Fedora 18 To Feature the GNOME2 Fork MATE 202
dsinc writes "It's not just Mint: Fedora will also feature MATE in their upcoming release (Fedora 18). According to Fedora's Dan Mashal, 'many users have expressed interest in this feature since Fedora 15 in which Fedora was switched from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3.'"
This follows shortly after news that MATE 1.4 has been released. New features includes file sharing over bluetooth, updated backends for mate-keyring and libmatekeyring, new themes for the notification daemon, and improvements to the Caja file manager. MATE is being included in Sabayon as well.
Way to go. (Score:5, Insightful)
Too many people have problems with GNOME 3. Good to have a choice.
Re:Way to go. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Way to go. (Score:4, Interesting)
Fragmentation is only bad when we have something everyone already likes and the fragmentation breaks it. Say, for example, a whole project kind of splits up and each goes in a separate direction which are both different from the original direction. Usually everyone loses in that case.
But when a single choice is made to change which most people simply hate, it's bad too. It's not fragmentation but it's still bad for the users and bad for the project.
In the end, it's the interests of the users which make or break a project. People treat projects and children similarly and it's a damned shame. "My child!" "My Project!" "I can do with it what I want!" Wrong. You can't and you shouldn't. It's a community thing and the community has an interest in the results of your work.
lets hope ubuntu fallows (Score:2)
. i have been running mate on ubuntu through a ppa but mainline support or even a full spin like xfce and kde have would be nice. hmm Mubuntu?
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Maybe Cinnabuntu with Cinnamon desktop? Sounds tasty!
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Cinnabuntu sounds quite good... better than cubuntu (be very careful with that spelling now!)
However, putting a different front end on top of Ubuntu seems to be self-defeating, the whole point of Ubuntu is that is an all-in-one supported-with-default options thing. If you want configurability, there are plenty of alternatives. Ubuntu is a kind of 'Windows for the linux world' and tries to ape the things that made Windows popular.
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what are you babbling about, there is Xubuntu and Kubuntu already
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I know there is, I'm saying its probably a bad idea, especially as kubuntu is not supported by Canonical [arstechnica.com].
Hence my point, if you want to use Ubuntu, stick with the 'official' flavour only. If you want a non-Unity flavour, go with a different distro. Ubuntu wants to be a pre-packaged Linux, let it be.
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we could call it Linux Mint 13 (Maya) with Cinnamon.
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Funny
Gnome 3 caused me to move to Windows 7 and it was a paradise in comparison. At least I can do the very advanced task of unmaximizing a freaking Window.
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You mean you never worked out how to unmaximise a window in Gnome 3? It's the opposite of maximising - drag the title bar to the top of the screen and the window will snap to maximised, drag the window away from the top and it will snap back to its previous size. It's really simple and actually discoverable, unlike some other things in Gnome 3.
https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet [gnome.org]
"Window maximizing and tiling: You can maximize a window by dragging it to the top edge of the screen. Alternatively, you
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Wow
If I have to look up a cheat sheet to do such a basic task it is a failure. You can't expect an average Joe to figure this out and learn a new way one the other one works just fine. Same reason they usually prefer XP over win 7 still just because it is familiar more than the fact it is 10 years old.
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There's no need to actually consult the cheat sheet. It's actually signposted in the UI: when dragging, if the pointer approaches a window edge, blue shading appears indicating the shape the window will snap to - I'm fairly sure this is the way Windows does it as well.
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All high productivity window managers have instructions, which rock do you live under again?
What? You thought people running xmonad know how to use it without configuring it?
That said a mouse operated window manager certainly does not need you to look up a cheat sheet
but with the complexity that is inherent to all current desktop paradigms it is a boost in efficiency if
one is readily available to the newbies. Ubuntu cleverly mapped theirs to the super key and I fail to
understand what is taking the gnome fol
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https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet
"Window maximizing and tiling: You can maximize a window by dragging it to the top edge of the screen. Alternatively, you can double-click the window title. To unmaximize, pull it down again. By dragging windows to the left and right edges of the screen you can tile them side by side. "
That's based on a fully erroneous beliefs that people have only one monitor, don't want to place any window near the edges, and like full screen and tiling (i.e no z order) like on a mobile phone.
