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Watchmen Watched 489

In a blatant attempt to make my movie-going a valid business expense, I'm putting together some notes on Watchmen, and providing a place for you all to discuss it. The first thing I want to say is that I had high hopes: If you ask any serious comic book nerd what the most important book is, they will probably give you one of two answers, and "Watchmen" is the right one. So really Snyder, the director of 300, could only do wrong. Fortunately for me, he was very true to the book: just like 300, many sequences are shot-for-shot from the comics. Some stuff didn't make it, and the new ending has a different meaning to me (one that really isn't as satisfying, but is certainly cleaner). But what I can't say is if it was a good movie or not. I sorta wish I could get an impartial opinion of someone who isn't a nutty fan of the book to tell me how it stands as a movie. I imagine a bit slow, wordy and maybe a bit confusing in parts. I'll leave full reviews to others, but I enjoyed the picture and suspect you will too.
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  • First post (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:15PM (#27095097)


    wait fuck, nevermind...

    • Dumbledore and Trinity DIE!!!!!!!
  • Send me! (Score:4, Funny)

    by the4thdimension ( 1151939 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:16PM (#27095113) Homepage
    Never read the comics or books, Send me to see it on the /. dime and I will give you an opinion on how it was just as a movie. =P
    • Same here..I'd never heard of Watchmen before the movie ads started showing.

      Something about killing superheroes?

      • Re:Send me! (Score:5, Informative)

        by Poltras ( 680608 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @05:40PM (#27097945) Homepage

        Something about killing superheroes?

        Something about how real masked vigilante would be, the fetichist, oversized-ego, psycho-past, nostalgic underwear-over-pants kind, and the problems they would have if they really existed. Add to that an intrigue and a very good naration, and you have one of the most incredible novel ever written.

        Oh and it's 11$ on amazon [amazon.com] (the whole 12 chapter in one tome) in paperback. Make yourself the pleasure of increasing your culture ;)

        • Re:Send me! (Score:5, Funny)

          by Kiaser Zohsay ( 20134 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @06:10PM (#27098489)

          Make yourself the pleasure of increasing your culture ;)

          You have no change to survive make your time.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Then let me spoil it for you: The comic book was amazing. Great artwork and mood, plenty of little bits of foreshadowing and symbolism, great "fleshing out" of the characters with plenty of introspection and investigation of the human condition, all fleshed out through the interesting "intermissions" between chapters. All in all very good except -

      The hamhandedly written plan of Ozymandias. That plot kludge was worse than that time Anakin skywalker killed Amidala because he wanted to save her. LOL WUT?
      • by RicoX9 ( 558353 )

        I read it last year. I got it. I did not find it awe-inspiring or even particularly well written. It's a decent story, but not more so than many others I have read. Certainly not good enough to make a Top 100 books of all time list like it says on the cover.

        I look forward to the movie though. I don't think a movie adaptation can hurt this one.

      • Re:Send me! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by ral8158 ( 947954 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @06:25PM (#27098729)

        The entire book is built off of the brain monster: it is a reference to Starro, the alien starfish that is the first villain the Justice League fights together, and symbolically it represents how Ozymandias's plan is to force the world to band together.
        It's also the final and most important element of novel, which is the deconstruction of the superhero genre. The octopus punctuates that deconstruction and really says something clear about super heroes: The monster-of-the-week has appeared, and this time there is no last minute batman plan or newly developed superman power that can stop it. All of the heroes are gone. None of the heroes ever were heroes. Not to mention that Ozymandias, the real villain, has shown himself to be as much a part of the game as the others despite his claims to the contrary. His ends-justify-the-means attitude is just as arrogant as the other Watchmen's.

        Understanding the octupus is really, really, important in terms of the book's literary value.

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          Understanding the octupus is really, really, important in terms of the book's literary value.

          Can you read that line out loud with a straight face?

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by shilly ( 142940 )

            Proust wrote about cake. Joyce wrote about the pleasures of a good turd. Kafka wrote about a giant spider. There's no received wisdom about "acceptably literary topics".

