Sharp LCD Display with 1,000,000:1 Contrast Ratio 184
i4u writes "Sharp announces in Japan that it has developed a LCD display with the world's highest contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1.
The Sharp ASV Premium LCD display panel has a size of 37 inch, 1920x1080 pixel resolution and a brightness of 500cd/m2.
Sharp aims the Mega Contrast LCD display at the professional TV and movie production industry. For comparison the Canon and Toshiba developed SED TV has 100,000:1 contrast ratio."
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Quantum singularity. It should be so black it actually sucks the light out of neighboring pixels.
my eye does not meet its requirements (Score:3, Funny)
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-nB
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Although those Aqous TV [moretosee.com] ads are trying to do exactly what the grandparent was joking about: Sell image quality through bad image quality devices. I always thought it was such a stalemate.
Although people go to the movies every once and a while and maybe they'd notice the gap between the big screen and their dated tube. Maybe that's why "home theater" was coined. It was a good way to describe that clear picture you remember from the real cinema.
1. Go to movies
2. See pretty
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That sonic boom... (Score:2)
Article (Score:5, Informative)
The Sharp ASV Premium LCD display panel has a size of 37 inch, 1920x1080 pixel resolution and a brightness of 500cd/m2.
Sharp aims the Mega Contrast LCD display at the professional TV and movie production industry. Message to Sharp: I also want a LCD display that works well in bright rooms. No word on when this new Sharp ASV Premium LCD displays will be available.
The highest contrast ratio we reported so far about was 100,000:1 reached by a SED TV developed by Canon and Toshiba.
More details in this Sharp press-release (Japanese).
110 words, the rest is ads. What an absolutely useless website.
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This ignores the fact that these 110 words are themselves basically an ad for the product. My thoughts were something more along the lines of "a 110 word ad, paid for by a plethora of ads surrounding it. What an absolutely useless website."
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Odd. My thoughts were `a 110 word ad, paid for, and additional ads, also paid for. Why didn't I think of this business model?'
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Never mind the descriptions - give me the SCREENSHOTS! I want to see how good this quality is.
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Contrast Ratio (Score:5, Interesting)
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It's very meaningful from a technology accessibility perspective (the "trickle down" theory) - right now at the consumer level sets and computer monitors are offering with 400:1 to 600:1 contrast ratios. As they develop technologies at the extreme ends, it tends to push down prior accomplishments - this might be the sort of achievement that yields us economical 2000:1 displays.
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Or the video games I have where I didn't know there was a hole in the ground because my TV isn't bright enough in daylight?
I hate these developers.
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the full sentence is best... (Score:2)
At any given instant, the retina can resolve a contrast ratio of around 100:1 (about 6 1/2 stops). As soon as your eye moves (saccades) it re-adjusts its exposure both chemically and by adjusting the iris. Hence, over time, you can resolve a contrast ratio of about 1,000,000:1 (about 20 stops)."
So the eye is just the light sensing device and your brain can analyse the composited images -that all have a different focus - with a perception of up to 1 000 000:1...
then an addendum
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Saccades
Saccades
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Inaccurate Analysis (Score:5, Informative)
For example, Go into a brightly lit room and try to differentiate between 10 subtle shades of black. Or go into a dimly lit room and try to discern between 10 subtle shades of white.
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Otherwise, artists would have to switch monitors to work on LDR/8-bpc images.
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Dialation v. Perception (Score:2)
What matters is the amount you can discern at any given pupil dialation
Here, take this small, interesting, blue pill. Your eyes will become dialated, and you will be able to perceive all 64,000,000 colors eminating from the monitor at fantastic contrast ratios. Several hours later, when you can move again, you notice that the monitor is a vintage 1981 Sears black and white television.Re:Inaccurate Analysis (Score:3, Informative)
For electronic picture frame applications you may be correct, but as one of the many people who want to watch movies on their electronic displays, I want to be able to see the brightly lit scenes and the dark scenes in movies without having to get up and fiddle with the brightness and contrast of my 500:1 LCD display.
I've been using this display for two years and I love it to death
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Your window.
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I really don't think you're going to see warnings not to stare directly at a TV screen anytime soon.
