iTunes Credited with Boosting Primetime Ratings 263
grandgator writes "TV Week reports on NBC's claims that iTunes downloads are boosting ratings for their primetime shows. Citing one example 'NBC's "The Office" delivered a 5.1-its highest ratings ever-last Thursday among adults 18 to 49, a bump the network credits in large part to the show's popularity as an iPod download. Such a connection between podcast success and broadcast ratings success is particularly significant because the NBC data is among the first available evidence of what network executives have been gambling on when striking their new media deals-that the new video platforms are additive because they provide more entry points into a show for consumers.'"
That can't be right (Score:4, Funny)
Re:That can't be right (Score:3, Funny)
Re:That can't be right (Score:3, Interesting)
podcast (Score:5, Informative)
Re:and it's HORRIBLE (Score:2)
Well if it is so horrible why does it have such a high rating. I don't think the anonymous Coward gets the humor. The stuff that comes out of Karl, one of Ricky's friends, is unbelievable.
Too bad it seems that Ricky is only going to do 12 podcasts.
-S
Makes sence (Score:5, Informative)
Moreover, it's the only (legal) way I can watch Battlestar Galactica on a weekly basis.
Re:Makes sence (Score:2)
Re:Makes sence (Score:2)
Legal? Probably not in the strictest definition, but no different than a VCR or DVD recorder (unless
Watching shows around the water cooler (Score:3, Insightful)
PMPs fin
Re:Watching shows around the water cooler (Score:2)
That's the man, officer! Plain as day admitted to a public, non-domestic performance intention. Lock the bastard up, and throw away the key...
What do you mean "fair use" rights? Don't you know they were
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Re:Makes sence (Score:2, Informative)
Uhm, perhaps there are places in the world where there's no sci-fi network on cable tv? Not everyone lives in the US.
Re:Makes sence (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Makes sence (Score:2)
Or the person may work friday nights or (gasp) have a social life and not have a tivo/vcr.
I know i'm happy it's availabe on itunes since i know i'll miss it friday night but i can watch it when i get back home on sunday.
50 bucks a month? (Score:2)
I'm not talking a package deal ($80-90 for cable modem plus cable service), I'm talking $80-90 for the TV service ALONE. Cable modem is another $40ish (plus/minus 5-10 dollars, I don't remember the exact amount.)
Cablevision sucks. A channel with commercials should NEVER be put into a top premium tier. Sci-Fi is the ONLY channel in the silver/gold premiu
Re:50 bucks a month? (Score:2)
Re:50 bucks a month? (Score:2)
Re:Makes sence (Score:2, Interesting)
Lopata.
P.S. The major problem of the iTunes Store (and any subscription service for that matter) is that you have to have good internet connection. And still, video of good enough quality takes lots of space. (Think DivX or MPEG4/AVC: 10 minutes ~ 100MB or more). Even if Apple would start selling h.264 full size movie downloads - who would want to pay money for ability to kill connection for a whole day or more? With all the DRMing stuff that w
Re:Makes sence (Score:4, Interesting)
I know, I don't have a TV. Most of my friends don't have a TV. I don't care paying for digital joy 24/7, I have internet and a monthly subscription to a postal dvd service, and that's enough for me. If tomorow I get bored, I would rather take WoW than TV !
However from time to time ( like for Battlestar Galactica ) I would like to be able to download 1 specific show (
But anyway, I'm out of luck, there is no itune download here in the uk
Obvious (Score:5, Funny)
Well, I was shocked (Score:2)
So a rise in TV viewership came as a surprise to them. And since their logic seemed sound, it seemed so to me, too.
Not that I was crying for them. I'd much rather see local affiliates go away and have the bandwidth replaced b
iTunes Payola (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:iTunes Payola (Score:4, Insightful)
This makes no sense. People aren't going to browse iTunes looking for good TV shows to watch. They're going to download the shows that they missed. This makes the series more watchable, because missing a single episode doesn't ruin the plot. (It also makes it more portable)
But, your scenario you described is silly. You fail.