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I have two monitors (of differing resolutions). I like to place windows near the edge sometimes. The tiling and maximising features only activate if the pointer goes within about 20 pixels of the screen edge, which is easily avoided if your intention is to push a window to the edge rather than tile it. You can also send windows to the back by middle-clicking on the titlebar, which I find useful with focus-follows-mouse and no click-to-raise. Both Alt-Tab/button-above-tab or the expose view work for switchin
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You're gonna love Windows 8 then :)
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What? you switched of linux because one among may dozens of DE's fubared their desktop when a better one was a few clicks away? i mean sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop OR xfce4 OR any-of-a-bajilion-other-DE's.
It makes since switching from windows over gui problems because there are no other easy/reasonable options not so much once you are already on linux. on linux gui fixs are no big deal unless you have to manually monkey with X-config
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I must agree. My Asus netbook needed upgrading from Ubuntu Netbook Remix, and after trying everything I settled on Gnome 3 because of how efficient and elegant the window display and task switching is.
I considered this such a success I setup one of my main dev boxes with Gnome 3 (and big double monitors). It took a *little* getting used to, moving from 'traditional' window GUIs, but having taken a small investment in getting used to things, I appreciate again the efficient window display and task management
Splendid decision (Score:5, Insightful)
I was disheartened with the shipwreck that Gnome 3 decided to become, so MATE was a very positive development. And while I'm not a Fedora user (just not my cup of tea), it's a very popular distro, and seeing them adopt MATE added a huge momentum to the project (a bit like when IBM adopted Java - it boosted it enormously).
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(just not my cup of tea)
I see what you did there.
(The namesake of MATE) [wikipedia.org]
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Have you actually tied the "Gnome Classic" mode? It is made of regressions. The first few things I tried: putting most used menu items on the panel (right-click on it in the menu). Oops, can't do anything with menu items anymore. Oh, and the panel itself is gone, too.
The next thing I tried, was finding out why RhythmBox doesn't show up in the tray like it was configured to. The answer? No more tray, it has been removed "because programs abused it" -- even though the only case of abuse I remember was R
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who uses instant messengers these days
I do.
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In Gnome Classic, the panel is still there. You have to hold down Alt when dragging menu items onto it. Dumb decision, but it does still work.
The tray is gone, but it has been replaced with the "Indicator Applet". Add one of those to your panel, and Rhythmbox will show up under the audio menu.
If you run notify-osd, all alerts go to that - they appear on my screen in a black bubble that appears in the top-right and then disappears after a few seconds. I may be running a patched version, however, I can't reme
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Actually the one in Debian/Ubuntu is usable, it's closer to Gnome 2 than XFCE is.
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No. It's not. You may be fine with moving your mouse to opposite ends of the screen frequently, but I'm not. My first experiences with it involved installing it on a laptop and I forgot to bring a mouse. Try that with a touchpad for a few hours and you'll realize that "hey, maybe this isn't good for EVERYONE."
Gnome shell forgot some things and forgot that it's not all about tablets and touch screens... and definitely not all about mousing with lots of desktop spaces.
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You could always press the Super/"windows" key or whatever itls labelled on your keyboard. Gets you to the overview without needing to lift your hands off the keyboard - pretty much everything in gnome-shell can be done with keyboard shortcuts, often the same shortcuts that worked in Gnome 2 (ctrl-alt-up/down arrow to switch workspaces for example).
To launch an application, I press Super, type the first few letters of the program name (or what it does, like "mail", which gets me Thunderbird), hit Enter and
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You could always press the Super/"windows" key or whatever itls labelled on your keyboard. Gets you to the overview without needing to lift your hands off the keyboard - pretty much everything in gnome-shell can be done with keyboard shortcuts, often the same shortcuts that worked in Gnome 2 (ctrl-alt-up/down arrow to switch workspaces for example).
To launch an application, I press Super, type the first few letters of the program name (or what it does, like "mail", which gets me Thunderbird), hit Enter and go. Much quicker than the Gnome 2/Windows way of clicking Applications, mousing down to the correct sub-menu, and selecting from there.
thats the problem. Gnome 3 is built for touch screens but you need a keyboard shortcut for everything does that not mean that said touchscreen useless? and if you are telling all of the linux users to use a keyboard shortcut for everything why not use a terminal instead or a window manager like awesome where it is all keyboard driven anyway? desktops are primarily controlled by mice with the data entered by keyboard. not the other way around.
