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Bloggers create Press Plagiarist Of The Year Award 217

mccalli writes "The BBC is reporting that certain bloggers, fed up of seeing their work just lifted by the mainstream press, have created The Press Plagiarist Of The Year award. Examples are given of national newspapers simply cutting and pasting entire articles from web sites and passing them off as their own."
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Bloggers create Press Plagiarist Of The Year Award

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  • by yagu ( 721525 ) * <yayagu@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Saturday December 03, 2005 @01:58PM (#14174175) Journal

    I absolutely agree! Here's my take on it:

    Lots of people have been taking this very seriously, well media studies students are taking this seriously. Earnest discussions in academia are all very well, but who are the guilty ones? Let Guido remind you of the nomination criteria: a story has to be pinched from an original blog source, either verbatim or in essence, and no credit / payment given to the original source. This qualifies as plagiarism. Similar stories on subjects eliciting similar comments do not pass this test, since even lazy journalists can have the same ideas as brilliant bloggers.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:01PM (#14174192)
      This is MY take on it:

      Lots of people have been taking this very seriously, well media studies students are taking this seriously. Earnest discussions in academia are all very well, but who are the guilty ones? Let Guido remind you of the nomination criteria: a story has to be pinched from an original blog source, either verbatim or in essence, and no credit / payment given to the original source. This qualifies as plagiarism. Similar stories on subjects eliciting similar comments do not pass this test, since even lazy journalists can have the same ideas as brilliant bloggers.
    • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:50PM (#14174380) Journal
      Let Guido remind you of the nomination criteria: a story has to be pinched from an original blog source, either verbatim or in essence, and no credit / payment given to the original source. This qualifies as plagiarism.

      It also qualifies as copyright violation. This is PRECICELY what copyright is for.

      Under the Berne convention and laws implementing it, such postings are born copyrighted, notice or no. Verbatim lifting of the entire text, or the bulk of it, is not fair use.

      And while a net posting is intended to be read, it's intended to be read on the original site and in its original context. Posting may imply consent for the copying necessary for viewing, network cacheing, linking, and probably indexing and archiving. But it doesn't imply permission to copy it into a commercial (or even non-commercial) news medium without either payment or credit.

      When the intent is just to get the news out and such copying would thus be welcomed, the author can explicitly waive his rights or grant additional permissions under stated terms by a footnote license or declaration. (Indeed, such grants are common - Public Domain, open document, quote-with-credit, etc.) In the absense of such a grant, copyright applies full force.

      Such an author may receive only small or intangible benefit from his posting in its original place. Such benefits might be reputation, increased public influence, or in increase in traffic to a web site driving advertising revenue or advancing some other purpose of the site. But that doesn't mean copying his material does little damage. If the item is newsworthy and sufficiently well-formed for publication, it is as potentially saleable to news outlets as similar output from a person who makes his living as a reporter. This revenue is denied the author if the publisher simply copies the text without payment - or a reporter passes it off as his own work, receiving his paycheck while the author gets nothing.

      Under copyright it is the author's right to demand whatever payment he wants and refuse permission unless agreement is reached. And if a publisher copies his work without permission, it is his right to sue for the damages - including the price he might have reasonably negotiated - and for a statutory minimum if he can't prove a higher amount is due.

      Lots of people have been taking this very seriously, well media studies students are taking this seriously.

      I should hope the publishers are taking this seriously, too. They're the ones with their necks on the legal block. Every winner of this award (and every nominee) is a potential loser of a big lawsuit. And if the first one isn't open-and-shut, once it's one the rest will be.

      The irony, of course, is that it's the same media corporations that make such a screech about "piracy" of their entertainment content that operate the publications where this infringement is taking place. If they don't want to be hoist on their own petard they need to do some serious housecleaning among their own operations.

      = = = = =

      And before the peanut gallery opens up with some snide comments claiming hypocracy on the part of slashdot posters, let me point out a few things:

      1) I'm not stating a personal opinion about what's RIGHT in the above. I'm just pointing out my understanding of the CURRENT LAW. (Note: IANAL.)

      2) The posters on this forum, and the members of movements commonly associated with it, are individuals with varying opinions. And there are multiple groups with differing consensus opinions hanging out here as well. Different posters with different opinions do not make the forum hypocritical.

