Climate Change To Drive Weather Disasters, Say UN Experts 572
mdsolar writes "Climate change is amplifying risks from drought, floods, storms and rising seas, threatening all countries, but small island states, poor nations and arid regions in particular, UN experts warned on Tuesday. In its first-ever report on the question, the Nobel-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said man-made global-warming gases are already affecting some types of extreme weather. And, despite gaps in knowledge, weather events once deemed a freak are likely to become more frequent or more vicious, inflicting a potentially high toll in deaths, economic damage and misery, it said."
It's more than just global warming gas (Score:4, Insightful)
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There is 7 BILLION people on this planet, and nearly 1/3 of the forest has been cut down in the last century. With all the polution humans cause, and millions roads that we built, how can anyone dispute our involvement in climate change?
The same way a certain kind of person disputes any other fact that has implications they don't like.
Or that their leaders don't like, and tell them that they shouldn't like either.
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You didn't say exactly how, so I'm going to guess that you were talking about one part FUD, with one part rewarding ignorance.
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... nearly 1/3 of the forest has been cut down in the last century.
There are more trees in the world now than there were a century ago.
People are likely skeptical because they notice exaggerated claims of doom and destruction that don't match reality and wonder why the solution to every problem seems to involve world socialism without any rational explanations given for the connection.
Give me a rational explanation of the expected benefits and costs of global warming over time with estimates costs for taking various actions now versus later (using a reasonable time and we
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I agree, but to play devil's advocate i would reply:
in pretty much the same way people can actually defend creationism vs evolution. in spite of all the scientifical artifacts, findings and proofs pointing toward one direction.
men will find deeply defend what they think must be true, despite all evidences.
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men will find deeply defend what they think must be true, despite all evidences.
Upton Sinclair put it in a rather elegant manner:
It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his income depends on not understanding it.
It has become fairly clear from the evidence that the climate change is being strongly pushed by human economic (industrial and agricultural) activity. A small population of people have a strong financial interest in continuing the current practices. We have lots of history saying that in such situations, the people profiting from an activity will prevent change until the disaster actually occurs. Then they'll take their riches and move on, leaving the disaster for the rest of the population to deal with.
Something that has been missed in most of the "discussions": The fact that human activity is forcing these changes means that humans now have the ability with our technology to control our climate, at least on a coarse world-wide level. We have the technical ability to shove the climate in whatever direction we prefer. But we aren't doing this. We're still leaving our major institutions in the hands of people who are personally profiting from the current climate pushing. Whatever direction this might be is less important than the fact that continuing is leading to problems that we are now capable of preventing. We just need the social and political will to do so.
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Your numbers are both wrong and misleading.
Let's start with wrong:
There is about 5[0] acres of land mass per human alive today. Roughly 30% of this is forests (much less is arable), leaving slightly less than 2 acres per individual to "sequester the gas produced", rather than the 10 you imply.
This is the result of a very trivial google and wikipedia search - I have not even looked at the facts behind the "1 acre of forest needed for 1 adult" number - I hope it too isn't removed by a factor of five from real
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There's a problem w/ the ocean as carbon sink isn't there? It becomes more acidic and shellfish have their shells dissolved by the acidic water, while problem species like jellyfish flourish, no?
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"The best match for current changes was the Palaeocene-Eocene thermal maximum of 55 million years ago, when vast amounts of methane were released into the atmosphere causing rapid global warming, ocean acidification, and mass extinction. But even then, it took at least 3000 years for ocean pH to drop by 0.5. "That is an order of magnitude slower than today," Hönisch says.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21534-oceans-acidifying-at-unprecedented-speed.html [newscientist.com]
A key point (indirectly pointed to in th
There you go again (Score:3)
Do you just keep pulling these numbers out of your ass?
Surface area, water: 361,132,000 km2[0]
Surface area, water, in acres: 89,000,000,000[1]
People on earth: ~7,000,000,000
Surface area (water, acres) divided by people: 89,000,000,000 / 7,000,000,000 ~= 13.
13. Thirteen. Not 1285. You're off by a factor of 100 this time!
Btw, not saying that "water surface area" has
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I think it's rather a "factually incorrect is not a mod option, so I use troll instead". Which is fair, tbh.
