North Korea Declares a State of War 628
paysonwelch writes "North Korea has declared a state of war against South Korea, stating that neither peace nor war has ended. Quoting the news release via Reuters: '1. From this moment, the north-south relations will be put at the state of war and all the issues arousing between the north and the south will be dealt with according to the wartime regulations.' The DPRK goes on to say that this will be a 'blitz' war and that they will regain control of the south, and destroy U.S. bases in the process."
Great line from the declaration: "[The U.S.] should clearly know that in the era of Marshal Kim Jong Un, the greatest-ever commander, all things are different from what they used to be in the past." A senior U.S. official called this statement "pot-banging and chest-thumping." The official said, "North Korea is in a mindset of war, but North Korea is not going to war."
Surely they wouldn't start it unless they can win. (Score:5, Funny)
I for one welcome our glorious new Democratic overlords.
Didn't they get the memo? (Score:5, Informative)
The Korean "war" never ended. It has been ongoing since 1950
Re:Didn't they get the memo? (Score:5, Funny)
I have to agree that Marshal Kim Jong Un is the greatest-ever commander...after all, most commanders have lost lives, while Kim Jong Un hasn't lost any lives, or even a single battle. What US commander in chief could say that?
Now, if he actually does have his people go to battle, I'd change my opinion, and call him an egomanical turd.
Re:Didn't they get the memo? (Score:5, Interesting)
Imagine you're a guy in your mid-30s, educated in Switzerland, a smart enough guy. You're not particularly interested in politics, just want to have a good time and enjoy the luxuries you've always been accustomed to. Then all of a sudden, you're dragged from your your cosy, relatively anonymous life and told you're the leader of one of the world's remaining military dictatorships.
You don't particularly want to lead, you'd rather continue your life as a pampered playboy, but the people around you are murderous, and will brook no signs of weakness. This is a roller-coaster you're on, you have very little control and you can't get off. How do you stop it? What do you do?
If you go soft, you'll be assassinated, you know that because it almost happened. One way might be to push harder than the generals expect and try to provoke the rest of the world into stopping the ride for you.
Just a thought...
Re:Didn't they get the memo? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:They ARE the memo (Score:5, Insightful)
And 11 million lives in Seoul that are pretty much forfeit in under 5 minutes when the shelling starts. No profit for Haliburton and other Contractors if all that's left is a smoking hole in the ground. Read up on the Korean DMZ, then you'll see exactly why te USMIC doesn't want to touch this. And exactly why they DIDN'T touch it under Bush and his warmonger cronies when they had clear evidence that N Korea was seeking Nuclear Capability.
Re:Didn't they get the memo? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure, getting out of the country would be easy, but what are the odds that commanders #2 through #9 will happily roll over and accept #1's sudden rise to dominance? Any disruption in the line of succession will destabilize the balance of power within the government, and the fallout could cost a whole lot of innocent people their lives. Would you want that on your conscience? Provoking international action on the other hand might seem like a relatively clean solution - any invasion would likely start with a tactical strike against the military elite. And knowing that, the generals might well be willing to accept voluntary banishment with all the severance package they can plunder if faced with an actual invasion.
Of course any such invasion would require the cooperation of China to avoid ballooning onto the global stage, which has been why they've been in such a comfortable position for so long. If China's getting tired of their antics though then that protective umbrella is rapidly fading, and all that remains is for they and the US to agree on what the new government should look like and how many puppets each of them get in it. The other regional powers might have some voice as well if only as a moderating influence - i.e. China might prefer that a couple puppets answer to Japan rather than directly to the US in order to diffuse our influence.
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I was responding to the idea that Kim might somehow be compelled to keep his position in order to protect his life of privilege. I don't think it's true, I think if all he wanted was to be an international playboy there are those who might help him. Wether or not command #1 hischosen successor, is able to fend off #2-n or not is really nothing to Kim who has his suit case full of money is 1000s of miles away.
In my hypothetical #1 helps Kim leave with some cash in exchange for the political advant
Re:Of course the North Koreans.... (Score:5, Interesting)
No one is paying attention to what Lil' Kim is saying (except you). The U.S. military watches for troop movements, equipment positioning, missile priming...you know, the things that actually count if you wish to start a war. If the Norks start that, the U.S. has already promised to ramp up.
Re:Didn't they get the memo? (Score:5, Interesting)
The Korean "war" never ended. It has been ongoing since 1950
well how many times can you announce that you're going to attack? they don't have their own memos from last week(apparently memos are in trade blockage as well).