      3) "Intellectual Property" (government limitations on ideas, their expression, and their use) is not a unified all-or-nothing issue. There are a host of component parts. (Examples: Copyright versus patent. Length of protection. Extent of protection (what constitutes "fair use"). What is covered (software, "look-and-feel", public performance, N-note-
      • by smoker2 ( 750216 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @06:37PM (#14175257) Homepage Journal
        Let Guido remind you of the nomination criteria: a story has to be pinched from an original blog source, either verbatim or in essence, and no credit / payment given to the original source. This qualifies as plagiarism.

        It also qualifies as copyright violation. This is PRECICELY what copyright is for.

        Under the Berne convention and laws implementing it, such postings are born copyrighted, notice or no. Verbatim lifting of the entire text, or the bulk of it, is not fair use.

        And while a net posting is intended to be read, it's intended to be read on the original site and in its original context. Posting may imply consent for the copying necessary for viewing, network cacheing, linking, and probably indexing and archiving. But it doesn't imply permission to copy it into a commercial (or even non-commercial) news medium without either payment or credit.

        When the intent is just to get the news out and such copying would thus be welcomed, the author can explicitly waive his rights or grant additional permissions under stated terms by a footnote license or declaration. (Indeed, such grants are common - Public Domain, open document, quote-with-credit, etc.) In the absense of such a grant, copyright applies full force.

        Such an author may receive only small or intangible benefit from his posting in its original place. Such benefits might be reputation, increased public influence, or in increase in traffic to a web site driving advertising revenue or advancing some other purpose of the site. But that doesn't mean copying his material does little damage. If the item is newsworthy and sufficiently well-formed for publication, it is as potentially saleable to news outlets as similar output from a person who makes his living as a reporter. This revenue is denied the author if the publisher simply copies the text without payment - or a reporter passes it off as his own work, receiving his paycheck while the author gets nothing.

        Under copyright it is the author's right to demand whatever payment he wants and refuse permission unless agreement is reached. And if a publisher copies his work without permission, it is his right to sue for the damages - including the price he might have reasonably negotiated - and for a statutory minimum if he can't prove a higher amount is due.

        Lots of people have been taking this very seriously, well media studies students are taking this seriously.

        I should hope the publishers are taking this seriously, too. They're the ones with their necks on the legal block. Every winner of this award (and every nominee) is a potential loser of a big lawsuit. And if the first one isn't open-and-shut, once it's one the rest will be.

        The irony, of course, is that it's the same media corporations that make such a screech about "piracy" of their entertainment content that operate the publications where this infringement is taking place. If they don't want to be hoist on their own petard they need to do some serious housecleaning among their own operations.

        = = = = =

        And before the peanut gallery opens up with some snide comments claiming hypocracy on the part of slashdot posters, let me point out a few things:

        1) I'm not stating a personal opinion about what's RIGHT in the above. I'm just pointing out my understanding of the CURRENT LAW. (Note: IANAL.)

        2) The posters on this forum, and the members of movements commonly associated with it, are individuals with varying opinions. And there are multiple groups with differing consensus opinions hanging out here as well. Different posters with different opinions do not make the forum hypocritical.

        3) "Intellectual Property" (government limitations on ideas, their expression, and their use) is not a unified all-or-nothing issue. There are a host of component parts. (Examples: Copyright versus patent. Length of protection. Extent of protection (what constitutes "fair use"). What is covered (software, "look-and-feel", public performance, N-note-sequences, .

    • You will only understand the above if yo actually read the referenced links.
    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • by bcore ( 705121 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @05:30PM (#14175028)
      It should have been obvious that the media were just lifting blog entries, when the Sunday Times ran their groundbreaking editorial entitled "OMG OMG WTF R U TLAKING ABOUT?1111!!"
  • But... (Score:5, Funny)

    by sloths ( 909607 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @01:59PM (#14174177)
    You just pasted that entire headline straight from the article!
  • by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara.hudson@b ... m ['son' in gap]> on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:00PM (#14174181) Journal
    [rocky balboa]

    after all, Roland Pipsqueak could have been a contender! [/rocky balboa]

  • by Bombula ( 670389 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:03PM (#14174200)
    So THAT'S what people mean when they say, "I researched it online."
    • It's really scary how fast a story can spread through the media, too.

