GPS Used To Find Graves In Eco-Burial Sites 171
Narrative Fallacy writes "Relatives and friends will use a satellite navigation device to find graves of loved ones in Australia's eco-burial site on bushland attached to Lismore Memorial Park Cemetery, in New South Wales. Reflecting a worldwide trend towards environmentally friendly burials, the deceased will be buried in biodegradable coffins between gum trees in a protected koala sanctuary. 'It's an ideal way of utilizing land and helping wildlife and vegetation,' said Kris Whitney, Lismore Council coordinator of cemeteries. 'A family can walk around the bushland and pick a site. The body can be oriented in any direction. We promise there will be no internments within five meters. We'll record accurate GPS co-ordinates.' Families visiting graves would be lent a satellite navigation device. This will be Australia's fourth 'natural burial site' with existing sites in Tasmania, Victoria, and Western Australia."
Way to go to make me feel like a goldfish (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Way to go to make me feel like a goldfish (Score:5, Informative)
It doesn't concern me one bit what happens to my carcass after death.
I recall my father once said he'd like his body just dumped to ocean in a bag after he's dead. Later he switched to wanting to be cremated and the ashes sprinkled in a forest where he used to play as a kid.
Well, he was cremated but my gradparents found it atrocious for him to be buried in common land and after all they got a burial place on "blessed" land for the urn.
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Way to go to make me feel like a goldfish (Score:5, Insightful)
But I wouldn't send my body to some random stranger for the reason that it might matter to my relatives. I might not care, but if they do, then I'm not going to rob them of the possibility of having a ceremony or whatever they'd like.
If they decide they'd be happy to let you do whatever you have in mind to my dead body, then what do I care?
It's not like I visit the grave sites of m dead relatives - I'd rather think of them in happier terms than as a rotting corpse, so the whole obsession with funerals is really quite distasteful and alien to me.
Re: (Score:2)
I'm dead. Gone. I'm not going to care what happens. As far as I'm concerned, you can truck my body to the local electrical plant & throw it in, to help provide cheap electricity to warm people's homes.
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Way to go to make me feel like a goldfish (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Way to go to make me feel like a goldfish (Score:5, Insightful)
The ceremony's not for the dead. It's for the ones left alive, so they have a sense of closure.
Re: (Score:2)
Like I care. I'm dead. The ones who are left alive have a far better deal than what I've got (non-existence).
Re: (Score:2)
I want a SPECTACULAR EXTRAVAGANZA! (Score:5, Interesting)
First I'll need a medium sized hydrogen filled aerostat. It doesn't actually have to be a dirigible, any old hydrogen filled aerostat will do. If several thousand dollars worth of fireworks could be hung from the outside, that would be lovely.
Next, I'll need about a thousand feet of bungie cord, a suit made of cotton padding or wick like material, and several gallons of gasoline. Put my corpse in the suit. Attach one end of the bungie cord to the dirigible and the other to my corpse. Securely fasten my corpse to the ground with some sort of quick release mechanism.
Douse my corpse in gasoline. Let the dirigible go until the bungie cord is nice and taut. Light my corpse, and activate the quick release.
If all goes well, my flaming corpse will shoot into the sky and collide with the hydrogen filled, fireworks encased dirigible. Hopefully the resulting explosion will vaporize my body so that not too many steaming gibbets fall back on the amazed crowd.
And that, my friends, is what I would like for my funeral.
Re: (Score:2)
Essentially you'll end up in flames while floating away under the dirigible until the bungie burns through. Then you'll fall to earth as a burning pile of goo.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
believe it or not, the irony of it all is that the cerimony and the "holy place" is not for the dead person, but for the ones still living....
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
"Um, yeah we buried Grandma right here at these coordinates.. Right see we don't use headstones and we made sure the ground looks exactly like it did before we buried her here so you might not even be able to tell that we buried anyone here at all! What do you mean you think I just ditched the body in a ditch somewhere and then told you it was buried here? That is preposterous!"
I would be impressed if "eco" burial meant that they ground your loved one up for compost and t
Re: (Score:2)
Well, it's not exactly like you'll notice...
Re: (Score:2)
"gather the bereaved around to say good by"... Flush
cardboard box (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Eco?! (Score:2, Insightful)
Composting... (Score:5, Insightful)
Dead bodies break down nicely and help to increase the fertility of the soil. The point is to help the trees grow.
And I would not be surprised if this is being done in an area a touch short of such organic matter..
Of course, if people really cared they may want to consider that GPS is rarely accurate to 5m, its not uncommon to get an EPE of 15-20m in that arts of the world..
Re: (Score:2)
but honestly, does anyone believe the claim no one will be buried within 5m? when they start running out of room the temptation to make that 5m to 2m will be too great.
Re:Composting... (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, right. Australia is really "running out of room".
Re: (Score:2)
Wow. My GPS must be something real special then. Funny, it only cost me $100. You'd figure such an unusually accurate device would cost a hell of a lot more.
Come to think of it, my friends Car GPS seems to be just as accurate....tracked us right to his exact address....
