Software Patents Good For Open Source? 150
schliz writes "The Australian software patent system could be used by open source developers to ensure their inventions remain available to the community, a conference organized by intellectual property authority IP Australia heard this week According to Australian inventor Ric Richardson, whose company came out on top of a multi-million dollar settlement with Microsoft in March, a world without software patents would be 'open slather for anybody who can just go faster than the next person.' Software developer Ben Sturmfels, whose 2010 anti-software-patent petition won the support of open source community members such as Jonathan Oxer, Andrew Tridgell, and software freedom activist Richard Stallman, disagreed."
"disagreed" link (Score:1)
"Jonathan Oxer, Andrew Tridgell, and software freedom activist Richard Stallman, disagreed." *Click link, ctrl-f stallman, oxer, tridgell*, no matches found. Stop wasting my time with links that are inappropriate to the sentence they claim to be linking about.
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"Jonathan Oxer, Andrew Tridgell, and software freedom activist Richard Stallman, disagreed." *Click link, ctrl-f stallman, oxer, tridgell*, no matches found. Stop wasting my time with links that are inappropriate to the sentence they claim to be linking about.
I think that this bit from the summary:
"Software developer Ben Sturmfels, whose 2010 anti-software-patent petition won the support of open source community members such as Jonathan Oxer, Andrew Tridgell, and software freedom activist Richard Stallman, disagreed"
was trying to say that Ben Sturmfels disagrees, and that back in 2010 Jonathan Oxerm, Andrew Tridgell and Richard Stallman agreed with Ben Sturmfels about something else. A sort of 'appeal to authority by association'.
Re:"disagreed" link (Score:5, Funny)
Or alliteration.
In theory... (Score:5, Insightful)
In theory I could see how the argument could work, but in practice, the patent system is both prohibitively expensive and incredibly slow. The cost and delay renders it mostly only usable by big players. Exacerbated by big companies having gigantic, practically unknowable portfolios at their disposal (many companies have a practice of making employees try to patent anything they can think of, regardless of plans to actually implement them, leaving a company with gobs of patents no one even really knows about....
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Yes, the article says to get in the mud with the bullies. Surely you'll get dirty, probably beaten.
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Not only that, but open-source gets to use the 'cheap' route for patents, namely that of "prior art". Code it, push it to github or wherever, and done.
Or is the idea that you want to prevent others from using the technique you used in the code elsewhere [ie, make it kind-of-open-source]? If so, open source really can't match the deep pockets of any of the significant companies that you probably want to sue, and that leaves just the little fish [the 1 - 50 employee firms that, you know, gives most people j
Re:In theory... (Score:5, Insightful)
And copyrights mess with this in that they protect the actual work and establish the underlying idea as being prior art (from that point on) and thus no longer patentable.
Patents, aside from being slow and expensive, create a kind of virtual property that the big players* can buy, sell, and otherwise securitize. And that game has been fixed for quite a while, making it cost prohibitive for the little guy to do anything more than sell his property into the system to those who can afford to trade it.
* The big players resemble Goldman Sachs more than Boeing or Caterpillar. They don't actually create value anymore so much as trade title to value that is 'within the system'. That is, ideas for which negotiable paper has been generated by the patent office.
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Add in the "First to File" that IIRC the USPTO adopted a while back over the traditional first to invent (a wholly bureacratic self convenience in order to simplify their own lives and no one else who is actually a productive member of society), and I think it's actually a net negative.
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"First to file" doesn't mean what you think it does. "First to file" is only a system of determining who gets a patent in the situation that multiple people file patents on the same idea. It doesn't invalidate prior art or anything else that already exists in the "first to invent" system.
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Except prior art is always ignored unless brought up in some massive lawsuit, and "patent MAD" prevents such lawsuits from happening.
Re:In theory... (Score:5, Insightful)
If two people file a patent almost the same time, with first-to-invent, you have a long drawn-out court battle over who invented it. With first-to-file, the second filing will typically include evidence that it was invented before the first disclosure and therefore invalidate the first, so no one gets the patent.