"Remember kids, just take pictures of the TV and look at those, or you'll burn out your retinas!!"
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If it was as bright as the sun you would probably need a fusion reactor to power it!
Actually, a typical welding arc is brighter than the sun, and doesn't take nearly that much power. Now, to be as bright as the surface of the sun...
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When you look at the sun, what do you think you're looking at? That's right, the surface of the sun. The brightness of the sun per angle doesn't change whether you're viewing from earth, or standing right next to it, apart from filtering effects of the atmosphere, which reduces the visible-light brightness by perhaps a factor of two at noon. (Someone know th
It can be handy (Score:5, Interesting)
But in medecine/radiology it can be really useful : makes it easier to spot small subtle differences between to shades of gray on a X-ray pic, when these are located on a larger scale.
i.e.: when an X-ray image has ~1000 shades of gray, and clinically significant information lies in features that are only 2 or 3 levels appart.
You must either use a high contrast display (like this one, or "special for radiology high contrast CRT", or "printed on transparent film and then displayed with ultra-bright backlight")
Or play a lot with contrast & lightning parameters until selected window makes the differences less subtle.
Or even better, use both technique at once.
Also, I'm sure the pr0n industy will find a way to do something useful out of such screens.
Wouldn't resolution be more critical? (Score:2)
Resolution - depends on (Score:2)
- CAT-Scan slice can be as small as 512x512 (so there's no fundamental problem of using it on a 72dpi display)
(and i'm only mentionning X-ray produced pictures. There are stuff from nuclear medicine produce picture with very low resolution due to scathering and everything is just about shades of gray... or rather shade of pseudo-color mapping)
- On the other side, mamographies can be as huge (sorry no pun intended) as 4096x4096
(and resolution is critical because you have to spot smal
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Lay off the porn already... (Score:2)
Why in god's name would you assume they'd do something interesting with it? What were you thinking? That maybe they'd send us each a high contrast monitor so we can watch the new "HIGH CONTRAST" porn movies they have in the works?
Seriously...
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Holy shit dude! Look at the contrast on those nipples!
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But there's still some problem to use LUTs everywhere
- Constrast/Lightning windows. As I said, you play a lot with these when you try to reveal subtle details. If you shift around your window on a gray scale, things that were gray before, will still be gray, you'll still have lighter and darker gary, altought different shade. If you do the same wit
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Current output devices don't have the same range in any respect as the human eye, we have a lot of improvements that can be made to image o
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But not for sensitivity.
The 1 million to one ratio has been beat by OLED screens that have an infinite Contrast ratio. But what folks need to know is there are are in fact 2 contrast ratios. Essentially you can call it dark and light room contrast. For Dark room, it's simple, maximum brightness/maximum darkness as measured in a photonics unit. . Usually you do it over 9 points on the screen and mix min brightness and min darkness for an average. When you l
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Black? (Score:5, Interesting)
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it has a brightness of 500cd/m2. still too light for me, but much better than 1000cd/m2 which are far more copmmon.
and by the way: original announcement [sharp-world.com]. Why They are posting links to such crap websites in the original story?
Re:Black? (Score:2, Interesting)
This one was submitted by a user named "i4u" and the links were to (drum roll please), i4u.com.
You visit a shitty site on the way to the press release, and i4u gets impressions on their banners.
Re:Black? (Score:4, Informative)
500cd/m2 brightness is pretty nice for an LCD display - since most of the LCD display's on the market right now are 250cd/m2 - 300cd/m2. To get a brightness of 1000cd/m2 you are looking at a Plasma Display, which is useless as a computer monitor (too large generally, burn-in issues, and even higher-resolution Plasma displays make text look like shit).
So, 1000cd/m2 brightness it NOT common in LCD Displays currently.
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heh, speak with confidence on
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Re:Brighter than the sun? At 500 cd/m2? Hardly ... (Score:2)
This is probably are really great monitor -- but if these specs actually meant something it would mean I would be sitting right in front of a Laser Beam. Tell me this isn't the "Allen Parsons Project" and they don't plan to make Millions and Millions of these screens.