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What do you mean, move your mouse to opposite ends of the screen?
Ctrl+Alt+[up|down] - swap virtual desktops. Because it's faster than tap top left, hit page down... or top left, roll mouse wheel over desktops on the right.. or, really, I tap top left and use Ctrl+Alt+[up|down] to move between desktops.
Tap top-left, start typing - search. Yes there's a search box... you don't have to use it.
And why are you whining about touch pads? I'm using a 24 inch wide screen monitor here and a mouse can go top l
NOT for touch screens (Score:5, Informative)
For people who like their desktop to have familiar features rather than being dumbed down for touch screens?
There is no way Gnome 3 is designed for touch screens. Or at least, not for touchscreen-only computers. I use Fedora 17 on a pen-based computer (fujitsu stylistic) and I can tell you that if it were not for the fingerprint reader on it, Fedora would be *UNUSABLE*. Whenever Gnome 3 needs a password to connect to WiFi or to unlock the screen or unlock following suspend, THERE IS NO WAY TO ENTER THE PASSWORD! The password windows captures all mouse input so it is NOT possible to bring up an onscreen keyboard.
So lets stop pretending Gnome 3 shell is for tablet-type computers. It CANNOT BE USED ON A COMPUTER WITHOUT A KEYBOARD.
Oh, and when one IS able to use the on-screen keyboard, it has is no tilda (~) character. Not that you would ever need to type a tilda on a unix-like operating system.
I've filed bugs on all these complaints, but there has been no action.
Are you listening Gnome team?
Re:NOT for touch screens (Score:4, Interesting)
I suppose they THINK they are developing for touch screen devices. But they are fooling themselves. I ran into the problems I described within the first 2 minutes of using Gnome 3 on a touch-screen-only device.
That tells me that not one gnome shell developer runs Gnome 3 on a touch-screen-only device. Not one. Seriously. Because if there was such a developer, he or she would have run across the same problem within the first two minutes of use. Connect to encrypted WiFi? Can't be done without a keyboard. Resume from suspend? Again, can't be done without a keyboard. Type a tilda? Can't do it without a keyboard or a third-party on-screen keyboard program.
These aren't subtle little use-cases hiding in the corners. These are major problems that ANYONE attempting to use Gnome 3 on a touch-screen device will run into within the first couple of MINUTES of use. These are problems that the Gnome developers know about (because I have reported them) and that they have refused to address. They don't even comment on the bugs. They just let them sit. For years.
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I just got a picture in my mind of a cube-farm full of win8 devs feverishly trying to write an OS on tablets with no keyboard or mouse!
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Whether or not GNOME3 is or isn't any good is really pretty irrelevant.
The only meaningful thing here is how you can't just take a legacy system upgraded to the latest version of GNOME and just run the old apps as they were. The old stuff should not have been messed with. They should be able to run unmodified. They can't. That's the real nonsense here.
GNOME2 had to be forked to deal with that nonsense and it really wasn't necessary. A lot of effort has gone into getting MATE rolling that shouldn't have been
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Yes, MATE is stuck with an obsolete version of GTK+. Similarly the KDE fork, Trinity, is stick with an obsolete version of Qt.
That's the trade-off of progress over backwards compatibility.
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except mate plans to eventually move on to the gtk3 framework.
Re:Splendid decision (Score:4)
I was able to convert a few from Unity
Must have been hard...
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For me, Alt+Tab is completely unusable!. The rest I could live with (except for unity's global menu bar).
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When Gnome 3 was first announced, I read the description of how it was going to work and knew, right then, that it wasn't for me. It wouldn't do things the way I like, it was expected to insist on doing things I didn't want and was almost completely unconfigurable without (potentially) unreliable third-party extensions. If I'd have known more about MATE then, I probably would have migrated to it. As it
But wait... (Score:5, Funny)
Seadog 19 will feature Matey, the DE that comes with a talking parrot (but doesn't support 3D).
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No he's probably an experienced FOSS developer. And the package name for the parrot will be Polly, and the library for it will be Crackers.
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One of the (Few) things I hate about OSS is the naming.. the name of the program shouldn't be so obscure that even most nerds would have to look it up.. it should be a simple and intuitive title that describes the software's purpose.
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yeah, but those are niche applications, right? I'm talking about clicking start on a linux desktop and not having a clue what an 'ekiga' is.