  • by default luser ( 529332 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:17PM (#27095141) Journal

    You want replies from people who aren't huge fans, but you posted this before most people get off work today. Only a true fan would skip work/school to watch a movie.

    I've not read the book (I just finished chapter 1), and I'm seeing it tonight at 9:30; if you still want the viewpoint of a non-obsessed fan, check back tomorrow for my reply to this post.

    • CmdrTaco doesn't work you insensitive clod.

    • by drewvr6 ( 1400341 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:43PM (#27095663)
      Can I get this from torrent already? I'm not cheap. I just like to tie a couple slashdot topics together when I can.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Well, I must admit that I'm cheap though. Not that I can't spare the few dimes to see this in the theater, but I'd rather download this one and see it in the comfort of my own home.

        No insanely marked up drinks and popcorn, no talking chicks behind you. No, just you and the movie. And you can go pee if you want to. Just hit 'pause' on VLC.

        Yeah, I'm cheap. Or, rather, I don't like to fill the coffers of the local theaters for a sub-par performance (crap focus and crap sound) compared to the flawless exp
        • "no talking chicks behind you."

          You are aware that this is a movie based on a comic book, right?
        • Not that I can't spare the few dimes to see this in the theater, but I'd rather download this one and see it in the comfort of my own home.

          Preposterous! The only way to truly appreciate Dr. Manhattans' giant blue penis is to see it on a big screen.

    • by orclevegam ( 940336 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:48PM (#27095779) Journal
      I went to see the midnight release in IMax and thought it was amazing. I was worried about the changed ending, but after seeing it, it works very well. The cinematography and choice of music was spot on and even though a lot of people bitched about the slow-mo fighting I thought it looked cool. Had one person with us who hadn't read the books and she thought the movie was "good" and she enjoyed it. I wouldn't call myself a huge fan by any stretch (the first time I read the comic was only a few months ago), but I did enjoy the comic and I think they did a good job on the movie. Oh, and yes I did go to work today, I'm just a bit tired now is all.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Chruisan ( 1040302 )
        Ditto on the Midnight show. It looked really cool in the trailers. I have never read the comic. I was a little lost, and some of it seemed pretty drawn out. Visually awesome/beautiful. Good story, but don't go into it thinking black and white/good and bad. More like a distopian society that doesn't care about right and wrong anymore. Some very dark themes in the story.

        I'm going to have to read the comic, sorry graphic novel, now.
  • by Max Romantschuk ( 132276 ) <max@romantschuk.fi> on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:18PM (#27095153) Homepage

    Where's the link to TFA?

  • by mckwant ( 65143 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:19PM (#27095187)

    Graphic novel dilettante here, just curious. Sandman?

    • I would think so.

    • Judging by the summary it might be 300 - not that I was aware that was ever a comic.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        It was a graphic novel, but that's not the "other answer" he was referring to. The only reason 300 was mentioned was because Snyder directed it. It was an important graphic novel, but not even in the same league as Watchmen. Yes, the other possibility is Sandman.

        300 was more in the league of "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" or "Sin City". Which is to say important, but not seminal.
    • Graphic novel dilettante here, just curious. Sandman?

      Sandman makes sense, but it's a series in ten volumes. Watchmen is a one-off. Personally I'd guess you'd get three answers if you asked around the nerd population: Watchmen, V for Vendetta, and The Dark Knight Returns.

  • I just saw the BBC review on their NEWS TV channel (review available at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/review/7926222.stm [bbc.co.uk]), one word springs to mind: turkey
    • by Spad ( 470073 )

      Newsnight Review think everything that anyone has heard of is a turkey though; they only like films that are very obscure and hugely pretentious - if they can find one that's not in English then it's a bonus.

    • After seeing this movie, anyone who thinks it's a turkey is either a moron or saw a different movie than I did, and if the lines I saw are anything to go by I'm not the only one who feels this way.
  • Notwatchmen (Score:5, Funny)

    by tedgyz ( 515156 ) * on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:20PM (#27095201) Homepage

    I have not read the book, nor seen the movie. It was great! How's that for an untainted opinion?