This is as it should be for things that are sufficiently obvious that two people invent them almost simultaneously: remember that the point of patents is not to reward you for being clever, it's to provide an incentive for disclosing your invention. If someone else would disclose it a week later anyway, or all interested people know it already, then there is no reason to provide the incentive.
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And if one person published something, then five years later someone else patented it, the latter will still be able to successfully threaten the former (and whoever else used his work) because it would take a huge, costly lawsuit to prove that prior art is actually prior art. There is no "complain to USPTO, get patent invalidated" process, everything has to go through the courts, no matter how obvious.
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Which means that you have to keep reading patents so that you know that you have to do something to get a patent dismissed. It also means that if you do not do that, you may be sued, and may have to hire an attorney, burn money, etc, etc, for nothing in particular. That is an unnecessary and expensive burden on the innovator, and yet another prett
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No one in his right mind will voluntarily sift through all idiocy that comes to USPTO and watch for everything that tries to lay claim on his (or known to him) work that was published long ago, and never went anywhere near patents. It's usually not until the patent is granted and its proud owner is sending threatening letters, that anyone can become aware of the mistake that patent examiners made, and even then the people who are being threatened may have no way to convince the originator of the prior art t
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If two people invent the same thing at the same time why doesn't the USPTO just consider the thing obvious and not worthy of patent protection?
Re:In theory... (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem, as usual, is not with the technicals, but with the business.
Software Patents solve a business need; that of investors to feel reassured that the thing they're investing in is worth the investment they're making.
An investor usually has no technical chops, so cannot determine if a software startup is doing something clever, innovative or hard-to-replicate. They're buying a stake in some Intellectual Property, and need to know that the property they're buying is 'real'. The first question asked of a software startup is 'what's your protection strategy for your IP?', because if there's no protection there's nothing 'real' that they can invest in. Patents are currently a good answer to this question.
This view is changing, slowly. Lean Startup http://theleanstartup.com/ [theleanstartup.com] (amongst others) is beginning to get people used to the concept that execution is more important than ideas, that IP is not a static thing that remains constant and can be owned like a piece of land. A business's IP should be changing the whole time, old ideas and executions discarded behind it as they become irrelevant in a changing market, new executions being constantly tested against the current market.
With this worldview, investors invest in people, not ideas, and the whole patent system becomes irrelevant.
Of course, as long as there's a valid business model for patent trolling then there'll be a set of businesses using that model to make money. But it becomes more and more visibly broken and hopefully we can get the politicians to see that.
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+5 insightful!
The idea of not having any software patents is attractive, since if one is an inventor/developer and one comes up w/ an idea on his/her own, it's ridiculous that one should be penalized if someone else had patented a similar idea. Until one gets to see the person who first patented a similar idea.
As you point out, if software patents did not exist, investors would feel less comfortable financing the person who comes up w/ the idea, since before long, any number of other people will come u
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As most software incorporates many functions, any of which may or may not be patented, patents are a net liability for any startup. Even if they may have one or two, chances are high that their idea cannot be usefully brought to market without infringing on tens to hundreds of other patents.
As an investor I'd worry a lot about any of the owners of any of those patents deciding to end my investment.
It would be possible to build a non-confrontational system that accomplishes what some want the patent system t
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As most software incorporates many functions, any of which may or may not be patented, patents are a net liability for any startup. Even if they may have one or two, chances are high that their idea cannot be usefully brought to market without infringing on tens to hundreds of other patents.
Remember that a patent just enables you to have a courtcase. It doesn't enforce itself. You can infringe on as many patents as you like while you're poor, you only ever have to worry about them when you've got enough money to be sued.
Which is why the original idea in TFA is a bit crap, as most FOSS projects don't have the kind of money or organisation that can be sued for large lumps of cash, so they can effectively infringe whatever they like.
