What Was Your First Computer? 1485
michaelmichael writes "News.com.com is running a special report, asking readers to tell everyone what their first computer was. This was prompted by another article commemorating the 60th anniversary of ENIAC." I started on a trash 80 in like 5th grade. And although I did a lot of programming and games on 8086s, it wasn't until I got a 286 in middle school that I really considered a machine "Mine".
Commodore 64, baby! (Score:4, Interesting)
I also did a lot of work on the TRS-80 when I was in junior high (yikes...just dated myself there). I put in a lot of late days and managed to write a few cheesy games (press play on tape
(BTW, don't try to chat on IRC with a 300 baud modem and a 40-character-wide screen. It causes brain damage.)
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:2)
I actually found it about 12 years ago,and ended up giving it to someone geekier than myself.
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:3, Informative)
For those of us who cut our teeth on PET/CBM/C-64/C-128/VIC-20 machines:
used to do that to as many of the PET and CBM machines as I could in the computer lab right before the bell rang...
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:2)
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:2)
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:3, Informative)
Commodore didn't have another 'hit' until the Amiga.
If I'd got a NES would I be working in Pizza Hut? (Score:5, Interesting)
Sometimes I wonder what I would be doing now if he had given in and bought me a NES.
Re:If I'd got a NES would I be working in Pizza Hu (Score:4, Interesting)
To be precise, the Sinclair ZX 81 was a clone made in Brazil called TK 82-C. Exact clone, down to the membrane keyboard. Oh the memories. Z80 processor, 2 kilobytes memory shared for video -- video was max resolution 44 by 64 pixels (screen was 32 characters wide by 22 characters tall). Today you can have the whole thing on a browser... See it here:
http://www.vavasour.ca/jeff/ts1000/ [vavasour.ca]
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Commodore 64, baby! (Score:5, Funny)
Why, in my day we had to carry our ones and zeroes six miles uphill through the snow. And each bit weighed eight pounds so a byte weighed sixty-four pounds and it took you three hours to get it there. But dammit, it was good for you, kept you fit as a mule and taught you to be an efficient coder. Not like the kids these days, with the hair, and the clothes and the rock music. Everything's going to hell.
My first was a VM/370 account (Score:5, Interesting)
Amiga 500+ (Score:5, Insightful)
You made me a programmer (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:You made me a programmer (Score:2)
Re:You made me a programmer (Score:3, Informative)
This was my first real home computer too. I had mine set up with permanent storage of course....tapes, lots and lots of tapes storing lots of lots of software. Most of it self written. I also had the little thermal printer. Didn't have the memory expansion pack, or the modem (they did have modems for them) though. I do remember how much I wanted them though, but it was hard to find the parts around here. I spend a lot of time programming my own simple video games, and text based games into it. Also wrote so
Re:You made me a programmer (Score:5, Insightful)
I was depressed by how many of the people in the article listed an IBM PC as their first computer. There was a magic about the early 8-bit micros that captured the imagination, and that was just completely missing on the PC. I, too, was brought up with the joys of wobbly RAM packs, dead flesh keyboards, and progressed up through the C64 and onto the Amiga before finally migrating to a PC compatible in the mid '90s. People that only had access to a PC have no idea about what they were missing.
Re:You made me a programmer (Score:5, Interesting)
READY
The computer was inviting you to type something. Nowadays the computer invites you to explore what others have done, not to create your own stuff to make it work. And that's a huge difference.
READY. (Score:5, Insightful)
Although my first actual, purchased system was too 'modern' to have a native command interpreter mode, I spent a lot of hours in the Apple II BASIC mode and will always have a soft spot for it (and will probably also never be fully comfortable with BASIC that doesn't begin each line with a number).
You don't -- or at least, I don't -- get that same 'blank page' feeling on turning on a modern desktop'ed system. Especially on my office Windows machine, where it always seems as though the hard drive is churning and clicking, for no particular reason. It's irrational, but it gives me the impression I don't have the computer's full and complete attention, and damnit -- I want that. (Besides which, it's distracting.)