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Many users manage to make use of Windows Explorer despite the fact that few of them seem to know the actual program name.
Even more interesting when they don't see the obvious analogy with the naming of Internet Explorer vs WIndows Explorer.
Perhaps supporting R100/R200 was a good idea... (Score:5, Interesting)
Given how many decent, albeit old, chips covered by the Gnome 3 blacklist - this shouldn't be a surprise.
In addition, not much was ever said about the blacklist other than "R100/R200/$chip just can't handle it" without specifying how something that worked in Gnome 3.0 didn't work in later versions. The excuse generally has been along the lines of "STFU and enjoy the fallback, since your chip is too old" without a reasonable explanation of why it even happened. Never mind that Gnome 3 goes out of its way to make sure a blacklisted chipset stays in fallback to the best of its ability - without any opportunity to override.
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And a round of slow clapping began.... (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you for the outbreak of common sense from the Fedora team. I've been using KDE since Gnome 3 arrived.
Kind of sems like a step backwards. (Score:4, Insightful)
If you take away Gnome 3 and Unity you will lose alot of new linux users. New users want something cool and flashy not something that looks like a clone of Windows from years past.
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Says you. You must be some part-time home-hobby geek or something.
The rest of us who actually work every day with linux on our desktops just want to get our work done and want to be able to do things without 17 mouse movements all over the desktop trying to make a mouse emulate a touch-screen.
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Re:Kind of sems like a step backwards. (Score:5, Insightful)
They should work on getting the kinks out instead of trying to go back in time or trying to be a crappy Mint wannabe with no codecs.
GNOME 3 doesn't have "kinks", it has major usability regressions. They can't be "gotten out", they must be destroyed.
New users want something cool and flashy not something that looks like a clone of Windows from years past.
Only if you want all your new users to be teenage kids.
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why mint is a stable debian derivative. it is more secure than windows and free so they aren't paying for a license with your money?
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Remember that Fedora is the testing grounds for RHEL.
Without Mate RHEL would have to go to Gnome3 in the next major release. The user base would not accept the usability issues.
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I always assumed people wanted a piece of software that worked, and did what you want from it. If a desktop operating system can't do simple tasks that a normal user is assustomed to, then it is a failure.
From a personal value judgement, if you have to sacrafice functionality (regarless of if its the way YOU work) for a design philosophy, you'ew probably going to alienate a ton of people who will abandon your endeavors. There are many many reasons for 'new' Linux users that have nothing to do with crazy odd
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f**k me, you're saying the software is there for the benefit of its users and no the other way round?!!?!?!!
no way! As if! inconceivable!
Re:Kind of sems like a step backwards. (Score:5, Informative)
Eh? No one's removing Gnome 3 from Fedora. MATE is being added as an extra desktop environment. Gnome 3 will still be the default. This is an additional feature, not a replacement.
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Eh? No one's removing Gnome 3 from Fedora. MATE is being added as an extra desktop environment. Gnome 3 will still be the default.
Not for long if they can't get it to work reliably and identically across different platforms and hardware.
Remember who foots the bill - me and thousands of other Red Hat Enterprise Linux customers who each put thousands of dollars into Red Hat every year. We expect RHEL 7 and 8 to be based on stable versions of Fedora that actually work, consistently and identically for all our machines, whether they be workstations with super graphics cards and quad monitors or servers with low-end graphics serving remot
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it's possible to have aesthetics without compromising functionality, but that's not what these new interfaces do (gnome 3/unity/metro/windows phone/ios'd osx etc). they sacrifice functionality (lots of it) for the sake of looks and a flat learning curve.. the problem is that flat learning curves come with flat power curves. it doesn't need to be either extreme, just a sane default in the middle somewhere, with extensibility/configurability to get it where the user needs it.
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We're all missing the point (Score:2, Informative)
This is being blown way out of proportion. We're all acting like this means that Fedora is dropping GNOME 3 for MATE or something crazy like that. From what I can tell they're simply just porting the packages to Fedora, nothing more. Maybe they'll offer a version with MATE as the default configuration, but this doesn't show any signs of replacing GNOME 3 in the future. Lets be realistic and read the articles, folks.
