Birth of a New African Ocean 261
Khemisty writes "Formation of an ocean is a rare event, one no scientist has ever witnessed. Yet this geophysical nativity is unfolding today in one of the hottest and most inhospitable corners of the globe. Africa is splitting apart at the seams. From the southern tip of the Red Sea southward through Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, and Mozambique, the continent is coming unstitched along a zone called the East African Rift." This stretching of the earth's crust has been going on for 20 million years, and within another 10 million the Red Sea will have broken through to create a new sea.
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No, it's global warming's fault.
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You still have it wrong. According to Twitter, it is M$'s fault. *me ducks* ;)
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Absolutely; there's no way something like this couldn't be man made. The planet simply doesn't change on it's own, that's just nonsense.
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blamemoses.
Very true. How could this have been forming over the last 20,000,000 years when the earth is only 6,000 years old?
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McCain/Palin '08!
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I hope you're being sarcastic...The earth is accepted by scientists to be 4.5 billion years old.
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Just as I have the right to tag them as idiots if they believe in Bronze Age myths :P
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You gotta seriously look at what was intended to be understood by Genesis 1 - even before modern theories about the age of the earth there were scholars who wouldn't have interpreted it as being literal days
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It's not in the bible btw, iirc some Pope or Cardinal calculated this in Medieval times from bible studies.
So even if you forget the Evolutionary angle, that number should be still very doubtful. Simply because human record goes back longer. (e.g. to Mesopotamia, and even the holy city of Jericho is older).
But: the East African Rift is also not news. Aside from the fact it has been forming for a few million years, I read the "splitting apart" story as news already in eighties Reader's Digest.
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James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh, published it in 1650, which is post-Medieval.
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The Bible never gives an age for the Earth/Universe. Got to love the disconnected logic that allows a person to make things up at random and yet allows themselves to feel smugly superior to other people they claim are making things up.
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Six days of creation. Then the generations from Adam to Moses, all spelled out. This spells it out [bibleprophecyrevealed.us]. I don't believe it. But it's literally in the bible.
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The pre-adamic theory of creation is that we are descendants of this second humanity, and that previously there were other "people" (which matches fossil records of cro-magnum man, or whate
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But it's accepted by Christians to be like 6000 years old.
And`I agree, it must be at least 6,000 years old.
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But it's accepted by Christians to be like 6000 years old. Seriously. They think that dinosaurs and humans coexisted.
Of course they coexisted. Haven't you ever seen The Flintstones?
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The Flintstones also proved that aliens visited the Earth in the remote past: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gazoo [wikipedia.org].
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Well, no. An Anglican Archbishop calculated that as the age of the Earth back in the 1600's. Back when calculating such things was considered scholarship.
First, most Christians are NOT Anglicans, and could give a rat's hind leg what a 400 year old Anglican Archbishop said about anything.
Second, these days, Anglicans don't believe him either. He's ancient history, and his ideas are considered, by most Christians, to be quaint.
Thirdly, of the few
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Why, this scientific estimate was made almost 400 YEARS AGO!
Bishop Usher, for all his great knowledge, did not have our modern scientific tools for such precise measurements.
Today's scientists now have revised this estimate, and consider the Earth to have been actually created in 7730BC.
And on January 23rd. (And alas, it was a Thursday, we believe - Pope Gregory corrupted the days of the week).
So called "evolutionists" are ALWAYS quoting this "6000 year old" red herring, hoping to discredit our creationist science. But it will not work!
Darwin, Hawkins et al will burn in Hell! (perhaps Darwin is already there, now that Limbo has been abolished - good riddance!)
Please- Try to use this new revised figure - 7730 BC.
You may use "BCC" or "BCE" - we shall tolerate it.
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...alas, it was a Thursday...
I never could get the hang of Thursdays
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you guys believe in 'facts' from a book written by people that thought the world was flat.
Prove that! There is nothing in the bible that states the world was flat.
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Christians believing in 6000yr old earth by a landslide. Though they are also likely to believe in astrology. As for athiests that believe in astrology thats around 12% compared to the 28% average. On the other hand only slightly over half of people believe research into science is benefitial, slightly under half believe evolution should not be taught in schools 70% want creationism taught hell 46% of people don't know how long the earth takes to rotate the sun, 60% of people believe in psychics. Christians
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Christians believing in 6000yr old earth by a landslide.
