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Sesame Street DVD Deemed Adult-Only Entertainment 665

theodp writes "The earliest episodes of Sesame Street are being made available on DVD, but the NYT notes Volumes 1 and 2 carry a rather strange warning: 'These early 'Sesame Street' episodes are intended for grown-ups, and may not suit the needs of today's preschool child.' So why are they unsuitable for toddlers in 2007? Well, in the parody 'Monsterpiece Theater,' Alistair Cookie — played by Cookie Monster — used to appear with a pipe, which he later gobbled. 'That modeled the wrong behavior,' explained a Sesame Street executive producer, adding that 'we might not be able to create a character like Oscar [the Grouch] now.'"
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  • Madness (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BWJones ( 18351 ) * on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:29PM (#21399033) Homepage Journal
    I...um.....*ahem*.......well......ACK!

    I honestly do not even know where to begin. My God! This is absolute madness.... political correctness run amok and almost even worse than the religious right's labeling of Bert and Ernie as homosexuals. As one who leans left particularly after the last six years, this sort of thing is a shock back to more centrist practicality and honesty. Shame on the current producers for corrupting the original vision of Sesame Street and creating revisionist history. Oscar the Grouch was *grouchy*, as advertised. So what? Cookie Monster ate the pipe.... so what? It is as it was a vision of the time and a reflection on the changing times of a decade from the 60's to the 70's.

    I don't have a problem with things changing, rather I revel in it. However, it makes me sad to see people label what made us who we are unacceptable to todays youth. Parents are far too restrictive with what their kids do, afraid to let them get dirty by playing outside, indoctrinating them with germaphobia from the earliest age, relabeling childrens characters as dangerous pedophiles or attempting to smear them with homosexual labels. The things we used to do as kids would likely get us arrested these days (12 year olds playing with homemade fireworks, carrying shotguns down the street and out to the field to go hunting, swinging from ropes into swimming holes infested with all manner of dangerous wildlife and more).

    I don't know what that says of our society but kids watching Sesame Street was just part of the culture and are we now going to be afraid of who we are?

    • This castration (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Jeremiah Cornelius ( 137 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:37PM (#21399095) Homepage Journal
      Is why my children were never able to become interested in Sesame Street - while as a 5-year-old in the late-sixties, I loved it.

      In subtle ways, it began to condescend and pander. The muppets, in particular, suffered from the loss of Kermit and Henson.
      • by dj245 ( 732906 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @07:19PM (#21401899) Homepage
        Cookie Monster has serious issues that need to be addressed. Any character that simultaneously binges and purges probably has emotional problems stemming from childhood trauma.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by dr_dank ( 472072 )
        while as a 5-year-old in the late-sixties, I loved it.

        It's no accident that it's so dumbed/watered down today. In the beginning, it was aimed at kids your age to get them ready for kindergarten/1st grade. With the growing number of children put into school settings at earlier ages (pre-school, nursery school, head start, etc) this target audience began to shrink.

        The solution? Aim it to younger and younger kids. I'd say the target audience for SS today is 3 and under. A far cry developmentally from the 5
    • Re:Madness (Score:5, Funny)

      by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:50PM (#21399207) Homepage Journal

      I'll be 42 in December. After having my mind polluted by Sesame Street as a youngster I started to gobble down cookies, hid in garbage cans and dreamt of living with a male life-partner when older.

      Sadly, my life went to shit and I'm none of those things. I don't like cookies, dislike taking out the trash and live with a WOMAN and our child. Ick!