  • I'm putting together some notes on Watchmen, and providing a place for you all to discuss it.

    Where is this place you speak of? I don't see a link or anything...
    Oh, wait...

  • Alan Moore's Judge Dredd was a major part of my staple fiction diet during my youth. Those stories were dark, amusing, insightful, prophetic, and downright nasty and callous in places.

    All in all excellent stuff, with some stories that still make me dig out my collection.
    Yup, still got every one up in my loft, as bought from the newsagent each week as they came out.

    Never read Watchment though, to be honest I hadn't heard of it till this movie. My main fascination is SF pulp from the fifties and sixties thoug

    • john Wagner's Judge Dredd

      Fixed that for you.

      How does it compare to Judge Dredd?

      Very well. For all the love I have for JD, he's an interesting character (and concept) poorly served by a large number of rote and repetitive plots as well as being almost completely misunderstood by the fanbase.
  • Blue penis (Score:5, Funny)

    by damburger ( 981828 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:46PM (#27095717)
    15 minutes of oblique tit vs. 45 minutes of full frontal blue dong. Feminism is out of control.
  • by Cathoderoytube ( 1088737 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:46PM (#27095729)
    They ditched the giant squid in the end and blamed everything on Dr. Manhattan instead. The people who made the movie claimed that part had the same effect as the book. Really that's nothing like the book, and it misses the whole point. Makes me wonder what mook decided that'd be a better ending than the original.
    • by Coraon ( 1080675 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @04:05PM (#27096111)
      I agree totally. The original ending galvanized humanity into working together and would eventually lead them into space and exploration searching for a reason as to why this occurred. This new ending basically put the fear of a angry new god into them. I would rather we expanded into space to learn then to cower in fear of a vengeful god should I develop something he might not like me having. I would rather die on my feet then live on my knees.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by kalirion ( 728907 )

      Which would you find more believable - an alien invasion from parallel world, or a superbeing that you know exists causing the catastrophy?

  • by Weaselmancer ( 533834 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:48PM (#27095763)

    I've seen a lot of book-to-movie attempts. Some are watchable, like Lord of the Rings. Some are not, like Dune. I can't help myself. I'm nitpicky. Occasionally very nitpicky.

    But I'm keeping high hopes that The Watchmen will not be too far off the mark. Why you ask?

    Because Kevin Smith liked it. [slashfilm.com]

    Let's face it - he's probably a bigger comic book geek than almost all of us. And if it passes muster with him, it may just be great.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:49PM (#27095799)

    I read the graphic novel one week and watched the Motion Comic before I saw the movie this morning at 12:00 AM. Here are a few notes:

    a. The movie has a long runtime: Watchmen covers a lot of material. I think I left the theatre at 3:00 AM. Make sure you have the endurance to enjoy the entire film.

    b. Watchmen can be confusing: The movie can be a bit of a challenge to follow if you are not familiar with the graphic novel. I had to explain parts of the movie to a friend who had never read the comic 10 times, namely information regarding the Minutemen and the Crimestoppers, and the differences between the two generations. The movie does a good job of giving a backstory, but it can be a lot to keep track of.

    c. There's nudity. If you read the graphic novel, you know what to expect. Come in with a mature mindset, and you will do a good job. Come with a theatre of teenagers and you will get some silly snickers during some serious scenes. Anyone familiar with the comic should know which of thes I am refering to.

    d. Careful if you watched the Watchmen Motion Comic: If your first experience was with the Watchmen Motion Comic, you may be disappointed at some parts. Namely because the WMC will have you expecting voices to be in a certain way. After reading the graphic novel, I watched the WMC and I associated the voice of Dr. Manhattan with my images of him. I was a bit upset hearing the voice actor for Manhattan. He did a good job on his performance, though.

    e. Don't come into this expecting 300: This is a crime thriller, not a beat-em-up movie. Sure, it has some good violence and action if that's what one is looking for, however, the real meat and bones is in the storyline and how it deconstructs the superhero concept.

