DVD Player Ownership Surpasses VCR Ownership 180
An anonymous reader wrote to mention an Ars Technica post stating that, for the first time, more U.S. consumers own a DVD player than own a VCR. The DVD player dropped below $100 quite some time ago, but the third quarter of this year saw the percentage of DVD player ownership reach 81.2. Only 79.2% of consumers now own VCR players, reports Nielsen. From the article: "For all of the talk about the battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray, both technologies are far, far away from most family rooms. Yes, the two are just now beginning what could be a long battle for entertainment-center supremacy, but keep in mind that the technology that they are vying to replace has only recently gained the upper hand against the previous-generation technology--a decade after first being introduced. Even if Blu-ray or HD DVD unexpectedly routs its opponent from the market in the next two or three years, it will still be several more years before the victorious format supplants the DVD."
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I'm sure if they were to count that, it wouldn't be important, as it would just even off things, but a large percentage of households actually uses both I would suspect.
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When i got a DVD i got a combo too. I am planning on keeping both around but i imagine many got it just in case, since the diference if any is very small. Most units i see hooked up are dual units in fact.
Of course the question may have a lot too do with it. Having a VCR is diferent than using a VCR or buying tapes. How many people HAVE a
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DVD will be the winner in the HiDef War (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously, BluRay and HD won't be common place until 2012 at this rate.
By then, we'll have iPod like devices that could hold more video than a Station wagon full of BlueRay discs.
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You're probably right. At least until holodeck interaction becomes common.
*Firefox's spell checker suggested BluRay should be spelled "blurry". So much for HD.
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And by that time everything will be streamed. Moving data around on funny plastic disks just doesn't make much sense when you have an Internet. The only reason for these formats is 1) There currently isn't enough bandwidth for everyone to stream hi-def content on-demand. 2) Content owners don't want their stuff streamed because of copyright concerns. But as hi-speed Internet access becomes as ubiquitous as DRM becomes unpopular, BluRa
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At what rate? Any predictive analysis of future BD or HD-DVD penetration based on less than a year of data is pointless at best and dishonest at worst. DVD grew faster than any other similar technology (CD and VHS being two significant examples) and it still took 8 years to pass VHS. This, despite the last few years when DVD players have been virtually an impulse buy at under $100.
I picked up a DVD player in its second year of ava
Maybe there are others like me... (Score:3, Interesting)
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I long ago switched to only DVDs. I have 300+ in my collection, finally surpassing my CD collection. Now with a DVR provided by my satellite service I have no need.
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I thought I would agree with you, but I'm not so sure.
We (my wife and I) recently upgraded to a 720p 32" TV. We've got HD feeds via cable, and an Series 3 TiVo.
The signal looks great, and we got rid of a whole mess of VCR tapes that were just cluttering up room, but we hung on to a couple that we wanted to watch. I finally got around to hooking up the VCR via a set RCA cables and, while the picture quality certainly ain't gr
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Progressive DVD's on a large 720p set can look quite respectable.
If you have a tiny screen, I really can't see you percieving much benefit of HD though...
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I know VHS has a lower resolution, but what surprised me was how little it made a difference in our viewing conditions, which I hardly believe are atypical.
Not everyone in the world has the space for a 40"+ plasma TV, especially as more and more people seem to be settling for less and less space in the major metropolitan cities of the U.S., Japan, and Europe (or those wanting a second TV for the bedroom, guest-room, de
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one of the LotR films had just come out to rental, but we were too late for the DVD, just VHS. So, new tape, obviously, but on our 36" regular television, I remember thinking "you know, DVDs don't look much better than this".
DVDs have their advantages: pausing on a VCR does tend to look terrible, random access, enough space for amusing goodies and alternate sound tracks, and generally looking good on a bookshelf, but I'll bet you if the r
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There are DVD players with RF encoders that can speak to your TV. Most of them are combo devices (VCR+DVD) but not all. The macrovision problem is that you can't run a DVD player into a VCR and then into your TV because the VCR will listen to your macrovision signal - but televisions ignore it.