    • Re:Madness (Score:5, Funny)

      by jollyreaper ( 513215 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:50PM (#21399209)

      Oscar the Grouch was *grouchy*, as advertised. So what? Cookie Monster ate the pipe.... so what? It is as it was a vision of the time and a reflection on the changing times of a decade from the 60's to the 70's.
      And you'd think Cookie Monster would have been even more justified eating the pipe in this version, seeing as now it shoots first.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by elrous0 ( 869638 ) *
        Turns out that it was a glass pipe and the bastard was freebasing cookie dough. Who knew?
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by noidentity ( 188756 )
      Sorry, you're wrong. I grew up with those episodes of Sesame Street and have learned awful behaviors from them. To this day I can't avoid eating pipes when I see them, and I still keep a garbage can around for those times when I must live in one. Think of the children!
    • Re:Madness (Score:5, Interesting)

      by LionKimbro ( 200000 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:55PM (#21399253) Homepage
      I'm skeptical that this is a left-right issue.

      Parents on the right are just as restrictive as the parents on the left. My friend was raised conservative Christian, and his parents wouldn't let him read or see science fiction or fantasy. I don't see any kids playing in the streets, ever, republican or otherwise.

      What are the causes behind this? Is it a sue-happy society? Is it that we're just all just perfectly content to use the Internet? Or, did we somehow just become afraid of other people, and don't know how to act around them? Is it some motion that happened in psychology, that led people to think a certain thing? Is it a media effect, where a problem in one place is broadcast everywhere, and then we go into lockdown everywhere? Is it risk-aversion, no matter how small (erroring "slightly" in favor of too much caution, as repeated policy) ..?

      What?
      • Cause (Score:4, Insightful)

        by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara@hudson.barbara-hudson@com> on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:07PM (#21399373) Journal

        "I don't see any kids playing in the streets, ever, republican or otherwise. What are the causes behind this?"

        Video games, every kid having their own computer, dvd, etc. Being "sent to your room" is no longer punishment - the real task is to get them to come out except for meals.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by MayonakaHa ( 562348 )
          You'd think that.. but then I learned by way of my much younger cousin that sometimes that ends up being the result and not the cause. As a young child his mother and father were both over protective, he always wanted to go outside and play but they were afraid of him being hurt, getting sick, etc. He developed a lot of allergies and had skin conditions due to not developing resistance to every day things. His skin and allergies have cleared up, but his desire to go out into the world has effectively been q
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            Bingo! About 5 years ago I was dating this girl and met some of her family. Her aunt has a son who at the time was 13-14 years old who came into the room and asked to be driven down the street to his friends house. My first question was why not ride a bike? To my surprise (and I know my face gave it away lol) his mom responds that he has to wear a helmet to ride his bike so he doesn't ride it. WTF? He has to wear a helmet to ride a bike 3 blocks in the suburbs? Tell me this is some cruel joke. I sta
        • Re:Cause (Score:5, Funny)

          by djh101010 ( 656795 ) * on Sunday November 18, 2007 @03:25PM (#21400027) Homepage Journal

          Video games, every kid having their own computer, dvd, etc. Being "sent to your room" is no longer punishment - the real task is to get them to come out except for meals.

          Go to your room, and I'm revoking your DHCP lease for the next 3 hours!
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by LionKimbro ( 200000 )
          I think there's some truth to that, but--

          My own daughter, 6, while having a computer in her room and playing video games, still wants to play outside.

          I want to let her. Her mom and aunt, however, go into convulsions whenever she's outside. Where does this society of convulsions come from?

          When I was 6, just 24 years ago, I could go down to the end of the street and back, without anyone freaking out. When I was 8, I could go for miles.

          What happened?

          How is it that my daughter's mom and her aunt, both who gr
        • Re:Cause (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 18, 2007 @04:13PM (#21400487)
          I don't see any kids outside ever -- I'm a European living in the U.S., and this absence of kids on the street is by far the weirdest and creepiest thing about this country, to my eyes. I don't think it's because of computers and DVDs and such; kids in Western Europe have access to those things, too, but they also want to go out, go cycling in the woods, kick a ball in the street, etc. American culture in general is saturated with fear. Compare the reactions to 9/11 and the bombings in London, or just try living on both sides of the Atlantic for a while and you'll simply *feel* the difference.