Re:iTunes Payola (Score:2)
On the contrary, it's one of the best ways to try out new TV shows. You are feeling bored on a Sunday afternoon so you browse for something that looks interesting and sink $2 on the first episode. If you like it you watch more, and if you don't you aren't out much.
Contrast to conventional TV, where if you want to try a show you have to figure out when it is on and arrange to be at a TV at that particular time -- and forget about start
Re:iTunes Payola (Score:2)
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Re:iTunes Payola (Score:3, Insightful)
It might happen, but it won't be as bad as on radio. On the radio, if they pay, you can hear it, if they don't pay, you can't hear it. On iTunes, what would happ
Re:iTunes Payola (Score:2)
How long will it now take before we start seeing iTunes Payola.
That is a good question. So far, however, Apple deserves our admiration for not giving in to this temptation. Many people assumed that Apple would do this very thing with music, it was/is common practice on the radio. Even with the majority of the music download market they have not showed any preferential treatment.
If network executives have even half a brain (which is doubtful) they will be working on deals to offer a few free episodes of
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Re:Wish I could say I predicted this... (Score:2)
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Re:Wish I could say I predicted this... (Score:2)
Appointment Viewing is Dead (Score:3, Insightful)
Finally, Appointment Viewing is Dead! iTunes
It's obvious! (Score:5, Funny)
No wonder video iPods are such a hit.
Re:It's obvious! (Score:5, Interesting)
I wanted to see how it was so I downloaded the free battlestar galatica season opener special. I played it on my TV just fine and it looked just like the regular shows. Other than the fact it was commercial free and I could pause it at will.
So i downloaded the season 2 and every night for 4 nights I watched 2-3 episodes to get the season i missed. Now I can watch the new episodes without having missed anything.
On my TV downstairs on the couch. I do wish HD was an option but that's okay for $2 I can watch it when i want to without interruption.
What I want to know though is is apple selling more quicktime pro licenses. It's the only way to get good fullscreen viewing of protected content. I wish mplayer would work but it doesn't.
Re:It's obvious! (Score:2)
tell application "QuickTime Player"
present front movie scale screen
end tell
(Normally that second line would be indented)
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Re:It's obvious! (Score:3, Informative)
Inded, you are Rignt. Here it is:
Edit->Preferences. Select Playback tab. Check "Play videos" at the bottom, in the drop-down box pick "full screen".
Re:It's obvious! (Score:2)
Why are you playing them with a different application at all. You're already right there in iTunes, which can play any format QT can play, and do so in full-screen mode.
I've even started using iTunes as my default media player for all my video files, including the Doctor Who bootlegs I scored off the newsgroups. It works
If Only... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:If Only... (Score:2, Informative)
Just because music or videos are sold through iTMS does not make them podcasts. A podcast [wikipedia.org] is something very specific, and is not even related to Apple, Mac's, iPods, or iTunes, other than the fact that you have the option of using said technology to listen to them.
Re:If Only... (Score:2, Funny)
"very specific"
did you even read the definition of a podcast? What's your reply got to do with my post or the parent?
Are you confused about podcasts of video content?
Are you trying to turn this into some kind of fruity catfight about the semantics of a podcast?
enthrall me with your acumen
Re:If Only... (Score:2)
Amen brother (Score:2)
Very similar to Seinfeld in that respect. But NBC was able to cultivate it into a hit. Fox would have killed Seinfeld halfway into the 2nd season.
Re:If Only... (Score:2)
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You're joking, right? (Score:2)
Re:If Only... (Score:2)
Mass media entertainment to the rescue? (Score:4, Interesting)
At its worst, there'll be alot of iPod video junkies strung out waiting for their next hit.
TV anywhere and everywhere, the new opiate for the masses.
a good start (Score:2)
Good for The Office, good (?) for NBC (Score:5, Interesting)
A few things I wonder about though:
1. now that NBC's taken this (presumably risky, in their minds) step in new-fangled distribution, and now that they've seen some early signs of success, will they now believe they invented this new medium and start demanding higher pricing, forced purchase of "blocks" of episodes, or -gasp- more DRM restrictions from Jobs & co?
