First Official Photos From New Star Trek Movie 410
Philias Fog writes "The most secret project in Hollywood is finally lifting its skirt. Today Paramount released a number of images for their new Star Trek movie directed by JJ Abrams. Shots include images of the bridge of the Enterprise, the villain Nero, a ship (not the Enterprise) and all of the crew in uniform. TrekMovie.com has a complete set of photos and links to all the new shots."
Spock (Score:5, Funny)
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Nothing good acting can't fix. (Score:5, Insightful)
I had no idea that I would end up loving Leonardo DiCaprio as much as I do now when I saw him in Titanic. But after seeing movies like Catch Me if You Can and The Aviator, you'll understand how simply being a good actor can negate these kinds of labels.
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My wife and I struggle with that all the damned time. I keep wanting to see him as a pretty boy whiner kid, but like you said, he keeps doing things like that. I eventually forgot that it was him in Blood Diamond. He's a good actor, as much as I hate to admit it.
Re:Nothing good acting can't fix. (Score:5, Insightful)
Having watched a few episodes of Heroes this season, I'd say Quinto is a better actor than the character of Sylar called for until this season. I'm prepared to lay all the shitty lines he's had on the writers at this point, and not his two-dimensional acting. In two episodes, thanks to the joy of time travel, you see him as the classic psychotic villain, someone who's looking at his life and wondering if perhaps there's a better way, and a father who's desperately fighting his demons to give his kid the life he never had. And they were convincing, to me anyway.
I think he'll play a Vulcan a million times better than what's-her-name from Enterprise, and give a respectable portrayal of Spock. His biggest problem is going to be acting in the shadow of Leonard Nimoy.
Most secret (Score:2, Troll)
Indeed, I didn't even know they were still trying to make a buck from this franchise. :D
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This [penny-arcade.com] says it better than I can.
Looking at the pictures.. (Score:3, Insightful)
leaves me wondering why they put a kid in charge of a space ship...
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It's obvious. Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young, Doctor!
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leaves me wondering why they put a kid in charge of a space ship...
Because they demand a less salary??
Re:Looking at the pictures.. (Score:5, Insightful)
I would think CleverNickName would be the best person to answer that one.
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I would think CleverNickName would be the best person to answer that one.
Unlikely, looks like he hasn't commented on Slashdot since January.
In other news, a giant wooshing sound caught thousands of noobs by surprise today.
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He might be 28 but it he looks 16, likely because the producers has decided he should look younger than he is. Shatner has always looked 40-something no matter what his real age was.
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Shatner has always looked 40-something no matter what his real age was.
Oh really [wikipedia.org]?
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Buzz Aldrin's 78
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Is it just me... (Score:3, Interesting)
Why don't you people get a life! (Score:3, Funny)
Correction: ..... .....
Why don't.... you... people....
Get a life!
It's the economy, the economy -- stupid! (Score:2)
Those uniforms (Score:4, Interesting)
ST:NG had good uniforms. All the uniforms looks like joggin suits on those shots. No style, no correct tags and rankings etc.
Check out the Star-Trek Next Generation season 5-6 uniforms what example a Jean-Luc Picard had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard [wikipedia.org]
Re:Those uniforms (Score:4, Informative)
A better image of ST:NG uniforms
http://www.kabeleins.de/imperia/md/images/serien_shows/serien/_galerien/s/star_trek_tng/01_star_trek_the_next_generation_500_375_Paromount_Pictures.jpg [kabeleins.de]
Pike/Spock Retcon (Score:3, Interesting)
Plot synopsis (Score:4, Insightful)
MI:III I'm betting was just a rehash of an unused ALIAS script.
Not that he does bad work, it's just a little repetitive after a while.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_medias_res [wikipedia.org]
Hope this movie is very well done and that the acting.... for... Kirk.... is... Overacted... IN... The
Why!?! (Score:4, Interesting)
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Be glad that Lucas and Spielberg's hands were nowhere near this film. It's either this or seeing a CG render of McCoy.
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Re:Why!?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Every Star Trek iteration has been an entirely new crew, ship, and usually mission statement. The only way to not just be "more of the same" is to revisit existing characters.
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this film (Score:2)
is either gonna be a spectacular failure or spectacular success
now after watching cloverfield and lost i think the chances of this being a success are diminishing
I hate Hollywood. (Score:2, Insightful)
Speed Racer: check
Battlestar Galactica: check
Star Trek: check
Buck Rogers: pending
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They did that in the 70's. The classic Buster Crabbe cinema serial dates back to the 30's, and the character dates to the late 20's.