Re:Composting... (Score:4, Informative)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Of course, if people really cared they may want to consider that GPS is rarely accurate to 5m, its not uncommon to get an EPE of 15-20m in that arts of the world..
I regularly get 4 metre accuracy in Australia. I used my ETREX to mark the locations of my wife's grandparents graves in Malaysia a couple of years ago. But I backed it up with photographs showing the site in context with the surroundings. The pics ensure reasonable accuracy.
I used a GPS on that occasion because it was in a huge overgrown Chinese cemetary and the people who guided us there won't be around forever either. I plan to leave the data with my nephew who will know how to use it in the future.
I live in Lismore... (Score:3, Interesting)
It is because of the rain forests that all the "eco" nuts swarm to the region, leading to the rain forest further shrinking so that more houses can be built. On some of the most fertile soil in the
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2, Interesting)
Really I totally agree with dumping bodies in the woods (ok, burying them deep even to make sure stupid animals don't try to eat our preserved, disease ridden, Prozac and Rita
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
The eco-burial cemetery in Western Australia is Pinnaroo, and if you'd seen how it works, you'd realise it's not particularly complex in practice.
All cemeteries maintain burial records, normally based around plot and grid numbers. In the eco-burial system, GPS coordinates are used instead. Likewise, family who wish to visit graves aren't dumped in the bush with a GPS and ration pack. There are walking trails around the cemetery, and the burial plots are not far off the
Re: (Score:2)
Aw, too bad. Count me out then.
Re:Eco?! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Put a satellite into orbit, plant a few hundred trees. Ecology is about sustainability. It is about preventing the release of non-recyclable materials and depletion of non renewable materials.
Based on this, the eco friendliness of orbital launch depends
Cremation ecoUNfriendy (Score:2, Informative)
rotting carcass (Score:5, Insightful)
people, when you die, YOU WILL BE ROTTING MEAT. no different to that cat/dog you buried when you were 12.
Look at it this way, no matter how much of a useless bastard you were in life, if your buried in the ground with trees around you, you'll finally be put to good use.
Re:rotting carcass (Score:5, Insightful)
Religion has two major things it accomplishes: a creation myth and a death myth. Many, many people cannot grasp the idea that you will be worm food when you die. They instead seek things like Heaven, enlightenment, or Valhalla as a means to cope with what they do not understand.
As long as these people are peaceful, let them have their beliefs, as it does not hinder what happens. And if somebody is 10% more efficent/successful/happier because of it, I see no reason to burst their bubble.
Re:rotting carcass (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
C02 is my aim. Give the trees their breath. It's a greenhouse gas for me.
Yours truely,
Evil bastard, who is is hellbent on taking my revenge on the living. I hate you all...
Re: (Score:2)
the concept of an afterlife in modern religions is purely spiritual, people are well aware their bodies will rot when they die.
good job revealing your bias in your attempt to drag the conversation in a different direction though.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
The two aren't incompatible. A religious person (which I'm not) can believe that their body becomes worm food, while their soul/spirit/coredump goes somewhere nicer. That's probably how eco-burial should be sold (and probably how it already is).
Re:rotting carcass (Score:4, Interesting)
My own preference is to be buried in an unfinished pine box somewhere in my backyard, preferrably under a big tree (for the shade, of course) or a garden of some sort, but California prohibited that kind of thing a hundred years ago. So much for allowing personal beliefs.
Anyone familiar with different funeral traditions knows the subject is complex, and often inseperable from one's upbringing or culture. The Orthodox (the folks who cross themselves east to west), for example, don't believe in cremation, and the church canon expressly prohibits it. IIRC, it was only recently that Greece (a country with mostly rock as soil) allowed cremations to take place, but only for the minority that isn't Orthodox.
For most westerners, I suppose, the subject doesn't evoke strong opinions one way or the other, save for the excesses of those choosing to be buried a '57 Cadillac, or more typically, in silk-lined, stainless steel, hermetically-sealed coffins.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
I doubt many folks garden at depths of six feet. And if they did, the well fertilized flowers/shrubs might make up for the inconvenience.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
How about being stuffed and mounted on a hammock under that big tree? The view would be better!
I'd bequeath my body to science, but I have a feeling they'd bequeath it straight back again (apologies to DNA
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
On a personal note - I have indicated very clearly to my children that I don't want them to spend money on cemetries and memorials. Instead I want to be cremated; then they
Religion has got no right of havign a free-pass (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Huh? How does he make atheists look bad? No "modern," widespread religions believe that the body is anything other than rotting meat. The soul is eternal, not the body.
Christians talk about being really physically resurrected when Jesus comes back in their "resurrection bodies."
I don't believe in heaven (anymore), but even if I did (and even when I did, in my evangelical Christian upbringing), I wouldn't really care about my body after death--my soul would be with Jesus, etc. Just not even a concern
Re: (Score:2)
I'm not sure where you're coming from on this issue, but I think you miss the point of the difference between body & soul.
Heaven AND 'rotting worm food' are not mutually exclusive.
Re: (Score:2)
It conflicts with hell (some body should probably tell bush that) which also depends on rotting.
The dependency on purgatory was recently removed though
It may have some conflicting libraries with atheism, but nobody is quite sure what the libraries do or which libraries it uses, so it s often safe to ignore this conflict.