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I currently use a DVD/VCR combo in lieu of a cable box for my video projector that I use instead of a tv. And I had a box to let me plug RCA stuff into an old coax-only tv. And another box to let an old 19" surplus monitor act as a TV screen in a pinch.
I gotta admit, I don't have a strong grasp of the latest connectors.
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High end PC video cards have DVI output, but yes, if it's a HDMI-equipped DVI port, a PS3 could connect through it.
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I would say that that kind of crap, stories of hardware not working out, could kill BlueRay/HD-DVD quick; but if the signal just "degrades gracefully", people probaby won't even notice.
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Or perhaps a MacMini (not at all what I would consider "high end", but certainly a possible HTPC, especially if you love iTunes).
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DVI-- Digital Video Interface. What most of us have been using to connect LCDs to our computers. Some DVI ports have analog pins, for backwards compatibility with CRTs.
HDMI-- High Definition Multimedia Interface. Digital Video plus Digital Audio. A dongle can be used to convert it into DVI.
HDCP- High Bandwidth Digital Copy Protection. The key exchange/ encryption protocol used to encrypt DVI or HDCP. Some DVI devices can use HDCP. Most if not all HDMI devices can.
If your projector's
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I get the impression that most people won't notice-- a well calibrated HDTV set displaying HD material can be truly stunning, but many people seem to be satisfied with DVD over composite.
Macrovision? (Score:2)
These copies fade in and out in time with the Macrovision signals as required by section 1201, right?
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Re:Maybe there are others like me... (Score:4, Interesting)
10 years from now, 90% of all VCR's will be out of commission. Transfer your tapes to other storage now!
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Sony tries.. and tries... and tries (Score:2)
Anyone want to take a ballpark guess what kind of ROI they land if every movie studio had to license Blu-Ray on every movie they released to disc?
I'm guessing (purely from the posterior region) it'd land in the Billions over the life of the product.
-GiH
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I will "upgrade" when... (Score:5, Insightful)
I will "upgrade" to the best HD format only when it counts as an actual upgrade - Meaning I can play it, in full resolution, on a Linux box.
Note that I don't include the word "legally" in that condition... A broken-feature-reenabling ripper (like DVD Decrypter used to do for region coding, macrovision, and button lockout) will work just as well as an authorized player.
So, which group will give me what I want first? Sony, Toshiba, or DVD-Jon? The winner takes all.
But the DVD has is own issues... (Score:4, Interesting)
Can any slashdotter convince me that if I had properly stored important video media on a disc in say 20 years ago, this disc would still be readable now? With proper storage, the video cartridge would still be readable now after that long. This is my beef with DVDs.
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I don't use optical media for backups. I just keep them on-line on my main storage, plus an off-line external hard drive and a RAID-5 that's a ways away. I figure that I have to lose a minimum of four drives in order to lose any data, and I think that would take a pretty major catastrophe that I might not survive in order to lose data.
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Nobody even tries. Optical media is not for archiving. Wrong technology for the purpose. And even if we had good archive-grade optical technology, the DVD would be a stupid form factor to archive anything in - it's designed for portability and retail advantages, and is entirely wrong for long-term storage. It's just too thin to be tough enough. (As an
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Oh, rip to a hard drive! What a suggestion! So that if I have to demo something to a remote community, I have to make sure they have a working computer I can open up in order to install the HD? Think about it, is this really practical in the modern world?
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In any case, I have a feeling the days when you can whip out a chunky old videocassette to demo anything are seriously numbered. In many trades already, doing so could get you laughed out of the room as if you brought a can of Super-8 film.