And it's also why patents are useless for protecting small compa
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If you go to any of these conferences or read op eds and especially blogs you'l see it's lawyers who are attempting to defend software patents, going to conferences and it's lawyers who are employed in the
What is the history? (Score:2)
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I am not sure what an 'open slather' is, but it wasn't that long ago in the US that there were NO software patents. Is this what the software market was like back then? Was there more or less innovation compared to now? I am interested if anyone knows of a useful comparison, especially after the ridiculous Microsoft v. Motorola case
As if madness ruled everywhere outside the US where there are NO software patents.
The Big Problem with Software Patents is... (Score:3, Insightful)
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For example?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuercpnVKtI [youtube.com]
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Did someone patent using paragraphs and you decided to work around that by TYPING WORDS IN CAPS? It won't work...
uhh? defensive patents = offensive = good? (Score:5, Insightful)
if you want to ensure it's free - why the fuck just not release it?
just release the damn thing. it's prior art after that.
if you assemble a patent portfolio and assign them to an "open source" company, that company might be bought and the patents used to force forks to die. that's the only thing the patents could be used apart from using them in suits against commercial competitors(just purely offensive or for defensive if getting sued by said commercial competitor).
the business week article in one of the linked articles is dead btw. some guy who netted 300+ mil from having a patent thinks sw patents are good? news?
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Is there prior art in Australian law?
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Yes.
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May Be Better. But Open Still Means Open (Score:5, Insightful)
a world without software patents would be 'open slather for anybody who can just go faster than the next person.'
Well, yes -- that is pretty much the essential nature of "Open." Anyone who has the skill, time, and energy can build whatever they want, even if it is based on someone else's work. It has its ups and downs, but saying the software world would be more Open if it were more restrictive is an internally inconsistent statement. It is logically self-contradictory.
There are those who believe that using the system against itself is better than changing the system. Some believe the GPL is better than would be the elimination of software copyright. I actually fall into this camp (though I do believe in reducing the strength and duration of patent and copyright). But it would not be more Open. Open has some shortcomings, and that may lead a rational person to believe that absolute Open-ness is less efficient than some degree of Closed-ness. But that does not mean you can redefine Open to mean partially Closed. Just say you believe in a balance between Open and Closed. It's OK to believe in shades of gray.
Not every question demands an absolutist answer, but rational discourse does rely on words like Open having a clear and unequivocal meaning in a given context. Dilute your hard-core ideology, not the terminology you use to describe it.
Missing freedom (Score:2, Interesting)
The problem with patents is that it at the core cuts one human freedom, the freedom to think, and open source is all about freedom. Given one problem, you won't be able to solve it in the ways you think if those paths are being taken by patents all around the field. If i want to go to the second floor, i could build stairs, or an elevator, climb, and a few more options, if all those solutions (or close/similar enough) are patented, you can't solve that problem, no matter how you indepently got that solution
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Software patents cover ideas, not specific implementations. You can come up with a more efficient implementation if you want, but it the US, I believe it infringes on the patent. That is precisely *why* they are bad. Copyright can be used to cover a specific implementation, and should be.
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Patents aren't supposed to cover ideas but they really do in practice because if you try to re-create a particular sort of device it is up to you to try and convince the clueless trial court that your fundementally difference device is not a patent violation. I believe that companies have already been bit by this very thing with regards to Tivo workalikes. They tried to design around the patents but got declared "in violation" anyways.
Patents aren't supposed to cover "ideas" but they do in practice.
That is
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> This is not an infringement to freedom of thought
Sure it is. You can't use the labors of your own mind because some jackass got a bad patent on something any CIS student could come up with. Bad patents are THEFT. They are theft from you and from me (assuming you are a CS professional).
Software patents allow Apple and friends to claim ownership of things I have created. This isn't just some theoretical idea or academic idea. Someone like Apple or Amazon can sue me for re-implementing some blatantly obvi
The actual arguments (Score:4, Insightful)
Here is the point made:
None of these techniques benefit open source, they only try to limit the damage done by software patents, fighting fire with fire.
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It also ignores one of the fundamental aspects of patents - that is a patent holder of licensee DOESN'T necessarily have the right to practice his invention because it may merely be an improvement on another invention which is patented by another party.