And how many Christians believe in a 6000 year old Earth? It's a far lower number than the number of Christians.
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Info came from "Science & Engineering Indicators" sudy conducted yearly by the national science foundation AS SAID IN MY POST. Some came from Gallup & People for the AWF (American Way Foundation). Feel free to explore either study i encourage it. I rounded a couple figures by 2% i think the psychic figure was actually 58%.
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Re two posts up. Also if you do your own research finding ANY study on science knowledge that shows which party or religion people subscribe to it will show the same.
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From the article you just linked:
""U.S. Religious Landscape Survey" that was issued in June, 21% of self-proclaimed atheists believe in either a personal God or an impersonal force. Ten percent of atheists pray at least weekly and 12% believe in heaven."
This alone shows that the study is screwed up. From my dictionary "Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods." Yet the study says 21% of atheists believe in God. That study is total bullshit.
Furthermore, Baylor University is a Baptist liberal arts school showing its bias from the start. So speaking in tongues isn't occult neither are magical men in the sky. Really by definition ALL christians believe in ghosts. Ever heard of the holy spirit? Go to their site they had the actually questions they used for the study. It is such a dishonest study its gross. Demons, satan, talking to god, heaven and hell aren't considered to be faults in logic while believing in traditional medicine is. Come on now... Of course atheists are more likely to have ouija boards than staunch christians, it is 'a tool of the devil' they could not have one in their home. And i doubt most people take it seriously they are just toys not magic. They tagged 'having read a book about nostradamus' as belief in the occult. Of course atheists will have a higher number, we READ more.
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From my dictionary "Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods." Yet the study says 21% of atheists believe in God. That study is total bullshit.
I believe the criterion for saying who is an atheist is the same as for saying who is a Christian. You just ask people who they consider themselves to be. If that's so, there can be atheists that believe in God, e.g. if they are misinformed what "atheism" means. There's also some percentage of people who believe in God but are opposed to the churches of Christianity based on their practices and history, and those could also describe themselves as atheists.
Really by definition ALL christians believe in ghosts. Ever heard of the holy spirit?
Holy spirit = the force of God. Ghosts = souls of de
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Yes, and he isn't a "ghost" because he was never human.
That is ad hominem garbage.
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From my dictionary "Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods." Yet the study says 21% of atheists believe in God.
The conclusion I got from this is that 21% of atheists have absolutely no idea what atheism means, but they just call themselves atheists because they think it's cool. I'm pretty sure even on Slashdot I've read self-proclaimed atheists say they're open to the possibility of there being a god, they just don't know of any evidence for said god's existence. Anyway, not having any idea what your religion or lack thereof is really about seems to be a pretty common trait in America these days.
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That's not actually true, because the tests aren't being weighted constantly to make it be true. At the inception of IQ tests, it was true, but only if we don't consider that those of sub-par IQ have a lower life expectancy, and such the actual population is going to average higher.
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Does this mean that I will die at an early age??
Note to self: Watch health carefully!
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Which sun do you mean?
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Allow me to point you towards xkcd's "What's the third word that ends in 'gry'? [imageshack.us]"
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I realise that I can be a little inconsistent sometimes. I should be thoroughly ashamed of myself.
Wish I'd be around to see it (Score:4, Interesting)
Bet there would be one very impressive waterfall when the Red Sea finally breaks through.
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Blasphemer! How dare you reduce the Second Great Flood to a mere "waterfall"!
You know what this means, of course (Score:5, Funny)
That 10 million years from now, the split will be complete. Slashdot will report this, and one /.er will complain, "It's a dupe! This story appeared 10 million years ago! What's up with the cyborg editors?"
What's up with the cyborg editors? (Score:5, Funny)
Still waiting for Linux to win the desktop.
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Over bundled Plan 9 OEM
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I've started moving 50 Gb worth of small files from a Windows box to a Linux box using Samba's default configuration + Windows explorer.
I figure we can use my progress bar as a reasonable approximation.