Hollywood has been raping childhood memories for a lot longer than you might think.
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Well, whatever they do, a Captain Future movie would be met with disapproval in Germany. We're used to having a version of Captain Future with our own special sound track (that, in my opinion, is vastly superior to the original one). In no way would we agree to a Captain Future movie with background music that doesn't sound like Feinde greifen an or Hurra, wir fliegen, not
Re:I hate Hollywood. (Score:5, Funny)
they aren't raping anything, they're re-imagining.
Your Honour, the defendant didn't rape the victim. He simply re-imaginined her vagina with his penis in it.
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Star Trek New Voyages (Score:2, Interesting)
Flogging a dead, buried, exhumed, reanimated horse (Score:2, Interesting)
The ship looks way too modern to be anything like something which is actually meant to be *older* technology than what we saw in the 60s. The casting is also terrible; the actors don't look anything like the originals at all.
Star Trek is dead. It died with First Contact. People need to accept that and move on, as do the profiteers responsible for this turkey.
Hmmm (Score:4, Insightful)
Simon Pegg as Scotty (Score:3, Informative)
It's a good thing we have Shaun on board to keep this re-animated corpse under control.
(Actually, I think it's really cool that he's involved. Might even make it worth watching.)
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Arrgghh (Score:3, Funny)
Does anyone else think the bridge photo looks like a bad SNL sketch of Star Trek? Why does Uhuru look like she is about to check and see if our table is ready?
I must be getting old. (Score:3, Funny)
I must be getting old but it looks like a high school production of TOS to me.
Question (Score:4, Funny)
I lost track, is this an even or odd Star Trek movie?
Ohhh YEAH . . . (Score:3, Funny)
I am *so* looking forward to this - a young Kirk shows his stuff before he becomes the legend he was in later life in a never before referenced adventure that completely ignores all prior continuity, but the entire crew of the Enterprise happens to be there for.
I especially waiting on the next one, "Star Fleet Babies" where the entire crew of the Enterprise, being kept by odd coincidence in a babysitting clinic run by Amanda Rogers in Iowa, save the young federation from a very young Trelane of Gothos and the baby borg he teleports in after baby Spock beats him at chess.
Pug
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How on earth can the entire command staff of the Enterprise be that young? They don't require people to have serious experience (time in the field) before they can get to positions of that much responsibility?
An adolescent captain just looks wrong...
At least they got that right in (most) of the other Treks.
Other than that, nice pics; love the angry Spock one
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It looks like High School Space Capades. These kids are way too young and they all look way too much the same. AND William Shatner IS Captain Kirk. There is no way you can cast anybody as Kirk but Shatner. Why even go there? If they want to appeal to new younger croud, then just call it Star Trek: ABC or something. They don't know Kirk anyway. I don't think any trekkies will be happy with that.
I seriously had to check if it was April 1.
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Talking of April...
Wasn't Robert April captain of the Enterprise before Kirk?
Hell, Robert April came before Pike...
Or is this another Hollywood example of Continuity Be Damned...
I suspect a lot of people are going to non-cannon this.
It's like Kirk and Spock: The Frat Years
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IIRC, Robert April was captain of the Enterprise during its final testing and shakedown, which was largely confined to local space (solar system). Christopher Pike was captian during the initial missions after the Enterprise was placed into active service, and was generally referred to as her first captain. Kirk was her second, more famous, captain.
Hollywood shoulda called me - I've known this stuff for 40 years....
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More like the Tiny Toon Adventures. And the Klingons are the Dizzy Devil, the Ferengi are Montana Max and the new enemy is ... of course... Elmyra.
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WNMHGB
Gesundheit.
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That stardate makes no sense.
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Star date Nine zero
Two
One zero.
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It's just a movie after all. I hear 50 Cent is still into acting, maybe we can remake Schindler's List since Indian Jones already got the new Speilburg treatment.
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Actually, this is what is known as a "movie", bpjk. So I guess the more pertinent question is "are they all capable actors?" Anything is possible in a movie...