Definition: A patent is a contract between the inventor and the government in which the government grants the patent owner the right to prevent others from practicing his invention in exchange for a full and public disclosure of the best way to practice the i
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Well put. I just want to add that while the first two are just fighting fire with fire, the third point is actually a public benefit of patents.
The stupidity of that third argument is that it is a public benefit of patents for virtually all endeavours except open source. Open source is already open by definition. There is absolutely no additional public benefit to having an invention described in a deliberately confusing, twisted and generic legalese document, when you already have the complete working sour
Not a story (Score:3, Interesting)
The core of the summary is this:
What a joke! Let me guess, Bates wants people to pay him to check patent applications for OSS. Prior art invalidates a patent. Simply publishing or releasing your software open source makes it prior art therefore preventing someone from claiming an "inventive step" - the usual requirement for a patent. Save your money.
Lawyers earn money from software, let's hit back. (Score:1)
If you ask me, an "open slather" (Score:5, Insightful)
... "for anybody who can just go faster than the next person" would be a good thing for software.
Re:If you ask me, an "open slather" (Score:4, Insightful)
There is a word for that in English. What was it? Oh yeah. Competition. That's really bad for incumbent corporations, but good for consumers.
Protect the wealthy (Score:5, Insightful)
All the arguments so far on the benefits of software patents come from the rich.
A man who was award millions of dollars from patents says they are good. Government that makes millions of dollars from patents say they are good!
How does a small , non rich, developer do this, or small open source project get patent protection.
It cost 1000's upon 1000's of dollars just to put in applications. (Not including the legal mumbojumbo and hoops you need to jump through.)
Then when you've blown 80% of your development budget on government fees, the Apple, Oracle or Microsoft types come along and steal your idea anyway, and now you need millions of dollars to fight them in court. (In the mean time they throw their patents at you, ie you used a "software button" or "bouncing icon" etc, so they claim millions of dollars in damages from your $2 company)
Software patent are killing many open source projects and smaller development, limiting innovation in general.
No one can write even the simplest of program without breaching someones so-called patent.
Software should be protected under copyright law, in that the code itself, and the graphics are protected. If someone rewrites software to do exactly the same thing but without using any of the original code then that should be good.
Patents should be only for mechanical physical devices, and even then should only be for a couple of years to give the inventor time to utilise. If they don't then bad luck, its open for all!
In reality small developers have to simply ignore the patent system and hope they aren't targeted by Apple and co if they happen to create something profitable or too popular!
Modern feudalism (Score:2)
Having used up all my karma points yesterday, I can only second this. With one clarification: even for mechanical physical devices contemporary patent system is a scam designed to protect rich crooks / big corps, protect them from competition of small inventors and rip small inventors off their work. Newest "achievments" in patenting-everything-under-the-sun field seem for me even to be designed to block progress, so estabilished big fat corporation would do nothing (except of "cost cutting" a.k.a. external
This story smells funny... (Score:4, Insightful)
There is nothing good about software patents (Score:2)
Even if it were possible to keep track of all software patents the difficulty of writing any program without infringing some patents becomes exponentially harder the more patents there are. Large corporations might still think they can win in this "game", not by not infringing patents but by suing other companies, but even this is becoming a more and more pointless, tyring and expensive strategy. Basically, it just keeps companies from innovating and ties up their resources.
And then, of course, there are ot
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Why does increasing the number of patents make it exponentially harder to avoid infringement?
It's think it was linear at worst, and perhaps sublinear as because the more you work to avoid patents, the more efficient at it you would become.
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Checking is not the big problem - even if its makes it impossible for small firms to write computer programs since the minimum number of patent checker to be able to follow the patents applied to will be too much too handle for a small 1-man firm. Sadly programs like Minecraft that was initially written by 1 person will probably never see the day of light if everyone would do what you suggest.
The bigger problem are code.
Because then you have to rewrite the program to go from A to B. Without patents you can
Moralization (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure, software patents are good for open source, like HIV is good for fidelity.
What sickens me is that people still try to sell their poor ideas with moralization.
Using categories like "good/bad" or "nice/evil" is the typical way it's used.
