Steve Fossett Declared Dead 221
Parallax Blue writes "Millionaire adventurer Steve Fossett, who risked his life seeking to set records in high-tech balloons, gliders and jets, was declared dead Friday, 5 months after he vanished while flying in an ordinary small plane. The self-made business tycoon, who in 2002 became the first person to circle the world solo in a balloon, was last seen Sept. 3 after taking off in a single-engine plane from an airstrip near Yerington, Nev., heading toward Bishop, Calif. He was 63."
Wife wanted his will put into effect? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Wife wanted his will put into effect? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think she was waiting for him ... (Score:2)
Not half as much psychological stress as if the dead guy actually shows up...
Wife: Gee Steve, you're dead! ... I knew you'd come home.
... well, sorry about the worms, and the smell - being dead is a bit of a drag.
Steve: Yep. Been that way for a while. Nice to know you were waiting for me.
Wife: Well of course I waited for you, darling
Steve: Yeah
Wife: Cheer up. Now that you're back, we can have your funeral.
Steve:
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Boy, will she have some explaining to do... (Score:5, Funny)
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Jim Gray (Score:2, Interesting)
Why is Fossett's wife in a rush to declare that her husband is dead?
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Billions and Billions... (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is Fossett's wife in a rush to declare that her husband is dead?
Because it's probably pretty hard to run an estate of a billionaire without the guy being dead. Even billionaires have bills to pay.
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5 months is hardly 'in a rush' - remember with Fosset there are billions on the line and political and legal positioning to grab a slice of it will just pile up more and more the longer she waits. She's doing what needs to be done to protect the estate, as callous as that sounds but it needs to be done. One assumes someone who lives dangerously and has so much money like Fosset has left a will but greedy relatives and business partners can chew it all up in legal bills rather than whatever it was Fosset wanted done with his assets after he was gone.
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Chris Date [wikipedia.org] is far more of an authority on databases than Jim Gray is. To call Jim gray the leading authority is very misleading.
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Faked death (Score:2, Interesting)
If he was a gangster rapper you'd see people coming up with faked death theories with weird patterns in numbers related to his disappearance to give us all hope...
Unfortunately he was no gangster rapper, only a simple average white billionaire..
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We had a good friend of the family go missing and presumed dead when he was in his late 50's. He was wealthy (not stinking rich, but had owned a car dealership and good investments for 30 years). The circumstances caused our family to think that he had staged things, including insider info (such as a rented car... unusual... and certain affairs nicely wrapped up, including insurance).
Why, one wonders, would he do such a thing when he was at the top of his career and independently wealthy? Easy.
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Guest Appearnce (Score:5, Funny)
too soon, too soon
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The impression I got was that Mr. Fosset was anything but /average/.
Whoosh.. [ijustreali...letime.com]
The man died with open eyes doing what he loved (Score:5, Interesting)
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As a pilot, I hate it when... (Score:5, Informative)
Fortunately I have never been in such a dire predicament while behind the controls of a plane, the worst that's happened to me was a partial loss of power after takeoff during climbout in a C172, but I had plenty of altitude and an airport right behind me in easy gliding distance in case the engine quit completely, but I landed normally without incident. I can tell you I was certainly NOT loving it, and the emotion going thru my head was that I was pissed off at the airplane.
Two pilot friends of mine have died in small plane crashes, both due to making really stupid errors in judgement. As they drilled their respective planes into the dirt, they were not doing what they loved either. Both of them took friends and family members to their deaths with them too.
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You're being overly literal. That's a generally accepted shorthand for "at least he was engaged in an activity he enjoyed, not rotting away in an Alzheimers ward or in the agonizing throes of cancer". Steve was definitely doing something he loved, save but for the last few minutes.
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That's a generally accepted shorthand for "at least he was engaged in an activity he enjoyed, not rotting away in an Alzheimers ward or in the agonizing throes of cancer".
Why is that any better? He's still dead. If you were to die from cancer, or some other long term disease, at least you die with the people around you. He died alone, in some unknown place. That's supposed to be "better"?
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We all go through the death process by ourselves; no one else in this world can help us on that journey.
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Whether he was enjoying the last moments of life or not, he was at least enjoying life up to that point.