Also, unrelated, but I feel like the GNOME 3 hate is really blown out of proportion. Sure, so
Re:We're all missing the point (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, unrelated, but I feel like the GNOME 3 hate is really blown out of proportion. Sure, some users were driven away, but the exact same thing happened with GNOME 2 and people called it trash and crap and whatever else. By the time that GNOME 3 is mature and more stable, it will have a large userbase again. I can guarantee it. I, personally, really love it as it is, especially how easily extensible it is. I don't know another desktop that allows so many customization options through extensions like that. You can really change near everything with a little tweak and you can write one yourself in minutes.
That's bullshit - I was there when Gnome 2 was born. There were some critics, but nowhere near the backlash that accompanies Gnome 3.
Your post reminds me exactly of the Windows Vista apologists: they would say things like "When Windows XP came out, there were just as many people who hated it. like the ones who hate Vista. In the end, it will be a success like XP." Turns out, all those apologists were full of shit, and Vista really is the turd that everybody thought it was.
Re:We're all missing the point (Score:5, Funny)
FTFY
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Vista wasn't crap, though. For me it was perfectly usable. It had a few quirks here and there but doesn't every OS? Not only that but what's so bad about liking GNOME 3?
Oh, and could you please use more profanity? You're coming off as too mature for me to handle.
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By the time that GNOME 3 is mature and more stable, it will have a large userbase again.
Man, that's a terribly bad way to manage a large software project.
I, for one, wish my Linux desktop environment had less "throw it all out and start over" regressions
I'd like to see more carefully planned upgrades that have less breakage while still moving forward in smaller increments.
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Also, unrelated, but I feel like the GNOME 3 hate is really blown out of proportion. Sure, some users were driven away, but the exact same thing happened with GNOME 2 and people called it trash and crap and whatever else.
And they were right.
I have been using GNOME since GNOME 1 times, and I think for former GNOME users the GNOME 3 fiasco is not something unexpected, it is a logical outcome of the overall trend in GNOME development.
I remember Sawmill/Sawfish being replaced by Metacity, which even in the latest GNOME 2 releases was not able to do things which were supported in Sawfish since day 1 and still are.
I remember Galeon being pushed out of GNOME and replaced by Epiphany (seriously, did anybody used Epiphany?), and aga
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Also, unrelated, but I feel like the GNOME 3 hate is really blown out of proportion. Sure, some users were driven away, but the exact same thing happened with GNOME 2 and people called it trash and crap and whatever else. By the time that GNOME 3 is mature and more stable, it will have a large userbase again. I can guarantee it. I, personally, really love it as it is, especially how easily extensible it is. I don't know another desktop that allows so many customization options through extensions like that. You can really change near everything with a little tweak and you can write one yourself in minutes.
I didn't even notice when Gnome 2 took over.
Unlike Gnome 3, it didn't remove about 4 major desktop features that I use all day long each and every day with no way to restore them.
Sensationalist: it's just packaging (Score:2)
Fedora is going to continue to be a Gnome 3 distro. They are not doing anything special with Mate, they are just going to package it for people that wants to install it.
Since when packaging something is newsworthy?
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Mate will be the default in one of the next Fedora releases, in preparation for RHEL7.
Mark my words.
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Since when packaging something is newsworthy?
Since couple of weeks ago [slashdot.org]... :)
Car analogy (Score:4, Insightful)
The vehicle driving interface have not changed much in the last 80 years or so. This has not stopped us to innovate vehicles. Imagine that every 10 years or so, car manufacturers decided that a steering wheel and pedals are out of fashion and should be replaced by something fundamentally different.
The mess we have today in many fields is related to our priorities as a specie. We placed eyecandy before efficiency and this means we place a tremendous amount of energy in entertainment, games and trendy gadgets that sole goals are to steer attention away from real problems by having an entertainment industry so huge.
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Let's be honest: steering wheels, pedals and levers should have been replaced by now.
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should implies a better alternative.. what is that?
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I think you just answered your own question
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* the introduction of windshield wipers and mirrors and headlights
Headlights were invented long before the automobile.
You're allowed to have an opinion on Gnome, even if your car analogy is a bad analogy.
Indeed it is. Gnome shell is like having a car with the steering wheel is in the glove box, and you can look out either a window or a mirror, but not both at the same time.
The dashboard is much prettier though, without all the instruments and that pesky steering wheel.
Other distros (Score:2)
Perhaps this will serve as a wake-up-call to other distros (*cough* ubuntu *cough*).
New shinies are nice. Choice is better.