I still do a lot of personal correspondance on an IBM Selectric II typewriter. Actual, physical paper letters. (Yes, the Post Office does still do things besides eBay shipments and junk mail.) If I had to pin down the one thing that keeps me coming back to the Selectric, it's the "user experience" you get when you switch it on. You sit down, you take off the cover, you insert a piece of paper. You turn the switch "On." There's a nice heavy clunking sound, the carriage twitches a bit, and then there's nothing but a low humming, and sometimes a faint whiff of ozone. If you put your hand against it, you can feel a slight vibration. And then it does nothing else, except wait for you to do something. That's its equivalent of "READY."
As much as I appreciate a good preemptively-multitasking OS and the ability to schedule things with my crontab and otherwise have the computer just 'deal with things' for me, I can't deny that there's something reassuring from time to time about using a machine that doesn't try to out-think you.
Re:You made me a programmer (Score:2)
As was mine. The membrane keyboard, the little thermal printer, saving programs to my tape deck (I didn't have the offical Sinclair tape storage devide; I had to use my own tape recorder). I had used the TRS-80 Model 1 we had at school before and was astounded when about 10 Commodore Pet computers made their way there a short time later. I still remember writing a program in Basic to solve the Kinight's Tour! But the Sinclar was mine, though within a year it was re
Re:You made me a programmer (Score:5, Funny)
They joy of finding the odd things you could do by POKEing numbers into the system variables (nicely documented in the manual). I also spent an awful lot of my time using dodges to save memory.
I seem to recall that using a real number in Basic took 4 bytes, so rather than using LET A=A+3 people used stuff like LET A=A+INT PI since that only took 2 bytes.
Also you could make some damn fine music* by placing your transister radio next to your ZX81 while it executed different types of FOR/NEXT loop. The more statements inside the loop, the lower the note. Map different loops to different keys and you've got a synth baby.
Happy days.
* I lie, it was dreadful.
Re:You made me a programmer (Score:5, Funny)
Re:You made me a programmer (Score:3, Interesting)
The only problem now, is that the power plug is somewhat loose, and I'm missing one of the rubber pad at the bottom, so the whole thing tends to tip around when I type, so I'm lucky if I can finish writing a ten line program before triggering a power failure...
Mine? (Score:4, Interesting)
Although, that DEC PDP-8 was pretty sweet at the time.
TI-99/4A (Score:2, Funny)
Mac 128K (Score:5, Interesting)
There it is, next to a NeXT Cube and a CHRP box, on the top shelf in my office:
http://das.doit.wisc.edu/nostalgia/CHRP_128K_Cube
Also present are a 20th Anniversary Mac and a PowerBook Duo, with dock:
http://das.doit.wisc.edu/nostalgia/20th_Duo.jpg [wisc.edu]
And over 22 years later, I'm still using Macs. Even found a wife who loves Macs too.
Re:Mac 128K (Score:5, Funny)
Check out the weddingmobile ... (Score:3, Interesting)
VIC 20 (Score:3, Insightful)
Then... Amiga 500, Amiga 1200, then I got my first PC, an IBM BlueLightning, specifically to play Doom.
Unfortunately all I did on all of those machines was play games. Had I started programming earlier...
DEC VT320 dumb terminal (Score:2)
Apple ][e baybay (Score:2)
Re:Apple ][e baybay (Score:2)
16K RAM. Integer BASIC. Cassette tape drive. B&W TV with RF Modulator.
Beam me up C64 (Score:2)
Also did some BASIC programming with it.
Captain Kirk was a great salesman. He could have sold Valentine's Day cards to a Vulcan.
Commodore VIC20 (Score:2)
Apple ][+ (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple II (Score:2)
Laser 128 (Apple IIe clone) (Score:2)
Finally, around the latter half of 7th grade, I got the first machine that was 100% mine:
Custom-built 486DX2-66, 8MB of RAM, 540MB disk
(ran OS/2 2.1, had DOS/Win 3.1, eventually wound up tinkering with Linux and Win95 as they became known/ava
Would you believe ... (Score:2)
It's doubly surprising since my second computer was the ill-fated IBM PCjr [magnaspeed.net] (which, to be fair, was a decent computer once the infamous chicklet keyboard was replaced).