      In my spare time, I happen to do the publicity for a local sports club. Someone gave a comment to a media rep a few weeks ago, saying that we were hiring a full-time coach for the first time. We don't know exactly where the story originated; it wasn't any of the executive committee, nor the coach concerned, so presumably came from a not-particularly-well-informed club member.

      That wound up on the AP wire, and within 24 hours, it had mad

  • Don't award them (Score:5, Insightful)

    by barakn ( 641218 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:05PM (#14174208)
    Sue them
    • Don't award them Sue them

      Exactly what copyright is for :)

      Who said copyright is obsolete in the digital age?
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Don't just sue them, force them to publicly apologize. That way you can get a bit of recognition and publicity in addition to some extra pocket money.
  • by forand ( 530402 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:06PM (#14174211) Homepage
    This isn't only a problem with main stream media taking blogger's content. Main stream media outlets have been taking content off the web and calling it their own for some time.

    About two years ago there was a BBC article that stated some incorrect things about angular momentum, and me being a stickler for proper use of Physics terms, contacted the author. He stated that I was wrong and he "knew" it was correct because he had got the information from the researchers. I contacted the researchers, which were NOT listed in the article nor on the page anywhere, after being given their contact info by the BBC reporter. They agreed with me that the use of the term was incorrect but gave some reasons for why they thought it would be easier for the laymen to understand. They also pointed me to their press release on the subject. Lo and behold if their press release was not taken word for word and put on the BBC and tagged with a different author. When I brought this to the attention of the BBC reporter he started ignoring me.

    Main stream media has been taking the content they choose and calling it their own for some time. Unfortunatly there doesn't seem to be anyway of controlling this because the media has a vested interest maintaining the status quo.

    Well that ends my rant.
    • So one guy put his name on someone else's press release for one story and that means "the mainstream media" are involved in some sort of conspiracy to swipe material? Way to go, anecdotal evidence.
    • by Niraj59 ( 935921 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @04:34PM (#14174819)
      As a journalist I have a little inside information for you: sometimes this happens and it's not plagiarism. Let me explain the logic:

      The author of the press release has no problem with you copying his or her material. In fact, he or she would prefer it. Press releases are worded in the best possible terms for the company sending them out. So some journalists see no problem using that material. And this isn't plagiarism (technically) since the author of the press release understands and, indeed, hopes it will happen (OED definition of plagiarism: "the wrongful appropriation or purloining, and publication as one's own, of the ideas, or the expression of the ideas (literary, artistic, musical, mechanical, etc.) of another."). Sometimes journalists borrow certain descriptions because the authors, being authorities on the topic (or at least having access to authorities on the topic), know how to phrase things in the most accurate terms.

      I, as well as most journalists, don't do this and, in fact, look down on it. But some see no problem with it. And technically it's not plagiarism.

      And also, most good journalists, if they do this, will append the statement with "according to the company's press release" which I consider to be an acceptable practice if used sparingly with subjects, such as scientific terminology, that can lose meaning in the translation from the press release to the journalist's writing.

      Sorry for the long post, but I thought you'd be interested.
      • Sorry, I still view it as plagiarism. If I did this in an academic setting, I could be in trouble (assuming anybody bothered to check). If a student copied a press release in a paper and didn't cite it the teacher would have every right to flunk him. You can be expelled for this offense in every college I have attended. That is another definition of plagiarism....

        Repeat after me, publishing press releases as your own work is not journalism. I know full well that is the POINT of press releases-get specific i
    • They also pointed me to their press release on the subject. Lo and behold if their press release was not taken word for word and put on the BBC and tagged with a different author. When I brought this to the attention of the BBC reporter he started ignoring me.

      That was most likely not plagarism. The company that made that press release most likely paid that reporter to pass it off as legitimate journalism [paulgraham.com].

    • Actually, there is a way around this. Copyright law states that the guy who had is writing stolen is owed $150,000 per incident. For online content, that means $150,000 PER HIT. Hell, you don't even need a lawyer threaten to sue for xBillion dollars and quote the law. They will settle right away, I imagine.
  • by dada21 ( 163177 ) * <adam.dada@gmail.com> on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:07PM (#14174219) Homepage Journal
    As a blogger (I actually started "blogging" almost 15 years ago on my BBS), I believe that the entire idea behind copyright is pretty lame. The income of bloggers comes from 3 mechanisms that really don't make copyright as important, and I think in the future we'll see some interesting google anti-"plagiarism" tools.

