Sony's SunnComm DRM Patch a Security Risk 218
Spad writes "The BBC is reporting that mere days after the EFF and Sony announced a patch to fix the vulnerability in its SunnComm DRM system, security researchers Ed Felten and Alex Halderman have discovered that the patch itself introduces yet more vulnerabilities. They have now asked users not to apply the patch and are urging Sony to recall all of the affected CDs from sale. Sony has said that approximately six million CDs using [SunnComm] MediaMax have been shipped to stores. Affected artists include Alicia Keys, Britney Spears, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Faithless."
Eat me, Sony. (Score:5, Insightful)
Sony will get to write off the bad CDs as defective at the end of the fiscal year. You or I accidentally burn something on the stove and we absorb the cost.
The publishers are just middlemen (middle-management?) scrambling to keep their distribution means relevant: cut them out like a cancer.
a) Freely download
b) Buy what you like (second hand if possible)
c) Pay to see the artists live
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:2)
Jerry: George, you can't take that, it's stealing!
George: These big companies, they just write it off anyways.
Jerry: Write it off? Do you even know what that means?
George: Yeah, uh, er, no.
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:5, Funny)
Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:3, Interesting)
I would honestly like to see Sony taken to court for this. This is nothing but a spyware case by a large, global company who thought they could get away with it.
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:3, Funny)
Fixed it for you.
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:2)
Why can't
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Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:2)
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:5, Insightful)
they already do charge the artists! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:3, Informative)
50% of $20 = $10 available to shareholders and $10 in taxes. If the company then distributes that $10 to the shareholders (sends them a check) the shareholder's have to pay taxes on the money recieved on their personal income taxes.
Ok, now assume they have a recall that costs them $5. So its $20 - $5 writeoff = $15. $15 x 50% = 7.50 in taxes,
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:2)
Yeah, and but don't then turn around and complain if a company infringes on the GPL. I think that would be called hypocrisy.
b) Buy what you like (second hand if possible)
I already buy almost all of my music second hand.
c) Pay to see the artists live
That's usually stupidly expensive, I think most of the money probably goes to the property owners anyway.
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:3, Insightful)
That really depends on the bands you like to see. I often go to concerts for $10 to $20. I've also seen some pretty popular artists for quite cheap. You just have to be smart about what bands you see. In my eyes, no band is worth the $80 arena ticket so you can see them from 500 ft. away. However, many bands that i may not like so much, are really fun to go and see when you can be within 50 ft. (1
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:2)
Re:Eat me, Sony. (Score:3, Interesting)
Since Clear Channel typically owns the venue, puts the tour together, owns the radio s
legit CDs are no longer a safe option (Score:2)
Virii, worms and DRM ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Virii, worms and DRM ... (Score:2)
Re:Virii, worms and DRM ... (Score:2)
Considering sony's stance, IMHO the AV companies should change their position, and their customers should demand it.
Re:Virii, worms and DRM ... (Score:2)
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</PRAGMATIC>Re:Virii, worms and DRM ... (Score:2)
Re:Virii, worms and DRM ... (Score:2)
Phew! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Phew! (Score:2)
Judging by my recent cd purchases, I'll be safe evermore.
Re:Phew! (Score:2)
Re:Phew! (Score:2)
About the most 'pop' artist I've bought a CD from was Nickelback, but they've been a disappointment since 'The Long Road' so I feel pretty safe on the CD front. Just looking at the kind of music-based podcasts I listen to will show you that most of the artists I listen to are self-sufficient. As for the few mainstream songs I do get these days, I'll pony up the dollar for a download on iTunes considering
Nice (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Nice (Score:5, Interesting)
This particular bug gets installed even if you decline the EULA [freedom-to-tinker.com]. Sony and Sunncomm, what a wonderful combination. Remember, this is the same company that tried suing someone [theregister.co.uk] for putting on their web site "Hold the shift key down while inserting a copy protected CD to prevent the DRM software from being installed."
Just shaking my head at their idiocy and getting ready to watch the fireworks, assuming anything actually happens because of this mess.