Deliberately posting incorrect numbers is trolling. Doing so unintentionally - well, then you shouldn't really be part of the discussion anyway.
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Saying "both sides do it" is the mark of someone who is not thinking critically. One side has peer reviewed research and a strong consensus while the other has manipulation through the media by people who are not bound by the same standards. This creates a distortion that is inevitably repeated by people like Anon-Admin who think in a few short sentences they can dispute decades of research.
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The world needs more ignorance of that caliber!
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I hope that comment was a joke, and that you really aren't that ignorant of this topic...
I don't understand why his comment was "ignorant". You failed to explain it adequately. Actually, you didn't explain it at all.
I'm afraid that you need to understand that everyone who disagrees with you is not "ignorant". He made a point and then proved it with supporting links. His point was this:
You can find studies that show more hurricanes, less hurricanes, more sever hurricanes all due to global warming
And then he provided three links:
Hurricanes Have Doubled Due to Global Warming, Study Says
Global Warming May Mean Fewer Hurricanes
Global Warming Causes Severe Storms Research Meteorologists See More Severe St
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You can find studies that show more hurricanes, less hurricanes, more sever hurricanes all due to global warming. It's getting old attributing every possible outcome to Advance Global Warming. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070730-hurricane-warming.html [nationalgeographic.com] http://www.science20.com/news/global_warming_may_mean_fewer_hurricanes [science20.com] http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2009/0109-global_warming_causes_severe_storms.htm [sciencedaily.com]
Can someone explain why this was modded down? He made a point and backed it up links. If you don't agree, that's fine. Reply and tell him why he's wrong.
Modding a comment down simply because you disagree with it against the moderation guidelines.
The UN is definitely an expert.... (Score:2, Funny)
there is now consensus (Score:2)
There is now consensus that it sucks to be poor, to live on small island states and arid regions.
Some change should become take place when richer countries start getting hit more regularly.
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If and when the next natural disaster happens, how will we know if it is spawned by climate change, or if it is something that would have happened anyway? How do meteorologists make that determination? I seriously would like to know.
Sucks for them (Score:3)
Tough luck; politicians in the largest superpower, which is neither a small island, poor nor arid, have determined through extensive consulting of industry lobbyists and religious leaders that global warming does not exist.
Always the wrong angle (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm still pretty skeptical about AGW (though not global warming itself, the temperature records unquestionably and unsurprisingly show a warming trend).
But here's the thing: it doesn't fucking matter.
We are spewing toxins into the atmosphere at an alarming rate. Air advisories are more common by the year and I can barely stand being in big cities for an hour before the saturated odor of pollution gets to me (no not physically, I'm not a whiner about such things... it just... gets to me... I want away from it).
So why the fuck are we even discussing this in light of what might possibly happen if the data isn't as bogus as it seems at times and the models that have never been right might possibly be right this time?
All of the same things that allegedly contribute to AGW are polluting the air and water in real, tangible, short term ways. How about we focus on that right now and keep an eye on the still unanswered question of exactly what it means to the climate.
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Nice start AC. Let the food fight begin!!! ;-P
woot.
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more regulations, taxes
Think of the billionaires' children!
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more regulations, taxes
Think of the billionaires' children!
Don't you worry! Those kids will be just fine. I fear, however, for the children of those that work for the billionaires.
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Care to share the secret where you want to go once this planet became inhabitable? I wanna come with... no scratch that, I don't want to share a planet with someone like you.
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No one except you thinks the planet will become uninhabitable. Please stop repeating this.
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How many laws are put on the table before these is strong evidence. Banning chemicals in plastic without conclusive evidence that it is causing health problems. Cellphone regulations because someone who is a Scientist says that Cell phones may cause cancer.
The problem isn't as much the Scientist but the Psuto-Scientist who did OK in their High School science class. Who take everything from a Scie
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The claim that Silent Spring killed untold millions is one of those falsehood that people love to slander environmentalists with. That way, we can all feel great about ignoring them!
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Is there consensus on that second part? What is your source? Because that is not what is said on the first page of the report the IPCC just released.