          When I was 5, I walked to kindergarten. By myself. One year later, I started going to school, which was farther away -- one mile each way. I rode my bike, again by myself. And today, more than 30 years later, that's still how things work over there, but here, people freak out at the very idea. But then, hey, why am I surprised, this being a country that finds it necessary to build a monstrous nuclear-armed army, in a world that is almost entirely benevolent or at least neutral towards them, and then pick fights with third world countries left and right? Nobody is more afraid of bullying than the bully himself...

            - Thomas
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by CastrTroy ( 595695 )
            I live in Canada, and see a lot of the same. In my neighbourhood, there is a lot of kids, and a lot of families. I know this because I see them in the elevator, and on the bus. However we have an 18 month old that we take to the park quite a bit, at least every other day, and are surprised how few kids are at the park. Once in a while we'll see one or two other kids at the park, but many days we go there, and there's absolutely no one. I'm not sure what all these kids are doing, whether they are staying
      • Risk aversion? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by TheLink ( 130905 )
        Protect the children from everything, then send them to Iraq to die.

        Sounds like a plan to me :).
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by couchslug ( 175151 )
          "Protect the children from everything, then send them to Iraq to die.

          I've wondered throughout my military career if society isn't setting some of its young people up for PTSD by smothering them instead of expecting them to learn and cope.

          Anyone under 30 with some feedback?
          • Re:Risk aversion? (Score:5, Interesting)

            by BWJones ( 18351 ) * on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:43PM (#21399657) Homepage Journal
            Well, one might even wonder if that is happening in the services now as well... For instance, I was absolutely stunned to see that ladders are now being used to *help* recruits out of the backs of trucks. The recruits line up, hand their weapon to someone already on the ground and step out of the back of the truck and down the ladder. What happened to securing your weapon and hopping out of the back? Learn how to jump Marine!

    • by EmbeddedJanitor ( 597831 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:56PM (#21399263)
      On the street where I live, there are a bunch of people who live in garbage cans. I blame Sesame Street!

      There is nothing wrong with letting your kids see inappropriate behavior (eg. smoking or living in garbage cans), so long as they know not to do it themselves. They get to know what is right and wrong by internalizing a set of "values". They won't build up these values without some exposure. They also need to be able to talk about stuff too.

    • by rbochan ( 827946 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:56PM (#21399267) Homepage
      And the pussification of America continues.

    • by alexhmit01 ( 104757 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:01PM (#21399319)
      Accidents happen. With 300 million people in America, a 1 in 1 million chance hits 300 people a year. Each year a few children tragically drown in pools, so we've scared parents about pools, and criminalized pools (in terms of liability) without fences and fences around fences. Every child's death is a tragedy, but locking up parents that make decisions that we don't like has done far more damage than good.

      Parents told that a small spanking is child abuse. Children with working single mothers going home to an empty house is an unfortunately economic reality, but if some accident happens, we arrest the parent for child endangerment.

      Bad things can happen, but the modern small family size combined with an overzealous judiciary and Departments of Child Services has resulted where we want to criminalize anything going wrong.

      Instead of blaming parents, look at a legal culture that expects nothing bad to happen to a child and determines a person's entire worth on the success of their children. When families with children had 4-5 children, you expected most to come out alright but occasionally something bad happens. In families of 1-2 children, anything bad is a catastrophe.

      Far more harm is being done to children by overprotection than the risks of life. But its hard to blame parents when if they get hit with the 1 in a million accident (that affects dozens of children a year), they can go to jail and have their other children taken away from them.

      Let's see, woman that don't breastfeed are told that they endanger their children. Women that do may be criminally charged [skeptictank.org] if they don't follow the social standard in the US... A poor woman was jailed because she couldn't see a Doctor and didn't realize that the child was malnourished from breast-feeding (mathematically rare, but real and if you criminalize 2% of all women)... The breast-feeding ones make the headlines, but the push towards criminalizing parents if kids do anything wrong, including pranks and petty vandalism add up. It's hard to be a parent, because your child is a natural explorer and risk taker, and you normally just have to make sure no unreasonable danger is present. However, if a child falls and hurts himself, you can be sure that child services will show up and decide that anything you failed to do to "child-proof" your home (as if children aren't a natural part of the home) is criminal neglect, it's hard to put the fault entirely on parents.