I'm more inclined to believe that the military is worried the middle rung layers of the military might start doing something enterprising, since their portions of booze and dried meat have lately gotten even smaller than usual.. hence the current state of things in which the entire north korean military is effectively in house arrest.
Schrodinger's war (Score:5, Funny)
It's Schrodinger's war: neither peace nor war has ended
They're just threatening to open the box and have a look.
Re:Didn't they get the memo? (Score:5, Informative)
I realize reading TFA is frowned upon, so just for you:
"The state of neither peace nor war has ended on the Korean Peninsula."
Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
IIRC, North Korea has declared war on the South multiple times since the armistice. In short, it's nothing new.
NK has had particularly bad farm yields and has trouble feeding it's army - recently China returned 12 NK soldiers that tried to escape. In years past, this wouldn't have happened as NK was keen to always make sure the Army got food but rations were cut last year. It needs an increase in foreign aid to hold itself up. That's what all this sword rattling is about. I hope that everyone lets them drop.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
What happens when the NK leadership gets to a point where they feel they have nothing to lose by attacking?
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
Unified Korea and scores of dead North Koreans.
But the people in North Korea have created this mess, so it's only right they take the heaviest losses.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
Unified Korea and scores of dead North Koreans.
This, and its the last thing that China wants. Korea would become the next Germany in 25 or so years.
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This, and its the last thing that China wants. Korea would become the next Germany in 25 or so years.
Not exactly. East Germany's economy was much more developed than South Korea, yet unification almost crippled the Germany economy. Unification with N. Korea is not going to be an easy task.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Interesting)
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Unified Korea and scores of dead North Koreans.
But the people in North Korea have created this mess, so it's only right they take the heaviest losses.
The situation on the Korean peninsula wasn't exactly created by the Korean people. It was engineered by the Americans, Chinese, Russians and Japanese; because a unified Korea would have been so economically powerful NONE of the above wanted it to exist. Even though these parties were so ideologically opposed to each other they could still agree that a powerful Korea would be bad for their interests.
Seriously; had Korea not been divided it would be immensely powerful economically and militarily, due to miner
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Funny)
I'm pretty sure we've always been at war with East Asi....uh.....North Korea.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Informative)
N. Korea attacked first. History is always an interesting read.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
N. Korea attacked first.
No, Han did.
Re:Nothing New (Score:4, Informative)
The situation on the Korean peninsula wasn't exactly created by the Korean people. It was engineered by the Americans, Chinese, Russians and Japanese; because a unified Korea would have been so economically powerful NONE of the above wanted it to exist.
When this situation was 'engineered', "Made in Japan" wasn't even a joke yet, "Made in Korea" came along even later.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
Isn't it much more logical that it was simply a struggle for control over Korea by the more powerful nations, that ended in a deadlock?
Korea had never been a potent independent economic player in history--I very much doubt the current status of the south, for example, was something anyone from outside Korea was expecting.
It's *not* that big a country, bro. Your argument doesn't make any sense, and you have no evidence, so please don't spread drivel. Bad enough we have Glen Beck conjecturing on camera...
Re:Nothing New (Score:4, Informative)
Not really true. Japan might not have, but no one was really listening to them at the end of WWII. America and Russia both wanted a United Korea to exist, and both wanted to direct how it was going to be set up. Same as in Germany, they each saw half a loaf and not fighting a war with each other immediately as superior, in the short term, to any other alternative that was on the table.
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Then watch the regime falls quickly within days and people will be liberated. This is even easier than Iraq.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
The North Korean military isn't any match for the South Koreans & the USA. Everyone knows that.
The real threat is because Seoul is so close to the border. You'll get thousands (millions?) of artillery shells fired at Seoul, resulting in lots of civilian casualties & destruction.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
No it won't, for two reasons.
For 60 years they've been instilling in their populous that their Dear Leader is a god (or god-like). While many fear and loath him, any that have shown open dissent have been killed or put in re-education camps. The population will not rise up against the NK leadership.
For 60 years NK has been digging in and building weapons. They may not be as technically sophisticated as their neighbor, they may not have the weapons technology available to the U.S., but they have weapons and personell in quantity. Technically, they have one of the largest armies in the world, with over a million active and eight million reserve. A conflict with NK could drag on for years.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Interesting)
All four nuclear nations had designs and probably operational devices for enhanced radiation reduced blast weapons, aka neutron bombs, that released the neutrons generated by the initial phase of the bomb instead of the full ionizing and shock blasts. They did this with fission-fusion bombs with deliberate ineffective X-ray and neutron mirrors. The US W79-0 had a neutron bomb mode.