ZX Spectrum (Score:2)
Now, the first machine I every actually paid for myself was an AMD X5-133 the served
Atari 1040ST w/20 MB external hard drive (Score:2)
My first 386 wasn't far behind, though. I recall a friend of mine (who worked with big machines for EDS) saying, "What could you possibly need with an entire 386 at home?"
First encounters with modems is more interesting. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:First encounters with modems is more interestin (Score:4, Interesting)
So now I had to get a modem. I found a huge stash (15) old cardinal 2400 baud industrial modems (big metal cases) and a couple of 9600s dumpster diving at an airport. I was the toast of all my geek friends because I had modems to give to everyone. We used them forever. We were all members on as many BBSes as we could find locally. We'd play LORD on every one of them. It was great.
We progressed to playing Warcraft on direct dial during the week, and on the weekends eveyone would bring their boxes over and we'd play over null modem cables. Pre-curser to the lan party I guess
Re:First encounters with modems is more interestin (Score:5, Funny)
Vic 20 (Score:5, Insightful)
And then about 8 years later the Amiga 500. Then I decided to slum it with the rest of the world and got a 286.
I really wish they would make a console system that could be programmed out of the box. That's why I'm a programmer today, because I was able to write my own games as a kid. But the kids with the consoles can't program it out of the box. It think it's a real shame.
Acorn Electron (Score:3, Interesting)
A1200 (Score:5, Interesting)
My first computer, however, that was mine and mine alone, was a Commadore A1200. It had the stock 68020 running at 14 Mhz and 2 megs of RAM. I splurged and spent $600 upgrading it with a expansion board with a 68030 CPU and FPU both running at 50 Mhz! I also got an 8 meg simm to bring the memory up to 10 (the simm was half of the $600). That plus an 80 MB HD meant that I never had to worry about space;-)
Re:A1200 (Score:3, Interesting)
It frustrated me to no end in college when i had to use some 68040 based Mac which ran slower than my pre-upgrade A1200 running an "obsolete" 68020. Grrr.
KIM-1 (Score:2, Funny)
Breadboarded 4004 (Score:2)
A breadboarded 4004 with gobs of 74xx series support goo to make it act like a computer. Then an IMSAI 8080, with the coolest front panel ever.
--MarkusQ
Sinclair ZX-80 (Score:2)
The first machines I did any work on were Commodore PETs and Trash-80s in Junior HS.
For those TI-99/4A lovers in Chicago... (Score:2)
As an added bonus, they're showing the Game On exhibit again (all video games from Spacewar to the present) for a d
A Heathkit H-8 (Score:2)
The ORIC-1 (Score:2)
My first machine was the ORIC-1 [old-computers.com]
I was too young to remember ever not having a computer.. but I still have fond memories of its awkward rubber keys, the way you had to hook it up to the hi-fi to load the programs off a tape, and best of all, it's game of frogger.
Strange that in many ways it's the limitations of such machines that you fondly remember..
I'd wager a bet (Score:5, Insightful)
But to keep the few people who don't post but instead mod from bashing me with "offtopic" down into the sewer, my first computer was an Atari 800XL. And I STILL say its graphics was way ahead of anything commodore put into its 64!
. o O (Great. Now you get modded down for flamebaiting...)
Apple //e (Score:2)
Ultima III / IV / V best games EVAR!!!
teletype terminal (Score:2)
TR-S 80 Model II for a "desktop" (Score:2)
Ah those were the days--writing BASIC programs in the back of math class. I still remember some of the games I wrote using ASCII characters as the spaceships and how "cool" all my nerdy friends thought it was.
Commodore PET/CBM (Score:2)
And it was instant on, baby! Of course, it took forever to load something from the tape drive.
Here you go.
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?
Spectrum (Score:2)
TI-99... (Score:2)
Old HP stuff... (Score:2)
My first machine. (Score:2)
An Atari ST, with the assembler and C compiler that came as part of the Atari development kit. The original machine is long gone (my feckless brother sold it without telling me), but I bought one off of Ebay for nostalgia reasons. It came with Lattice C, which is a pretty decent compiler and even works under the hatari emulator.