    Bloggers can make their money from ad revenue (adsense and the like), subscriptions and donations. A good blogger can easily make a low 5-figure income if they're good about consistency. Blogger information tends to be very real-time (even non-editorial pieces). Few bloggers publish book-style information, although this is growing. The audience of a blogger is sometimes one-time visitors, but the goal is repeat visitors. Blogs without repeat visitors in my opinion are failures (but this is disputable).

    I believe that google or a competitor is on the verge of "This page is almost identical to" style cross-linking. If an online newspaper posts an exact copy of a blog, or a book author rips off a paragraph from another, the browser toolbars will make short work of noticing it. We are very close with search engine heuristic research to take bigger snapshots than just "completely naked MILF" search tags.

    For a blogger to get copied without recognition, I can understand the anger. A newspaper stole their information! So what. The newspaper is dead. All a blogger has to do is mention who is quoted them (verbatim in some cases) and use it to build their following. Sure, being quoted in print might make it hard to find, and if you aren't referenced, then the paper is making income from your work, but NO newspaper could exist for very long strictly on "robbing" content.

    Take advantage of the free press even if they don't mention you. Bloggers have something similar to a newspaper in proving they wrote it first: caching search engines and "look backwards" web archives. All you need to do is make sure your blog is getting captured, and you can easily prove to your visitors that you've been quoted in the Floor Avenue Journal.
    • Why should bloggers ignore it when newspapers make money by copying their writings?

      Unauthorized copying and distributing of intellectual property is generally a Federal crime... And probably even far worse when done for a profit...

      Media companies (of all types) seem to be getting their way that copyright protection is essential to their business model... If they are violating their own laws, then I say let them taste their own medicine!

      Forget dreams of recongition.... If the front page of NYT was copied of
      • by dada21 ( 163177 ) * <adam.dada@gmail.com> on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:34PM (#14174309) Homepage Journal
        Why should bloggers ignore it when newspapers make money by copying their writings?

        Because the bloger "profits" by his words getting out there, even without recognition. I'd love to mention on my blog being copied by a powerful paper that forgot to credit me.

        Unauthorized copying and distributing of intellectual property is generally a Federal crime... And probably even far worse when done for a profit...

        I'm against copyright laws. If a company with ten floors of an office building and ten million dollars of print equipment "steals" my work, I would use it to my advantage to self-promote. The newspaper industry is a dying breed, these maneuvers are just proof of that.

        Media companies (of all types) seem to be getting their way that copyright protection is essential to their business model... If they are violating their own laws, then I say let them taste their own medicine!

        Copyright may have been important until 1990. The Internet allows instant cutting, pasting, linking and RSS pulls. Information has almost zero cost, infinite supply and low demand. Supply and demands dictating a price of zero. The fact that writers can still make money is proof that the information alone isn't the profit maker -- the layout, consistency and accuracy add just as much.

        If the front page of NYT was copied off your blog, you wouldn't sue? Just think of the paper sales, advertisement revenue, and national recongition they they are getting from *your* work.

        I think of my overhead versus theirs and would be ecstatic for the added publicity to my readers. There is no value in one article. I sell the package and the future.
        • "I think of my overhead versus theirs and would be ecstatic for the added publicity to my readers."

          What added publicity? If youre not getting credit, people might start to believe that you were the one plagerizing.

        • If a company with ten floors of an office building and ten million dollars of print equipment "steals" my work, I would use it to my advantage to self-promote.

          Except that they'd slap someone else's name on it, and you'd look like a nut claiming it was yours.

          And you'd have no recourse. They'd get all the credit and all the money.
        • I'm against copyright laws. If a company with ten floors of an office building and ten million dollars of print equipment "steals" my work, I would use it to my advantage to self-promote. The newspaper industry is a dying breed, these maneuvers are just proof of that.

          What happens when they sue you for copyright infringement?

          Copyright may have been important until 1990. The Internet allows instant cutting, pasting, linking and RSS pulls. Information has almost zero cost, infinite supply and low demand.

          • What happens when they sue you for copyright infringement?

            If they had the chutzpah to do that, it wouldn't be hard to show that the article was up on your own site first. You could point to a cached version at Google or the Wayback Machine, for example.

            That's why copyright is important - when the cost of duplication is zero, the only way to stop someone from ripping off your work is with a legal club.