    That's about it. They did as good of a job as was possible considering time, budget, and fanboy limitations.

    That's about it...

  • by YoungComputerTech69 ( 1262044 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:50PM (#27095815)
    Have never read a single one of the comics, nor even read many comics in general, and I thought the movie was F#$%^^& awesome. Rorschach's lines felt kinda forced into the movie for the first 1/3 is the only complaint I can think of, but it didn't hurt the movie. Also although they do have sex scenes galore it felt like they belonged in the movie unlike most movies nowadays where they just suddenly go off plot for a gratuitous sex scene to help the movie sell. Although Dr. Manhattan didn't need to be showing off quite so much. [I saw it in the morning so I wouldn't have to deal with crowds, my work hours are flexible]
  • Watchmen non-fan (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mknewman ( 557587 ) * on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:50PM (#27095819)
    I am a non-fan (ducks). Over the years I have heard all the hype about how important it is, Time 100 Top Novels, etc. 2 weeks ago I bought it, read it, and then found the script for the movie on the 'net and read that too. I didn't like the book. In reality, it's not a book but just 12 comics pasted together with a bit of fluff inserted that really didn't have anything to do with the plot. The whole "Graphic Novel" thing just doesn't do it for me, I read comics as a kid, this is no different. The characters are weakly written, because of the format there is very little real information on a page (I especially remember the one page with 4 or 5 panels with only the words "Ahhhhhhh" or similar. The plot itself wasn't bad but the ending in the 'novel' was totally weak, and from what I read in the script should be very much better in the movie. The whole pirate subtext was awful. I would have been much happier without reading it. I understand that it's going to come out this summer in the extended DVD edition. Oh, and the whole manic depressive omnipotent mass murderer in love with a human was just ridiculous. Ok, now with all the bashing out of the way I'll say that I have high hopes for the movie as a visual implementation of the book, and must say that I think the book must be a perfect ready-built storyboard for the movie. From what I read Zach Snyder lived with a copy under his arm and so for once, mostly, the novelist and artist's vision are going to be implemented as they intended. So, yes, I will go see it, I'll probobly even like it, but I've given my copy of the book away. BTW, I'm not the only one that just isn't feeling it: http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/popvox/archive/2009/03/04/don-t-believe-the-watchmen-hype-really-don-t.aspx [newsweek.com]
    • by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @04:27PM (#27096533)

      Watchmen is like Star Wars. You must experience it at age 18 or younger to appreciate it. Youre just too old. To adults, the characters are unrealistic, the plot is uninteresting, the love story silly, the ending illogical, and the tough guy machismo boring. To kids and teens its nectar of the gods. Its firmly in the realm of nostalgic stuff.

      Growing up sucks, eh?

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by PCM2 ( 4486 )

        Haha, wow. I couldn't disagree more. I did first read it when I was about 16, but I don't feel nostalgic about it at all. It's difficult to digest, the ending isn't particularly satisfying, and it was full of cultural references that I was too young to really appreciate (Nixon, Vietnam, 1940s superheroes).

        Furthermore, the characters seemed "unrealistic" even then, because I was smart enough to realize that the Watchmen is mostly a comic book about comic books. The book quite clearly sets up the concept of "

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        I'm 45 years old. I read Watchmen for the first time ever about a week ago and I loved it. But then I'm fairly immature.
  • by dctoastman ( 995251 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:51PM (#27095847) Homepage

    Ultimately, Watchmen was a faithful representation of the source material. You can read the book and base your opinion of whether or not you will enjoy the movie on your opinion of the book.

    I found that the actors portraying Nite Owl II, Rorschach, and Dr. Manhattan were excellent in their roles. There were so many little atmospheric touches, I missed them all (looking through the credits, you'll see acknowledgments and thanks for use of clips from various shows and movies, I didn't see half of those in the movie itself).

  • Saw it at 12:01 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Maxo-Texas ( 864189 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:59PM (#27095993)

    Very faithful except for the ending which is still faithful to the idea of the ending.