Re:But the DVD has is own issues... (Score:4, Interesting)
Electrically, the interfaces have changed, too. You'd be very hard-pressed to find a modern machine that's capable of reading from an old Winchester drive -- the ST-506 interface is dead and buried, and the adapter cards that spoke ST-506 were made only in the era of 8-bit ISA bus machines; you won't find a PCI card that supports them. ATA came along, and has advanced to ATA-6. Now we have SATA, which begs the question of how long PATA will live. Do you want to bet your future retrieval of the data to finding an ancient machine that can read SATA on the 2026 equivalent of eBay?
There are plenty of physical reasons not to use hard drives as an archival medium, too. You'd probably be hard-pressed to find an old Winchester drive that could spin up today after sitting idle for 20 years. Drives manufactured back then suffered from stiction, which was caused by lubricants that sat idle for too long. Do you know what's wrong with the longevity of data on drives manufactured today? I don't. Will today's lubricants still flow freely in 2026? Will the platters, heads and mechanics survive the years uncorroded? Will the electrolytic capacitors still hold a charge? Will the connectors have shifted due to thermal expansion and contraction? Will the magnetic fields of some bits have dissipated due to their proximity to other bits? Will the adhesive holding the media to the platters have broken down?
And Google for "maxtor sucks" if you want to read horror stories of people losing data due to the death of a hard drive.
I'm not saying Super-8 is the way to go, but it's still possible to get the data from it. Will the same be true of floppy discs, ZIP disks, CD-Rs, CD-RWs, and all the burnable variants of DVDs including +/-, DVD-R, DVD-RW and DVD-RAM?
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You don't need to find a machine that can read SATA; just a machine that can read USB or Firewire, which will probably be pretty easy. USB might only be available via a bridge from whatever we're using in the future but it'll be around for a long time just as the RS-232 bus is still around today in spite of the existence of superior alternatives. Finding a drive for a back
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This is exactly the problem I faced recently when deciding whether or not to stick with tape backup.
Solution:
The next version of bacula [bacula.org] will support volume migration, so I can migrate all my old data with minimal pain. Who cares if I can't find a drive for a 10 year old tape? I'll have migrated all the data to a newer one long before.
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My point is that both RS-232 and Centronics Parallel are readily available through USB dongles, even though they are disappearing from modern motherboards - thank you for makin
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is this really practical in the modern world?
"Remote community" and "modern world" contradict one another here.
You've hypothesized the existance of someplace that has the technological resources to run a TV and DVD player, but where your laptop (with far more flexible power requirements) won't work?
Furthermore, you can always re-burn the content if you absolutely need a physical DVD, at a cost of less than 25 cents (USD) per disc.
That
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"Remote community" and "modern world" contradict one another here.
I beg to disagree with you here and say "Not necessarily."
There is a remote community in Namibia that I visited. These folks live in canyons in a very arid and cold part of the desert. I can assure you that they had every modern amenity known to the western world, everything powered by the sun. I was surprised myself and loved it. The question is, if I found that they did not have a computer ready to be opened up, this would mean 18 hours to get to the nearest town.
Re:But the DVD has is own issues... (Score:4, Funny)
Oh hell, that's all just fantasy anyway. The very idea of such useful technology is absurd.
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Lan Party PC, Laptop, suitable portable DVD player, suitable media player, bus powered USB drive.
It's not like it's 1995.
If it's really the sort of backwater you're implying, your best off
bringing your own hardware anyways. They might not even have a DVD
player.
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"Yeah, the stuff in this box is over 20 years old, let's store it"
It's like putting the original Mona Lisa in the basement in favor of something new.
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Digital data, particularly when stored in most modern lossy formats (like DVD), doesn't have this benefit. Once it becomes hard to read, it goes from "works perfectly" to "completely useless" very quickly and with little warning.
Bad comparison, perhaps? (Score:3, Insightful)
Image quality.
Random access.
Extra features on-media.
VCRs still cling to live mainly because it doesn't cost anything to not throw them away, and because of recording.
Let me know when the number of PVRs outnumbers the number of VCRs. That's when the transition will truly be complete.
