Ubuntu Linux 10.04 Review (Lucid Lynx) 567
JimLynch writes "The open source world has been eagerly anticipating the final release of Ubuntu Linux 10.04, and now it's finally here. Canonical has been working extremely hard and it shows in the quality of this release."
Except... (Score:5, Informative)
Except it isn't released yet. On hold due to a bug in install process that doesn't detect dual boot set ups properly...
Release party on IRC server: irc.freenode.net #ubuntu-release-party
Re:HUZZAH!!! (Score:4, Informative)
>>>TFA has already been slashdotted...
If you're using Opera turn on "turbo" and it will load.
It's 10.04 LTS (not "10.04") (Score:5, Informative)
This Ubuntu release is 10.04 LTS (for "Long Term Support").
Getting the RC version or the latest daily ISO and upgrading from that is functionally equivalent to waiting for the final ISO to be released and installing it.
Anyone updating their packages from a recent enough beta or RC of Ubuntu will end up having the equivalent of the release.
In case it's not clear, it makes sense NOT to wait for the final release.
Nautilus still broken (Score:2, Informative)
Such as pain in that ass as this did once work in 9.10.
Re:Is there a How-To on moving the window icons ba (Score:2, Informative)
.... to the right side of the window title bar where they belong? If it's not possible, I will not budge from 9.10 thank you very much.
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
Re:Except... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Is there a How-To on moving the window icons ba (Score:2, Informative)
.... to the right side of the window title bar where they belong? If it's not possible, I will not budge from 9.10 thank you very much.
just use the "Human" theme (that's the default in 9.10)... the buttons moved are only part of the NEW THEMES.
Re:Is there a How-To on moving the window icons ba (Score:2, Informative)
.... to the right side of the window title bar where they belong? If it's not possible, I will not budge from 9.10 thank you very much.
Simply copy and paste this line into your terminal: /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string “menu:minimize,maximize,close,spacer”
gconftool-2 --set
Re:Is there a How-To on moving the window icons ba (Score:2, Informative)
Not true. I was running my own custom theme (loosely based on Clearlooks) from 9.10 and on upgrade it forced my buttons to the left, requiring me to change it back.
Re:What will they do for release 24? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I heard the same about 8.10 and 9.04 and 9.10 (Score:4, Informative)
Re:It's 10.04 LTS (not "10.04") (Score:5, Informative)
While it's unlikely this late in the game, you have to account for the fact that the Beta or RC versions could put your system into a bit of disarray (for example, the alternatives system for Nvidia drivers has given me nothing but trouble) which might not be reversed on final update. To be safest, it's best to wait for the final release.
Specifically, though I had no trouble upgrading from 9.04 final to 9.10 final, I jumped the gun and tried 10.04 while it was beta. Lets just say that while the system is working ok(-ish), I won't be doing that again, and after the release today I'm wiping the system and reinstalling a clean copy (/home is on separate drive so it's pretty easy to just start over).
Re:Except... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Except... (Score:3, Informative)
EE/CS is a popular degree plan at Texas Tech University. Computer Engineering is a condensed version of EE/CS here, so EE/CE would be repetitive.
Re:I heard the same about 8.10 and 9.04 and 9.10 (Score:4, Informative)
I used Gentoo for almost 3 years, but personally, I dumped it for Ubuntu when 9.04 was released. Gentoo often got confused over time. portage would work great until EVENTUALLY it got into some conflict where you couldn't emerge a new package because it conflicted with an older one. And if you tried to update your profile things could get hairy. And merging your changes to an old config file with the incoming one via etc-update? That was always a crapshoot. 90% of the time it would work fine. The other 10% something would break and require a few hours of digging around to fix it.
Don't get me wrong I liked the speed of Gentoo, and it was nice that I typically had new releases of software much faster than I do on Ubuntu, but Gentoo just got to be too big of a headache for me.
Besides. On theming issues it's not hard to pull Ubuntu back to defaults (or customized to what you want - which for me isn't upstream nor Ubuntu's defaults).
Re:Except... (Score:2, Informative)
Features (Score:3, Informative)
Well since the link is slashdotted, maybe a list of the new features will be useful:
So it looks like solid improvement for the most part, nothing really revolutionary, but solid.
don't forget to run... (Score:3, Informative)
sudo apt-get purge libmono* libgdiplus cli-common
Re:Except... (Score:4, Informative)
There are lots of "little regressions" in 10.04, for example this one that affects ATI-powered notebooks:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/537640 [launchpad.net]
This is shaping up to be one buggy release!
Re:Except... (Score:2, Informative)
It has been fixed.
No, it hasn't.
They're going to roll back the patches the caused the problem, but this isn't a "fix" for the main issue.
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/x-org-server-memory-leake-bug-fix-released-for-ubuntu-10-04-call-for-testing.html [ubuntugeek.com]
Re:Perhaps... (Score:3, Informative)
Really... Define "almost anything".
If it's one of the repository provided applications (thousands thereof), it's as simple as:
Clicking on "system", mousing down to "Administration", mousing over and down to "Synaptic Package Manager" and clicking to bring up Synaptic. From there, you can search for the application you're looking for by using search criteria- things like "game", "3D", or "draw". At that point you have a point-and-click list of items you can install. You'll need to supply an administrator password for the process at some point, but then Windows kind of does the same thing if you've got your security settings set up right to begin with (if you don't...someone'll eventually have a happy pwning on you...). Not really any more difficult than the Windows way of doing things.