All such weapons were destroyed as part of SALT and SALT II, but who knows what still sits in a cupboard.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Informative)
They are pretty useless in modern theatre, which is why no one really objected to their destruction. They were originally meant as tactical weapons, as they have very low range, to take out massed tank forces. They became utterly inefficient as armour on tanks became thick enough to effectively prevent terminal effect of neutron bombardment around 70s-80s.
They could still be used against uncovered enemy, but their low range makes them largely unfeasible for this purpose. If you're willing to use nuclear weapons, you're much better off with conventional nuclear warheads that produce the destructive effect through combination of high temperature and pressure shockwave.
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The original Powers of USA, USSR, UK and France in the early heyday of nuclear weapons development in the 50's and 60's when these devices were developed. The other five are johnny-come-latelies. :)
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Funny)
but they have weapons and personell in quantity
Half of them are photoshopped, though.
Re:Nothing New (Score:4, Insightful)
I seriously wonder how quickly their beliefs would change should food, clothing, medicine, etc become readily available by the "imperialist aggressors".
If I'm cold, sick, and on the brink of starvation, it's not going to take much for me to ditch whatever current beliefs I have.
Re:Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
the second the first rounds are fired in earnest by either side or the first troops cross the DMZ, Seoul is going to be leveled by the massive, emplaced and already aimed, artillery barrage that NK has had set up for decades
Nonsense. Just surf on in to Seoul with google street view and the first thing you will notice is that it has hardly any tall buildings. It is a huge sprawling expanse of low concrete and steel buildings. An artillery barrage to level it would take months or years like in Syria, and that just isn't going to happen. A few hours at most, and Seoul is so big that the damage would be only a small fraction. And at the first sign of trouble the whole population will be in the subways and other prepared shelters. Don't imagine that this scenario has not been anticipated.
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Exactly this.
Its a ploy to get more handouts from the West nothing more nothing less. You can't say "shut up or the aide check is void either." If he shuts up he will appear weak and it will probably get him killed. The best thing to do here is simple cut the aide off no discussion. The time to do this is now before they create more reliable weapons and delivery systems. One of three things will happen in order of likeliness:
1) Nothing; South Korea and China will step in and provide the food and monetar
They got the wrong idea from the Korean War (Score:5, Insightful)
You know you're seriously off the rails when you start provoking the planet's grand champions at killing people and breaking things and Russia and China are telling you to calm down.
Re:They got the wrong idea from the Korean War (Score:5, Funny)
Re:They got the wrong idea from the Korean War (Score:4, Funny)
Re:They got the wrong idea from the Korean War (Score:5, Insightful)
Go ahead (Score:5, Interesting)
But China won't help you out this time.
Re:Go ahead (Score:4)
In fact, China didn't let them import any oil in Feb. At this rate they might not have oil for a while.
That will start to hurt pretty soon. Nobody really wants a nuclear war in Asia.
Re:Go ahead (Score:5, Funny)
Nobody really wants a nuclear war in Asia.
Nobody?
Actually scary (Score:5, Interesting)
I really think there is a chance that NK leadership has gone so bonkers they would actually try something like bombing SK. I doubt it would be effective unless they bring a nuke to the fight, but we're still talking about one of China's maybe-buddies. The USSR was scary, but they weren't so honking insane as these guys.
Hopefully, NK will just keep doing the "chest thumping" thing until they get tired. Or it's all just a bluff in the first place. I, personally, have had enough wars/actions/what-have-you for now. Too much death. Everyone (including the US) just chill and have a cup o' tea and a biscuit.
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Looking at history ( a novel concept I know) you find that indeed this has happened before.
You have a few things coming together that is causing this noise. 1) New leader in NK trying to show his ability to stand up to the West. 2) New leader in South Korea which is a cue for NK to become bellicose. 3) Annual SK/USA war games which NK always uses as a provocation. 4) Even tougher sanctions just put into place.
The US has no desire to go to war, nor does SK. The US is doing what has been doing for 50+ yea
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This is one woman with whom they should not fuck. Seriously, her mother was killed by a North Korean assassin [wikipedia.org], and she was the de-facto first lady in her place. I'm think we might have a Korean Maggie Thatcher on our hands; she's not cowed by the North. From what I gather her attitude seems to be "we don't want this.. we won't start this.. but if you do, we're fucking bringing it hard."