Followed by many moments of intense panic, worry, etc. What is it with this strange fantasy people concoct about death? I just don't buy the whole story about how great it is to die while "doing something you love". It's just a fairy tale people tell themselves to make them feel a bit better about death.
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My dad died alone in his front yard of a sudden, massive heart attack. We didn't get to gather around him, tell stories, and say goodbye as he faded. One day I got a call from my screaming mom, and that was it - he was dead.
Know what? That was better. We were together while he was still alive and healthy, and his family's last memories of him are as we always knew him: strong and happy and himself. I wouldn't change that for the world, and I know inside that he wouldn't either.
So, yeah. Steve Fossett died well.
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Know what? That was better.
For who? You? I thought we were talking about Steve Fossett, not his family.
Sorry about your dad, we'll all likely face that day sometime. But I just don't understand why one way of dying is better than some other way of dying. I'm sure we can all agree that being tortured to death would be pretty horrible.. but I just don't understand this weird story people have come up with, where Steve Fosset is grinning, flying into the sunset, and then the movie ends with a "Steve Fosse
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Get it?
Not really. You've created another fantasy about "the best way to die". We don't even really know if this plane accident thing was Steve Fossett's "best way to die" or even if it was particularly horrible, or great, or anything. It's just a nice story to tell yourself, but none of it is real.
It's all just a bunch of nonsense to stave off the real thoughts about dying. In the end, the guy is still dead.
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There really is no best way to die, just a good way to prepare for death. My father was diagnosed with inoperable cancer, and given two months to live. His last time alive was spent preparing everyone for his death, which happened a month later. He didn't spend his time doing things that others may have thought would have been good things to experience in ones life, he spent it making things easier for the living.
Fatally crashing unexpectedly removes
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But many other agree with the sentiments expressed by the saying.
And many people disagree with the sentiments being expressed. What's your point?
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BUT, if he managed to escape it, he surely would think it was 'unfskingomgbelievably AWESOME!!!111'
It may be pretty cool... if you don't get hurt.
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You may be wrong about "what he loved" is referring to.
I personally, would be quite happy to die in a fiery explosion that produced a crater big enough to be visible from the moon. That'd be sweet (as long as no one else got hurt)! In that case, crashing wouldn't be what I loved, but making a crater would be.
"Doing what he loved" in some cases might also refer to some recreational pharmaceuticals and individuals of negotiable affection (though probably not in this case). I mean, with those involved, you might not actually notice you crashed until the ground rises up and smites you.
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That all sounds very absolutist and projected. How can you speculate on a person's last moments without being a close personal friend?
From what I've read o
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This is no tragedy; we should be celebrating this man's life.
A billionaire who spent his billions on hot air balloon rides, and trying to fly around the world?
Sorry, I just don't see much worth celebrating. I'm sure he loved it, and great for him and all. But I don't find what he did or accomplished terribly noteworthy or important.
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Joe
HotBalloonSupplies.com
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doing what he loved
I am not sure a sane mind can love crashing a plane and dying. Only some insane islamofascist terrorists enjoy doing that. If a sane person wants to commit suicide for whatever reason, there are surely better and less messy solutions. If someone wants to get rid of their plane, they could give it to charity or sell it. If someone wants a thrill, they can try some extreme sports which are dangerous but not lethal. Crashing a plane can only be the result of psychopathy or technical or human error.
That
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There aren't many people like him left. One less now that he's gone.
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Big wilderness out there (Score:5, Interesting)
Then again, there is an almost-intact crashed plane near the western (Highway 190) entrance to Death Valley, near Towne Pass, that's in plain view of the highway yet almost impossible to see unless you know what you are looking for. It crashed in the 50s; it was part of a CIA mission and lost power over the Amargosa Valley. The crew bailed out near Furnace Creek, if my memory serves me correctly, then the plane crashed in the Panamint Range to the west.
Some pics from someone who hiked to the site: http://rides.webshots.com/album/292358776FDMVRo [webshots.com]
After seeing that on one of my outings, Fossett's plight isn't so incredible to me. Sucks to be him, but he certainly didn't live a hard knocks life prior to his demise.
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Its not a nice terrain to spot things.
If the plane went down and burned out, you wouldnt see the remains from 100 meters away.
