Canada's Supreme Court Tosses Viagra Patent For Vagueness 100
Freshly Exhumed writes "In a 7-to-0 decision, the Supreme Court Of Canada has ruled that Pfizer Canada Inc.'s patent on well-known erectile dysfunction remedy Viagra is now invalid due to insufficient information in Pfizer's patent application. The upshot is that competitors can now manufacture cheaper, generic versions of Viagra for sale in Canada."
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All the curlers are gonna rush to the pharmacy. They're all in a hurry, hurry hard!
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Boner jokes in 3...2...1...
The lawyers for Viagra were working pro boner
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Good to see the Supreme Court of Canada has such a firm grasp of patent law.
Whammy (Score:1)
Sounds like there will be some new stiff competition!
A surprising post. (Score:3)
Re:A surprising post. (Score:5, Funny)
Insufficient information (Score:5, Funny)
So the Supreme Court Of Canada found the patent hard to understand.
Re:Maybe they require photos? (Score:5, Informative)
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That section of the patent office must be where dead Organic chemists go when they've been assigned to Hell.
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Re:Insufficient information (Score:5, Informative)
So the Supreme Court Of Canada found the patent hard to understand.
You can believe that if it makes you feel good, but reality says otherwise, that the patent was purposefully obfuscated:
So, no one could "understand" it because they didn't disclose proper information - enough for someone skilled in the profession to create a copy of the drug.
It's a remarkably sensible decision and one that should be applied in US courts - particularly in the current mobile patent war (the part about not being allowed to "game the system").
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I was just making a stupid joke.. I guess I should have said "So the Supreme Court Of Canada found the patent hard. . . to understand."
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I was just making a stupid joke.. I guess I should have said "So the Supreme Court Of Canada found the patent hard. . . to understand."
Oh, fair enough.
Maybe I should have blamed the moderation system -- the mods marked it as +3 Informative as of right now.
Cheers
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mod parent ... er ... up!
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The patent didn't fill in the missing part here:
3. ???
4. profit!
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If the patent isn't understandable by someone proficient in the field, it is invalid. I'd imagine the Supreme court had called up experts.
The radio said - patent described several chemical structures, but neglected part of the process or which one was the final patented product, something along these lines. Which would be unrelated to the hard to understand part.
Re:Insufficient information (Score:4, Informative)
The court ruled that the patent never concretely established this relationship:
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> to ease these hard times
Actually, that sounds like the exact opposite of what they were aiming for...
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No. If you read the details, the issue was the way that the patent described multiple chemicals without narrowing in on exactly which one was the active ingredient. It turns out it's only one of them. In other words, when they filed the patent they didn't know what made it work, or intentionally chose to obfuscate which one made it work. According to the court, it's the latter. That's grounds for invalidating it, especially if it was an intentional thing. No disclosure, no monopoly for you!
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The Supreme Court of Canada is made up of old men who arn't dumb.
Ha! Cheap penis drugs for everyone!
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But they already have socialized medicine⦠aren't they already cheap (i.e. "free")? (Yes, I'm avoiding the fact that it really means everyone ELSE is paying for it. Why people should subsidize ANYTHING relating to other people getting their jollies mystifies me.)
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Medicare in Canada does not provide drugs unless you're in hospital. There is regulated pricing for drugs that keeps the prices reasonable, but that's not subsidization. Canadians have to pay for their drugs.
Health care in Canada is a provincial jurisdiction (the federal government has zero direct influence on health care), and it's not mandatory for a province to offer universal health care. The federal government offers financial incentives to the provinces if their health care system meets certain criter
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Proudly (Score:4, Funny)
Now, if only we looked at Apple's patents then we can really stir some shit up.
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Honey, grab the maple syrup and the cheap viagara. We're celebrating. Now, if only we looked at Apple's patents then we can really stir some shit up.