      Being a parent in today's age is really tough, because in the back of your mind IS busybodies that will decide that you are a negligent parent for letting your child see something that is a natural part of life. Parents have been condemned/charged if the child sees them engage in sexual acts, while co-sleeping is a natural if unpopular approach to parenting. These choices are all reasonable, whether I would make them for my child or not, but the criminalization of anything outside the norm for parenting takes some of the fun out of it.

      It's not the parents... it's the system of do-gooders that make life hell on parents.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by AB3A ( 192265 )

        It's not the parents... it's the system of do-gooders that make life hell on parents.

        As a very active daddy of three young children, I say Bravo! Busybodies would have told me that my kids were doomed. But where would they be if they didn't get a skinned knee, fall out of a tree, hit a thumb with a hammer, or get burned from a soldering iron?

        Would they ever learn why safety should come first? They have to see consequences or nothing will make sense. It's a big bad world out there. How can they safely

    • Political correctness has even ended careers of minorities. One of the most famous was Mantan Morland. He was one of the funniest comedians of his time. He was highly paid and the studios gave him star billing gladly at a time when most black actors barely got a mention. The persona was his own creation and was meant to reflect his character's personality but it was deemed a negative stereotype and it basically ended his career at it's height. Was it positive? It was never meant to be but the point is he wa
    • Re:Madness (Score:4, Interesting)

      by drooling-dog ( 189103 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:27PM (#21399553)
      So true about the way that kids are raised these days, and it's one of my pet peeves. The sensationalist media (among other things) has made most parents very fearful of all kinds of horrible things that might happen if their kids are allowed out of their padded rooms and tightly-supervised activities. Television news is the worst; if anything nasty happens anywhere, they'll make it seem like it's happening right next door and all around you, every day. People want to think of themselves as good parents and especially want to appear to others like they are, but in order to achieve that label you have to submit to the general hysteria. So, kids are trotted from one adult-organized activity to the next, and seldom get the opportunity for spontaneous, inventive play with their peers.

      Reminds me of a report on a local TV news programs a few years ago on Halloween. A reporter was interviewing a cop at a police station where candy was being x-rayed for the usual pins, needles, razor blades, etc. The gist of the report was that you're taking a big chance if you don't bring your kid's candy in for this scanning. So the reporter finally asks how much of this junk they find on a typical Halloween, and the cop had to reply that, in fact, they'd never found a single foreign object in any piece of candy in the 15 or 20 years that they'd performed this service. But, of course there's always a first time and you can't be too careful.

      I'm glad I grew up when I did, when kids could be kids.
    • Re:Madness (Score:5, Insightful)

      by 0xdeadbeef ( 28836 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:29PM (#21399559) Homepage Journal
      Quit swallowing the propaganda of "political correctness". There is absolutely no dichotomy between homophobia and the encroaching nanny-state. They may latch on to different bogeymen, be it is gays, guns, drugs, video games, terrorists, etc., but the psychology is the same.
    • I don't really get what's so "liberal" about this kind of inane overprotection of children from images of real adults. Sesame Street was a completely liberal invention: government TV to help raise children by presenting a friendly urban street with diverse, idiosyncratic neighbors. Dehumanizing it and refusing to trust parents to help their children interpret the images is pretty weird, but it's not "liberal".
  • by Wonko the Sane ( 25252 ) * on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:31PM (#21399045) Journal
    From the we-must-censor-the-past department...