So in OSS (Score:2)
its good to fork once in a while to keep the projects momentum going and bring in new blood?
I Use Gentoo Linux... (Score:2)
....so looking forward to using MATE when it's finished compiling some time in 2014. :-)
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....so looking forward to using MATE when it's finished compiling some time in 2014. :-)
That is just 1.5 Grateful Dead songs away!
Debian? (Score:3)
Where is Debian? I still don't see Mate in the standard repos, let alone as an installation option (or, preferably, the default.)
I've been running XFCE4 for a while but, frankly, the longer I use it the more issues I find. Like VNC and NX interoperability, or the infamous xfce4-terminal hang that just caused me to lose some work last night.
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Someone brought up the possibility of mate in debian but debian doesn't like code duplication (it's not exactly forbidden but it's strongly discouraged). It could still happen of course but if and when it does it will be controversial.
For debian i386 and amd64 users the mate guys offer packages but users of other debian architectures are less lucky.
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If RedHat bets on it (and I think they will for RHEL) then it will not just survive.
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RedHat is not a tablet OS and they've had Gnome2 for years. Switching to Gnome3 would alienate most users. Unless the Gnome project gets its act together and delivers a usable GUI (one that supports server hardware, i.e. primitive unaccelerated graphics) it will never make it into RHEL.
What about Trinity for KDE v3.5.10 users? (Score:2)
Trinity [trinitydesktop.org]. Not everyone likes KDE v4. :P
I guess some things never change (Score:2)
Desktop environments and toolkits have been horribly fragmented on *NIX systems since the beginning of X. I guess the Linux community is just carrying on that grand tradition.
I've been a GNOME (on Ubuntu) user for about 4 years, and was more or less planning to migrate to KDE when I finally upgrade to 12.04 as I really detest Unity and GNOME 3 just feels incomplete. I've also considered XFCE... I guess I really ought to give MATE a closer look too.
Who cares, XFCE works (Score:2)
> Not having switched to XFCE4 long ago due to GNOME being a complete failure
come on, guys. Really?
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A thousand developers all going a thousand different directions.
And after a thousand compilations each day and after a thousand days, we will end up with the most beautiful [wikimedia.org] Desktop Environment ever!
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1. they dont' want input from users. they don't want users tweaking its innards. users are expected to update their workflows and expectations to the 'one true path.'
2. sure there is. if gnome 3 is going the flat-learning-curve/flat-power-curve route...
3. no they couldn't, well, not as easily. gnome2 is say 90% of what modern users want. it's easier to add the 10% and get it working well, than rewriting half of gnome3 and resyncing their changes with every gnome release.
4. talk to the gnome3 devs.. their d
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because I've used it. it's obvious the thing was meant to be used as is, with very little tweaking.. I've already tried to explain why they don't include the tweak tool. it's for the same reasons microsoft doesn't want you messing with that 'command bar' in windows 7 or the full screen start menu in windows 8 (apple does similar things with osx, to the point of threatening lawsuits against 3rd party skins/hacks). the attitude is 'it's just better, get used to it' rather than 'here's what we think is a sane
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You just made everyones point for them. They should not have to install gnome tweak to bring back basic functionality. We should not have to install extension to make a desktop usable. As for those extension, how do you build them when the api is a moving undocumented target as you yourself admitted? You said your a developer and now have a mess because mate uses gtk2 and gnome uses gtk3, well those are just libraries pick one, you can have both on the same system. that won't even be an issue long because (
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You have been able to use Bluetooth file-sharing in GNOME2 for years now, but that functionality was never actually a part of GNOME2, it was provided by an outside package.
Ah, like Windows then.
If you really are getting higher speeds with Bluetooth than with Wifi then your wireless settings are screwed up or you're having some serious interference.
Well, video streams are fine so it isn't the wifi. My guess is still roadblocks MS put in the OS to require W7pro that Samba hasn't quite gotten past.
You must hav
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Huh? I've been sharing files over bluetooth for a couple of years, in both KDE and Windows. In fact, because of MS's wanting you to not be able to connect to a network without a copy of Win 7 Pro on the network, bluetooth is faster than Samba over wifi! Of course, the Windows machine needs a third-party app to run the bluetooth dongle (kubuntu does not).
I guess I won't be trying this distro out...
Would someone please explain to me why they think that comment is a troll? 100% on-topic, 100% factual, didn't b