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Huh, IPWC.... I'm looking at the IPCC report this slashdot article is about, right now. It does not sound anything like "consensus". It sounds like properly nuanced presentation of their analysis. This is not what you will read in the news:
There is evidence that some extremes have changed as a result of anthropogenic influences, including
increases in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases. It is likely that anthropogenic influences have led
to warming of extreme daily minimum and maximum temperatures at the global scale. There is medium confidence
that anthropogenic influences have contributed to intensification of extreme precipitation at the global scale. It is
likely that there has been an anthropogenic influence on increasing extreme coastal high water due to an increase in
mean sea level. The uncertainties in the historical tropical cyclone records, the incomplete understanding of the physical
mechanisms linking tropical cyclone metrics to climate change, and the degree of tropical cyclone variability provide
only low confidence for the attribution of any detectable changes in tropical cyclone activity to anthropogenic
influences. Attribution of single extreme events to anthropogenic climate change is challenging.
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Do you know what "likely" refers to when used by the IPCC? What about "medium confidence", etc? If not, are you qualified to interpret their statements? Please at least skim the report that millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours have produced for you. First, go to page 21.
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Haha, there is a picture. The point was that is where they explain the "Treatment of Uncertainty".
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If that's true, there needs to be more competition in the insurance industry. What is stopping them from raising premiums for any reason whatsoever?
I knew that the denial crowd would leap for this. Everything has to be interpreted as a conspiracy, or people lying, or being dishonest, or evil, or stupid. Anything but accept that intelligent people are trying to tell you something.
/counter-evidence/, like a good skeptic actually would.
Well, the actuaries in the insurance industry have done the math, and worked out that they need to raise premiums to deal with the already measurable risk. You can dismiss this out of hand if you like, but you'll still have to pay. Instead, you could, of course, extend yourself by learning something about he issue. And that means you should stop reading partisan blogs, and find
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I believe that most if not all the insurance companies are organized as mutual companies which means the company is owned by the policy holders and excess profits are returned to them. State Farm for example is a mutual insurance company and they've sent me checks twice in the past 20 years returni
Re:Yeah yeah (Score:4, Interesting)
The actuaries have the same data available to us... honestly I have no idea why actuaries are suddenly an authority on climate science but whatever.
There is no scam necessary. If the insurance company can make more money by justifying higher premiums (for any reason), they should be expected to do so up to the point it loses them business.
Really, this is a very convoluted argument with regards to AGW. It unnecessarily adds all sorts of business, regulatory, and social factors. It makes much more sense to simply look at what the IPCC has said and discuss that.
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2. We have some evidence that human pollution has caused some of the symptoms of climate change
We have controvertible proof, and there was consensus on that in the 1979 NAS report. Fixed that for you.
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Erm... how much more than a summary would you expect in a single post on slashdot?
I have no real opinion on it all, but was there some part of what he said that you actually disagreed with?
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and it's causing weather patterns to be unpredictable
It occurs that weather patterns on earth have not been that predictable, ever.... prediction of weather is inherently hard. Scientists have done a good job explaining away weather phenomena in the past, such as ice ages. But the state of the art has never been any good at predicting changes in weather patterns like that.
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The state of the art has been pretty good at predicting rates and ranges of maximum and minimum temperatures. We don't know for sure what the temperature will be, but we can state with pretty good confidence that it will be between a lower and upper limit. For example, it is a good bet that on any given day, the temperature that day will stay between the maximum and minimum temperatures observed that day in the last 100 years. And it should be a safe bet (in general) that it's equally likely that we woul
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I wonder how life has survived on for so long on this planet? For a majority of the Earth's history, the temperature has been warmer than it is now and there have been no polar ice caps.
A phenomenon like the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum must have had a very detrimental effect on life on this planet, but th
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According to wikipedia the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum was a 6 degree rise over 20,000 years. That's a lot of time to adapt. Compare that to the rate of change happening now. See the difference?
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That's like an obese person who eats junk food all day, and says his diabetes has nothing to do with his diet!
But you can't prove that it's the diet that is causing the diabetes. Might as well be lack of excercise, or too much wanking, or whatever. Correlation != causation and so on.
That said, if I was fat and started to develop a type 2 diabetes, I would fix my diet, just in case.
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Genius, the true cause of climate change: "Too much wanking". That's something the republican party could get behind.