            When the cost of duplication is zero, it doesn't make much sense to talk about "ripping off". The copy that'
            • If they had the chutzpah to do that, it wouldn't be hard to show that the article was up on your own site first. You could point to a cached version at Google or the Wayback Machine, for example.

              Are you forgetting the army of lawyers they would have? I doubt you could afford to defend yourself.

              When the cost of duplication is zero, it doesn't make much sense to talk about "ripping off". The copy that's on a newspaper's web site doesn't detract from the copy that's on your own web site.

              Bullshit. It sti

        • Are you missing the ethical issue? The verbatum lifting, and non-attibution of text is wrong, ethically. I'd actually view it a little beyong theft, since I do have more invested in my words than in my property. My words are my identity. There is more to life than money and getting your across, there are ethical standards of behavior (something that people increasingly ignore in their greed).

          Also, if you are not attributed, then how does this ever reflect back on you? And with the amount of pulp media
    • by drsanchez ( 706825 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:23PM (#14174274)
      ...I believe that the entire idea behind copyright is pretty lame. The income of bloggers comes from 3 mechanisms that really don't make copyright as important...
      Copyright has nothing to do with income. From the U.S. copyright office: "Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. "
      • The GP's point seems to be that it's not important for bloggers to "enforce their rights", since they can exploit such copying to their own ends more effectively than newspapers can exploit such copy-and-pasting to suit theirs. Therefore, the blogger needs no legal protections from the state -- they already have the upper hand in a copyright-free world.

        Jasin Natael
    • While I agree with you on the principle of copyright as it pertains to making money, I disagree that that is all that is at issue. Bloggers should be concerned because when main stream media takes their content and calls it their own the bloggers lose crediblity with those coming into the blogging world. While you may believe that the newspaper is dead, most others believe that it is just starting to die and if I go to a random website and see something that I read on the New York Times website with a diff
      • I recently finished an article describing how copyright doesn't really affect or help any artist. I think I'll post it to my blog shortly :)

        The information itself is worthless without packaging, distribution, marketing and performance support. Bands get nearly $0 from album sales or good reason -- the actual data is worth the least.
    • I went searching for "completely naked MILF" and I ended up reading this comment. Imagine how disappointed I was!

  • by coyote-san ( 38515 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:08PM (#14174221)
    How can you say that about journalists? PROFESSIONAL journalists, as they will quickly insist?

    Obviously the bloggers have stolen the stories from the mainstream media, then traveled back in time so they could post the stories "first" and thus embarrass the MSM.

    (Seriously, I'm sure that it's happening. But I wouldn't put some bloggers past copying material from other sources and then backdating it in an effort to make themselves look "connected".)
  • by get out of debt ( 886275 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:11PM (#14174232) Homepage
    Blog = Google topic + Paste links + Add opinions from my over inflated ego; That is so much better than edit, copy, paste news
  • by abigsmurf ( 919188 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:26PM (#14174283)
    I may just be browsing in a bad way, but I couldn't find any links showing the supposed articles that were 'copying' the blogs, all I could find was a quote of an article "suspiciouly similar". Is it so hard to post links to the articles or take screenshots so you can directly compare them? One of the articles accused The Guardian of lifting the idea for using Vickey Pollard quotes when covering the election. Excuse me but Little Britain was the most popular show on TV at the time and you couldn't go 10 minutes without someone quoting it. It isn't too much of a stretch to assume that people would come up with using little britain quotes to talk about the election in a similar way. Newspaper writers aren't stupid, they know that if they rip off something people will notice, they'll lose their well paid jobs and won't ever be employed in the newspaper business again

    • Slightly OT, but If only the same were true for corporate CEOs.
    • No kidding. I specifically researched the last claim:

      A new entrant for the award is The Sun's new "The Whip" column, (which looks a bit like a blog and asks readers to email tips...) Living up to their name, they whipped Recess Monkey's story about Andrew Rosindell's dead dog Spike, the day after it appeared on his blog.

      Here is the quote that "Guy Fawkes" claims was stolen from "Recess Monkey":

      I HADN'T heard of Lee Scott before, but the new Tory MP for Ilford North might well be a miracle worker with hidden
  • by julesh ( 229690 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:27PM (#14174288)
    Perhaps a link to the winner would be more appropriate than to the list of nominations?