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Understatement of the century. I think I first learned about the East African Rift in an Oceanography class in 1985. And then again in an anthropology class the following year. How exactly is this newsworthy?
Waiting!? (Score:3, Funny)
Bah. 10002008 is the year of the Linux desktop!
This thread is useless... (Score:5, Insightful)
... without relief maps.
I don't want to read some art's grads long winded verbose description of something that can be shown to me in 2 diagrams.
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as opposed to a long winded terse description?
Someone will blame this on... (Score:2, Insightful)
Mention of this split WILL show up in someone's eco-speech.
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Before long, someone will blame this on GlobalWarming.
Mention of this split WILL show up in someone's eco-speech.
And ideally they will get publicly called out on their idiocy
Here's another article on the Afar region
http://www.nj.com/south/index.ssf/2008/10/post.html [nj.com]
(they cite this article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4512244.stm [bbc.co.uk] )
An 8-meter wide, 60-kilometer long rift (...) developed in the Afar desert region of north-eastern Africa in just 3 weeks. An earthquake on the 14th of September is said to have sparked the growing tear in the African desert, followed up by moderate tremors and then, finally, a volcanic eruption.
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Sarah Palin will go maverick
Well if she does, I hope X and Zero are around to save our asses!
I blame Obama. (Score:2)
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There are bets on williamhill.co.uk on this, but I gotta tell you, GlobalWarming pays 3.0 while a Bush friend offering to rebuild a proper Red Sea pays 1.05.
Check on the 'what's going to happen first' section of political events for current odds.
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Not sure why people warning of global warming are such a popular target for snide comments, even if they do occasionally exaggerate or misunderstand the science involved. After all, the global warming is a reality and to quote a statement endorsed by "all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries" it is "is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (man-made) greenhouse gas concentrations" (http://e
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because straw man attacks in completely unrelated discussions are the only time when the global warming deniers can feign a winning argument--since they can't refute actual scientific evidence that supports global warming (like the currently accepted climate model). but i'm sure these armchair climatologists know much better than IPCC researchers and scientists.
or maybe it's because any kind of social/political/environmental activism is unfashionable in the eyes of mainstream culture. it's much cooler to be
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Ha! Even his name nearly reads like "All Gorge"!
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I thought AlGor was one of those monsters that attacked Tokyo but was defeated by Godzilla in a giant flying battleship?
Africa Become Flooded? (Score:5, Funny)
Well there goes property values...
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Well there goes property values...
I was going to reply about how suddenly turning the land into beachfront property would probably make the property values go up, but then I started thinking about how this would be just in time for Africa's coast to be the setting for Duke Nukem Forever.
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doesn't seem that uncommon (Score:5, Informative)
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Finally I am going to have beachfront property! (I live in Tucson, AZ BTW).
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There's another ocean forming in the Gulf of California.
There's also Lake Baikal in Siberia, the deepest fresh water body on Earth, also in the process of becoming an ocean.
Conversely, the Black, Caspian and Mediterranean Seas are all remnants of the ancient Tethys Ocean.
The Earth's crust is a fascinating, incredibly dynamic thing.
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Stop feeding! (Score:3, Funny)
Do you really need to give the trolls encouragement to post yet another Goatse link?
Plate tectonics? (Score:3, Informative)
Haha, this is news to Slashdot?
The African Rift Valley has been taught to first year geology students since plate tectonics were discovered decades ago.
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I know, right? I realize some /.ers live under rocks, but seriously, I think I first learned about this in 6th or 7th grade science and had already been hearing about it on National Geographic specials and various PBS science shows for years before that. To see this story posted here as news made me, at first, think that something major had happened and the Great Rift Valley was finally filling with water.
It's interesting information and all, but not exactly news. :-/
No one? (Score:5, Funny)
"Formation of an ocean is a rare event, one no scientist has ever witnessed. Yet this geophysical nativity is unfolding today in one of the hottest and most inhospitable corners of the globe. Africa is splitting apart at the seams. From the southern tip of the Red Sea southward through Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, and Mozambique, the continent is coming unstitched along a zone called the East African Rift." This stretching of the earth's crust has been going on for 20 million years, and within another 10 million the Red Sea will have broken through to create a new sea.