The "upshot" of which would be an Icecream Sandwich: http://www.gizchina.com/wp-content/uploads/images/apple-android-rival-blow-job-sign-china.jpg [gizchina.com]
Re: Why Bother,,,,, (Score:2)
In unrelated news, Hooter's will now be open for breakfast....
O Canada, we cum on thee... (Score:1, Funny)
Canada: there's a lot of beaver up there.
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Generic name (Score:5, Funny)
Now that there will be generic Viagra, there will be the issue of selecting a generic name. The leading candidate based on Internet searches is "Mycoxaphalin."
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My vote goes to Viagrow.
Re:Generic name (Score:5, Funny)
Penisfillin
Re:Generic name (Score:5, Funny)
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They will be marketed as "AntiFlaccids"
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Fantastic (Score:5, Insightful)
My favourite part of the whole thing:
Damn straight.
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Of course for UK readers what she said could be reinterpreted as:
If there is no quid, then there is no Quid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid [wikipedia.org]
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Now, now, Agent Starling, we understand quid pro quo just fine...
Re:Fantastic-Proper Disclosure (Score:1)
The lawyer speak used for patent applications obscures the technology details.
Proper disclosure for all patents should be sufficient technical detail that the invention can be reproduced. For software patents, source code demonstrating the invention should be supplied.
From the article (Score:2)
Teva challenged the validity of the Pfizer patent, claiming it did not meet the law's disclosure requirements.
Software next (Score:5, Insightful)
It looks like this decision is that a greedy company tried bending the rules and were punished. Normally the sense that I get from situations like these that such judgements don't happen because of the whole corporations are the backbone of the country crap so the punishments are usually a tiny portion of the profits from the misbehavior. To lose the viagra patent ought to deflate their profits in Canada (still can't stop).
This is the magical aspect of modern corporations they think that it is somehow good to work every angle, to twist every law, and bend every regulation. It is almost as if they feel bad about themselves if they aren't screwing someone somehow. This is a perfect case in point. Viagra is the wet dream of any big Pharma (on a roll now) a normal patent would have been solid and made them bazillions of dollars; but no they had to squeeze another nickle or dime out of the patent so they risked it all. Viagra also fell into their lap as it was a crappy heart drug that had an interesting side effect. If I were a major shareholder I would demand that the company reevaluate itself to see if a more ethical approach would result in less overall risk.
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If I were a major shareholder I would demand that the company reevaluate itself to see if a more ethical approach would result in less overall risk.
Well, seeings as how stupid this statement is we can all sleep well knowing you'll never be a major shareholder in any company that can front nearly a billion dollars every time they try to bring a medication to market.
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This is a perfect case in point. Viagra is the wet dream of any big Pharma (on a roll now) a normal patent would have been solid and made them bazillions of dollars; but no they had to squeeze another nickle or dime out of the patent so they risked it all.
I'm sure that Big Pharma has patent lawyers on staff, and that not being explicit enough in this patent saved them nothing. This is more a perfect case in point of "mistake", I think, or "in our opinion", than of some greedy company bending rules. The lawyers almost certainly would have thought they were being explicit enough to meet the rules (because not getting the patent would cost a bundle), and the judges had a differing opinion.
In fact, since there would be a danger of being too vague, and being mo
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The lawyers almost certainly would have thought they were being explicit enough to meet the rules
And that is why you do not yet lawyers write patent applications.
And careful attention to detail is why you don't let anonymous cowards write them either.
But the US Supreme Court doesn't need.... (Score:2)
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To lose the viagra patent ought to deflate their profits in Canada (still can't stop).
Yes of course, if there are more generics made to inflate people's penis, but it's a risky market.
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Now if the US supreme court could apply the same level of common sense and justice to the software patent problem it would be a real turn on (I couldn't help myself).
Maybe you should've read the article rather than rushing to pull out your penis joke. The decision here was that a person of ordinary skill in the art reading the patent wouldn't have known which drug caused erections, and therefore, the patent didn't include enough written disclosure to enable a person of ordinary skill to practice the invention.