    What about the guy in 101 Dalmations? He's smoking his pipe in almost every scene. I don't really pay much attention to Disney cartoons, maybe they have released a "special edition" that removes the pipe?
    • by Protonk ( 599901 )
      I totally forgot about that one. Of course, if we are counting illicit references, look no further than "The Sword in the Stone."
    • Or The Little Mermaid where a guy who looks like he is probably pushing 30 ends up kissing this girl who had earlier proclaimed herself to be 16.
    • But then released yet another version where they removed the shotgun and replaced it with a flashlight.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Wildclaw ( 15718 )

      It is not like there aren't companies that have experience at censoring cartoons. Just look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editing_of_anime_in_American_distribution/ [wikipedia.org] to see some nice examples how some animes have been butchered in the US. Redrawing cigarettes into toothpicks or lollipops are among things that already has happened.

      And if disney decides to redraw some of their previous cartoons, I doubt they would even call it a special edition. They would start shipping the new version and abandon the ol

  • by Protonk ( 599901 )
    Sesame Street was great for a generation of children to grow up with. It's about a billion times more edifying than that garbage that gets pumped out and served to kids at high volume (and volumes).

    This reminds me of Snow Crash (was it snow crash?), where companies are paid big money to edit out smoking in classic films, because it isn't appropriate anymore.

    Assholes.
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:32PM (#21399061)
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  • WTF?!?! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by andreyvul ( 1176115 ) <andrey.vulNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:34PM (#21399071)
    No, really: WTF?!?!
  • Hey, then... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by OpenSourced ( 323149 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:36PM (#21399091) Journal
    They should label _all_ DVDs as adult-only, as the Cookie Monster always was an anxious overeater, and that's also a bad role model, I suppose.

    Besides, most monsters were naked, if I remember it correctly. And even if you can forgive that in a furry monster, what about a frog?

    I guess we have to look again to Sesame Street, seeing the videos backwards if needed. Probably we'll find much evil lurking there, that probably could go a long way to explain why we are so fucked up as grown-ups. Hmmm... perhaps there is material there for a good lawsuit.

  • by mccalli ( 323026 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:37PM (#21399101) Homepage
    'These early 'Sesame Street' episodes are intended for grown-ups, and may not suit the needs of today's preschool child.'

    No, they aren't. The early episodes, as with the middle episodes and the late episodes and indeed with every episode ever filmed, were intended for children. Yes there were some nods here and there to the adults, but the episodes are intended for children.

    I despise smoking - really can't stand it. That said, I've made absolutely no attempt to show non-smoking only films to my kids. I seem to remember Ghostbusters for example, has Ray dropping a cigarette out of his mouth at the sight of a ghost and our kids love Ghostbusters.

    I love the standards at work - apparently lying is fine. Just not smoking a comedy pipe.

    Cheers,
    Ian
  • ... so (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dzimas ( 547818 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:40PM (#21399131)

    Why is it that shows like Power Rangers are acceptable for slightly older kids, then? They clearly demonstrate an approach to the world seems destined to create a legion of Stormtroopers for Darth Vader's next galactic conquest, where head-to-toe uniforms obscure all trace of personality and violence succeeds above all else. A (very) weak argument could be made that violent kids' shows are aimed at a more mature audience, but many six and seven year olds have pre-school brothers and sisters who are exposed to this stuff "accidentally."

  • by jollyreaper ( 513215 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:47PM (#21399183)

    Well, in the parody 'Monsterpiece Theater,' Alistair Cookie -- played by Cookie Monster -- used to appear with a pipe, which he later gobbled. 'That modeled the wrong behavior,' explained a Sesame Street executive producer
    I suppose that would represent a choking hazard.

    I'm gonna start my own kid's show, Darwin Street. It will feature lots of colorful characters doing dangerous, emulatable things. If your kid kills himself doing something he saw on the show, we didn't need him in the gene pool anyway. Better yet, video tape whatever your kid did to off himself and you might win something in our sister show, America's Funniest Home Fatalities.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:48PM (#21399189)
    Values have changed. Cartoons from the 1930's to the 1960's are hard to find in their original incarnations because of violence and racial insensitivity.