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Kim better not give them an excuse.
Re:Actually scary (Score:4, Insightful)
Japan decided to go to war against its largest trading partner in the 1930's. Germany did the same against it largest trading partner during the same era. Sometimes people deciding to start a war don't really care about trade relationships or economic damage that might come from a full scale war.
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That happens when they think they can win. Are they really *that* bat-shit insane? (serious question ... they'v been conditioned for years, but their new leader knows the military capability of the US, etc.)
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They aren't going to support regime change
What makes you think that? North Korea has a new leader, and maybe things arent going well from their viewpoint.
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Not to mention that while the CinC is the top of the chain of command, he's still technically subordinate to the Congress, and if Congress says 'fight those people' it will be his duty to carry that out.
Suddenly... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Suddenly... (Score:5, Funny)
No problem. I'm pretty sure you aren't even allowed citizenship in South Korea if you can't execute the standard terran openers with alarming speed and precision. The entire DMZ will be a wall of supply depots and swarming with marines within ~5 minutes.
They should call their bluff already (Score:3)
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Re:They should call their bluff already (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, in the '00s, Bush tore up the Agreed Framework negotiated by Carter, under which NK received regular food and fuel aid in exchange for placing their nuclear weapons program under international inspection. "Axis of Evil", he said. "No more blackmail", he said. So NK ripped the UN inspector's seals of their uranium, built a nuke, and detonated it. Bush came running back, and now the crazy Norks are still demanding food and fuel aid while rattling their sabres, but their sabre is nuclear.
Heckuvajob, Bushie!
Just partisan stupidity (Score:5, Insightful)
Many hardcore lefties who have the tribal, partisan mentality of "My side good, other side bad," will keep blaming Bush for whatever is bad until there is another high enough profile Republican to blame, probably another president.
Same shit you see now from the righties. Obama has suddenly become the new favourite target for everything bad. Clinton was the favourite but now it is Obama. He's the newest, most powerful "other guy" so they dump all the bad shit at his feet.
Unfortunately, many humans are still very tribalistic and you see it in how they relate to politics. Their tribe, whatever they identify that as, are the good guys, the other tribe is the bad guys and thus all the bad things are the other guys fault.
This little guy (Score:5, Interesting)
Are they really THAT brainwashed and misinformed (or uninformed) as to believe that they can just threaten nuclear war every time they don't get their way? It's like a little kid threatening to run away every time he has to eat his broccoli.
The only scary thing here is that sometimes, very rarely, the little kid DOES run away for an hour or so. Well, I hope for the sake of any innocent people in North Korea that this little boy doesn't run away, and instead learns to shut the fuck up and eat his broccoli.
Re:This little guy (Score:5, Insightful)
Can someone explain to me what it is that gives such a small country that has comparably weak military (they are ranked number 28 in the world according to http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp [globalfirepower.com]) and pretty much zero chance of surviving a week in a real war the balls to be so dickish and war-hungry?
It keeps working.
Re:This little guy (Score:5, Informative)
If NK ever stops being useful to China, they will cease to exist.
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Can someone explain to me what it is that gives such a small country that has comparably weak military ... and pretty much zero chance of surviving a week in a real war the balls to be so dickish and war-hungry?
They have artillery lined up by the border. Within the first few hours of a war, they can devastate Seoul and probably other South Korean cities, killing millions. I think they also have rocket artillery that could hit Tokyo. North Korea would lose the war pretty quickly, but the civilian cost would be *very* high.
Re:This little guy (Score:5, Informative)
This series of posts describes North Korean strategy at a high level -- http://joshuaspodek.com/north-korea-strategy-preview [joshuaspodek.com]
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wrong
N. Vietnam did no such thing, the military was restrained by politicians. we could have wiped the vietnamese race off the face of the earth, and with only conventional weapons.
Re:This little guy (Score:5, Insightful)
North Vietnam defeated a South Vietnam that had the American military removed from it along with any foreign aid to help South Vietnam able to pay for its army... and a North Vietnam reinforced by Russian equipment and foreign aid.
It took North Vietnamese tanks and massive infantry formations to conquer Saigon.... it wasn't just a "popular uprising" of the South Vietnamese people like is sometimes portrayed.