Of couse p2p Video on Demand services (as represented by YouTube and BitTorrent piracy networks) probably blows both away in the middle to long run.
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These fall into three catagories:
As for recorded, and gift content, this tend to eithe
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backwards compatibility (Score:3, Insightful)
After a while the HD players will be cheap enough that it will be smart futureproofing to buy a HD player without a HDtv, in the hopes that your next tv will be HD. Hell, there's no shortage of component out dvd players plugged in with composite cables or through RF converter boxes.
It's not just the player (Score:2, Insightful)
Blue Ray this, HD-DVD that... (Score:5, Insightful)
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The question is whether the existence of a HD format will
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HDTV-- a big improvement over NTSC TV. More resolution, better sound, stable colors.
HD Audio -- (SACD, DVD-Audio). A marginal improvement over CD, unless you have a quiet listening room, and good equipment, or like surround sound music.
HD-DVD/Bluray-- HD resolution, yes, but DVD was already far superior to NTSC TV. Allegedly necessary on larger screens, but on smaller screens the improvement is more subtle. Sometimes gives the illusion of being 3D, and objects with
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I guess it's all luck of the draw. My PS2, not manhandled by kids, only occasionally used, and never left on didn't last two years. Maybe it died of loneliness.
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As for VHS hardware quality... DVD players (even the $40 ones) FAR beat the VHS player quality and have for quite some time. I'd even go as far as to say that really OLD VHS players were a lot better quality than what we have today. I still remember when my parents replaced the old top-loading VCR with a new front-load model, because we'd had that old one for SO lo
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I'm not even sure that it's the "best bang for the buck"-- looks like the Toshiba SD760 [hometheaterhifi.com] is rather decent, though.
There are a number of discs in my collect
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Only if you didn't take care of them. And you should still get oil changes every 3000 miles. I doubt your car will last long only being serviced once every year or two. Back in the day anyone could repair their own car with a little know how. Today's cars are heavily dependent on computers and electronics. They're getting less mechanical every year, that makes them more complicated to fix. I had a 1984 Caprice Classic that I got used in 1991, never on
What do combo units count as ? (Score:2)
I am pretty sure (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't care if it is a brand name of not, the cheap crap or the expensive dvd recorder/tuner, they all lasted just a few days longer than the warranty.
I use the computer to play dvds. At least the internal drives are cheap enough to replace when they die.
Computers Anyone? (Score:2)
Does it consider.... (Score:2)
So, this study begs the question, of those that do own the VCR, how many actually still use it? I would dare say that it would be pretty scant because of the ubiquitousness and superiority of the DV
Why I wait (Score:2)
Which is exactly why I'm going to be waiting "several more years" before I bother getting a "next-gen" DVD player.
Even less.... (Score:2)
I have one on my rack, and the only reason I've put a tape in it for the last couple of years was to convert some VHS tapes to DVD for a friend. If there are still tapes around the house, they're in a box in the basement just waiting to be thrown out.
The last possible reason for using it went away when I put the DVR box in place. I'm happy not to be screwin
Probably like my parents... (Score:2)
$150 hd-dvd player (Score:3, Insightful)
Lots of folks are hedging as to which format will win out but my impression is that if you can buy a player for $150 that gives you an image that's equivalent to a solution that costs 4 times as much and is unavailable, that gives a huge boost to HD-DVD. I say "equivalent" because the initial side by side reviews don't give either format an edge. Another factor is Netflix - you can rent either format from them so your exposure to risking committing to a dead end format is substantially reduced. When the first players came out at $1,000 not many people bit. Now that you can get one player at $150, it strikes me a lot more people will make the jump and it isn't going to be to Blu-Ray.