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it's a theory
You keep using that word. [wikipedia.org] It doesn't mean what you think^W suppose it means. [wikipedia.org]
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Well, I don't know about suppressed. As far as I know, the evidence for lamarckian inheritance wasn't strong enough for most researchers to accept it without a plausible mechanism. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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it’s a theory at best.
So is relativity, but your GPS wouldn't work if it didn't compensate for relativistic effects.
(Not that I am in any way defending or condemning AGW. I just hate seeing misuse of terms.)
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Don't waste any effort having a conversation with AC and his/her ilk. They won't believe anything that is in conflict with their world view. Their motto must be ignorance is bliss!
I'm having trouble telling you two apart.
~Loyal
Re:Conservative meltdown in 5..4..3..2..1.. (Score:5, Funny)
You read 596 pages already?
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Seriously though I predict 500+ comments despite no one reading the thing they are talking about. That is just today. The number of comments by people who have not read the report will number in the billions a couple years from now.
Re:ALSO: No Snow In the UK (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, when I'm looking for a careful assessment of scientifice evidence, my first source is always uncommondescent.com (actual byline: "serving the intelligent design community").
As for your first link, it quotes one actual climate scientist saying that in the future, snowfalls in parts of England are going to be rare and exciting (the "in a few years" is from the journalist, not the scientist). Apparently you regard this statement as absolutely ridiculous on its face?
Well, global warming is expected to warm global temperatures by 2degC or more by 2100. More so on land (as compared to oceans) and more so in the Northern hemisphere. Now let's compare the average minimum winter temperatures of two cities:
London, UK: 2.7 (Dec), 2.3 (Jan) 2.1 (Feb).
Marseille, France: 4.1 (Dec), 3.0 (Jan), 3.9 (Feb).
Guess what? Snowfalls are rare and exciting events in Marseille, right now! What do you think will happen in London when daily temperatures increase by two degrees?
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I am socially and fiscally conservative. I believe in states' rights. The data about what exactly is happening to our climate is muddy. The outcomes are unknown. There is a lot of politics behind it.
But what we are doing to the environment cannot be good. We need to do something about it. Add a $5/gal tax to gasoline and use the money to develop public transporation and bicycling infrastructure. Bar new fossil fuel plants. Build offshore wind farms, the Kennedys be damed. Add tarrifs to good from countries that are not cutting emissions. Invest in next-generation nuclear reactor development. Ban cars from city centers. Stop giving tax rebates to people buying hybrids - give tax rebates to people buying bicycles, train tickets, and bus tickets. Stop building cities around cars.
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Your idea sounds good. Any ideas on what you're going to do about the massive unemployment, starvation, and misery that will result from your changes?
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You seem to be against my idea. Any ideas on what we're going to do about the massive unemployment, starvation, and misery that will result from not making changes?
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Your idea sounds good. Any ideas on what you're going to do about the massive unemployment, starvation, and misery that will result from your changes?
Petrol in the UK costs about GBP 1.5 per litre. That's roughly $9 per gallon.
Mass starvation has somehow failed to occur.
Re:Conservative meltdown in 5..4..3..2..1.. (Score:4, Insightful)
No one respectable is saying climate change will ruin the earth, or even wipe out humanity... Please stop with this falsehood. When you set cost to EXTREME MAXIMUM it makes cost-benefit analysis impossible for you to perform.
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Ok, and who has said that an anoxic event is likely to occur? I'm not being snarky, it is an honest question.
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No, no, no. We'd immediately implement an exemption for people making less than 800% of the poverty level and pass an income tax credit for almost all of the rest. Thankfully the tax prep industry is tightly coupled with Washington, so you know the next version of TaxCut or TurboTax will take this into consideration.
We'll need to implement a National ID you will be required to present at the gas station so it can link to a central database to approve each purchase. We'll contract that out to private industry who will, of course, need to take just a small percentage of the transaction to cover their expenses. No point in having state issued ID's anymore so we'll just ban them.
Naturally we'll need a lot of new laws and regulations to implement this new tax. Because $5/gal tax is going to inspire a bunch of black market activity we'll have to establish a new Department of Energy Security (DES) . The DES will have to have extreme police powers to conduct their newly established war on un-taxed gas smugglers which will include para-military forces making no-knock raids on private residences. For the children; y'know.