Re:Nice (Score:2)
Re:Nice (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Nice (Score:2)
Re:Nice (Score:2)
Re:Nice (Score:2)
CD's are purposely marketed and sold to minors.
Porn isn't.
So the GP has a valid point. Can Sony get sued for trying to force/enforce an illegal contract?
The music gene pool is self correcting (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The music gene pool is self correcting (Score:2)
I'm rather suprised Faithless is signed to Sony, but *shrug.*
PS -- God is a DJ :)
Re:The music gene pool is self correcting (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh goodness! More to investigate and recall. (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.independentbands.com/cd/switchfoot/not
Some interesting info was brought to my attention today by http://www.glynhotz.com/ [glynhotz.com] the lawyer in Ontario suing Sony over XCP for consumers in Canada. EMI issued a recall on a DRM infected CD, on October 6, shortly after Sony was notified of the rootkit in their XCP CDs.
Any one care to investigate this further?
http://www.boycottsony.us/ [boycottsony.us]
Re:Oh no! Don't write about us on your blog! (Score:2)
Not that I'm getting all self-important mind you, but you just shouldn't completely discount the possibility that a blog is backed with action behind the scenes by opening up communication between motivate
Re:Oh no! Don't write about us on your blog! (Score:2)
Re:Oh no! Don't write about us on your blog! (Score:2)
Bitten by the patch? (Score:3, Funny)
Someone should write a song about that.
Re:Bitten by the patch? (Score:5, Funny)
Oops, I Did It Again?
Sony, there's something i want you to have (Score:2)
Suncomm (smiling evilishly): yes, it is.
Sony: But I thought it had a rootkit and you dropped it into the dumpster.
Suncomm: Well baby, I went down and patched it for ya.
Sony: Aww, you shouldn't have...
OOPS, I DID IT AGAIN!
Re:Bitten by the patch? (Score:5, Funny)
DRMed if you do, DRMed if you don't
Re:Bitten by the patch? Lyrics (Score:3, Funny)
Lyrics by me.
I got hit by the flaw, and bitten by the patch
A computer rebuild, a 'driver with a ratchet
It's hit me, it'll be hitting you
How much did you pay for that Sony Doo-Doo?
I Put a music CD in my CD-Drive
Hit "I Accept" to some DRM jive
Now I'm here, waiting for the other shoe
and to make it worse, the music sucked too
Hit by the flaw, bitten by the patch
That company just said bend-over biatch
Bitten by the patch, hit by the flaw
hold on to your hat, 'cause that ain't al
Re:Bitten by the patch? Lyrics (Score:3, Funny)
Something about that line struck me terribly funny. Bravo.
I hope you're not mad that I reprinted it without permission [slashdot.org].
Re:Bitten by the patch? Lyrics (Score:2)
Re:Bitten by the patch? (Score:4, Funny)
then I placed it in my cd tray
My songs started playing to my delight
Then I danced away through the night
Never suspecting the sinister plan
That was put in place by the music man
My computer began to sneer and snort
Viruses were streaming through the ports
No matter what, I could not see
The viruses were hidden from me
I never suspected the sinister plan
That was put in place by the music man
I patched the bug and felt ok
My computer would live another day
but then my box fell to it's knees
no more bits could it process for me
I never suspected the sinister plan
Now I'll never buy from the music man.
Good bye Sony. (Score:2, Interesting)
I for one am not going to buy any CDs from Sony anytime soon. If I do I will rip them on my Linux box and burn clean copies to use.
Re:Good bye Sony. (Score:2)
Re:Good bye Sony. (Score:2)
For this to make any long-term difference whatsoever, an enormous boycott would be needed.
Sony/BMG, A Division of Al-Qaida (Score:2, Funny)
there is no other plausible explaination for the number of times Sony/BMG has shot itself in the nuts over copy protection that cannot do what they want it to do. it MUST be a plot against humanity by the AntiChrist. no other logic works out.