See, people throw this bullshit argument out all the time, but it's not some universal excuse that makes everything OK. Cultivating suspension of disbelief is not a trivial task. When writing a decent script taking place in any sort of fantasy world, a careful balance must be struck between the made-up shit and the realistic. What makes such TV and movies good is a solid, believable character interaction, and an internally consistent plot. It may take place in a fictional world, but if it has humans in it,
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John Paul Jones commanded his first fighting ship at 29.
Cochrane took a 32 gun frigate with a 16 gun sloop at the age of 26.
Steven Decatur fought the Barbary Pirates in a sloop at 24.
Edward Pellew was made post at 23. His brother Israel was made a commander at 32.
I could go through most of the list of captains at Trafalgar and do the same thing.
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Adolescent?! The guy's 28 years old. Check IMDB, at 28, he's the youngest member of the cast which averages in the mid-30s.
You've been watching too much 90210, and may have actually come to believe that good looking mid-to-late 20s actors are teens. ;-)
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The problem is that they put him (and the 90210 people) in a lot of makeup so that they don't look like 28 year olds. They don't look like real people at all. Why is it that in movies made after the 1980s people main characters can't look real? Even when the main character is supposed to be some sort of grungy curmudgeon, say Jack Black playing a pseudo-bum, he's caked in makeup so that he's a bum with the skin of an adolescent.
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Look at some pictures of famous people in their late-20s and early-30s from two hundred years ago. They look like they're in their forties or fifties, compared to our standards for today. It's not a stretch to imagine that, in the 23rd century, a 30 year old will resemble (to our eyes) a young adult (16 to 22).
Ref: Look at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Declaration_independence.jpg [wikimedia.org]. Notice how old Thomas Jefferson (tall figure in middle) looks. This painting is based on what he looked li
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The reason that makeup is so heavy is that, when you're looking at a 3-story tall closeup in a theater, "average skin" looks like the surface of the moon, and it can be very distracting.
Ah, I see you made the same mistake I did and saw "The Matrix" -- and specifically Lawrence Fishburn's face -- at an IMAX theater. [shudder]
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Not to be the trek fanboy I used to be, but Kirk was the youngest captain in starfleet history. I'm assuming this is before he was legendary, and I'm sure they're going to be making the movies about how he /became/ legendary. Anyway, carry on.
PS - The Klingons didn't have a word for surrender...until they met Kirk
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PS - The Klingons didn't have a word for surrender...until they met Kirk
This sounds awfully like:
The Klingons didn't have a word for surrender...until they met Chuck Norris [chucknorrisfacts.com] *gaah*
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Too young, huh? Here goes. I'm an ex submariner. As near to a futuristic, fully-operational spaceship as we're likely to see in our lifetime is a naval submarine.
The CO (That's "Commanding Officer") of our boat was a late thirty to a forty-something. An early forty-something. The remaining officers were (junior) sub thirties - One as young as 25. Ranking officers in US submarines tend to be younger than their surface fleet counterparts. Submariners are also a heck of a lot smarter. As a matter of fact, submarines are not run quite like surface fleet ships. Knowledge tends to drive submariners - not rank, so much. I've told junior to mid-ranking officers to go eff themselves after they've issued me a command to do something that they didn't realize would have disastrous consequences. When they complained, the senior officers told them to shut it, lest the rest of the crew loose more respect for that officer because of their lack of knowledge.
Here's another little thing: My first CO and XO (Late 30s to early 40 (sub-43)) were the most charismatic leaders I've ever worked under. I would have followed them to the bottom of the sea. My next CO/XO combo (early 50s/late 40s) were, IMHO, more concerned with book-keeping. It was a very unhappy three years for the entire crew under the command of those asshats. Several ranking CPOs lost the ability to advance because of bad fit-reps these two shitheads issued - our COB committed suicide on board our boat for Christ's sake. The 'official' report said the command had nothing to do with it. Sure, right. I don't believe anyone believed it. The next CO I didn't stick around long enough to get to know.
So, as for being too young? Not buying it. There are many ranking officers that are much younger than their ranking CPOs (high ranking enlisted) on board. Subsequently, junior officers are much younger than the Chief's on-board.
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Just a quick search with google, and the youngest US Navy Captain I can find was 27, while the Royal Navy's youngest was 29.
Presumably Starfleet is an extension of current navies, so late twenties is not so strange. And IIRC, Kirk was supposed to be some kind of prodigy.
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That's what happens when you let a woman drive.