2. Does anyone know the story behind NBC's decision to go iTunes in the first place? I'm just guessing here, but I'm thinking there was a rebel executive somewhere who had to do jump through hoops to convince management that this was a good choice. Of course, that just might be jaded old me predisposed to think the worst of labels and studios based on their traditional less-than-progressive stances on anything that challenges their conventional wisdom.
3. I wonder at what point is it financially worth it for a studio to produce a "TV" show and sell it exclusively off-air. For example, Arrested Development [savethebluths.org] is one of the most brilliant shows to come on in years, but it's doing rather poorly in viewer ratings. Conceivably, if it sold on iTunes, and DVD & iTunes sales were strong enough, would a studio ever have enough balls to make a TV show that wasn't distributed on TV?
Re:Good for The Office, good (?) for NBC (Score:2, Informative)
I don't know about NBC, but at the TV company I work for the executives do see the writing on the wall (BitTorrent et al. scarred the hell out of them) and are looking at ways of tapping into the onine market. So I doubt NBC management need much convincing - if an
Re:Good for The Office, good (?) for NBC (Score:2)
Seeing as the studios make straight to syndication series, then one could assume that if the iTunes & DVD market grew large enough, then they probably would start taking the risks. I suppose it would follow a similar format to what happens now - if enough people watch the pilot (which I bet for dramas would be more like made for tv movie
It's happened before (Score:3, Interesting)
But now that iTunes is offering their shows (and paying them for every download) they're suddenly very keen to advertise the positive role that the internet can play in increasing exposure to their programmes.
Overall, though, it's definitely a good thing. Any press that demonstrates that internet downloads can benefit tv corporations as well as harming them increases the chance of a decent compromise between illegal file-sharing and drm'ed-to-the-gills restrictive legal downloads.
The irony (Score:5, Informative)
This comes after weeks long scandals by the TV networks that the iPod videos would ruin their ratings.
Well this is great, because MPAA and RIAA will finally acknowledge the need for legal instant internet movie downloads, and stop claiming that piracy costs them in the billions ignoring the promotion value! Not.
Testimonial.. (Score:2, Interesting)
So basically... (Score:2, Insightful)
Eyeballs (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't you find it especially intimidating TV execs when they refer to people as eyeballs [roxettebunny.mu.nu]?
Re:Eyeballs (Score:2)
Why do you think SATA was invented? The slave disk were ready to go on a strike any moment now.
You hear that Bluth family! (Score:5, Funny)
I am so sick of Fox being the network where great shows go to die.
Re:You hear that Bluth family! (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah, but then every episode would start off with that time he filmed himself having a mock light-saber battle in the garage.
When will they get the Daily Show?! (Score:3, Insightful)
Pipedreams I guess....
Re:When will they get the Daily Show?! (Score:2)
You can get the daily show for free on Comedy Central already?
Re:When will they get the Daily Show?! (Score:2)
a: Having cable(not free!)
b: living in the US(I don't right now, and the Daily Show is one of the things I miss most)
I could probably try tracking it down on bittorrent, but it's just too much of a pain.
Re:When will they get the Daily Show?! (Score:2)
I watch it there daily.
Re:When will they get the Daily Show?! (Score:2)
The same Daily Show is ran several times a day - and TiVO doesn't recognise the duplicate showings as being reruns.
The Daily Show is already available, free (Score:2)
http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show
Once I discovered that, I canceled my cable subscription.
Re:When will they get the Daily Show?! (Score:2)
For Windows, ATI's new transcoding utility is really fast. For linux, I'm not sure what I'd use yet since I'm still working on getting my wireless card (Atheros-based) working under Fedora Core 4 using WPA.