That doesn't really apply with software patents, because if you're a programmer who can't follow a flow chart, then you probably don't represent the skill of an o
A hard verdict for Pfizer (Score:4, Funny)
On behalf of all Canadian Men (Score:3)
Re:On behalf of all Canadian Men (Score:4, Funny)
If you Canadians have lost your interest in sex, you could consult your doctor. Pfizer probably a drug for that too.
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Sorry, but straight men would just use other contraception methods instead of going for a fat guy's ass.
Wow, great decision! (Score:2)
I'm excited just thinking about it!
Generic Canadian Pharmacys (Score:2)
So now we will be able to order generic Viagra from Canadian pharmacists. Exactly where and what is the change from things as they are?
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No, that's still a violation of the law in the US. I'm pretty sure that the FDA would have something to say about importing medications from abroad without proper approval. And customs can seize any such shipments.
The FDA may have something to say about it, but AFAIK the US government doesn't choose to make it an issue, probably because they'd then have to defend the fact that the pharma industry gouges US customers with prices that are twice what they charge for export. I'm sure most of the Canadian mail-order pharmacies will sell it to you. I bought lovastatin (generic Lipitor) that way for years (when your drugs are 100% out of pocket, it pays to shop around). They also sold grey-market Lipitor for about 2/3 of
Generics and Legal Challenges (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Generics and Legal Challenges (Score:5, Informative)
However, the Canadian court found that Pfizer had failed to essentially zero in on sildenafil with their claims. When it came down to actually stating that this molecule is the one that lab studies have found treats ED, Pfizer only ever mentions the core skeleton (known as "formula I") and never uniquely identifies sildenafil. It mentions sildenafil (not even by name, only by its R groups) in one claim, but never connects it and only it to ED. The court judgement notes that "formula I" represents 260 quintillion possible compounds, and therefore rejected the patent for vagueness.
Re:Generics and Legal Challenges (Score:4, Funny)
Good, you write the next summary in this field.
Please.
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Last time I have checked, patents cover inventions implemented as devices and methods. Re-use of the same device for a different purpose is not in itself patentable (ex: I can't re-patent LZW algorithm as a new method of storing data in barcodes, even though application is new and algorithm is useful for this purpose).
Re:Generics and Legal Challenges (Score:4, Informative)
For that matter, Viagra itself is also sold in a different dose as Revatio for pulmonary hypertension- I'm pretty sure that Pfizer's "treatment of erectile dysfunction" patent expiring in 2019 does not apply to that product. I will note that these "use patents" are much more likely to be invalidated in court challenges compared to the "composition of matter" patent (it was considered surprising by many observers when Pfizer won their case with Teva in the US last year), but they are out there.
Wait, you're saying this is new? (Score:2)
The upshot is that competitors can now manufacture cheaper, generic versions of Viagra for sale in Canada.
I get email offers on a daily basis from "Canadian Pharmacy" offering to sell me generic Viagra - or Viagra with other ED medications in a "super pack" - all the time. You don't mean to say that some of the email offers I get aren't genuine, do you?
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I get email offers on a daily basis from "Canadian Pharmacy" offering to sell me generic Viagra - or Viagra with other ED medications in a "super pack" - all the time. You don't mean to say that some of the email offers I get aren't genuine, do you?
Well, probably not. But seriously, if you verify a pharmacy through someplace like this [pharmacychecker.com] they'll be for real.
Where's the vague? (Score:1)
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So Now It's Even Cheaper... (Score:2)
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Canadian men don't need that "extra help" comes from those cold winters, it helps with the training.
Great.... (Score:2)
more generic viagra spam in 3...2...
Makes sense for allowing cheap generic viagra,,, (Score:2)
considering the average age of the men in the Supreme Court of Canada is 62.
As you can see, it wasn't so HARD (Score:2)