    There were a few scenes in the first hour that were a little loose or slow. that's not it.
    Here it is: The movie had a great sound track but a lousy score. The background "emotion" music (that made star wars great) was average. the sound track was the biggest change in the "feel" of the novel to me.

    The characters were great except veigt was about 20 pounds too light imho.

    There is a lot of stuff there for the fan which is meaningless to someone who hasn't read the comic first. It's not bad- it just doesn't connect emotionally because you see some secondary characters or scenes without the 30 panels of buildup you got in the comic.

    Some things were the same as the comic but came across a LOT differently.
    Never has so much swinging male private parts been on display. Much more impact when it's swinging around than on the printed page.
    The sex scenes had a lot more impact and were more *real* than many sex scenes in many other movies. the awkwardness of it is frequently dropped from "hollywood reality". it was amazing. this added a lot ot the suspension of disbelief for the rest of the film.
    The violence was extreme. In the panel, it's one thing-- on the screen- it's disturbing. This is not a kid's movie even if they edit out the nudity.

    Was very satisfied- understood the edits and changes that were made. Recommend it- but you'll get more out of it if you read the graphic novel first.

    And what is with hendrix being the new SF catch song...

    • by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @04:37PM (#27096685) Homepage

      So I'm reading some of the reviews/opinions about the movie, and I'm pleased to see that a lot of people seem to get the idea that most of these "superheroes" are just people in costumes. Night Owl has all the gadgets etc., but he doesn't really seem to have the temperament to be a hero. Plus, though he may have all the gadgets and everything, it's safe to say that the Owlship can fly for the same reason that the sky is full of dirigibles and people smoke weird cigarettes with bubbles at the end -- namely, because of Dr. Manhattan.

      Dr. Manhattan, we are told, is the only one of the bunch with any superpowers. And, unfortunately for all the rest of the so-called superheroes, he has the ultimate superpower -- basically, control of time and space. Nobody else is ever going to match him. Might as well close the book. The catch, however, is that all this godlike power has made him (quite naturally) detached from humanity.

      OK, that's all well and good so far. But I always thought that one of the major, MAJOR themes of the novel revolved around Ozymandias, and the reader's slowly-dawning realization that there might not be only one superhero in the world. There might be two.

      Dr. Manhattan may be the world's only literal comic-book superhero, but Ozymandias represents more the Nietzschian "superman" -- a normal human being who has transformed himself into the ultimate that the human race can hope for. He's billed as "the smartest man on Earth," sure -- but the mere fact that he [REDACTED] shows that he's also one of the top physical specimens on Earth, too. That guy was one tough mofo! And by the end of the story, we see that Ozymandias really, actually can catch a bullet in his bare hand; it's no parlor trick.

      So the ultimate question is: What does it mean to be a superman?

      We've shown that it has distanced Dr. Manhattan from humanity. But it's easy to say "that's only natural, Dr. Manhattan really isn't human anymore," and maybe in fact he is redeemed at the end. But Ozymandias is human, yet his superiority over the rest of us seems to have isolated him in exactly the same way as Dr. Manhattan. Maybe he can't fly to Mars, but think of him sitting in that big chair at the bottom of the world with his cat for company, watching rows of television screens bringing him images of the decay of civilization. Think about what he decides to do about it. Is there humanity in his plan? Is he a hero? A villain? Does he find redemption?

      Does the world need supermen? Is there even a place for them?

      I always thought these were some of the major themes of Watchmen, but I rarely hear them discussed, and it's not clear to me whether they're represented in the movie. (Are they?)

      Just thought I'd throw it out there to give us all something to waste time with on a Friday afternoon. Cheers!