What the heck does that mean? (Score:3, Funny)
"#ffffff" = surface of sun; again, do not touch. In fact, wear these protective goggles.
Re:What the heck does that mean? (Score:5, Funny)
"What does whiter than white mean?"
"#GGGGGG"
J.
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Actually, the quote is:
(I don't mean to nitpick, but it works better in the original context :)
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Still not good enough... (Score:2, Informative)
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Announcements I'd like to read instead (Score:2, Insightful)
Or "manufacturer releases LCD display where black is black, not grayish"
Or "manufacturer releases LCD display that is actually usable in a heavily lit environment"
Even for movie professionals I'd guess that this is at least as important as being able to see sweat pores on an actress' skin
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This is about that (Score:3, Insightful)
What it *does* do, according to the spec, is solve the greyish blacks and muddy whites problem. Comprehensively. That's what a contrast ratio means - it's the ratio in brightness between the brightest white and darkest black the display can produce
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They don't. They just hang around feeling miserable and burst into tears if you look at them "that way".
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Check out this monitor [sceptre.com]. I just baught one. The screen is shiney and reflective like a CRT. i dont know how they did it, but the black on this monitor is true jet back. so black that you get glare if you have a light behind you.
Theres no glass infront of it either. I dont know what kind of crazy technology they used but it was worth every penny.
Re:Announcements I'd like to read instead (Score:2, Offtopic)
Then mark up your friends, mark down foes, mark down ACs, mark down funnys, don't show treads that are below your threshold and customise the rest as you want. Grab the rss feed and ignore/delete the headlines that are obvious dupes.
After a few months of doing this you will start to notice a real difference in the quality of posts.
Re:Announcements I'd like to read instead (Score:2)
The reason I'm getting so frustrated is that while I can do that, someone who doesn't know better will just be bombarded with misinformation.
I've also always had a very strong urge to argue with people who are wrong. Maybe my own life would be better if I just didn't care :-).
Do you actually think this is a display? (Score:4, Funny)
You could frickin' blow up the moon with that laser.
New 3D Planar LCD Monitors (Score:2)
GIS Monitor has an excellent article about new planar 3D monitors [gismonitor.com] (picture included [gismonitor.com]), they are stereoscopic 3D LCD monitors based on an entirely new stereoscopic technology. From the article: The device is particularly well-suited for geospatial image analysts and photogrammetrists, who require 3D viewing to discern depth in the imagery and interpret spatial details.
In addition to this (posted on http://slashgisrs.org/ [slashgisrs.org] ), the
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Well, slashgisrs.org is only a week old. It target a different crowd than
Slightly more text (Score:2, Informative)
Useless specifications (Score:5, Informative)
Contrast ratio, brightness, and screen-performance information are generated by suing highly tailored test patterns and performance benchmarks that have little to do with the real image, but a lot to do with published specs.
For example, depending on how the technology responds, the contrast ratio test may consist of a white square, box, or dot on a black field, or a measured sequence of black-to-white screens, with the measured difference in brightness given as the contrast ratio.
The best analogy is speaker specs, which unless they are linked to recognized performance specifications (like frequency response given as plus/minus decibel variance from 20 to 20,000 Hz), are completely misleading. A speaker advertised as delivering 500 Watts may only be able to handle that much power as a transient, and even then a speaker can only "deliver" the power fed into it, which means you also need a 500-W amplifier.
A very good example was at the latest Society for Information Display (www.sid.org) show. Samsung had both the largest LCD and the largest Plasma in existence at the show, and although the brightness and contrast "specs" for the Plasma was greater, the LCD obviously had a brighter and sharper image in operation. True, the blacks were better in the Plasma, but that was the only visible distinction to the discerning viewer and only shows how little a guarantor of performance a high contrast rating is.
This news is certainly encouraging information, and will certainly result in a better-performing display appearing on our shelves soon. But to look at any given spec and shout "halleluia!" is being overly generous.
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Obligatory Linus quote (Score:2, Funny)
How is contrast ratio measured? (Score:2)
How useful is this measure, really?
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Maybe they've found a way to block the light better and they may have a blacker pixel, but does it mean you can have suddenly very dark features on screen and very bright ones and they are both visible at the same time.