    It's only a matter of time before the Cookie Monster becomes the Carrot Stick and Broccoli Floret Monster, Big Bird becomes Avian American of Special Stature, and Oscar the Grouch becomes Differently Tempered Oscar with Alternate Housing Preferences. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
  • by Kenrod ( 188428 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:49PM (#21399199)
    In history, the winners get to write the history books. This is usually applied to military winners, but since war is so un-PC these days, it's the cultural war winners who write the books. Right now the winners are the PC nanny-staters who, in spite of their message of tolerance, are some of the most intolerant people on earth for those buck their orthodoxy.
    • by m2943 ( 1140797 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:05PM (#21399355)
      Right now the winners are the PC nanny-staters

      "PC nanny staters" is usually a codeword used by the American right to complain about the American left.

      But this isn't a left-vs-right issue. The right wing in the US has its very own "political correctness" (namely, conformance with Christian ideals) and its very own "nanny state" policies (ranging from school prayer to extrajudicial renditions).

      So, if you want to contribute to this debate, why don't you start by avoiding slogans created by one party to smear the other one? Both the Democrats and the Republicans are to blame for this bullshit.
  • by rueger ( 210566 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @01:55PM (#21399259) Homepage
    Sesame Street? I give the kids in my life copies of Peewee's Playhouse [peewee.com]. You want adult content? Innuendo? Sexuality? You got it! Best kid's show ever made.

    Problem is that people forget that kids are actually pretty damned intelligent. Give them credit for smarts.
    • by hb253 ( 764272 )
      Before we had kids, my wife and I used to watch Peewee's Playhouse on Saturday mornings. It was amazing what they got away with on that show!

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )
      Except of course that it's the most irritating show of any kind ever made. Even when I was eight I couldn't stand to watch it.
    • Hey, it's the show that launched the careers of Lawrence Fishburne and S. Epatha Merkerson. It's gotta be good!

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by ip_vjl ( 410654 )
      One particularly funny exchange between PeeWee and Cowboy Curtis [wikipedia.org] (Laurence Fishburne) when Cowboy Curtis needs new boots.

      PeeWee: Gee, Cowboy Curtis, you sure have big feet.
      Curtis: Well, you know what they say, PeeWee. Big feet ... (long pause) ... big boots!
      • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:53PM (#21399765) Journal
        PeeWee's Playhouse was the most bizarre and subversive television program ever made by anybody, save perhaps for Monty Python's Flying Circus. It's a pitty Rueben's committed career suicide, because that show as the most brilliant half-hour acid trip in history. I'm not precisely sure how it ever got on the air, particularly on Saturday mornings amongst all the 22 minute advertisements for toys (better known as the Saturday morning cartoon). I was in my late teens when it was on, and I have a suspicion that a healthy chunk of the audience was 16 years or older.
  • by antifoidulus ( 807088 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:02PM (#21399323) Homepage Journal
    Wikipedia states that they cut [wikipedia.org] about a minute out of the "Big Bird in China" DVD where Big Bird goes around asking if anyone speaks American...
  • I guess kids can't handle the idea that something is imaginary or unrealistic, even though we encourage them to use and develop their imagination. Good idea, let's confuse them and let's not make any sense ourselves! Let's taboo things and hope they won't be drawn to them, that's worked in the past! I can see we're really evolving here as a society... and to think I was worried!
  • Cookie Monster ate the pipe!! I totally forgot about that.. Fucking funny shit. Sesame Street is totally awesome.

  • Parenting by Proxy (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:05PM (#21399357)
    The trouble is, regardless of what children's program you decide to allow your children to watch, you need to be there with them anyway. This statement has been made time and time again but no one seems to listen. I always thought of shows like Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, Mr.Wizard, Eureka's Castle, Pinwheel, Square One, The Electric Company, and a host of others as something that I could watch with my parents when I was younger. Honestly, they enjoyed it too because it gave us something to do as a family. The television is not a damn babysitter for chrissake!