This could be a good thing: (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:This could be a good thing: (Score:2)
Re:This could be a good thing: (Score:2)
JOhn
Why was the EFF involved in this? (Score:5, Insightful)
The EFF should have pointed out the vulnerabilities to Sony and left it at that, there was no need for the EFF to lend its name to Sony's fix for the problem.
Re:Why was the EFF involved in this? (Score:3, Interesting)
--
Think!
Re:Why was the EFF involved in this? (Score:2)
Re:Why was the EFF involved in this? (Score:2, Informative)
In accordance with standard information security practices, EFF and iSEC delayed public disclosure of the details of the exploit to provide SunnComm the opportunity to develop an update.
IMHO: I admit that I don't know all the implications of the EFF move, probably no one does at this time. However, I would be prudent before blaming them. If Sony begins to listen to intelligent people instead
Re:Why was the EFF involved in this? (Score:2, Informative)
Oh what a tangled web we weave... (Score:4, Interesting)
Now if people can be sued for unlawful downloading, do people have the right to sue for unlawful malware?
I think I will go on over to Microsoft.com and find some information about 'Sony rootkit'
Here are my results:
Results for:
all the words: sony rootkit; category: Support & Troubleshooting; site: All of Microsoft.com;
Support & Troubleshooting
no results were found in this category.
Sony is out of touch (Score:5, Interesting)
They're constantly pushing for technologies that people don't want and hopefully is going to hurt Sony. First there was the memory stick, now destructive DRM and the possibility of locking down PS3 games to one device. If lawsuits don't correct this (and they most likely won't), it's up to the consumer to correct the issue with their wallet.
gasmonso http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]Re:Sony is out of touch (Score:2)
original article from Felten and Halderman (Score:5, Informative)
Big surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
There will be an updated patch eventually that actually does a half decent job of removing the worst of the security holes - they'll have to if they don't want a blanket removal of all their spyware from AV companies as a security measure. Not even a giant of Sony's stature can last too long being seen actively attacking and damaging all of their customers.
Then, after the news outlets have had their fill of the story, 6 months or so down the line they won't be wanting to run the same thing over again. Sony will then be free to come out with the next wave of evil but slightly less dangerous malware. That's how it goes. The next round will be a bit less dangerous, a LOT more secretive, but with the same anti-consumer schemes.
That's my opinion, anyway.
Well there is some proof of this (Score:3, Insightful)
They keep hoping that this time the consumers will be ready for it. Someday, they will be right.
Recall won't be so effective... (Score:2, Funny)
Anyway, the patch is a non-issue for Americans who are prohibitted by law from downloading or applying it. The patch issue only effects people in countries where it is not illegal to modify/remove/circumvent DRM software. In the States the solution is much simpler: just format the disk and reinstall the OS.
Re:Recall won't be so effective... (Score:2)
conspiracy teory (Score:5, Insightful)
2. sum up the recall of the cds and drm development into "loses due to pirates"
3. lots of news: "p2p makes music company loose money!"
4. ?
5. PROFIT!
Re:conspiracy teory (Score:2)
2. Paint it and add a nice suction cup for cars
3. ???
4. Profit!!
This is a good thing, in the long run (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:This is a good thing, in the long run (Score:4, Insightful)
I disagree. Even though in theory this should happen, I feel that anyone who understood the nature and purpose of DRM was already against it in every way. I don't think that this fiasco attracted anyone's attention except of those who are already pretty much against DRM. This isn't really a M$ Vs. Linux Vs. Mac debate, where each party has its own arguments. I think that even the people who are against piracy kinda see how pointless these types of measures are, especially those that harm the innocent (i.e. the thing about not being able to copy more than 3 times screwing over iPod users?).
Illegal (Score:4, Informative)
"Sony BMG said the MediaMax copy protection system, which is supposed to stop people making illegal copies of CDs, has been used on 50 titles sold in North America."
Why do the keep emphasizing, "making illegal copies" when it is not illegal? I have the right to make as many copies as I want. What I cannot do is make un-authorized copies (fair use IS authorized) or distribute those copies.