Had the U.S. Congress really wanted to win in Vietnam, they could have appropriated the money, sent the necessary soldiers, and given a blank check to the U.S. President at the time (Richard Nixon... somebody Congress really wanted to get rid of at the time) with a formal declaration of war. That never happened, thus your logic really fails here.
America abandoned South Vietnam and let that country go away in defeat, but America was not really "defeated" in Vietnam. It was just another front in the Cold War from an American perspective.
Kaesong Industrial complex still open... (Score:4, Informative)
Coo, the P is silent (Score:3)
nothing major (Score:5, Interesting)
Since i live in South Korea, I base my concern level on the people around me, rather than western media.
Today all the girls were out in their 6 inch skirts, 10 inch heels, and all the guys were out following them around.
Seems to be just another day.
Re:nothing major (Score:5, Funny)
Pics, or it didn't happen.
No more rhetorics (Score:4, Insightful)
It seems to me that the North Korean leadership has just spent all of its rhetorical ammo. If the next thing out of Kim's mouth isn't a launch code and an authorization to launch a nuclear tipped missile he's just ruined his credibility. And North Korea does not even have a nuclear tipped missile.
This is very dangerous, because this means that at some time before the next time Kim wants to blackmail South Korea and the US he is going to have to use enough force that his threats will regain credibility. I don't think there will be a major war, but I think a minor exchange of fire, at least, is inevitable at some point in the not too distant future if Kim wants to stay in power.
I wonder what his generals and other top officials in Pyongyang are whispering to one another when he can't hear. I guess the time to stage a coup without looking like total traitors would be a couple of months after this blows over.
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I guess the time to stage a coup without looking like total traitors would be a couple of months after this blows over.
Maybe that's the plan all along.. someone (or some group) somewhere is pushing young kim to make a fool of himself and his country so that he can then be deposed and NK can finally be rid of the old dynasty..
Or maybe they are all just nuts.
Cyberwar (Score:5, Funny)
I can see prices of Android tablets skyrocketing.
Apple must be behind all this.
What if US stealth candy bombed Kim's house? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What if US stealth candy bombed Kim's house? (Score:5, Insightful)
That doesn't seem useful.
Kim Jong Un knows that the US can kill him at any time, Kim Jong Un also knows that the North Korean military leadership can kill him at any time. He has to appease both, which he does by rattling the saber enough to please the military and not quite enough to make the US really angry.
Re:What if US stealth candy bombed Kim's house? (Score:4, Funny)
It should be cake. Then he'd know it's not a lie.
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Better idea: take the top generals in the hard-line faction, and identify which of them have a bunch of young grandchildren. On a day those grandchildren are at the general's house, drop a dud bomb loaded with 100lbs of Pop Rocks dead-center of the courtyard. A nice dual message: "Yes, we know who's really behind this and are perfectly willing and able to put an end to you." and "Yes, we're perfectly willing and able to make you suffer before we put an end to you.".
Blitz (Score:5, Funny)
This is not how you conduct a blitz.
On a side note... (Score:4, Funny)
So... during all this falderall, we get to see a lot of photos of Young Dear Leader surrounded by elderly men in military uniforms with ridiculously large hats, pointing dramatically this way and that. Occasionally you get a side view of Dear Leader and... all I can think of is MAN he's fat. Looks like close to 300 pounds. They try to disguise it with clothes and camera angles but there's no denying that he is a Big Boy. Maybe we should just send truckloads of Cinnabuns and wait for the inevitable?
Re:Ut oh. (Score:5, Informative)
Well China has recently voted in favor of sanctions against NK; previously they did not.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-21710919 [bbc.co.uk]
Re:Ut oh. (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, I think that's what's going to be different this time. There are signs that China is getting tired of North Korea's crap.
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You know perfectly well why communist (or other) dictatorships go to war. They're close to losing control over their own country, either because the population is rising up (unlikely here) or because they're out of resources because they've built a state system filled with people used to divert state resources to personal ends (very likely the case here).
This won't end well, as it will force China and the US into a confrontation when the cleanup happens.
Re:US Desires this - nad deliberately PROVOKED it. (Score:5, Funny)
They're close to losing control over their own country, either because the population is rising up (unlikely here) or because they're out of resources because they've built a state system filled with people used to divert state resources to personal ends (very likely the case here).
This won't end well, as it will force China and the US into a confrontation when the cleanup happens.
I'm lost... Why are you calling the U.S. a communist dictatorship?