IBM 370/168 (Score:2)
back in the stone age (Score:2)
first I owned was a early edition AppleII w/48K! And then there
was that dec2060 I 'owned'
Apple ][+ (Score:2)
An Atari 800 (Score:2)
Kaypro IV (Score:2)
I had user accounts on a Prime 400 and a VAX 11/750, but this was the first computer that was "mine". It was incredible, a "portable computer." You could put the keyboard up, a couple of snaps, and you could carry it around. OK, it weighed a ton, but still! Built-in monitor, a ton of bundled software, two disk drives, CPM, etc., etc.,etc.
I sometimes think back to that one when I sit trying to install some new word processing software that takes up more space on my hard drive and more RAM than befor
Sharp MZ-850 (Score:2)
Honeywell 6000 mainframe. (Score:2)
My first job was programing the Altair 8800 to handle inventory control.
(yes, I'm an old-timer)
TI-99/4A (Score:2)
Man, I *loved* Tombstone City.
8088 (Score:2)
Years later I now know I stabbed the IDE cable multiple times
ZX80, with a whole 1024 Bytes of RAM (Score:2)
Commodore Vic-20 (Score:2)
However, I used an Apple-II for programming at school before getting the Vic.
Must be Monday... (Score:2, Funny)
"The first machine I ever OWNED was your Windows box."
C'mon, slashbots! Wake up!
TRS-80 Model I (Score:2)
was the first computer I owned. It had a cassette tape drive for mass storage. The Model I was followed by a Model III with dual 8" floppy drives and the finally a hard drive in the first IBM PC. I also had one of the first 128 Kbyte Macs.
The first computer I ever used was a DEC PDP-8 on which I spent many hours writing BASIC programs using stolen accounts (I was in junior high and used to look over the shoulders of the college kids when they logged in after I had snuck into the local college computer
Amstrad 128K (Score:2)
When I was six, my parents bought an Amstrad 128K. This technological marvel only had volatile storage, so to save something, you had to use 3" floppies that could kill a man if thrown at him. Its other media type was a normal audio cassette. When I wasn't busy copying game code verbatim from magazines, my sister and I would play a game from those audio cassettes, like Green Beret.
But it wasn't easy. A game on an audio cassette would only load successfully a third of the time, and the external cassette de
PDP-11/70 and Apple II (Score:2)
Apple IIe was my first home computer. Fully loaded with 64K of memory, dual floppies and a 1200bps modem. Wahoo!
Portable? (Score:2)
I think not. Good times, though...
IBM pc jr (Score:2)
My first (Score:2)
It amuses me that my cell phone has more memory than my first 6 computers put together. And that I carry around a USB thumb drive that is bigger than my first 4 hard drives (including the one I installed SLS Linux on) put together.
A set of cardboard boxes (Score:2)
Either: a PDP-1, or a VIC-20 (Score:3, Interesting)
GENIAC certainly didn't count, and neither the the "analog computer" with three potentiometers and a voltmeter that I got as a science kit.
The PDP-1 truly feels to me like it was "my" first computer, even though I had to share it with about a hundred other MIT undergraduates, and come in at 2 a.m. in the morning to get time. I used it mostly for programming, but also for what would now be called word processing (formatting with a program called TJ-2, and outputting in Flexowriters which had IBM electric-typewriter mechanism and produced what would later be called "letter-quality" output. No spreadsheets, but Expensive Desk Calculator was a lot more capable than most real desk calculators. No MIDI, but using Pete Samson's harmony compiler I coded up a few pieces of music and had the PDP-1 play them in four-part harmony.
Games? Spacewar, of course. And "flight simulator simulator." That was a byproduct of a real research project, which coupled the PDP-1 for human input (joysticks etc.) and display to an analog computer that did the real simulation heavy lifting. That was the "flight simulator." The guy who did it, Ray Tomlinson, knew that people enjoyed "flying" it so he made a "flight simulator simulator" in which the analog computer was replaced by a much simpler and less-realistic set of calculations made by the PDP-1 itself.