    Furthermore, truth is truth. The lessons taught by Sesame Street almost four decades ago still ring true today. Counting from one to ten, the alphabet, and Grover's spatial relations (near, far) aren't dated, they're classic. This is yet another example of individuals not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions and leaving it up to the government or similar-level authorities to decide how we should live life. And they have. So what if Cookie Monster had a pipe? Didn't look like he was actually smoking it. Kids knew better in my day anyway. Smoking is bad. Our parents only had to say it once and we listened--mostly because if they caught you smoking you got the crap beaten out of you and you didn't do it. It wasn't fucking abuse...it was discipline! That's not a dirty word! I should also point out that we were smart enough back then to know you couldn't eat a pipe, drop an anvil on someone's head and have them...you know...not die, or paint a picture of a tunnel on a rock and drive through it. Children are smarter than you think...and those very few who would perform these actions are merely subject to Darwin's Law.

    If I (or anyone) had been told fifteen or more years ago what society was going to be like today, I do believe it would be scarier than anything the Cold War threw at us as we've gradually slid down the slippery slope of political correctness into an abysmal darkness where no longer can anyone do anything without worrying how it affects just one (or few) individual(s) thoughts, feelings, or condition.

    I hate what our society has become. Take some damned responsibility (you lazy-ass fucktards) before 1984 really does arrive!
  • Sissyfication of America... I mean, c'mon folks, there's too much Political Correctness in this world. I think irony, sarcasm, a bit of rough play is not bad.

    In the UK and some states the U.S. children are not allowed to play tag in school grounds anymore. Yesterday we took our toddler to the park and under the slide and swings there are rubber floors. AS I said to the in-laws, 40 years ago I had no problems falling on the ground and finding my knee scratched.

    We didn't die because of those Sesame St episode
  • by swb ( 14022 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:11PM (#21399411)
    I found a web site with detailed photos of changes done to Richard Scary illustrated children's books. It was fairly minor, but I consider it political correctness run amok in most instances (changes to gender roles, elimination of smoking, etc).

    I've made an effort to find used children's books where I can, particularly pre-1970s, as these are unlikely to have been edited and also tend to show a wider range of behaviors and experiences (such as shooting & hunting and other "dangerous" behavior).

    One of the few bright spots have been the original Curious George books; we've bought them new and they still show George and/or the Man in The Yellow Hat smoking a pipe. We've bought some of the new ones illustrated in the style of curious George and the only thing that seems to be altered are more non-white characters, which occasionally seem out of place in an apparently 1940s America.

    Although in "Curious George at the Baseball Game" there's what I presume is an unintentionally ironic bit of multiculturalism -- George wreaks havoc at a ballgame and gets in trouble with a TV camera woman. She chases him and he hides, and then finds a lost little black boy. The TV camera woman catches them and then realizes the boy is lost and puts their images on the Jumbotron.

    The irony is in the caption on the Jumbotron reads "IS THIS YOU BOY OR YOUR MONKEY?", with both George and the boy on the screen. A racist wouldn't have written it better on purpose.

    • One of the few bright spots have been the original Curious George books

      Hehe. It's interesting you should pick that example. Here's one person's interpretation [headbutler.com], which pretty much matches what went through my mind when I reread it as an adult:

      A black man, living happily in his African homeland, is tricked by a white man dressed like an English lord. Without asking about his family or his preferences, the white man shackles the black man and takes him on a slave ship to America. In the city, the black m

  • Just wait... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BlueParrot ( 965239 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:31PM (#21399571)
    ...and so, Romeo and Juliet lived happily ever after.

    Hey, if they can do it to H.C. Andersen and the Grimm Brothers, they can do it to Shakespeare...

  • A is for Anecdote (Score:3, Informative)

    by Bieeanda ( 961632 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:34PM (#21399595)
    This reminds me of when PBS was tightening its belt, and making noises about cutting back on Sesame Street's budget. One of the people in charge looked the bigwigs straight in the eye and said:

    "Okay. Tell me which letter of the alphabet you want me to fire."