This way, if you disagree with my opinion, you are "bad/evil", while I'm "nice/good".
BTW, I think that software patents are a huge waste, both of time and money.
All this energy is spent on trying to defend ideas, but ideas are unlimited and patents are limited.
Instead of trying to protect your ideas, try to find new ideas !
Better title: Software patents bad for Australians (Score:5, Informative)
newspeak (Score:2)
later in his talk, he explained how War Is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.
Isn't that the same question as.... (Score:2)
...Isn't fraud good for business?
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If it weren't true, then no one would do it. Look at Mexico. Look at Somolia. Now those are countries where everything has been cleared and businesses can operate with total freedom, and those are the cleanest, safest most technologically advanced countries with the two largest economies in the world.
If businesses want something, in this case software patents, then let them have it . Nothing is worse than non-business people trying to dictate what business should and shouldn't have.
Fuck no - stop the spread of the disease (Score:5, Insightful)
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Open Source will supercede the Patent Office (Score:3)
We just need to be patient, and keep publishing good code.
It takes decades to teach Government new tricks. At this point, it is barely aware that software exists. But, it is learning. It just takes time and lots of informed input.
Judge Alsup (the current judge in Oracle vs Google) is an example for our future. Once Government is seeded with individuals that understand software, we will finally see changes that make sense.
It is inevitable that eventually the Patent Office will acknowledge Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) as a partner. Both have the same general objective: To Advance Art and Science. Patents are an ancient tool. Patents are a poor tool for software. Patents are optimised for the physical world. FOSS is a modern tool that is optimised to properly handle societies need to advance the art and science of Software.
In the field of software, FOSS is a superior solution. FOSS provides all the goals of patents without the enormous costs of patents. FOSS provides: Publication; Implementation; and Motivation. FOSS creates stable and enduring infrastructure. All cheap and self organising. And without a crippling burden on the legal system.
The end-game is certain. Eventually Patents will not constrain FOSS. Probably we will see a statement along the lines of: FOSS has an automatic license to all patents. Therefore FOSS can not be sued for patent infringement. The only bit of uncertainty is the time-frame. It could be decades. It could be centuries.
The future for proprietary software is less simple. Proprietary software appears to be in need of patents. Proprietary software doesn't Publish. Society can't inspect Proprietary implementations. Society can't learn from and extend Proprietary software. And, any Proprietary software infrastructure can vanish in the blink of a vendor's eye. There are good reasons to keep Proprietary Software shackled to the Patent Office.
Miles
Existence proof: we know who is right (Score:2)
I love the way software patents advocates present dystopian hypotheticals as a form of argument when we already KNOW what the world looks like without software patents.
It's a world of Turing Machines (1936) and von Neumann architecture (1945), machine language and assembly language (1951), compilers (1952) and loops and switch and if / then statements and LISP (1958) and packet switching (1960s).
It's a world with operating systems and databases and word processors and spreadsheets and browsers a
Re:Flood the market (Score:5, Funny)
Fairly sure patent applications cost money, so this point is a bit mute.
Yep, it leaves me speechless.
Re:Flood the market (Score:5, Informative)
Fairly sure patent applications cost money, so this point is a bit mute.
Yep, it leaves me speechless.
Yes, he did mean moot, as in irrelevant. We're not all prefect[sic].
Try to let non-essentials slide. There's a lot of people on this planet whose first langauge is not Anglais. Would you prefer to try out your Polish, Cyrillic, Kanji, Thai, ...?
Re:Flood the market (Score:5, Informative)
Dear humor impaired /.er, you should not use 'sic erat scriptum' when you are not quoting anyone, because there was nothing erat scriptum. Also don't mix languages and scripts. My native language isn't English, but that doesn't mean I have a free pass to commit every possible mistake.
Try to let harmless humorous attempts slide, perhaps you'd even have fun.