Really, though, buying episodes from the itunes store is for the 99.9999% of the population that DOESN'T have a homebrew PVR. M
Re:When will they get the Daily Show?! (Score:2)
Not t
Re:When will they get the Daily Show?! (Score:2)
H.264 video: up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in
MPEG-4 video: up to 2.5 mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in
Huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
How are those two different? (aside from the money factor)
Re:Huh? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Huh? (Score:2, Insightful)
My guess (Score:2)
The 3 factors that are different from iTunes and usenet/BT are:
1. Cost. Xvids are free. iPod format (what are they, Quicktime?) are $2 per ep
2. Quality. Xvids are 480p or 720p. iPod format is like 240p?
3. Choice. usenet/BT has just about anything on
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
When Lost first started I thought, "That looks interesting, but I don't want to get hooked on yet another TV show." (I am trying to cut down on TV watching and spend that time doing more fulfilling things such as spending time with my wife and reading.) So I didn't watch Lost for the first 6 episodes or so. One of my friends watched it all the time and encouraged me to watch so I caved in and downloaded all the episodes I had missed and ended up watching them all one Saturday. Now I am hook
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
The more cynical answer is that the change in ratings in both cases is irrelevant; iTunes results in profit for NBC so they tout it; BitTorrent doesn't so they slam it.
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
1) Convenience; the learning curve for bittorrent, to an average Joe, is slightly higher than the learning curve for the iTMS
2) Speed; the download from the iTMS is much shorter, at 10 to 15 minutes, than the average bittorrent. Of course YMMV
3) Presentation; If you download The Office, you know it's NBC. Bittorrent does not have this feature.
Downloading is a hit! (Score:2, Funny)
I would also like to give credit to Steve Carrell's wife for making this iTunes download so popular.
Been on my mind recently. (Score:4, Insightful)
As for buying all episodes on iTunes, that would be a mistake. I plan on buying Monk on DVD & ripping it so I can watch it again (some for the first time) on my PC. Too much glare watching it on an iPod but for long road trips life without it would be unbarable. But from time to time, like an SNL skit for example, it can't be beat.
Re:Been on my mind recently. (Score:2)
no, it's for people who value convenience and experience over money.
watching TV in "real-time" is for people with more couch than life.
Oh please... (Score:3)
win-win? (Score:2)
Yeah I know it will never happen, but I doubt that the revenue generated from iTunes outweighs the potental revenue bump associated with a ratings hike like this.
Baen Free Library (Score:3, Informative)
Including paper copies of the same novels they'd released as free eBooks!
iTunes got me hooked on Battlestar (Score:3, Informative)
There have been several comments here I want to address:
"standard television" (Score:2)
The shows are well encoded for their size, but they are less than 1/4 the resolution of a DVD-- which plays back on standard televisions without scaling.
So far, the only reason I've considered purchasing a tv show from iTunes is for the occasional missed episode of a show that has multi-episode plotlines. They're too expensive and too low quality for me to use as anything b
Just a few notes... (Score:3, Interesting)
I kicked myself for a year because I never started watching Lost. When I subscribed to NetFlix, the first thing I got was Lost season 1. I finished around Christmas, got a video iPod for Christmas, then the first thing I bought on iTunes was all of the season 2 episodes so far ($18?). I actually watched them all on my 42" HDTV with my iPod. Quality wasn't much worse than my analog TV channels (a little artifacting in dark scenes). I finally caught up, so now I can watch the first run episodes in HD, so I won't be buying them on iTunes (unless I forget to DVR them).
ABC (and Disney and ESPN) and NBC are aligned with Apple/iTunes. CBS has gone with Google. Fox is just sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Where is 24, Arrested Development, etc.?
I DVR everything I watch (dual tuner Motorola HDTV DVR box with Comcast digital cable). I also have a TV tuner on my computer and the software where I can record TV shows then convert them to iPod video format. I haven't tried the DVD rippers/re-encoders yet.
I don't have a problem with $2 per episode because I don't intend to ever use iTunes as my primary way of watching a TV series -- I see using it to (a) catch up with shows I haven't been watching, (b) try out new shows by picking popular episodes, (c) be able to buy a show that I missed for some reason.
IMO, iTunes would be selling movies if it wasn't for the fact that an iPod will only show about 2 hours of video on a fresh charge. People would be pissed if they bought a movie that they couldn't watch on a single charge. Unfortunately, this just means my 30GB video iPod will be obsolete when they release one with a longer battery life.
