok, where to start. I have an opinion on 3d modelling programs: they're kitchen sinks. They break the fundamental rule about software, they do everything poorly instead of trying to do one thing well. All the parts that make up the "suite" of tools in a 3d modelling program are not accessible outside the environment so whenever you want to perform a simple task you have to fire up this behemoth of a program.

        I recently decided to make a cal3d animation editor. It was very easy to do and I completed
  • If Battlestar Gallactica and/or a few other shows were broadcasted this way i'm sure it would carry quite a following.
  • Remember the Pseudo Network? http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/intern e t/1703/index.html [newyorkmetro.com] (actually it's still there) The founder boasted that he would bury conventional networks shortly just as soon as broadband kicked in (this was 5 years ago). The content was reasonably off kilter, (I loved MANX) but it all crashed with the rest of the dotcoms. While I think a PSPcasting scheme might work, I'm still not seeing the killer app here.

  • How this industry will shape up (Score:5, Interesting)

    by CSMastermind ( 847625 ) <freight_train10@hotmail.com> on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:34PM (#12550180)
    Here's just some oberservaions and predictions about how this industry will shape up:

    1) We'll see the wide spread use of the internet slowly transform it into huge single communications network. Everything, telephonery, telivision, and radio will be done online.

    2) We will finally see the advent of video telephones like in the Jetsons

    3) This switch to the new distrubion medium will shatter traditional industry and decentralize content production.

    4) The decentalization will lead to a decrease in professionalism and for the first years the content will suffer a decline in quality.

    5) Online media interst groups will emerge offering higher quality content and reintroduce large corparations into the industry.

    6) News types of content will result from the above processes and...

    7) Maybe 50 years from now the internet will be free to all.

    I don't know just some things I think will happen....
  • It looks like yet another service that will be fairly monopolized by the local telcos.

    I'm guessing that these companies will lease the local telecom companies' bandwidth, and we'll still be stuck with the same old YourLocalPhoneCompany vs. YourLocalCableCompany (in my case Bell and Time Warner) for over-the-internet data options (i.e. VoIP, video over IP, etc.)

    I'd like to see ways for competition to increase in the local broadband spectrum...

  • its about time... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lucretius ( 110272 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @10:03PM (#12550377)

    Either you can call it a amalgamation of the distribution systems (everything distributed by the network), or a glorious break in the holds of the cable companies on how and when we view media, but either way, I think its a good thing.



    Personally, I haven't had cable in about 5 years because I just don't want to pay $50/month for 500 channels that I don't care about. I watch about 10 channels overall, and if I could pay for those ala carte, I would, but I'm not going to pay for all of them. This style of distribution is perfect for me and the way I want to purchase media.



    However, its going to be hell on advertisers (ha ha), because now they're going to have to do even more market research to figure out where it is worth their time to put advertisements. Technically, it could be the end of in media res advertisements as well. It would be like watching programming made for HBO, purchased on an ad hoc basis. Oooooohhh... I like it.



    Tell me again. How is this a bad thing?

    • Simply put, it could be a bad thing if there's not enough money to make good (big budget) shows. Lots of money to pay for production comes from advertising. I really wish I knew how much. If the distributor can't prove to the advertisers that the show is watched, or there aren't ads at all, etc., etc., then the only money for shows will come from viewers' dues. If that only covers bandwidth costs and licenses, then they'll only be able to pay for shows that have been made. They won't be able to front t
      • Japan created an entire anime industry not with lots of money but with lots of creativity. You don't need money to create anime.
        • I really thought that Japan's television networks were nationalized as the BBC is, and that they paid for production costs of shows with national funding. I could be wrong, though. Also, there is cheap anime and there is expensive anime. The difference is usually how much tweening their is in the animations, since that requires much more labor. Also the quality of the art in general affects the speed of production and therefore the amount of upfront cash needed to finance it. Even the cheap anime takes

  • Trends (Score:3, Insightful)

    by RomulusNR ( 29439 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @10:18PM (#12550484) Homepage
    Any time anyone hypes a new technology/service with the words:

    "Other companies will pop up to complement [this] and offer great business opportunities" ...they are always either wrong or deliberately full of shit.
  • Come on guys, if you're going to profile Jeremy Allaire, you HAVE to mention that he became CTO of Macromedia when they bought Allaire, Inc. -- the company that gave us Cold Fusion (CFML -- not room temp H to He).

    Maybe you don't have to, but you should.
  • I am part of a small start up http://www.vidiac.com/ [vidiac.com](Vidiac Networks) that is in this space already and I can say it's huge. There is oceans of consumer-generated media being created as inexpensive DV cameras become popular combined with, cheap bandwidth and home broadband connections.

    While I admire the author for being aware of the consumer-generated video content revolution, I think his focus on pay-per-view and subscription based video is too heavily weighted. Our experience is that advertising suppo

  • The new channels (Score:3, Funny)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @01:15AM (#12551533) Homepage
    • QVC 1
    • QVC 2
    • QVC 3
    • CarTalk 24/7
    • eBay 1
    • eBay 2
    • The Collectables Channel
    • The Jewelry Channel
    • Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition
    • The Better Health Channel (infomercials for drugs)
    • Truck Trader

    All advertising, all the time!

  • LiningUpTV (Score:3, Informative)

    by ianmalcm ( 591345 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @04:43AM (#12552363)
    We already did this with http://www.firstcutlive.tv/liningup/ [firstcutlive.tv] and found that advertisers are not keen on new advertising models. But viewers are willing to pay for quality content. With so much DV out there, quality is king now.
  • I'd had the term 'internetwork' in mind to describe the effect that a specific ISP has in Adelaide. All the geeks I know use it, as do the geeky companies. So you've got a network that's connected to the Internet, but where at times it feels incidental. The vast majority of your bandwidth never leaves their network, whether you're doing things for work, coding at home, or interacting with mates. Telecommuting, download mirror, radio, file sharing, counterstrike, skype, email, even a fair bit of hosting - al

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