Re:US Desires this - nad deliberately PROVOKED it. (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually there was an attempted military coup in North Korea in November 2012 (Citation: http://intelnews.org/2013/03/15/01-1217/ [intelnews.org]) . Looks like the Party can't trust the military anymore. Hence, we have North Korea declaring war (that they cannot possibly hope to win).
Strange the grandparent attributes the declaration of war to Us actions. The US were simply not letting North Korea get away with the same provocations they did in the past. After 60 years of bad behavior and criminal acts from North Korea the patience of the US and South Korea have finally run out. However Jeremiah Cornelius would like to ignore the kidnappings (of South Koreans and Japanese actresses), assassinations, murders, drug running, weapon proliferation, DMZ shootings and axe attacks, and brutal oppression of the NK people by the NK leadership. Instead Jeremiah continues his bankrupt crusade to demonize the US at every opportunity, by selectively choosing facts. Shame on you JC ! and your ilk.
Re:US Desires this - nad deliberately PROVOKED it. (Score:5, Interesting)
NK has value of a buffer. Neither South Korea nor NATO who's bases it houses are friendly towards China. North Korea is near Chinese heartland.
This is the same issue as "holy shit, USSR has tactical nukes in Cuba" for USA. Only imagine if Cuba had land access to US mainland. And USSR put their best tanks and tactical bombers in there as well.
There will be a cold day in hell before China lets North Korea fall to the West.
Re:US Desires this - nad deliberately PROVOKED it. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm calling bullshit. What possible (non-conspiracy theory related) reason could the US have for provoking a war with North Korea? What would we stand to gain? Obama has already been re-elected, the economy isn't doing great but also isn't awful, there's no oil involved, and the US public is already war-weary and has little stomach for another one.
I think the overwhelming majority of Americans just want NK to shut up and stop aggravating the situation...
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Who's "Provocative Action"?
March 29 2013 - Hagel says U.S. has to take North Korean threats seriously [yahoo.com]
Umm... how is saying we're going to take a country's statements seriously, provocative?
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This won't end well.
If by not well you mean for the PRK, you're right. They won't get what they want this time (free food and other perks that they get every time they wag the dog). If you mean its going to end in some kind of fire fight, 100% wrong. You apparently are unaware of the history of this sick little state. I see they're building up Un like they did his father [telegraph.co.uk].
Re:Ut oh. (Score:5, Insightful)
Obama isn't bending, so North Korea is losing face. The only thing they can do to regain face is a military victory. In the past this has involved attacking ships and shelling islands. Let's not kid ourselves, while a war with North Korea is unlikely, they still might kill people just up to the point where the US and SK would respond.
Re:Ut oh. (Score:5, Insightful)
Obama isn't bending, so North Korea is losing face. The only thing they can do to regain face is a military victory. In the past this has involved attacking ships and shelling islands. Let's not kid ourselves, while a war with North Korea is unlikely, they still might kill people just up to the point where the US and SK would respond.
Saw an editorial yesterday that said what might be different this time is that Junior is inexperienced at how the game is played, and might think actually starting some sh*t is a good idea.
Millions of people stand to get killed - Seoul is targetted by a *huge* collection of conventional artillery - but if he thinks there's any outcome that won't leave him as a smoking hole in the ground, he's delu...
Uh-oh, the world's in trouble.
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Those are Chairman Kim Blessed missiles. He does not obey the laws of physics and neither do they.
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Wait a minute. Only Chuck Norris gets to disobey the laws of physics.
Re:North Korea thinks the world is flat (Score:5, Funny)
not technically true, Chuck ass-whoops the laws of physics until they obey him
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Because the treaty of Versailles was a great achievement that brought an end to war in Europe forever and was universally seen as fair and just. /s
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Because the treaty of Versailles was a great achievement that brought an end to war in Europe forever and was universally seen as fair and just. /s
One Allied general famously heard the terms and said, "That's not a peace treaty, that's a formula for a 20-year ceasefire."
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Re:WARNING: this is not me... apk (Score:5, Informative)
You need help.
engineers testing bot (Score:3)
The frequency and specificity of these 'apk' posts makes me think it is a 'beta' test of a next-level automatic comment bot.
It looks like it *may* be trying to 'optimize' the functions that automate actions like 'linking to other discussions' and 'responding by name to a critic in same thread'
These are things that usually give bots away easily.
The sheer volume of these 'apk' posts mean it has to be automated at some level.