Ive always planned on being buried upright in a cardboard box, and my mother whos fairly religious has no probl
Re: (Score:2)
However, you'll find in the US that this can sometimes be problematic. Nevertheless, I've discovered in my state (MN) that in most cases you can be buried on private property without the cement vault required.
Re: (Score:2)
Actually since i'm narcoleptic, I'm afraid of being fed to the worms while taking one of my naps.
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
But oddly, nearly all burials here in the US (save for certain religions which require a plain wooden box, etc) most of the time your body is placed in a casket and THEN the casket is placed within a concrete vault in the ground.
Now that's something I don't really get at all. Why the concrete vault? What purpose does it serve? (It proves all those "floating caskets" in the movie Poltergeist are bogus, eh?)
Re: (Score:2)
Jewish cemetaries which accept unsealed burials I suspect are far more regulated. Being there are fewer of them and fewer Jewish burials, this is probably not as big a problem and can be managed. I do not know how it is managed, but it would n
Re: (Score:2)
We are against worshipping graves though. And there is a thin line between saying Salaam to a dead person and worshipping (asking for favors, intercession, etc.) that we should be careful not to cross.
The shrines that you see in the Muslim world are shameful reminder that Shaitan is whispering to everyone.
Body and Soul (Score:2)
Ok... Why? (Score:2)
Light Map of the world [lightpollution.it].
Why this? This shows where population is via light pollution. If we pay attention to Oceania, we see that very little land mass of Australia is used, in opposition to places like the eastern US, most of Europe, and Japan.
Why would a little-used large landmass country like Australia use this, and not the densely packed countries?
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Totally off-topic, but I find it interesting how dark Norway is. I think they have as dense population as Sweden which is much brighter and much denser than Finland, which is bright in the southern part and dark in the north.
Norway has a population density of around 13 people per square kilometer, and of that population, about a quarter is located in a small region in the South East, with most of the rest in a narrow band around the coast. Sweden has twice the population, concentrated heavily in the south but more evenly spread out over a larger region of the south than in Norway (the entire centre of the bulbous part of Southern Norway is mountains).
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Plus cemeteries demand the most space where population density is highest anyway, because (for some reason) people like to visit graves. So even in Australia, where there's tons of empty land, cemete
Fabulous Idea (Score:4, Interesting)
GPS Accuracy (Score:2, Insightful)
How can they guarantee this if civillian GPS is (said to be) only accurate to 15 meters?
Re: (Score:2)
Dead bodies in a koala sanctuary?!? (Score:5, Funny)
Don't the fools realise that this is exactly how ghoualas are created, their furry little faces covered in fresh corpse blood as they howl at the moon in their squeaky ghouala voices, dropping out of eucalyptus trees on grieving mourners to gnaw their ears off, using their big fuzzy ghouala ears to locate fresh bodies by the sound of the worms gnawing and their big cute ghouala noses to track the scent of newly planted meat...
Stop them now, before the ghoualas get us all !!!
Re: (Score:2)
Don't the fools realise that this is exactly how ghoualas are created, their furry little faces covered in fresh corpse blood as they howl at the moon in their squeaky ghouala voices, dropping out of eucalyptus trees on grieving mourners to gnaw their ears off, using their big fuzzy ghouala ears to locate fresh bodies by the sound of the worms gnawing and their big cute ghouala noses to track the scent of newly planted meat...
I think you got it wrong. Ghoulas are created in axotl tanks.
Re: (Score:2)
Mark my words.... (Score:2)
gps accuracy (Score:4, Funny)
I prefer cremation and scattering (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:2)
Why Not Go One Step Further and Include RFID? (Score:2, Interesting)
Why not go a step further and toss an RFID chip in along with the body-- or attach it to the body. Then you could loan the loved ones a GPS and an RFID reader-- make it cool-looking like a Star Trek tricorder (Original Series or Next Gen...??? Hmmm...)
Science (Score:4, Informative)
Why not donate your body to science? [anatomicgift.com]
They seem to have pretty good service - and it's free. If you want to cremate the leftover parts, they will do that, too. You can pick the ashes up for free, or have them sent to you through certified mail for only $15. (Way cheaper than your local crematorium.) Either way, someone gets some use out of your leftover meat. [terrybisson.com]
Geocaching (Score:2)
http://geocaching.com.au/dashboard/au/nsw/ [geocaching.com.au]
Re: (Score:2)
thermal depolymerization (Score:2)
Koalas! (Score:2)
Oh great. Now what's going to happen to the visitors once the koalas learn that they like the taste of dead human flesh?
Re: Zombie Koalas!!! (Score:3, Funny)
Human bodies are not ecological (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
You're neglecting to consider that you're not just paying for the box, and the hole, but the ground the hole itself is in. Basically, you're paying the money to insure that the land isn't used for something else by buying it yourself. That land could be used for all sorts of profitable ventures, such as vegetable farming or the construction of rental properties. You have to offer them enough money to make selling you the land more profitable than any of the alternatives.
Luckily, if you and several thousand
Re: (Score:2)
Also a normal low cost
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)