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You'd be suprised how little time it takes for the air to escape from a relatively small container such as the Enterprise into a practically infinite vacuum through a hole a few inch in diameter.
What bothers me more is the smoke in the left side of the picture. Anyone here knows how smoke 'should' behave in space?
Actually a very long time - 11.3 days (Score:5, Informative)
You'd be suprised how little time it takes for the air to escape from a relatively small container such as the Enterprise into a practically infinite vacuum through a hole a few inch in diameter.
What bothers me more is the smoke in the left side of the picture. Anyone here knows how smoke 'should' behave in space?
Let's be generous and say a 10 cm hole - that's just under four inches.
Well, I don't know the math, but I've worked around compressed air systems a little, and I found a little chart for gas flow through pipes of varying diameters and lengths. Air at atmospheric pressure is at 14.5 pounds per square inch - not very high pressure. This is not very high, so it's not like punching a hole in a compressed air tank.
If we guess that the hull is 3 cm thick, and the hole is 10 cm in diameter (the hole is effectively a pipe), according to the ancient looking chart I found, the flow rate is 748 liters per second. (This is assuming I'm interpreting this correctly).
I can't be bothered to do too much googling for this, but a Constitution class starship is 305 meters long. Let's just guess that it's 120 meters wide and an average of 20 meters thick. I know rabid trekkies will correct all this, but it's not important to be all that accurate. 305 x 120 x 20 = 732,000 cubic meters. That's 732 million liters, for those still reading. 732 million liters divided by 748 liters per second is 978,609 seconds to empty the ship to vacuum.
That's 11.3 days to empty the ship through a 10 cm diameter hole. All based on guesses and an old chart from an engineering handbook, but it's better than just saying "little time".
Of course, I could be wrong.
It might take longer; especially when you consider that as the ship empties, the internal pressure drops - when half the air is gone, the atmospheric pressure inside is only 7.25 psi, so the flow rate is also reduced in half - so it might take a month or more to completely equalize the internal and external pressures (external being close to zero).
Re:Actually a very long time - 11.3 days (Score:4, Interesting)
I know rabid trekkies will correct all this
I wasn't going to, but now I can't resist.
a Constitution class starship is 305 meters long
Well, after the refit, the Enterprise became 305 meters long. However, the refit happened after the 5-year mission, so this Enterprise is 289 meters long.
Let's just guess that it's 120 meters wide
That's probably overestimating quite a bit. Sounds about right for the saucer section, but the engineering section isn't anywhere near as wide.
and an average of 20 meters thick
Well, the ship has 24 decks, but it's not a cube. Actually, that's really the biggest problem with your estimate there. You'd arrive at a much closer volume if you divided the ship up between saucer, nacelles, and engineering hulls. Then sum them up.
but it's not important to be all that accurate
Blasphemy! I have to head to work right now, but I somebody else should take my recommendation and get on that.
The rest of your calculations seem pretty good, though :)
13 psi you start to get wobbly (Score:5, Informative)
At what point does the atmospheric pressure become dangerous to people inside the ship?
At 5.8 psi you become unconscious, but even at 90% of normal atmospheric pressure (13 psi) most people would be strongly affected by the reduced oxygen saturation.
You can imagine that the internal structure of the ship would slow the flow the further away from the breach you are, so pressure would be lowest in the breached compartment, and higher as you move away from it. Seems like automatic airtight doors are a staple of Star Trek, so chances are only that one compartment or an area of the ship would be affected anyway.
Plenty of time to get to an escape pod, transport out, or put on a space suit, anyway.
Unless you're standing next to the hole and get stuck to it. In which case you'd seal it nicely, saving the air and getting a nasty bruise.
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A constitution class ship has neither an infinitely thin skin, nor is it 100% hollow, nor is it a perfect box. Your air volume calculation needs work.
More or less what I said in my post. So what's your estimate, captain pedant?
I guessed that the skin was 3 cm thick at the hull breach, but on TV it looks like several separate layers. I also remember what one of the "experts" said about the aircraft that hit the World Trade Center; that the aircraft had similar density to an empty soda can. Since aircraft and TV spacecraft seem to be somewhat similar in construction, I made an engineering decision to throw out the volume occupied by the material the ship itself is constructed from and it's contents.