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He didn't use "sic erat scriptum", you did. He only used "sic", which according to online dictionaries is Latin for "so, thus". The first two dictionaries I referenced came up with slightly different definitions. The first one only applies to quotes, the second one is more general. I'd say his usage is acceptable:
[1] [yahoo.com] "Thus; so. Used to indicate that a quoted passage, especially one containing an error or unconventional spelling, has been retained in its original form or written intentionally."
[2] [merriam-webster.com] "intention
Re:Flood the market (Score:4, Informative)
:)
This reminded me of when a dog is looking for his toy and you point in its direction, and the dog keeps looking at your finger. I better go sleep.
We use lots of Latin expressions because they are useful, have a very strict meaning, and have a usual form. I don't think I've ever read the full "sic erat scriptum", neither "exempli gratia", nor "id est"... et cetera (this is the only one that I remember having read in full). But "so" doesn't make sense alone, it is there to say "and so it was written". Meaning there was something that erat scriptum.
Sic sorry to disappoint you, but "[sic]" is to be used only when quoting, as both definitions you pasted explicitly said.
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...and yet another Slashdot conversation goes straight into the tank because of the grammar police.
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"Scriptum? Damn near killed 'em!"
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You are the one mangling the Latin language, assuming 'sic erat scriptum' when just 'sic' was written. Sic by itself is a perfectly valid Latin word (at least as I recall it from my years of classes).
His joke may not be good, but it's still entirely reasonable to say 'sic', to say he really meant it that way, even when it is a little bit unusual.
Even wikipedia writes about its use in newly generated text:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic#In_newly_generated_text [wikipedia.org]
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Yes, he did mean moot, as in irrelevant. We're not all prefect[sic].
Dear humor impaired /.er ...
I am beginning to despise that saying. Those who use it are a lot less funny than they think they are, and contrary to what you appear to think, not every joke deserves a laugh, or even a chuckle. I'm quite capable of listening to a lot of so-called humourous pronouncements, noticing they're intended as humour, yet not bothering even to snort. I'm a tough audience, as we all should be.
As for "[sic]", isn't it just a bit odd that we're still using that long dead language in the 21st Century, one that's mo
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[...] contrary to what you appear to think, not every joke deserves a laugh, or even a chuckle.
I didn't say every joke deserves a laugh, what I said was not every bad joke deserves to be negatively criticized.
As for "[sic]", isn't it just a bit odd that we're still using that long dead language in the 21st Century, one that's most prolific users these days are lawyers?
May I ask you why you find it odd? I love languages, so perhaps I'm not the right person to ask that question. Also my native language Portuguese is strongly rooted on Latin. And my field of study, neuroscience, is filled with ganglia, girii, nuclei, fasciculi, etc... mostly Latin and some Greek. Lawyers are only more visible because they indistinctly f**k with the lives of everyone. [<--- wa
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contrary to what you appear to think, not every joke deserves a laugh, or even a chuckle.
I didn't say every joke deserves a laugh, what I said was not every bad joke deserves to be negatively criticized.
Hey, don't stick that on me. I was the one who simply agreed that the GP intended moot instead of mute. I wasn't criticizing. Besides, critiquing something doesn't mean negativity.
... isn't it just a bit odd that we're still using that long dead language in the 21st Century ...
May I ask you why you find it odd? I love languages, so perhaps I'm not the right person to ask that question. Also my native language Portuguese is strongly rooted on Latin.
So's English. We steal from everyone. John Cabot == Jean Cabot == Giaccomo Caboto (Portuguese!). I love languages too, but they can often seem of little worth except to serve as a barrier to entry into a discipline. Presumably, the whole point is to communicate, but using arcane stuff like ancient Greek symbology to teach m
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Why ancient Greek symbology?
Because even with capitialization, bars, accents and so on, 26 letters just isn't enough. And overloading those 26 would make things more confusing, not less. We also use a few other ancient symbols, although aleph is the only one that jumps to mind right now.
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Why ancient Greek symbology?
Because even with capitialization, bars, accents and so on, 26 letters just isn't enough.
Don't get me wrong. I think it's beautiful (a nicely formed equation, that is).