The first computer I personally owned and had in my home was a VIC-20. I don't have anything like the same depth of feeling for it that I have for the PDP-1, however. At about the time I bought the VIC-20, there was a gentleman who lived about a block away from me who was in Digital's AI group and they let him keep a real computer--I think it was might have been one of the original Microvaxes--in his house. I was green with envy.
TI 99/4a here baby... and it still works! (Score:5, Interesting)
Machine breakdown by country? (Score:3, Interesting)
Not that C64s weren't popular in the UK as well - I had one myself (still do have one actually). But I had it after my Spectrum 48k.
So what other regional quirks exist? I've heard of something called the MicroBee for Australia? What about Germany - they normally went for Commodore hardware as far as I know. As for the rest of the world, I really don't know what the taste in computers was but would definitely be interested to find out.
Cheers,
Ian
TTL. This question brings back a lot of memories. (Score:3, Interesting)
My second computer was built around an 8008 chip. Not as much fun. All the cool stuff was already on the chip.
My third computer was an SBC from National Semiconductor, using an SC/MP MPU. Nothing to build, so it was all about the programming. The SC/MP was a bit of an oddball, so I learned some new things.
Then I got a SWTPC 6800 "kit", which was really just a solder and screw assembly, then a Gimix 6809 (still have it, and it still works), then an IBM PC, then several Amigas, then several more PCs and RISC PCs (I have PowerPC, MIPS and Alpha machines on shelves, they ran RISC versions of Windows NT), then Linux, finally grabbed a Mac (mini.)
During the course of my career, I worked at IBM (Boca Raton) and got to use their ATOM uP, an old (at the time) punched card machine... the specifics of which have thankfully slipped my mind (punched cards are annoying, suffice it to say) and a scientific mini, the model of that is also fogged out, and I didn't use it that much, really.
I did a lot of hardware designs using the 6809 and its A/B variants when it was current; I liked (I still like) that MPU, it just seemed to have the best instruction balance of any 8-bitter I ever ran into. By comparison, the 68000 and family were pretty much of a dissapointment. I thought they'd be 6809's on steroids; Not so. They were a step wider (good), a step more orthogonal (also good) and a step simpler (backwards.) Fewer clever addressing modes mainly, but that was exactly what made programming the 6809 such a breeze.
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Texas Instruments TI99/4A (Score:3, Interesting)
Fun times. :-)
PDP-11/05 with RT-11 (Score:3, Interesting)
I had a VT-52 terminal, ASCII only, no graphics.
The box itself had 16k words of core memory and no boot ROM card, so each time I started it I had to toggle in the boot code on the front panel switches. Fortunately I figured out a VERY short routine which worked. The core memory consisted of two 8K by 18 bit (2 parity bits) planes, each of which was a quad wide card for the Unibus backplane, and two logic cards each of which was hex wide. The RX-01 floppy drive required an interface card, as did the serial interface for the VT-52. IIRC those two were quad width. This thing pulled well over 1000 watts of power.
RT-11 was very much like DOS. A friendly DEC field service person gave me the full software distribution, which operated quite differently than the way Microsoft does. What you get is a bootable OS which brings you into a SYSGEN procedure. In this, you specify exactly what you have for peripherals, what their bus addresses and interrupts are, and the code essentially assembles and links up a custom version of the OS for you. That's right, you actually had the source code right there. I took advantage of this to add my own "extensions" and later, device drivers (tricky until you got the hang of it).
RT-11 ran BASIC, which I used for most quicky stuff, and of course ASM.
Later on I acquired a Xerox Diablo removable cartridge hard drive (5 MB fixed, 5 MB removable) but still no boot card, they were still expensive. Eventually I picked up a Qbus box from where I worked (they used the cards in their own custom backplanes and boxes) and found a full set of 11/23 cards for $5 each (!!!) at some surplus place up in Woburn. There was even an AMD 2901 based math coprocessor which had a guaranteed maximum speed of 1 Mflop. Picked up a NEC spinwriter real cheap due to being only for 230 volts (big deal, sit a $5 autotransformer behind it).