You can use a $10 camcorder video cable to watch iPod videos on TV, but you have to ignore the cable's color coding.
For $300, Apple should include a video cable and a wall charger.
Kudos for Google to support iPod downloads on Google Video (the free ones at least).
My 2 cents on why the Office does so well (Score:3, Insightful)
And that probably suits the mobile nature of iPod viewing.
And it might be a good show to buy if you want to show off your new iPod to friends because you can always find a good little short scene that you can show whenever someone is asking about the video capabilities of your new iPod. And this probably matters quite a bit at the moment. Most of the 8 million videos that Steve Jobs claimed were sold are probably bought by people who bought just one episode to check out what it's all about.
WANTED: ONE DOCTOR WHO PLEASE (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Paying for TV is for morons (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Paying for TV is for morons (Score:3, Interesting)
Saying that, I would be happy paying for TV shows/Films if the quality is high and the DRM is acceptable, but no such service exists (I pay for all my music at emusic.com which has no DRM and the bitrates are fair), until then I will download my TV shows for free.
Re:Paying for TV is for morons (Score:2)
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Re:Paying for TV is for morons (Score:4, Insightful)
Um, it could be that some people believe in paying for something that isn't theirs, and that they may perceive IRC and Bittorrent to be stealing? I know, these wacky oldsters with their fax machines and hula hoops and libertarian ideas about property rights ...
Re:Paying for TV is for morons (Score:4, Insightful)
Libertarians support government-enforced monopolies restricting certain forms of speech for corporate profit? Interesting.
A serious question (Score:2)
If I tape something from the air and watch it on my iPod video, am I stealing?
If I get the tape from someone else (because I forgot to record it that night), and put it on my iPod, am I stealing?
Seems hard to steal something that the network is giving away for free (that is, they broadcast it).
Really, I'm not just being academic with these questions; I just don't see how you can "steal" stuff that's broadcast free for anybody to
Re:Paying for TV is for morons (Score:4, Interesting)
The other Friday I missed Battlestar Galactica. Sure, I could have done what I used to do was the fuck around with BT to get it. Instead though, I just threw them 2 bucks, which for a guy with a job is nothing, and got a good quality version without any hassle.
Hell, the reason why I will pay for a TV show is the same reason why I will pay for a videogame. First, I don't want to be a douche and not give the people who made it their due. Second, it is just a hell of a lot easier to simply buy what you want then to screw around trying to download it.
At this point, the only thing I am waiting for now is for all TV programming to be offered free, any time, but with commercials. It is down right archaic that I need to be in front of the television at a certain time to watch a show. I should be able to watch it whenever I damn well please with commercials. Just disable the fastforward function while viewing commercials and you have something as good as normal TV.
I would, and did (Score:4, Insightful)
I guess I could have searched for a clean copy of it on IRC or BT, but I value my time pretty highly. To be a better value than $2, I would pretty much have to find it the instant I started looking. That's both a) pretty unlikely and b) exactly what happened on iTunes anyway.
TV shows on iTunes were definitely worth it for me. I can't say I'll be buying every show--more likely I'll just use it when I miss a show I wanted to see. For the cost of a Coke and candy bar I'll now be able to get it easily.
Re:Paying for TV is for morons (Score:2)
Although your actions is why a lot of TV shows now have blatant product placement within them and some are just adverts in disguise.
Re:Paying for TV is for morons (Score:3, Insightful)
That said, it is clearly more wrong to illegaly download copies of shows, when there is a legal alternative which provides the makers of the show with income, than it is to skip the adverts electronically. At present, advertisers know that m
Re:There is NOTHING wrong with this article (Score:2)
I thougth the iTunes downloads are commercial free - so you would think they wouldn't count (why would an advertiser pay a lot of money to advertise on a high rated show if most of those ratings come from commercial free downloads?)
Re:What is a 5.1? (Score:4, Informative)
18-49 is considered a good demographic to target - as they do most of the spending.