Still, it's too damned opaque. Only "the initiated" get it. Morons should be able to look at it and have a chance to understand it. We all complain that not enough of "us" get this stuff, but if it's phrased in a language that's foreign to mortals, is that any surprise?
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I turns out that Slashdot does not support the Cyrillic language anyway.
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I turns out that Slashdot does not support the Cyrillic language anyway.
Slashdot's an equal opportunity mangler. I've seen lots of plain English mangled into line noise. Windows' apostrophes (open and close quotes), or Macs, or Unicode? Dunno.
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"If the job is done"
Quite a big "if".
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"If the job is done"
Quite a big "if".
It depends on the intended goal of the user. Language's true value is for communicating ideas and information. However, it can also be used to entertain, show off, humiliate, and abuse. As everyone knows, "We've always been at war with ..." Doesn't mean it's true, or actually reflects reality.
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"It depends on the intended goal of the user."
Which only makes the "if" even bigger.
"Language's true value is for communicating ideas and information"
So if doesn't get to this, it's a failure.
"However, it can also be used to entertain"
Never got a failured joke?
"show off, humiliate, and abuse."
Doesn't hurt he who wants to, but he who can, etc. This thread started with someone lessening value to some other's failure to comunicate -on the premise that as long as the intend is achieved is all well and good. I
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It depends on the intended goal of the user.
Which only makes the "if" even bigger.
If the user intended to communicate, and they had any amount of competence, their intent would be clear (barring language difficulties), yes? If they intended otherwise (ie., show off, humiliate, or abuse), that too should be clear, oui?
So if doesn't get to this, it's a failure.
I suspect English is not your first language, correct? Yet I think I understand you. It takes two to communicate. Someone yesterday offered the example of two people in a bar. You smile at her, she smiles back. Request to send, clear to send, ... Great analogy. :-)
Never got a failured joke?
QED
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Yes Patent applications cost money. Home much money will one loose as an opportunity cost developing hours of their life in create an open source program?
Creating software isn't cheap. If you are doing something new and unique your group should find a way to get the money to patent the idea so your group can control who uses the idea. Now those big corps may have to pay you to use your patented code. Which you can put right back into supporting your project.
Re:Flood the market (Score:4, Insightful)
Quick patent every silly software idea you have so the big corps cant!
How's that supposed to happen when most is clone of software that already exists?
FTFY.
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A bit trollish, but you're probably right.
Look at this and learn. This is how astroturfers' "responses" to themselves look like.
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Actually, no, that wasn't me. I know you probably won't believe me, and I totally understand that, but I do have a history of arguing with the moderators instead of trying to bump up my ambient rightness.
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"The purpose of a patent is to protect the idea from being stolen"
No, it is not.
Currently, patents are widly used to protect the idea. That's neither the intent nor the purpose of patents. Patents' purpose is to protect a given practical implementation of an idea, making at the same time the idea by means of its practical implementation, well, patent (as in publicly reacheable just going to the patent office and reading the patent description) to anybody.
Oh! and, by the way, ideas can't be stolen, they ar
Re:Stallman is anti-freedom (Score:4, Informative)
Stallman may disagree, but he has shown the world how to write a "free" software license GPL3 that's so restrictive nobody in industry wants to use it.
Yes, he may indeed disagree but nothing in the summary (or the links) says whether he does or not.
The rather torturous sentence "Software developer Ben Sturmfels, whose 2010 anti-software-patent petition won the support of open source community members such as Jonathan Oxer, Andrew Tridgell, and software freedom activist Richard Stallman, disagreed." is only saying that Ben Sturmfels disagrees. It says nothing about the views of anyone else mentioned there.
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Stallman may disagree, but he has shown the world how to write a "free" software license GPL3 that's so restrictive nobody in industry wants to use it.
Shavano (2541114) may disagree with Stallman but Shavano hasn't really done much of anything worth mentioning at all.
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Stallman may disagree, but he has shown the world how to write a "free" software license GPL3 that's so restrictive nobody in industry wants to use it.
Shavano (2541114) may disagree with Stallman but Shavano hasn't really done much of anything worth mentioning at all.