In the end, we'll have a massive new Federal bureaucracy with a well established constituency of special interests. They'll, of course, be hiring a lot of lobbyists and every time the budget comes up for renewal we'll have a parade of our 'elected' officials telling us we can't possibly cut funding (read: give smaller increases) to the new bureaucracy or some unspecified "THEY" will win.
Since we're excluding almost everyone from the tax and we've got a new bureaucracy to pay for, it turns out we're not getting quite as much revenue as we'd like and the only option at that point will be to nationalize the entire petrochemical industry. Don't worry though, we'll pay for it all by raising the gas tax and cutting waste and fraud.
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If you live in the US, you are already benefiting from redistribution of wealth toward drivers. Current gas taxes do not come anywhere close to covering road costs. You are being subsidized by people like me who pay income and property taxes to support the roads but then bike to work. I am proposing letting you pay out of your own wages.
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>>>Current gas taxes do not come anywhere close to covering road costs.
Yes actually they do. The gas taxes collected exceed the amount of money spent by the U.S. DOT for road maintenance. And in my state there's so much excess gas tax collected, they transfer it to the Baltimore train lines. (A few years ago I sat in a legislative session and witnessed them transfer money from the gas tax to build a whole new rail line!)
So NO I am not being subsidized as a driver. It is the opposite. I am payi
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On the face of it this makes sense, but what are you basing that on? I mean is it that there is more energy, or just a changing amount of energy?
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"Changing amount" includes both "less" and "more"... If you don't understand such a basic concept, I take it you were talking out of your ass and there is no way you will be able to answer my question.
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But who are we going to sue once we get the bill for our idiocy?
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Predictions with little to no ability to falsify them don't exactly qualify as "science." "In a system with a lot of variability to begin with, CO2 is going to increase the risk of variability."
Ok, maybe at one level it's science. Pointing out that the prediction doesn't have much predictive value isn't "railing against science."
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Also, ad hominem is a logical fallacy. If you want to find the actual truth, rather than descending into political squabbling, you would do well to avoid it.
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Uhhh, yeah, they are. If a theory is non-falsifiable, it isn't science. Evolution is highly falsifiable. AGW isn't. Sorry, but that's the way it is. The change is so small that it falls within the noise of natural variability of both weather (fluctuations in water vapor content have hundreds of times as much effect on atmospheric heat retention as all the CO2 ever produced by man), and climate (we don't really understand long term climate, or what caused past climate changes). We don't even have a single control (whereas we have practiaclly unlimited controls and unlimited samples to show that evolution happens, and the ability to read paste changes in the genetic code, which are predictive, etc etc).
Ways anthropogenic global warming can be falsified:
1) Extended period of stable or declining temperatures, while atmospheric CO2 concentrations continue to increase. (And no that doesn't mean you can disprove global warming by comparing a downward fluctuating year and an upward fluctuating year in the past.)
2) Average daytime temperatures increasing more than nighttime temperatures. (One of the signatures of the greenhouse effect versus solar driven temperature change is that nighttime temperatures increase more than daytime)
3) Equatorial temperatures increasing more than polar temperatures. (One of the signatures of the greenhouse effect versus solar driven temperature change is that temperatures in the polar regions increase faster than the equator)
4) Upper atmosphere temperatures increasing instead of decreasing. (Yes, another way to differentiate between the greenhouse effect and solar temperature driven changes.)
I'll leave out the highly improbable ones (like a declining level of CO2 in the atmosphere with an continuing to increase temperature or the disproof of most of modern physics which would be required to actually call the underlying physical model into question.)
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Right, but (assuming proper experiments and analysis is performed) what level of "statistical certainty" should be required before science is used to inform public policy? The answer lies somewhere between 0 and 6.5 sigma. In a nutshell, this is what the argument is about.
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The positives and negatives are relative and complicated.
Some places which are currently good for crops will become bad; some which are bad will become good. The type of crops which will grow will change. I think that overall, slightly warmer weather and more CO2 will make it a bit easier to grow crops, but that likely won't be a major difference.
