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27 Reported Killed In Connecticut Elementary School Shooting 2987

Several readers sent word of a shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. According to most reports, 27 people are dead, including 18 children. The alleged shooter is dead, a man in his 20s. He was armed with multiple weapons and may have worn a bulletproof vest. According to CBS, "It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school. Miller reports authorities have an individual in custody who investigators said may be a possible second shooter." (Investigators now say the person being questioned is not a suspect.) One student was quoted as saying, "I was in the gym and I heard a loud, like seven loud booms, and the gym teachers told us to go in the corner, so we all huddled. And I kept hearing these booming noises. And we all started crying." Another, 8 years old, said, "I saw some of the bullets going down the hall and then a teacher pulled me into her classroom."
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27 Reported Killed In Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

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  • It is time. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pitchpipe ( 708843 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @02:53PM (#42289541)
    It is time to amend the 2nd amendment.
    • Re:It is time. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Baloroth ( 2370816 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @03:16PM (#42290107)

      I agree, lets go the Switzerland route and actually require able bodied individuals to own and be trained in firearms. That way, the US too can have one of the lowest firearm crime rates in the world.

      Oh, you meant the other direction, didn't you? Right, because the illegality of gun ownership is going to stop someone who walks into an elementary school and opens fire on kids. Dude will be totally scared of breaking that law, right? I mean, the war on drugs worked so well at stopping people from getting drugs...

      • Re:It is time. (Score:5, Informative)

        by hondo77 ( 324058 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @04:07PM (#42291559) Homepage
        You do know that gun ownership and use is seriously regulated in Switzerland and that they don't have a standing army, right?
        • Re:It is time. (Score:5, Informative)

          by gregstar ( 2614513 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @06:31PM (#42295137)
          Hey I am Swiss. In my country nearly every adult male needs to go 3 weeks every year serve the army until he is 30 years old. In nearly every building basement in my country you will find around 2-3 military assault rifle SIG SG 550. (depends how many man between the age of 18-32 live in the building) It's really difficult to buy a gun, but why would you do that? You can simply use the gun that the state gave you or to your father or brother of break into any building there is you will certainly find a rifle.
        • Re:It is time. (Score:5, Informative)

          by suutar ( 1860506 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @07:10PM (#42295847)
          indeed, Switzerland is probably the textbook example of a well-regulated militia.
      • Re:It is time. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by geekoid ( 135745 ) <<moc.oohay> <ta> <dnaltropnidad>> on Friday December 14, 2012 @05:54PM (#42294281) Homepage Journal

        Yo don't really know what you are tlaking about, do you? Yes, I would LOVE Switzerland level of gun control.

        To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragschein (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.

        So the only people with gun are people in the military, and some people in security. That's it. And the people in the military can't own private guns, unless there job is security.

        You, like every other person who doesn't like gun control, have no facts. And when you do think you have a fact, it is either cherry picked or wrong.

  • impossible (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14, 2012 @02:53PM (#42289543)

    The school is a gun-free campus, plus all visitors have to register at the office.

  • by boylinux ( 775361 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @02:58PM (#42289653) Homepage
    I cannot believe that someone could target children like that. My two daughters are the same age as the dead and I will have to hug and hold them for a long while tonight. My heart goes out to those parents.
  • by Nimey ( 114278 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @03:00PM (#42289705) Homepage Journal

    As someone posted elsewhere: "I don't want to take your guns away, but if the price of freedom is 18 dead elementary school kids 3 times a year, I don't want to be free. "Gun control" doesn't have to mean "take away guns". Stop arguing against that straw man."

    Gun owners jumping right to slippery-slope arguments are not helpful.

  • by Nimey ( 114278 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @03:02PM (#42289769) Homepage Journal

    What is the correlation between mass shootings and the closing & defunding of mental health institutions?

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14, 2012 @03:21PM (#42290231)

      Thank you for posting this.

      All I see is bickering about whether or not to ban guns, but nobody willing to look at WHY someone would do this. In all likelihood, the shooter was mentally disturbed. Mental health care is sorely lacking in this country(and probably almost all other countries as well).

      Living with two family members with mental illness makes it easier to see that these people are not heartless monsters who kill for fun. They have serious issues that need to be addressed. Unless you are filthy rich or have awesome insurance(which probably means you are rich), you cannot get access to the health care that you need.

  • rampage killers (Score:5, Informative)

    by AxemRed ( 755470 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @03:05PM (#42289827)
    It looks like the first few comments have already been about guns and the second amendment, so I want to throw this out there. There have been spree killings all over the world, even in countries with more restrictive gun laws than the USA. Most of these killings were done with firearms, but many were done with other weapons.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers [wikipedia.org]

    I think that rather than arguing about gun-rights in general, we would be better served by working to identify the kind of people that feel they need to resort to this type of violence and getting them the help they need before they snap.
  • by iONiUM ( 530420 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @03:15PM (#42290097) Journal

    I see a lot of posts in here about banning guns. They are far more controlled where I live (Canada), but rest assured shootings that happen in Canada are always with black-market guns. It's not the people who legally purchase and register firearms doing these things, it's those who obtain them illegally.

    You may argue that making guns harder to get, like here, reduces this kind of thing. That may be correct. But no matter what, people can get anything, and they will, if sufficiently demented, do something bad.

    What's the answer to that?

  • by Darth Snowshoe ( 1434515 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @03:23PM (#42290287)

    Every time these incidents occur, there is a tremendous and instantaneous outpouring of these same old arguments "guns don't kill people..." "outlawing guns is not going to prevent crazy people from getting them..." The arguments never change, the politics never change, and these incidents happen again and again.

    The definition of 'crazy', or one of them, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. HOW MANY TIMES do we have to hear about shooting rampages in our own schools, malls, movie theaters, workplaces, before people will begin to ask themselves if maybe their outlook is simply wrong? How many people would have to die before you, Mr. 2nd Amendment Defender, would reconsider your own viewpoint? Just do this exercise for me - say a number out loud.

    Doubt is essential in a deliberative society. If you can never doubt your own viewpoint, then the freedom to discuss and debate it is worthless.

  • by ios and web coder ( 2552484 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @04:19PM (#42291903) Journal

    ...is that folks are using this story as a political foil.


    However, the very first thing that people think of is the age-old political battle about guns.

    This kind of abstracting our fellow humans into avatars is not something that I particularly like about modern times.

  • by Sentrion ( 964745 ) on Friday December 14, 2012 @04:38PM (#42292453)

    There are thousands of weapons collectors, shooting competitors, and enthusiasts who have gone through the process to own Class III weapons. Only two murders have been committed in the last 50 years using legally obtained automatic weapons, and in one of those the perpetrator was a law enforcement officer. But rather than require background checks, fingerprinting, and registration, the NRA and other fanatics want semi-automatic handguns, shotguns and rifles with quick-change magazines to be available off-the-shelf and on-demand for any reason. The system to regulate Class III weapons has shown itself effective at keeping powerful weapons out of the hands of hooligans. But the fanatical NRA is going to ruin gun ownership for everyone because of the irrational fear of the "slippery slope" phenomenon.

    There are other countries that enjoy high rates of gun ownership, such as Sweden, but officials simply ask a few basic questions, like 'do you have a hunting license?' or 'do you belong to a shooting club?' If neither, why do you need a gun? Of course, Sweden has a low rate of violent crime so self-defense is rarely a valid reason. Collectors can own weapons also, but they need to show they have a valid collection, not just an armory of heavy weapons waiting for the apocalypse.

Some people manage by the book, even though they don't know who wrote the book or even what book.