Man Bites Dog (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Man Bites Dog (Score:2)
IGNORE THEM.
Don't protest, don't argue, don't boycott, don't fight.
Just ignore them. I couldn't name you five popular Sony labeled bands or groups. Stop thinking about it.
Are people really that compelled to buy every piece of music they come into?
Tom
Affected artists ... (Score:2)
What does that have to do with a story about DRM? We already know they're affected.
finally now i can use p2p again (Score:3, Funny)
What people need to do (Score:2)
I know! (Score:2, Funny)
What's this "mere days"? (Score:2)
Anyone have one? (Score:2)
What a good product might look like (Score:4, Interesting)
- could play in all CD players, including PCs and car stereos?
- had an extra track with non-DRM MP3s, OGG, and WMA files?
- included cover art in JPG and PNG format?
- included the full lyrics in TXT format?
- was free from DRM and other executables?
- (oh, and actually had songs you liked)
Would you buy this? I would.
Then how do we get rid of this thing? (Score:3, Funny)
CURSE YOU SONY!!! and your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
Re:Then how do we get rid of this thing? (Score:2)
I charge $75 - $85 to F&R and driver it up.
More Sony "Silliness" (Score:2)
Re:More Sony "Silliness" (Score:2)
Unlike IBM, however, Sony says it's paying businesses and building owners for the right to graffiti their walls.
Curious... (Score:2, Insightful)
Fight fire with fire... (Score:2)
According to a Slashdot user, the Music Listeners' Association is stepping up to launch the next phase in the consumer industry's battle against government-protected music. The MLA is demanding jail time for the maintainers of CDs offering undocumented rootkits and worms. The MLA President has stated that refusing CDs and imposing boycotts is not enough, stating that by 'throw [ing]in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective' in its crusade."
So let me get this right... (Score:5, Insightful)
x virus was written to use rootkit
x lied about it sending info
x licensing was illegal
x contained stolen copyrighted code
x created patch that contained vulnerability
x patch collected info from machine
x another drm contained vulnerability
x created patch with vulnerability
9 strikes. Did I leave anything out?
Be a software pirate.... (Score:2, Informative)
Judge, I bought the CDs (Score:2)
I've heard too much about vulnerabilities and the like regarding these CDs. I bought the CDs, left them in the wrapper, and downloaded the music online. What's wrong with that?
"Remote Attestation" and content access monopolies (Score:3, Informative)
ALL third party and more importantly operating system based DRM puts the user at greater risk. If the DRM code itself is not exploited then there are always new vulnerabilities being discovered in the media players and browsers used to play and display encoded content.
August 02, 2005 "Remote Attestation" and content access monopolies [blogspot.com]
Re:great way to keep kids away from britney... (Score:2, Insightful)
I work in an IT company. We develop software for the masses. Yet two of my colleagues did not know the term "rootkit" or have heard about the Sony goof
Re:great way to keep kids away from britney... (Score:2)
The problem is not with the mainstream media failing to report on this sort of an issue, for whatever reason. The problem is that the public in general is dumb enough to only get their news from the mainstream media.
So instead of complaining about how the mainstream media isn't reporting, do something beneficial. Info
Re:OK. (Score:2)
However, that's pretty unlikely, seeing as Sony's one of the Big Five that screws over the public ANYWAY...
Re:Web 2.0 (Score:2, Insightful)
Please don't use the word 'leverage' again unless you can estimate a value in newton metres. It makes you sound like a PHB.
Rephrasing into sensible English,
sites are able to use Web 2.0 technologies
Re:Web 2.0 (Score:2)
Re:Don't sit HERE whining, TELL THEM (Score:2)
Re:Don't sit HERE whining, TELL THEM (Score:2)
sound of their share price falling when people stop buying.
Re:Don't sit HERE whining, TELL THEM (Score:5, Informative)
The corporate headquarters for Sony Music Entertainment Inc. is located in New York City:
Sony Music Entertainment Inc.
550 Madison Ave
New York, NY 10022-3211
sonymusiconline@sonymusic.com