E-Reserves Under Fire From Publishers 208
RackinFrackin writes "Publishers Weekly has a story about a copyright lawsuit lodged against several faculty members and a librarian at Georgia State University. The case, Cambridge University Press, et al. v. Patton et al., involves e-reserves, a practice of making electronic copies of articles available to students. From the article: 'Rather than make multiple physical copies, faculty now scan or download chapters or articles, create a single copy, and place that copy on a server where students can access it (and in some cases print, download, or share). Since the practice relies on fair use (creating a single digital copy, usually from a resource already paid for, for educational purposes), permission generally isn't sought, and thus permission fees aren't paid, making the price right for students strapped by the high cost of tuition and textbooks, as well as for libraries with budgets stretched thinner every year.'"
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For those keeping score at home... (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, I guess now we know.
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Re:The only thing I learned in college... (Score:2, Insightful)
Only thing? I'd ask for my money back.
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Re:Why do schools even buy their own books? (Score:5, Insightful)
So shall we limit the dissemination of information (Score:2, Insightful)
Ultimately they and their ilk would stop all uncontrolled dissemination of information for their own private profits. That would be bad for all of humanity, and must be successfully opposed.
It probably will cost some people their jobs in the process. I understand that and I still say it should be done anyway.
I'm pretty sure the future which includes greater human education and knowledge will provide more and better jobs, though.
Re:The only thing I learned in college... (Score:1, Insightful)
publishers are not creators
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In my department (Electrical Engineering), new faculty are offered a support package to get started and then the faculty go out and get funding. At least 51% of the funding they find is paid to the University as overhead. It is difficult for faculty who don't have external funding to attract grad students or pay for computers. The funding comes from the Government, but much of it comes from corporations.
In my experience, publishers no longer do any editing. I had an expensive text book on "Quality" and the author misquoted John Kennedy. How could this get by an editor? Authors submit camera ready text to academic publishers.
In my experience, peer review is managed by an unpaid faculty member who distributes material to other unpaid faculty members who distribute the material to unpaid students who do the review and pass the review back up the chain. This is actually very good because it gets students to review the work of others.
The reality is that academic publishing is a dead-end. Journals are in trouble. Conference proceedings and self-publishing of text books are on the rise. Recently, he only thing that I've heard faculty say that publishers provide is that publishers sometimes show up at conferences with a table of books which faculty browse. This seems like a weak basis for a business.
Reading the TFA, it seems like the publishers should just settle. Georgia changed their ways.
This hits close to home (Score:2, Insightful)
This is a big deal. Institutions often pay incredible amounts of money to provide library catalog services, and reserves are a huge part of any course system. Instructors often bring stuff into our library, from their own collection -- a magazine article, a couple of photos, whatever -- and now, more than ever, they exist only in electronic form (videos, PDF files, etc). You have to put these things some place.
This stuff needs to be worked out. I see a few people already posting about how expensive college is... the last thing I'd want to see is the costs of license fees for copyright being passed on to students. That's seriously suck.
As a GSU grad student... (Score:4, Insightful)
This is exactly what the constitution intends. (Score:2, Insightful)
Amendment 28 : The right of a corporation to earn the same or more profits as last year shall not be infringed by congress or reality.
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Most people don't see American academia for the industry that it is. Most people still incorrectly think of it as something pure, and free from commercial influences.
Simple solution (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Why do schools even buy their own books? (Score:3, Insightful)
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Yes. The government is paying most of your tuition.
You misspelled taxpayers.
Speaking of which, I paid $5500 in property taxes last years (and a big chunk of that goes to the juco).
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You are, however, ignoring one problem on the other end. Copyright infringement is so cheap that it's not easy for publishers to compete, even if they were to price it "fairly".
So, don't compete then. We don't need textbook publishers anymore.
No, no no no no... wait a moment there... (Score:5, Insightful)
Publishers know one thing: don't fuck with tenured professors. These guys have contributed a lot of material (both as articles and as books) to the publishers, from which they gain usually very little to nothing. But the profs have the attitude that they'll send a copy of the article to any scholar that asks for it. Some even have automated e-mail systems which send the article in an automated e-mail. And publishers always let them do that, because they know what is the true source of their bread and butter, and know better than piss them off. Ask any tenured prof if they are worried that the publishing hose will come after them for distributing copies of their articles; their attitude is "Bring it on, make my day."
Senior scientists HATE giving up copyrights to the text and every picture they publish in the article, to the journal, without getting anything in return - not to mention that they are the authors of the whole article, and must even carefully format it according to the capricious guidelines of the journal! Oh yeah, and the peer-review is done by other unpaid scientists. People are furious and anger is boiling. Does this publishing house really want to stir this nest of angry wasps? The UC boycott of NPG [slashdot.org] didn't come out from a vacuum. Cambridge University Press could find itself on the receiving end of something similarly unpleasant. Yes, they are very prestigious and with a long tradition - but so does Nature Publishing Group.
If the situation blows up to a sufficient degree, we might see a revolutionary change towards copylefted, openly accessible scientific papers and notebooks. Public Library of Science is moving in that direction, and I can only hope that the movement/trend picks up momentum and steamrolls the greedy publishing houses and journals.
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Why not? There is little change from one revision to the next. In fact, one large, often quoted cost of the textbooks is the shipping costs. Another is printing costs. Another is storage. (our college didn't like to buy back books that weren't used the very next term, since they didn't have anywhere to store them) How much do you think it costs to ship 500 calculus textbooks to a college? One would think with no expensive full color printing and binding, along with almost no distribution or warehouse costs, the price should be a small fraction of what it was.
Heck, without the bookstore marking up the cost to pay for their costs (office space, salaries, etc) and no distribution and storage costs, you really just have a author, some marketing and IT costs for distribution, and of course, editing and proof reading.
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So, don't compete then. We don't need textbook publishers anymore.
Yeah, you do. Maybe not dedicated companies, but you still need publishers for textbooks.
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In the strange world of academia, the main way that you can show your worth is by being published by recognised journals and book publishers. Often it is a requirements of working at an institution. Self publishing and e-publishing would not be accepted for this. It seems that doing what is best for the students is secondary to building prestige for universities.
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