In the US, we have (comparatively) rich and educated farmers. We can move farms and change crops. Any change in farmland will produce some short-term problems
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I'm pretty sure no one thinks the idea of pumping shit-tons of excess carbon dioxide into the atmosphere is a GOOD thing. It's not a question of whether we should do something about this, it's a question of how to most rationally balance our economic interests and our long-term environmental interests. The problem is that reason has become a scarce commodity in both sides of the debate at this point. The increasingly shrill alarmism of the left and the head-in-the-sand denialism of the right are making for the kind of emotionally-charged debate that's making it damn near impossible to chart a clear path that's going to keep the planet from warming too much while also not creating an economic disaster worse than the environmental one.
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Disclaimer: I am a libertarian.
Global warming has been studied so carefully, scientifically and so thoroughly by so many, that I don't think that it can be denied. At least in the geological short term. The amount and speed of warming can still be debated.
However, the response to this warming insight seems to be based entirely on emotional, non-scientific and non-economic grounds. The "cure" seems to be mostly based on reversing greenhouse gas emissions, whereas alternatives or simply adapting to change
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I listen to it, for the sole reason that I do not have an exit plan for when this planet becomes uninhabitable. I cannot shrug, say "oh well, looks like it failed" and head over for my other Earth and start over there.
In risk management, we'd handle it as a high risk, regardless of the probability. The impact is devastating, the probability nonzero, resulting in a risk you have to take serious and handle.
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I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion of this from a risk management position.
The naysayers basically seem to be stating that the science must be absolutely ironclad before we settle on any course of action, other than what we're doing today.
If they're wrong, and if climate change is real, then we're all in a whole big pile of hurt. I won't say that the Earth will become uninhabitable, because I don't believe that. What I do believe is that the Earth won't sustain the current population or society. It'll be more than bad enough.
If they're right, and climage change isn't happening, then they're out some profitability.
The question is how much remediation we do, how much we cut back, how much we push conservation, and how much we push alternative energy. For the first measure, to fail to push conservation in many forms is absolutely criminal, because it's good, no matter what. Better-insulated houses are just plain better, and will require less fuel, of whatever form. Same thing for higher-mileage cars, obviously balancing for safety. Sometimes I think in America the use of fossil fuel is considered a right, almost a duty - when if it were more properly considered an expense we'd be taking different actions.
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I'm sorry, but who cares? It doesn't matter if you are Einstein himself if you deny simple and basic scientific facts, such as the observed warming and the human impact.
Being a scientist in one field does not make you an expert in another.
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It also predicts larger economic damages due to weather. Well, no duh. We're building more and more expensive stuff. The weather could stay the same and this will be true.
Not just more stuff, but in more places. It is a lot harder for the storm to rip through empty fields now as we are filling them with homes.
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I just hate how they take the conclusion "the same number of hurricanes, or less" and yet still spin it into a scary prediction, by leading it with a "the wind might blow harder".
Use your common sense. Hurricanes are routine events. We have them every single year, and the majority don't cause much damage. It's the most extreme hurricanes that cause damage, so it's the frequency of those extreme hurricanes that matters.
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On paper, yes. In reality that was the rest of the world expressing relief that the US hadn't elected another Republican president.
You Don't Know What You're Talking About (Score:4, Insightful)
Still it makes great press. It gives people who an agenda leverage. Most important it allows some groups to extort money from others while ignoring those groups who would tell them to bugger off.
It's a 594 page report with 220 authors from 62 nations leaving 18,611 review comments published by the United Nations. And that's what your professional assessment of this effort? Great press? Extortion?
Yes there is climate change. Is that bad? Depends on where you are and what change you experience. We do know it has been hotter before.
So I have two things here, I have a six hundred page report with many many many citations from peer reviewed journals. And I have your two or three sentences of cheap rhetoric -- you don't live on the coasts so you say "depends on where you are and what change you experience." And we should just all turtle inwards and say "fuck commerce and 90% of the world population"? You say that we know it's been hotter than before yet you don't explain how the temperature slowly got to that point, slower than a hundred years, slow enough for it not to totally destroy a key link in the food chain. Nobody's depending on polar bears, but what happens when the fisheries in the ocean start coming up drastically short or we get another dust bowl? This report, it's not worried about Earth, animals, plants, etc. It's worried about humans. We depend on those other things but the reason to worry is not FUD and your idiotic assertions aren't doing anything to calm anybody. So please shut the hell up until you have something meaningful to contribute.
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Could be the volcano-load of fossil CO2 that human civilization is spewing into the atmosphere every 3 days or so. Just an idea.