So actually *every scientist* has witnessed this event...
KeS
YEAH! (Score:2)
This stretching of the earth's crust has been going on for 20 million years, and within another 10 million the Red Sea will have broken through to create a new sea.
I hope they post this shit to youtube; that's gonna be really cool. Pressing reload already.
Some Google Maps highlights (Score:5, Informative)
It's in this part of eastern Africa [google.com], adjacent to the junction of the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden in Ethiopia and Eritrea, and is known as the Afar Depression [wikipedia.org]. All this black stuff is Erte Ale [google.com], a volcano [wikipedia.org] that is almost continuously erupting. You can see the fresh black lava flows that historically oozed down the sides, and if you zoom in, you can see the red glow of the lava lake [google.com]. The salt pan areas [google.com] mentioned in the article are to the north (Danakil Depression), and are well below sea level (the Wikipedia page on the former settlement of Dallol [wikipedia.org] notes that Dallol is 50m above sea level, but that's the settlement site, not the lake/salt pan, which is lower). There are vast areas of stretched and faulted crust [google.com] to the southeast (the cliffs are the fault scarps), and Lake Assal [google.com], another salt lake 153 metres below sea level [wikipedia.org].
This area is more impressive if you fly over it in Google Earth rather than Google Maps. Practically every cone-shaped peak you see in this area is a volcano that has been recently or not so recently active, and to the south you can clearly see the flanks of the East African Rift and the series of lakes [google.com] that occupy the rift valley as far south as Kenya [google.com], Tanzania and Mozambique, interspersed with volcanoes [google.com] all along the way. This is an awesome part of the world for geology.
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And if you zoom out, and know it's there, you can actually see the rift. Or maybe I'm just imagining it all, and need todays first cup of coffee.
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Nah; you're not imagining it. If you use google maps' "Terrain" button, and zoom out so you can see all of eastern Africa, the Rift Zone is fairly obvious. Any decent topographic map should show it fairly clearly. Most of Africa is fairly old terrain, with the mountain ranges worn down. But the Rift Zone is new volcanic terrain, and is really irregular and jumbled.
It's interesting to contemplate that this is where most of the early human fossils have been found. It's the main territory where our specie
afar rift home page (Score:5, Informative)
For more information, you can try the Afar Rift Home Page [leeds.ac.uk] for the Afar Rift Project.
Oh OK so this is where we can find the..... (Score:2)
... melting ice cap water.
and even more important we find out that pulling in water from the salty oceans across alot of land makes teh water much more drinkable.
Hideous fun thought (Score:2)
The frustrated weaponeer in me thinks "Hey! That's how we deal with ocean levels rising! Find some basins and nuke holes between them and oceans!"
Heh.
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Afar (Score:3, Funny)
So that's what they mean when they say "travellers from Afar". I always suspected that was somewhere in Africa.
POS (Point Of Split) (Score:2)
This will only make sense to a handful of people, but it's actually the fault of plug-ins, followed closely by George Bush, hardware, Freddie Mac, Gary Roberts, licensing, and "Other."
In 10 million Years I'd Be A Fossil.... (Score:2)
FGS! What a dumb story. Light relief at best.
Of course the continents will change in the next 10 million years! Unless Armageddon comes first.
TIP: If you have any seaside property, SELL NOW!!!
How is this news? (Score:2)
Think in four dimensions (Score:2)
It starts small. It WILL be an ocean. AFTER it goes through the sea stage. Right now it's still just a "rift".
When thinking about geologic processes, it's very important to consider the time dimension.
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It starts small. It WILL be an ocean. AFTER it goes through the sea stage. Right now it's still just a "rift".
Better get that epic gear for your hunter then. Pet classes will rule.
Oh, wait...
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And that's why it won't be better there... (Score:2)
...for a long time.
If pointung out some problems with parent post gets labelled as "troll"...I'm not sure if saying that people wear blinkers on their eyes regarding the issues is enough, seems like they want it to stay that way.
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The sun came up this morning? Damn it. Mother never tells me anything.
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How would having a sea in the rift effect weather? More rain possibly?