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NSA Recruitment Drive Goes Horribly Wrong 530

An anonymous reader writes "The Guardian is running a story about a recent recruitment session held by the NSA and attended by students from the University of Wisconsin which had an unexpected outcome for the recruiters. 'Attending the session was Madiha R Tahir, a journalist studying a language course at the university. She asked the squirming recruiters a few uncomfortable questions about the activities of NSA: which countries the agency considers to be 'adversaries', and if being a good liar is a qualification for getting a job at the NSA.' Following her, others students started to put NSA employees under fire too. A recording of the session is available on Tahir's blog."
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NSA Recruitment Drive Goes Horribly Wrong

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:10PM (#44197257)

    Then the answer to question #2 is no. Also, the answer to question #1 is all of the above.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:15PM (#44197313)

    They get "targets" handed down, and don't decide who is an "adversary."

    So we are all targets.


  • by roman_mir ( 125474 ) on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:17PM (#44197349) Homepage Journal

    If you want terrorism to stop, then just don't participate in it.

    The same exact thing applies to NSA and all other government terrorist organisations.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Does the same thing apply to carjacking? Armed robbery? Rape? "Oh, I'm sorry, but I don't participate in such activities so you must stop". Great plan.

      • by Sloppy ( 14984 ) on Friday July 05, 2013 @07:30PM (#44199779) Homepage Journal

        The normal rule of gunnery is to shoot, and then whatever you happen to hit: call that the target. ;-) With terrorism, whoever you missed is the target. And whoever you hit, is your weapon against that target. But in order to work, it requires the cooperation of the target. If the target does not choose to react fearfully, then the terrorism does not accomplish its objective.

        Does the same thing apply to carjacking? Armed robbery?

        No. The goal of carjacking is to get a ride; the goal of robbery is to obtain value. Deciding to not fear it, does not deny your adversary his goal.

        But terrorism is about persuading the survivors, the technically-not-victims. Nobody ever carjacks in order to get the next car to lock their doors. Nobody commits armed robbery in order to manipulate a third party (movie script counter-example: Die Hard, but the FBI was manipulated as part of a "Briar Patch" strategy, rather than terrorism(*)).

        e.g. Not Terrorism: "Your tank factory and its workers are gone. This gains me a numeric advantage in next month's tank battle." Terrorism: "Your tank factory and its workers are gone. Surrender or else I'll wreck more of your expensive factories and kill more of your workers."

        (*) Does this happen in real life? What believed acts of terrorism were actually not?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:22PM (#44197399)

    Having worked at several of the big-5 agencies (NSA included) I can attest to the fact that their HR organizations are pretty inept. They are so focused on EO and diversity that they really have no staff who know the trade craft that they are recruiting against nor even people who can simply think on their feet. For a potential recruit to act in any way other than honored to be speaking to a recruiter in the intelligence community and awestruck at the very thought of getting said job would totally derail them. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall.

  • being a good liar is a good skill to be a spy / uncover guy.

  • Better blog link (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bill Dimm ( 463823 ) on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:32PM (#44197561) Homepage

    A recording of the session is available on Tahir's blog.

    It would probably make more sense to link to the blog post [] instead of the main blog page so people can actually find the recording in the future after new blog posts are added.

  • by stenvar ( 2789879 ) on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:33PM (#44197575)

    Look at the people in the Guardian's photo: they hold up a sign of Snowden, write "HERO" across it, and then use the Obama logo for the "O"? How stupid and partisan can you get? Not only is Obama fully responsible for the current NSA actions and keeping them secret, he lied during his campaign when he promised to end such abuses.

  • by Anachragnome ( 1008495 ) on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:43PM (#44197687)

    The NSA is wiping their ass with the U.S. Constitution again.

    A recent article in CNN outlines why there is little in the US Media regarding Eric Snowden and the NSA Prism program--the NSA is literally threatening journalists with prosecution for espionage for doing their jobs. []

    We are sliding down that slippery slope fast, folks. I honestly feel the next few months will determine whether or not our Constitution remains viable as a means to protect basic human rights. Help the press help us--tell as many people as you can about this article and the serious repercussions the article outlines. These are not potential repercussions--this is happening folks. A near-complete lack of articles in main-stream media about the Prism program and Snowden is all the evidence I need to come to that conclusion.

  • by istartedi ( 132515 ) on Friday July 05, 2013 @03:54PM (#44197825) Journal

    Good Will Hunting []

    Skimmed and didn't see anybody else posting it. Kinda surprising.

  • Wow, brave girl (Score:5, Interesting)

    by FuzzNugget ( 2840687 ) on Friday July 05, 2013 @05:02PM (#44198649)
    Seriously, everyone go listen to the recording. That is some hardcore, no bullshit Q&A. Er, well, the Q's were. The NSA stooges spent the whole time beating around the bush and using their native tongue of Orwellian doublespeak with every non-answer they gave.

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