  • by gordm ( 562752 ) <gordonmcdowell@gmail.com> on Friday March 06, 2009 @03:59PM (#27096003) Homepage
    I've read it but asked a friend who hadn't read WATCHMEN to see the movie with me so we could review it. Our discussion is the video at the end of this review (the review focuses more on Alan Moore not wanting to see the movie than our different experiences watching it). http://r4nt.com/article/watchmen-the-what-is-alans-problem-review/ [r4nt.com] ...and the video itself can be found at either location (use blip for CC license)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY7fCCmUxs8 [youtube.com] http://blip.tv/file/1844574/ [blip.tv] In a nutshell he never read it, but he is a comic geek, and he loved it and is seeing it again today. I HAD read the comic but don't consider myself a comic guy. I also loved it. Certainly the most interesting Alan Moore adaptation yet. In terms of quality, to ME its the best, followed by FFROM HELL and V FOR VENDETTA. He was never confused during the screening, and never felt anything was missing. Nor did I. Obviously stuff IS missing, and a longer version is coming. But it stands on its own as an excellent movie.
  • by steveha ( 103154 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @04:08PM (#27096177) Homepage

    I haven't seen it yet, but I'm going to see it as soon as I can. I was hoping this wouldn't get screwed up, and signs indicate that it hasn't.

    The surest way to screw it up would have been to get Tim Burton [imdb.com] or Paul Verhoeven [imdb.com] to direct it; they don't seem to be able to make a movie based on a book without wanting to change things and put their own fingerprints on it. (I'd love to watch a Starship Troopers [wikipedia.org] movie. Too bad we didn't actually get one [sff.net].)

    Everyone agrees that a perfect, 100% faithful adaptation is impossible, unless you do it as a miniseries that is around 12 hours long. The best we can hope for is that the screenwriter and director do a good job of streamlining the story and keeping the important parts intact. Kevin Smith [slashfilm.com] says that this has been done.

    I've read several reviews, and they illustrate how impossible it is to walk the tightrope. The movie keeps large chunks of the original dialog intact, and reviews have complained about dialog-heavy, boring long scenes. As a fan of Alan Moore's writing, I'm expecting that I will like or love these "boring" scenes. You can't please everyone.

    I read an interview with the director, Zack Snyder. He said the movie studios pushed on him to cut some of the more shocking scenes, such as a rape, and a scene where a pregnant woman gets shot; but the scenes were important to the story, and he got them kept in. In the book, the alienation of Dr. Manhatten is shown visually in the way he stops bothering to wear clothes; this is kept as well. The pirate-themed side story would have made the movie too long... but they filmed it anyway and it will be available as its own feature on DVD.

    I read that Zack Snyder gave each actor a copy of the graphic novel, and authorized them to edit their characters' dialog to more closely match the graphic novel. I have real hope that this movie will make me happy as a Watchmen fan.

    P.S. Alan Moore is not happy with it, but as far as I can tell, he is automatically not happy with any attempt to turn his work into a movie. You could get Peter Jackson with an unlimited budget, and he still would not be happy. I read that they offered to have him help with the adaptation, but he declined. (Which makes perfect sense... that way he can complain about everything, and no one can say "well, you had the power to change that, why didn't you?")


  • Deductions (Score:3, Funny)

    by fm6 ( 162816 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @05:00PM (#27097191) Homepage Journal

    In a blatant attempt to make my movie-going a valid business expense..

    If you go to enough movies to make a dent in your tax bill, you need help! If you don't go to that many movies, but you still look for ways to deduct a $10 ticket, you really need help!

  • by Ender77 ( 551980 ) on Friday March 06, 2009 @05:36PM (#27097859)
    Possible spoiler about book: Ok, I have not seen it and really reluctant to. The ending is what got me really worried. The ending is supposed to be the WTF moment(not the generic and boring new one) where an alien attack takes place that forces everybody in the world to band together and set a aside their differences. Yes, the squid was stretching belief but the idea of aliens forcing humanity together is still sound. Now that we have Dr Manhattan as the one blamed, it changes it into an external force into an internal force. On top of that, the other countries would not band together but look at each other with even more suspicion, the most likely scenario it would band other countries against the U.S., since it was DR Manhattan who caused it. Also, taking out the bodies at the end of the book was stupid, don't give me that bullshit about 9/11 after all the other stuff put in the movie (nuclear cloud, rape, kids body..etc), Why do directors HAVE to fuck up the endings in otherwise great movie? I don't want to see a fantastic movie, just to have it be disappointed at the end.

Disks travel in packs.