Sez Anonymous Coward. I'm wounded, really: your disdain was so biting I think I'm going to need surgery.
Re:Stallman is anti-freedom (Score:4, Informative)
Stallman is not mentioned in the article. He's just mentioned in the slashdot description as additional click-bait.
The person we should be talking about is this "inventor" Ric Richardson. This guy patented the free trial/shareware/try and buy concept that required a unique unlock code to activate its software. In 1993, this concept may have been novel (perhaps, thought I doubt it), but the fact that the patent was granted at all is ridiculous.
Since some magazines were already distributing freeware inside of floppy disks with their magazines, it's not much of a stretch to think that it was just a matter of time that a number of those developers would start distributing shareware-like software that required an unlock code to activate it.
And I don't know if this guy got all the money he wanted out of it, since the verdict was overturned so many times over these last twenty years, but this guy's patent is the perfect example of a stupidly obvious idea that's only designed to stifle innovation, not promote it in any way.
Re:Stallman is anti-freedom (Score:5, Informative)
It wasn't. I can remember trying shareware back in the mid '80s that had limited functionality until you paid for it and entered the code. Sometimes, instead of that, the code unlocked addtional features that the authors hoped were worth the cost.
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"This guy patented the free trial/shareware/try and buy concept"
If that was really the case, it would be another case of a void patent.
Concepts are not patent subjects.
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It's restrictive on purpose and those restrictions are exactly why people in the industry, including myself, use it. The GLP slogan is "Free as in Freedom" for a reason, and its "infectuous" nature is great for preserving that. On top of that it's extremely clever in changing how copyright works - retaining rights to grant different licenses to the actual author/rights holder of the software while effectively nullifying copyright on the base distrobution. That means anybody who wants to use GPL source close
Re:Stallman is anti-freedom (Score:4, Interesting)
Stallman may disagree, but he has shown the world how to write a "free" software license GPL3 that's so restrictive nobody in industry wants to use it.
Stallman's not a gawd. He has come up with some brilliant ideas. No, I don't agree with him on most things (especially politics), but wrt proprietary protocols, he's bang on! Lawyers and tort law flaws are destroying the US. RMS is the bleeding edge of reform of both. He points the way that you ought to go.
I don't care what he smells like or what he has between his toes. On the things he cares about, usually he's right. He's Arisotelian ("things as they could, and should, be"), which is all I ask of anybody. YMMV, and if so you suck, IMO.
Rock on Richard. Give 'em hell. No, I won't vote for you. I will follow you.
GNU software is free, not people (Score:5, Interesting)
Stallman may disagree, but he has shown the world how to write a "free" software license GPL3 that's so restrictive nobody in industry wants to use it.
You misunderstand the purpose of the GPL (and I did too until recently). GPL exists to make the software free. Something like BSD is meant to make the people free. Different licenses for different purposes.
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"Something like BSD is meant to make the people free"
Not. The BSD is mean to make *other* people free (abusingly free, I may add, but that's just IMHO).
The original author gains no freedom from the BSD. It gains (basically) free access to published derivations of his work in the case of the GPL, on the other hand.
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Not. The BSD is mean to make *other* people free (abusingly free, I may add, but that's just IMHO).
Right, 'people', not 'person'. The population of the world - 1.
(abusingly free, I may add, but that's just IMHO).
Yep, often times. Freedom allows that.
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"Right, 'people', not 'person'. The population of the world - 1."
It doesn't look too much different when you say it that way. But once you consider it is that just one what made the software be to start with... yes it still is 1 versus 7.000.000.000 (minus one), but it is the one that makes the difference.
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Until thugs like the BSA come knocking on their door, that it.
And they tend to knock rather loudly.
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Instead your freedom will be spent building walls and training dogs to guard your belongings.
No-one is taking anything away from you, with that level of ridiculousness you might as well get on the *AA bandwagon of everything that is copied is stolen.
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Yes. Patents are generally bad. This idea needs to gain more traction. The idea that "patents are good" is actually very harmful.
It encourages people to treat toxic waste like it's candy.