    Here it is, in all its glory: http://5thnovember.blogspot.com/2005/12/and-winner -is.html [blogspot.com]
  • ... one of the most famous Hungarian online journal, Index.hu . Whenever I see a technology news there, I know that it appeared in Slashdot four hours before.
  • by jonathan_95060 ( 69789 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:31PM (#14174298)
    If the claim is true and the bloggers haven't authorized the plagarism then that is an egregious infringement of copyright. Said bloggers should sue those lazy newspapers.
    • My wife and I went to a lawyer to get some legal advice on her possibly pursuing a copyright infringement suit against a movie studio. The lawyer explained that copyright suits have to take place in federal courts and that it would probably take twenty to thirty grand just to get the suit to trial and another twenty or so to finish the trial. Even if the suit is a ``no brainer'' in the plaintiff's favor, we were told that the defendant almost certainly won't even think about settling until all motions to di
  • , but I have yet to read a blog rather than stumbling upon one by mistake, I just don't find diary's that interesting I suppose.
  • by penguin-collective ( 932038 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:52PM (#14174392)
    I mean, with all the quality control, detailed background search, and preservation of journalistic ethics that goes into their work, they just don't have any time anymore to actually write their own stories. And that's not even taking into account all the time that those poor, overworked journalists have to invest in being talking heads on various television shows and "news" programs, all the hors-d'oeuvres they have to consume at Washington and New York parties with important people, and all the fake book reviews they have to write for their own books on Amazon.
    • OK fine, a journalist ripping off someone else's blog post is a bad thing and shouldn't be happening. But the kind of vitriol against the media exhibited by the parent is pretty disturbing. Yes, I know this is Slashdot ... but do people really have this kind of attitude about journalism these days, that they would rather see some guy rattle off a rant in a blog post than read a story in the New York Times?

      Yes, I know these are difficult times for journalism and there are a lot of challenges facing the so-ca
      • Yes, I know this is Slashdot ... but do people really have this kind of attitude about journalism these days, that they would rather see some guy rattle off a rant in a blog post than read a story in the New York Times?

        The NYT is a media company with more than $3bn annual revenues. Its journalists are highly paid with clear career goals and incentives. You're naive if you think you get any kind of accurate reporting from that kind of institution, and it shows in their selective and biased reporting.

        In the
  • by Mewtwo ( 878960 ) <MewtwoStruckBack@@@aol...com> on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:54PM (#14174403)
    I mean, seriously...how many stories has Slashdot lifted from other tech sites?
    • Twice per story?
    • All of the time, you look at the posting, and a /. editer posts that a second party is writing a brief summary of a more indepth article that clearly listed as the source and with a link to the material in its original context, then puts a more sensationalistic rant at the end. If the "pro" had done the same it wouldn't be plagerism. It would have been interesting to have had links for us to do our own comparisons, especialy if the blog was hosted on a site that automates the inclusion of time stamps.
    • I know you're joking, but who reads slashdot for the submissions? I thought we were all here to read the comments, and maybe, just maybe, get that coveted +5 moderation.
    • how many stories has Slashdot lifted from other tech sites?

      itself included?
  • by DenDude ( 922896 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @02:58PM (#14174436) Homepage
    I have been reading this guy's stuff for a couple years, and it's already happened to him a couple times. Just recently, there was a radio guy that stole his piece about Cameron Diaz : http://maddox.xmission.com/ [xmission.com].

    I think part of the problem is that most of the print press doesn't realize how many people actually read this stuff. Maddox has a counter on each of his articles that shows unique visitors, and at the time of this radio guy ripping him off, this article already had 312,000 visitors, and over 100 million total for his site.
  • by Wonderkid ( 541329 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @03:03PM (#14174454) Homepage
    a) When the Mac Mini was first announced and a certain open source media hub project was announced soon after, I wrote a commentary that Apple would certainly launch a fully integrated iApp type solution within the year, rendering the open source venture obsolete. This was picked up by a specific blog, with no credit to my posting on their own forums. b) More recently, and more specific than the last example, after Apple announced a major investment in Flash memory supplies, rather than comment on the obvious use in future iPods, I discussed the practicality of a Powerbook Nano. A totally solid state machine designed for instant on and robust handling. Effectively, the next iBook - and ideal for destructive kids. The same Mac blog then discussed this, again, NOT crediting my posting on several forums, their's included! (Separately, I believe that a touch screen pen / keyboard hybrid could be on the horizon too.) Anyway, as a technical innovator, I believe the theft of ideas to be as great a sin as the theft of physical property, and should be punished accordingly. Hmmm?
  • Got To Be Kidding (Score:3, Insightful)