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Will it really? (Score:3, Interesting)
If ever. This particular format war isn't being handled very well, it seems to me. Such conflicts are invariably bad for the consumer in the short run since we have to guess which tech will come out on top and whoever guesses wrong gets his fingers burnt. Why can't they all just get along? PICK ONE! I don't really care which at this point. Is it just that Sony is still smarting from the Betamax fiasco? If it turns out after all this hate and discontent that the consumer doesn't find a use for the next-generation of shiny plastic discs it'll be just too bad. Worse for them, sooner or later China is going to be able to foist their version of a next-gen SPD (Shiny Plastic Disc) on the world. They'd better just get with the program and give the consumer what he and she wants now. Period. Or they may find their own technologies irrelevant.
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$20 DVD player (Score:2, Insightful)
Stats off? (Score:2)
Just by looking around the media stores, I gather DVDs have trumped VHS years ago.
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If I have to find something to watch when I feel like sitting down at the TV, almost every time I'll flip around a bit and give up.
With the DVR there's always something on that I want to watch, something from the History Channel that recorded at 3AM last weekend, or a Mythbusters from last night, or a show that's currently recording and started 15 minutes ago.
If I had to give up my DVR at this point, I'd probably just drop my cable subscription
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I thought "The Lost Room" was the last bit of interesting TV I've seen in a while.
South Park is a mainstay for me but other than that, if it's popular, it'll be on YouTube and that's how I'll see it.
Gone are the days of "Must See TV" with Cheers, Seinfeld, The Cosby Show and even then, some of that was crap too.
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OTOH, the non-technical response to DVR is - based on the anecdotes I've heard - something like my wife's:
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Once I hooked up the DVR box, the TV only leaves video mode to watch DVDs, and that's only because I'm too lazy to get DVD playing working right under GBPVR.
I installed GBPVR, hooked everything up, handed the remote to the kids, and they were off with zero questions. They'd be very disappointed to lose it now. They both enjoy running mini-marathons of their favorite shows o
Re:where is the DVR adoption? (Score:5, Interesting)
I also think most "regular people" underestimate how much television is a part of their life. Many people like to think that television is "not important" enough to pay extra money for what they think is a slightly advanced VCR. In reality, people watch way more television than they think they do. They would probably save lots of time and enjoy their time watching television a heck of a lot more if they used a DVR.
It's not cool to admit tv is this important in our lives (I'm kidding). We should all be getting out and reading more, right?Convincing people to pay an additional subscription to put an extra box near their television, with no new content, is a difficult task. I think free trials might do it. 30-day money-back guarantees (like the one offered by TiVo) still seem like a hassle to the unconvinced. Better competition and lower prices are also needed. The leader, TiVo, is darned expensive unless you commit to a long-term subscription. Windows XP Media Center does not require subscriptions, but not many people hook up PCs to their televisions. Cable/satellite companies can probably push free DVR trials on their customers (integrated into the set top box), but their DVRs are not nearly as usable as TiVo and ReplayTV (last time I checked).
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Can't find one? Ebay. Prefer a new unit? How about a prebuilt MythTV box?
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I still record on tape because it's portable.
What I record is OTA anyway so it isn't HD in my case.
I can take the tape and move it to another machine or another house and it still plays.
Is a digital solution better? Yes the the current landscape is prohibitive and doesn't cater to the consumer.
DVRs are tied to the display device or it's primary display device. Moving content is a PITA.
THAT is the reason why I haven't bought the DVR bandwagon.
And then, only HD-DVRs are worth the
Re:where is the DVR adoption? (Score:4, Informative)
You're no longer tied to the "Great Glass Gozoonga".
You are infact completely FREED from it.
TV on your own schedule, on your own terms.
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-uso.
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As I mentioned earlier, in other parts of the world DVD ownership outstripped VCR ownership a while ago. The reason why it's taken longer in the US may actually be due to the "heavy DRM" you mention (well, the region coding anyway) - in the rest of the world region free players from the name-brand manufacturers are the norm, whilst I gather they're not quite as common in the US (and mostly Chinese/Taiwanes