A better measure of screen quality might be the number of perceptibly different grey levels this screen is capable of delivering, AND the ratio between the darkest and the brightest of them. I suspect most humans would have a hard time differencing screens that can do more tha
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Not that good contrast, really (Score:4, Funny)
New graviton compression technology (Score:2, Funny)
Seriously though, I close my eyes and things aren't perfectly black, so I'm not sure 10^6:1 is all that useful.
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Time to upgrade your eyelids.
Frickin' laser beams (Score:3, Funny)
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Siggraph 2004 (Score:3, Interesting)
It should be duely noted that the projector-LCD system presented in the link has a measured ratio of about 54,000:1 as opposed to the theoretical 200,000:1 ratio. However, I plan to build a $3000 display with a ratio of about 70,000:1. The projector-LCD systems have the advantage of being able to take high precision illumination values. You effectively double the amount of information that can be fed into the display by having two "screens" (the projector and the LCD). Perhaps those who want to experiment with HDR imaging and do not mind a bit of bluring should consider building one of these $1500-$5000 setups, as opposed to those 100,000:1 or 1,000,000:1 displays.
For those who have sunglasses, happy hacking.
*I would have given a HTML link if the Authors' links [cs.ubc.ca] were functional.
I guess that's like a "GUI User Interface" (Score:3, Funny)
Matthew Jeppsen
www.FresHDV.com
How much contrast is ehough? (Score:5, Interesting)
This, of course, is rather silly. We cannot see simultaneous contrast of a billion to one. Our retina is not black, so the light will scatter around in the eye, and give us a flare signal of about a percent or so. We are used to rejecting a low light level like that. That would give us a sensible contrast ratio of 100:1. But this is not the whole story either - if you have a scene on a monitor with only 100:1 contrast, it might look OK in office lighting, but the shadows will look very 'milky' in a darkened room.
In our experience, people using monitors or digital projectors to simulate film will need something like a 1500:1 contrast ratio. There seems to be a point somewhere a bit beneath 2000:1 where the blacks come convincing, and the viewer will accept the simulation. There is some point about 1200:1 where the blacks stop looking convincing, and start looking grey.
If you are trying to match a display to a projector, it is nice to have another factor of two, so you can match the absolute brightness without having to go to the display white. You may want to get this because you sometimes have to drive the RGB channels beyond the white point to get bright and clean looking pastel colours.
You will want to have a continuous tone curve. Field-emission devices will have a cube-type power law down to a point, and then they will cut off exponentially. This may give good-looking greys down to a point, and then plunge into black, crushing all the shadow detail. That does not look as nasty as 'milky' shadows, but it is not that much better.
So - about 3500:1 is good for simulating colour film. However, colour film is pretty dim - 16 ft-lamberts (50 cd/m2) is standard. Images look a lot more colourful if they are brighter. If you want really high-contrast images, you need something like a LCD monitor with a variable LED blacklight, which gives you your local 100:1 contrast and a huge overall contrast ratio. Have a look at http://www.brightsidetech.com/tech/bstech.php [brightsidetech.com].
Re:How much contrast is ehough? (Score:4, Insightful)
Specs on the Brightside display are 37", 3000 cd/m2 brightness rating, 1920x1080 resolution. Yours for the low price of just $49,000.
As to contrast ratio I wonder how 1,000,000:1 is even measureable. As the parent states, 3500:1 is comparable to color film. I also read somewhere that 70mm film has a contrast ratio of approximately 1000:1. YMMV...
Matthew Jeppsen
www.FresHDV.com
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Black vs. Dark Brown (Score:2)
There is no pain like Doom 3 on an LCD unless you turn the brightness up to where black isn't black. The only complaint I have about my LCD is the color deffinition between the very dark colors.
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A silly spec... (Score:2)
Well, if the backlight of the LCD is the sun, then, YES, a black pixel would be only 10e-6 (million) down from the sun, and we can "see" as little as a few photons PROVIDED that we are dark-adapted. HOWEVER, if there is a white pixel next to a black pixel, then NO. We cannot see SIMULTANEOUS luminance contrast of a million, and we would not be dark adapted in that case anyways.
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