Wrote my own checkbook balancing and accounting package, ran a small business from the system for years.
Switched to an IBM compatible AT clone at 10 MHz when I needed to run a PC board layout package (don't remember the name but it had a dongle) and this machine was slightly faster than the 11/23. Almost went Mac route but it was the availability of software that I needed that made the decision.
Atari 2600 Basic Programming Cart (Score:3, Interesting)
Did I mention I still have that machine?
Mine was paper - in about 1962 (Score:5, Interesting)
In 1968 he got a Honeywell 516, a machine the size of 2 washing machines and a microwave (one washing machine box held the processor, the other the memory and the microwave on top held a paper tape reader and punch). There was a standalone teletype. He set out to prove you could automate a coal mine with it (he worked in the research department of the UK Coal Board). I went to his office in the school holidays and wrote programs for it.
Atari 800, oh yes! (Score:3, Interesting)
The first computer of my own was the Atari 800. Apple was nice, but I avoided it because Atari had the best graphics and sound hardware in its day. Besides, Star Raiders was the killer app, and I still play it with the free Atari800Win Plus emu every now and then.
I did a little hacking too, thanks to Omnimon. It was a circuit board that plugged into one of the ROM chip sockets, and it filled the unused $C000-$CFFF block of memory with a program that allowed one to interrupt anything with a press of Select and System Reset. It was now possible to take the machine code of a program that's running (even game carts) and do some simple disassembly. It also had a mini assembler that worked one instruction at a time. The Omnimon board also had one wire patched into the ROM that held the top of memory (to $FFFF) which is how it interrupts the boot process. (The last few bytes were pointers used by warm and cold starts.) There was also a three-position toggle switch that I added to the case. If I remember right, one setting allowed interruption, one restored the original ROM pointers, and the last position made the $C000 block disappear so the machine looked unaltered. Unfortunately, the later models used that memory area (probably for the rainbow logo and that sophisticated "self-test.") I think I saw a mention of a version of Omnimon designed for the newer machines, but I had the original.
Oh yeah, I also added a little switch in the bottom to silence the internal speaker since I would be writing programs through the night. At one point I upgraded the beast from a CTIA to GTIA chip and enjoyed the extra graphics modes that were in the later models, and I took out the power LEDs and replaced them with green ones. Ahh, the memories!
I remember being in awe of the bank switching technique used in the macro assembler cartridge I owned. I wasn't to shabby at speaking 6502 and Antic display list instructions. Heh heh.
That old computer died eventually. The keyboard needed to be replaced, and by that time they were impossible to find and cost over $100. After using a driver I wrote that made the escape key a space bar substitute (unless shift was pressed,) the computer was fried by a power surge. It died slowly over the course of a month, and towards the end started rebooting spontaneously. I laid it to rest and got myself a 65XE. A few years down the road that computer was stolen from storage, but they didn't get my carts and disks. I hope they had fun with it, and the high-pitched whine my poor old 13" TV had. Heh heh heh.
Re:Texas Instrument (Score:2)
I also remember trying to program and store my programs on that silly tape that never worked. I really don't miss doing that.
Re:Texas Instrument (Score:2)
Re:Texas Instrument (Score:2)
Re:Texas Instrument (Score:2)
Re:first computer (Score:2)
After that was CoCo 64k, the 128K, hacked one to 512k, ran OS-9, added a hard drive using a PC RLL controller and MFM drive... almost completely useless but fun to play with.
Re:Mine was a 8086 (Score:2)
Re:Uh, like what? (Score:3, Funny)
No, its like, you know, he was just chillin'' with the California Raisins. No sour grapes :-)
Re:ENIAC (Score:5, Interesting)
One of my fondest memories of that computer was when I bought the CRPG "Megatraveller" and discovered that it required a hard drive. After a lot of trial and error, I managed to copy all of the files onto 4 DD 5.25 disks and use each one under certain circumstances (startup, space, first half of planets, second half of planets). It was great.
I also remember asking a guy a few years later how much it would cost to upgrade to a couple of 3.5 drives, but he just laughed at me. Bastard figured it wasn't worth the money to do so. Oh well.