Trying to spot it from a plane is just grasping for straws.
The worst theory i heard about this accident was that its not too unlikely he crashed his plance to either freeze or die of thirst down in the desert.
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When I look at the resolution of google earth (easy to make out cars or even humans)
I imagine it must be trivial to locate a crashed plane in a known area, at least
with military satellites. Maybe time intensive (I have no idea about their state
of image processing) but isn't human life worth the effort?
So why aren't these used for search & rescue?
How many airplane crashes are there, all over the world, every day?
Would it be too much asked to provide satellite aid in cases such
as thi
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If it crashed hard or burned you are looking for a bunch of strew/burned trash that will not look like a plane or anything for that matter.
OK That's it (Score:5, Insightful)
Right under this story I see a tag of "whogivesafuck."
That's just not acceptable.
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As an adventurer, a go-getter, a risk-taker, he inspires us to live. He's worth mentioning.
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As an adventurer, a go-getter, a risk-taker, he inspires us to live.
Ballooning and flying long distances in a plane inspires you to live? I find that kind of sad. I don't need inspiration to live, do you?
The only people that really inspire me are anyone that's tried to change the world for the better. Hell, even Bill Gates is using his billions to do that. This guy has used to his billions for his own pleasure. There's nothing wrong with that, I guess. But I just don't understand why it's so inspiring
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I turned them off a long time ago since they provide no value.
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every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main
if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were,
as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were
any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind
and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls
it tolls for thee.
-- John Donne
Sure it's acceptable (Score:2, Insightful)
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I mean did a moderator choose to put it there? Did enough people enter that exact phrase to roll it to the top of some list?
I have to be honest -- I have no idea how the tagging works.
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Phrases that are snarky commentary should not be tags.
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That's just not acceptable.
His family probably gives a fuck though, but I didn't even know who he was, and after reading the news title, I still don't understand how he matters more to my life than a random citizen that dies as I'm typing this. YOU don't give a fuck about that person either, whoever it is.
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Within days of my daughter's murder somebody posted a message to me on a public forum stating "that bitch got popped."
Do I think that this person literally thought of my daughter as a "bitch?" No, but I do think that the opportunity to feel empowered by pissing me off was hard for them to resist. Unfortunately a lot of people are pricks and if there's the chance that they can appear to be some cool badass by showing how much of a prick they are then they'll jump at it.
Do I truly care about Steve Fossett's death? No, I didn't know him and frankly have far more to worry about. But do I have a sense of decorum when it comes to appreciating the pain that his friends and family are going through? Absolutely - and this wasn't a revelation I arrived at while I grieve but rather my basic human ability to empathize for others.
But then again I have many ways to feel personally empowered without needing to resort to "whogivesafuck" tagging.
And - I'm not a prick.
Drew Crecente
Director, Jennifer Ann's Group
http://www.jenniferann.org/ [jenniferann.org]
Fight Teen Dating Violence!
Inappropriate tagging" (Score:5, Interesting)
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It's very sad, but you can always hope that maybe they will grow up a bit in time.
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And I'm not so sure that they're as young as you think: I'm pretty certain that some of them have had plenty of time to grow up but didn't.
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Now, if each of us could click a "jackass" button, and when a certain number of them get pressed the individual responsible receives a brief 30 kV electric shock
Get over it already. If you're really that ticked off by some random tag on slashdot, I suggest barricading yourself in a room and never coming out again.
I'm offended at least once a week by stories I read in the mainstream media. The AP carried a story yesterday about the IL shooter guy, expressing amazement how he didn'
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Since they're so easily offended by the "real world", where do you think they've been living for the last decade? Their skin is probably so pasty white from living
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I have no particular emotional involvement in the man's life or death - and nor do many others. That isn't to say I would have wished him ill - I just don't see why I should care. He seemed to have enjoyed life - good for him. This is just the judicial declaration of something that most people assumed long ago.
And if the death of someone I loved was reported on Slashdot, "who gives a fuck" would be an entirely appropriate tag.
More than that - it would be rather creepy if you DID give a fuck. Displays of public grief for people we do not know, but with whom we pretend an intimacy to which we are not really entitled are distasteful and should always be challenged.