Heck, I made the ship a rectangular box. It doesn't look like one, but I remember from a course I took on designing gating systems for metal castings (fluid systems to feed odd-shaped empty cavities) that simplifying the shape you're trying to feed (to or from, it doesn't matter) makes the calculations a lot simpler. A more accurate volume guess would be a set of cylindrical sections (the saucer is a very short, wide cylinder for example).
But, who has the time.
Even if I did that, people like you'd probably want me to factor in the effect of bedsheets and seat cushions, and liquid water that would flash to steam from the sinks and toilets.
In short, you can't ever make a rabid fan happy, so why even try?
That was a rhetorical question, by the way.
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if large clouds of gas (nebulae) can float around in space, then why can't smaller pockets of gas? and a photo captures a split-second view of an event, so even if the oxygen escaped very quickly, it could still combust before it becomes too dispersed.
and since smoke is just a cloud of very fine particulates (solid, liquid, and gases) it would probably behave the same way as comet comas & tails, which are composed of similar physical particles. if there was a significant amount of smoke, it would surely
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As for (emission) nebulae,
Isn't that why they chose Trek? (Score:5, Interesting)
To get the fans who MUST watch everything under that name ... because they fell in love with something in a previous series / movie / cartoon / book?
So why complain when those same fans complain that X doesn't match the way it was depicted in Y?
If the movie is good enough on its own, then the complaints will be minor nit-picks.
Re:Wait... is this an even or odd number Trek? (Score:5, Informative)
Bah.
There are rules. Well, mostly. The rules for rec.arts.startrek.* from way back when seem to apply just as well today: if you saw it on the screen, large or small, it's 'canon' -- officially part of the Trek Universe.
Any discrepancies in on-screen material are just blown off as a YATIs -- Yet Another Trek Inconsistency. It's not like a movie and television project that has spanned almost 40 years, 5 television series, about a dozen movies and has had literally hundreds of writers can possibly keep everything consistent. Get over it.
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The problem I have (with any series) is when the writers get lazy. Many times I thought this of TNG when almost every problem could be solved by more power, creating some new exotic particle beam and Data remarking "it is possible, in theory". Phoning it in gets old fast.
I thought the original series was more character-oriented in its drama, but then there were only 80 episodes compared to the 178 of
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I have the solution to the problem of writers "phoning it in".
We'll need to remodulate the tachyon emitters to emit a neoepinphrine pulse.
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Theoretically, that should work.
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Well this pretty much tossed cannon out the window. As well any form of realism. A bunch of friends at the academy then they all get split up for about a decade as they advance in ranks on their own missions. Then they all happen to go back to the same ship.
I find it kinda hard to swallow that Sulu took an additional 25 years to rank captain. Being that he was in the same inner circle, as Captain Kirk and friends.
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Considering Sulu was running around with Kumar getting stoned on the weekends and escaping from Guantanamo, it's no wonder it took him so long.
Re:Wait... is this an even or odd number Trek? (Score:5, Funny)
That's dangerous, artillery is quite heavy.
Re:Wait... is this an even or odd number Trek? (Score:5, Funny)
I find it kinda hard to swallow that Sulu took an additional 25 years to rank captain.
But haven't the fans complained for years about the prejudice against gays in Trek?
Or did I misunderstand that?
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When you capitalize on the Trek name, you get a significant guaranteed built-in audience who will definitely buy tickets. That's the upside. But you also invite comparison to previous incarnations and risk complaints from fans who have certain expectations based on those earlier movies/series. That's the downside.
If you don't want to be subject to the criticism of Star Trek fans, that's easy enough to fix. Don't call it Star Trek or set it in the Star Trek universe.
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> Lately, both odd and eve numered movies have sucked
You think? I actually rather enjoyed First Contact and Nemesis. Generations was meh, though, and Insurrection was a cornucopia of fail.
From where I set the quality oscillator is still operating within tolerances. =)
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> No one's making the next Alien,
Wasn't there one a year or two ago? The Aliens were in a ship run by the Predators, which crashed in Colorado?
> the next Blade Runner,
That would be the next movie based on something by Philip K. Dick (hopefully with actors, rather than tracings of them, this time).
> the next Firefly.
Go rent or buy a copy of Serenity. Better, buy 50-100 million copies, and pretty much guarantee that there will be another movie, even if River and Jayne have to make only cameos.
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> So it ended up going to Cho even though Abrams was
> a little unsure of casting a Korean as a Japanese officer.
Sort of like being unsure of casting an Irishman as a Scottish engineer.