    by N8F8 ( 4562 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @03:13PM (#14174495)
    Virtually every morning TV and Radio show gets their matierial from bloggers and pseudo reporters.
  • The poll has ended. (Score:4, Informative)

    by jambarama ( 784670 ) <jambarama AT gmail DOT com> on Saturday December 03, 2005 @03:28PM (#14174543) Homepage Journal
    The results are here [blogspot.com].
  • I've done writing on the Internet to verious forums over the years and have had more stories or posts plagarized than I can count. I had one timely story I wrote get copied and published by print newspapers worldwide. All of this has been done without crediting me as the source. I don't mind that people copy these stories or posts, but I do mind when I don't get credit.

    So the question is, if my work has been published in printed media under someone else's name can I claim to be a "published journalist"?

    • The problem is it's too widespread to nail down at the moment

      If you lookup *anything* on google you'll find dozens of sites with the same explanation, the same wording and in many cases the exact same page layout. Who was first? Certainly most of these sites are blatant ripoffs.

      I did cause one site to give up - he'd created a website which was a copy/paste job from a different website, and put his own name on the copyright. He then had the audacity to start publicising his 'site' by spamming a board I was
  • Very much the same thing.

    Exactly the same thing.

    Word for word...

    Wait a minute!! The BBC ripped off my blog!
  • Is this the opposite of when people cut-and-paste chunks of (or entire) articles into slashdot submissions?
  • by Durindana ( 442090 ) on Saturday December 03, 2005 @05:23PM (#14174997)
    Major premise: Passing off bloggers' (or anyone else's) work as one's own is unprofessional, often illegal, and plain bad. Granted.

    Minor premise: Bloggers and other non-professionals are way, way, way more commonly guilty of this than professional journalists are, especially those from reputable sources, i.e. old-school print journalism.

    I once was a newspaper reporter myself, strictly local, quite small-time, and I guaran-damn-tee you I found my stuff (or more accurately, my employer's stuff) ripped off by bloggers and other folks online, messageboards and what have you, all the time, approximately [infinity] more than I stole material, which of course I never did.

    Non-professionals just don't have the ethics background that keeps the vast majority of mainstream reporters from going anywhere near plagiarism. Yes, it's much more obvious when people with a megaphone do it and yes, those folks are getting paid for it while amateurs (at least usually) are not, but let's not kid ourselves.

    Professionals with their heads screwed on straight just don't do this, which is why "press scandals" are not only rare but highly visible. Non-professionals, no matter their influence on the news culture and competitive pressure on mainstream media, are far more prone to plagiarism.

    How about we nominate a Blog Plagiarist of the Year too?
    • ... probably because it would be hard to pick just one blog.

      There are literally thousands of bot-driven spam blogs out there that just steal articles from other sources, be they blogs or mainstream news articles, and post them as their own to benefit from ad revenue.

      Plagiarism of other kinds is amusing to find sometimes, though. I remember doing a project on Hayao Miyazaki when I was in highschool. I found what appeared to be a pretty legit (based on other sources that I'd read) biography of him online...
    • Professionals with their heads screwed on straight just don't do this

      No offence, but apparently you're mistaken!

  • Who cares? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Fantastic Lad ( 198284 ) on Sunday December 04, 2005 @02:06AM (#14176905)
    The whole reason blogs exist is to provide an alternative to the sham of Big Media. So who cares what they publish?

    I stopped reading/listening/believing what came out of the Big Money Mouthpiece years ago. There are only two reasons to pay attention to Big Media. . .

    1. To look for slipped truths through comparative readings of the same story/information as published by several different groups and outlets.

    2. To see what herding techniques are being used on the population and thereby get a heads-up and prepare for whatever new scam is coming down the pike. The "Avian Flu Virus" bugaboo is an excellent case in point. When that much media hype is unleashed, your Goebbels [wikipedia.org] Alarm should start ringing like crazy.

    So if Big Media starts cutting and pasting your blog content, perhaps you should take a second look at what you're publishing. If your message is pure, chances are you'll be ignored or marginalized rather than given the seal of authoritarian approval. Just a thought.


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