If it's a commercial application, it's typically as simple as running the installer script or binary provided for the vendor (uh...just the same as Windows...)- and if the vendor has done their job right it should just work out of box with a wide range of Linux versions. Hell, some of the vendors have gone the extra distance and provided .deb and .rpm packagings as well as an installer binary. It's even easier to install those as it's just double-click on the package file, approve the install, and supply your admin password.
Now, if you're talking hardware...heh...difficulty's more in the eye of the beholder. There's tons of stuff out there that just won't work with Vista or Windows. Either you chance it or you do your research because unless it's very recent, it won't be labeled "for Vista" or "for Windows 7" on the packaging. Since this is the case, you'll do a bit of checking unless you're into wasting money or gambling- which is little different for Linux there.
I don't at-all accept your supposition. In truth, with all the BS you spouted in your post, I'm unsurprised you posted it anon.
Re:quality? (Score:4, Informative)
I've switched back to Debian from Ubuntu recently, too. "Sidegrading" from 9.10 to Debian squeeze while keeping all your application configs (and your entire homedir) intact is an absolute breeze:
http://www.psy-q.ch/blog/articles/2010/04/20/sidegrading-from-ubuntu-9-10-to-debian-squeeze-its-a-breeze/ [psy-q.ch]
Although there were a few snags during installation:
http://www.psy-q.ch/blog/articles/2010/03/28/new-adventures-in-debian-land/ [psy-q.ch]
Re:I heard the same about 8.10 and 9.04 and 9.10 (Score:1, Informative)
used Gentoo for almost 3 years, but personally, I dumped it for Ubuntu when 9.04 was released. Gentoo often got confused over time. portage would work great until EVENTUALLY it got into some conflict where you couldn't emerge a new package because it conflicted with an older one. And if you tried to update your profile things could get hairy. And merging your changes to an old config file with the incoming one via etc-update? That was always a crapshoot. 90% of the time it would work fine. The other 10% something would break and require a few hours of digging around to fix it.
That's what revdep-rebuild is for.
Re:Except... (Score:1, Informative)
The reason is the last LTS was 8.04 not 9.04. This is a huge upgrade since 8.04
Re:Except... (Score:3, Informative)
The alternate install also fails to do Software RAID correctly.
While in installer, pre first boot: /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/md0, as /boot) /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/md1 as LVM)
(combined to
(combined to
After first boot (well, not even, because /boot doesn't mount) /dev/md0 is not started /dev/md1 is comprised of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/563343 [launchpad.net]
IT'S OUT (Score:2, Informative)
No GIMP?! Seriously? (Score:5, Informative)
This is a definite WTF moment. How could Ubuntu not include the GIMP?!! And worse yet, they have replaced it with F-Spot -- one of the most difficult and annoyingly feature free graphics programs I have ever seen. IIRC, it is based on Mono, too, which is another reason to hate it.
Well, Ubuntu is shaping up to be more and more useless with every release. In 8.04, I could resize an external monitor to whatever resolution the monitor could take. Updates disabled that functionality and constrained me to hardware detection. In 8.10, using an external monitor on an EEE causes a blank screen. CUPS is broken on every release soon after install. Skype and USB audio have not worked since 8.04. Firefox has been getting worse and worse, as well.
Ubuntu used to be easier to use than anything, but now, it is getting like Windows: Many things are broken and cannot be fixed whatever one does. I guess I will just have to keep my fingers crossed for Haiku or switch back to Fedora. For all the money Canonical has spent and all the work that has been done, I would have believed they would have come out with something better. I guess I will never be able to upgrade my EEE :(
Re:Except... (Score:3, Informative)
They've already rolled back the patches (they did so five days ago), and, inasmuch as that prevents the problem from occurring and doesn't appear to have introduced any regressions, it's not unreasonable to call this a "fix." It's not clear to me whether the bug was introduced by the backport (in which case there's nothing more to fix), or whether the bug also exists in the x.org trunk, and needs to be fixed there.
Re:Except... (Score:2, Informative)
Yes, Win7 still boots for some, and that is an unacceptable security risk. The inbuilt malware is pretty scary, and most antivirus programs will not detect it.
Don't worry, McAfee will neutralise that particular malware installation just fine
Re:pulse, flash, java (Score:3, Informative)
Or just enter one command: (Score:5, Informative)
gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close
Thanks to:
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1592998&cid=31593244 [slashdot.org]
Re:No GIMP?! Seriously? (Score:3, Informative)
Well, yes they do because if Canonical are expecting F-Spot of all things to be an adequate replacement for an image manipulation application then they're nuts. The GIMP was the only one in the Gnome/GTK world. If they're saying that the GIMP isn't good enough and they're dropping then, well, their application pool gets ever more laughable.
Re:pulse, flash, java (Score:3, Informative)
apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras is ridiculous? How easy do you need it to be?
If it requires the command line, it's too hard. It needs to show up in Ubuntu Software Center (or whatever they call it in 10.04; I'm waiting a month to upgrade from 9.10), not be buried in Synaptic.