    They got the message, and everyone's favorite slum got a reprieve.

    Frankly, I'm glad (and a little surprised) that they just didn't get rid of those old skits. A lot has changed since they were first filmed.

  • pre-teen wasteland (Score:3, Interesting)

    by xPsi ( 851544 ) * on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:49PM (#21399721)
    Seriously, what this "warning label" is really doing is sending a message to the millions of kids-now-adults who grew up with Sesame Street in the 70s: "we have analyzed what this stuff did to you and it ain't pretty." (even if they didn't do the analysis -- which I doubt they did -- that's still the undertone). Gee, thanks! On that note, I can say that gobbling tobacco pipes is really not as uncomfortable as it looks. This generation's award-winning children's programming is the next's NC-17 controversy.
  • Diamond Age (Score:4, Insightful)

    by king-manic ( 409855 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @02:56PM (#21399791)
    I sort of like the idea that great people require "interesting upbringings" and the heavily filtered world we give to kids these days will just make more sheeple. You really do need to teach your kids more then to read, write and simple math. Much of the old stories (brothers grim and other fables) had violence, death, and loss. I think it might scare your children but when they grow up they need to deal with violence, death and loss. Thus they need soem grounding in how to deal with these. The vacuous entertainment they are presented is just too empty.
  • CLASSIC music (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cliveholloway ( 132299 ) on Sunday November 18, 2007 @03:20PM (#21399993) Homepage Journal

    Stevie Wonder's performance of Superstition [youtube.com] on Sesame Street kicks major ass.

    Seems like those days are gone though. I mean, what the hell is wrong with introducing kids to really good music? At nearly 7 minutes, this has to be a Sesame Street record.

    Kids do appreciate "adult" music. I was playing Portishead in the car yesterday, and my five year old made me shush so she could listen to Glory Box. And she also likes Daft Punk and Datarock.

    Fuck all those "kids songs with stupid lyrics" ;-)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 18, 2007 @03:58PM (#21400335)
    His speech on political correctness, delivered 16 February 1999, Ames Courtroom, Austin Hall, Harvard University Law School:
    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/charltonhestonculturalwar.htm [americanrhetoric.com]

    *I remember my son when he was five, explaining to his kindergarten class what his father did for a living. "My Daddy," he said, "pretends to be people." There have been quite a few of them. Prophets from the Old and New Testaments, a couple of Christian saints, generals of various nationalities and different centuries, several kings, three American presidents, a French cardinal and two geniuses, including Michelangelo. If you want the ceiling re-painted I'll do my best. There always seem to be a lot of different fellows up here. I'm never sure which one of them gets to talk. Right now, I guess I'm the guy.

    As I pondered our visit tonight it struck me: if my Creator gave me the gift to connect you with the hearts and minds of those great men, then I want to use that same gift now to re-connect you with your own sense of liberty, your own freedom of thought, your own compass for what is right.*

    Dedicating the memorial at Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln said of America, "We are now engaged in a great Civil War, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure."

    Those words are true again. I believe that we are again engaged in a great civil war, a cultural war that's about to hijack your birthright to think and say what lives in your heart. I'm sure you no longer trust the pulsing lifeblood of liberty inside you, the stuff that made this country rise from wilderness into the miracle that it is.

    Let me back up a little. About a year or two ago, I became president of the National Rifle Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms of American citizens. I ran for office. I was elected, and now I serve. I serve as a moving target for the media who've called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know, I'm pretty old, but I sure Lord ain't senile.

    As I've stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I've realized that firearms are -- are not the only issue. No, it's much, much bigger than that. I've come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain accepted thoughts and speech are mandated.

    For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 -- and long before Hollywood found it acceptable, I may say. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist.

    I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life -- throughout my whole career. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe.

    I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out the innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite.

    Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution I'm talking about, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh.

    From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind like that. You are using language not authorized for public consumption."

    But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys -- subjects bound to the British crown.

    In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that

    "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly twisted on us --

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