I did not tag the article. That said, without wishing Fosset either well, or ill, but just on general principals that this is someone who I did not know, reports of the judicial declaration of death of whom are cluttering up Slashdot, I echo the tag: "Whogivesafuck?"
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Therefore, yes. I certainly do give a fuck.
I'll agree that it might be a bit odd to be overwhelmingly emotional about a total stranger, but at the same time, you'd practically have to be a robot [xkcd.com] not to empathize with his family.
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Ignorant fibbers in the congregation
Gather around spewing sympathy, spare me
None of them could even hold a candle up to you
Blinded by choices hypocrites won't seek
But enough about the collective Judas
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Great! Now I know what to say when people say "But Jesus died ...!" "Who gives a f*ck?"
In
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You know how it goes ... they make an appeal based on guilt - "but Jesus died for you!" - as if you should be grateful.
My response - "Did Jesus die for you?"
Their reply "for sure!"
Me: "So basically you're saying Jesus is a double-dipper."
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So why, didn't he do anything useful. Instead of, you know, pissing off a couple of bank
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If they clearly didn't care, they wouldn't bother tagging the article in the first place.
You obviously don't get it.
The person who tagged the article DID care.
He/she obviously doesn't want news stories of people's death unless they perhaps have had a major impact in society.
That's the part of where he cares.
This story was tagged as such for the same reason other stories are tagged "slownewsday". It's not that they care about the content, but about the contents on Slashdot.
I hope you get it now.
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Whoever tagged this article "whogivesafuck" should turn in their human card at the door. Sure, you may not have known this guy personally, but that tag is in really poor taste. How would you like it if after someone you knew died, someone came up to you and said "he's dead. so what?".
It mean [yimg.com], but thousands of people die everyday, I don't know how many go missing. This guy was rich and famous, and that's why we're hearing about him, and not about all the others.
I don't really care about him more than about anyone of the countless anonymous deaths. I didn't know him, I lost nothing when he disappeared. And I don't feel bad about it. In fact, I'm annoyed that people care more about a dead rich guy than about a hundred poor ones.
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Whoever tagged this article "whogivesafuck" should turn in their human card at the door.
Even though I wouldn't have said it, it's an appropriate sentiment. Fossett was a rich guy who got his kicks doing potentially dangerous stunts with little or no practical value. He died doing the setup work for his next stunt. C'est la vie.
His effect on my life was somewhere between "nothing at all" and "Steve who?" The same day he went missing, about 100 people in the U.S. died in car accidents. About the same number died of complications due to influenza. Do all of them deserve a slashdot story?
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Welcome to a new low (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe the tagger is just jealous, because this man did the right thing with all his money. Instead of attending stupid show-off parties, he used his money to make his dreams become reality.
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Two chicks at the same time?
Am I the only one who likes to dream that... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Strange occurances (Score:3, Interesting)
Humbled by our inability to find him (Score:3, Interesting)
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Well, I'd say there's a pretty good chance it was a sub-par model, all things considered.
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Hardly - the plane he was using was an aerobatic Bellanca-built Super Decathlon Citabria, [wikipedia.org] capable of inverted flight and frequently used for aerobatic training.
No kidding, here's the lineage... (Score:3, Informative)
(1) Champ
(2) Citabria (various versions)
-----> (2.5) Scout line derived from Citabria airframe to become bush-plane line.
(3) Decathlon
(4) Super Decathlon
Steve was flying the top of the line model, though the Scout probably would've been a better choice of a plane for the particular mission Steve was flying, if he would have had one available.
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It would take very roughly 1,750,000,000,000 light single-engine airplanes to cover the dry-land area of this planet -- or 15,500,000,000 for Nevada. Yes, it's a very big place. Aerial searches that find nothing are not in the least uncommon. An FAA district office I visited in Denver some years back had a wall map showing the last known positions of over thirty aircraft just in Colorado. Even Ohio, the most uniformly populated state, has one or two. Like to try an expensive science-fair project? Make a full-size cardboard effigy of a crashed airplane, have someone place it in a random spot in an area of, say, 20 x 20 miles, then charter an airplane and look for it.
It's spooky, really, but I have to think that there'll be a Slashdot story in a few years about how his bones and his plane were found using new Google Maps Streetview - Desert Edition.
There is an organized project trying to do that, right now.
rj