Meet the Guy Who Fact-Checks Stephen King On Stephen King 121
cartechboy writes "Stephen King has sold more than 300 million books of horror, suspense, science fiction and fantasy. The guy has written so many works, and words, that he actually needs a "continuity adviser" to fact check him when he picks old stories up as a new book. Enter Rocky Wood — who is the world-wide leading expert on Stephen King's work. So much so, that King hired Wood (who has authored a 6000+ page encyclopedia on CD-ROM on every single aspect of King's work — including 26,000 different King characters) to fact check himself when he writes."
Re:The continuity adviser is not doing his job (Score:5, Funny)
You should read his next book, it's about how Israeli plants high-up in the American government exercise the Sampson option by sending the United States into war with Syria in the Middle-East, only to be stopped by the leader of Russia. It's called Checkmate, available on newsstands today!
Re:The continuity adviser is not doing his job (Score:5, Funny)
You should read his next book, it's about how Israeli plants high-up in the American government exercise the Sampson option by sending the United States into war with Syria in the Middle-East, only to be stopped by the leader of Russia. It's called Checkmate, available on newsstands today!
It's like the inverse of a Tom Clancy novel!
Re:The continuity adviser is not doing his job (Score:4, Informative)
I'm not sure you understand what continuity means.
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Every single new Stephen King book for the past 10 years has been worse than the previous ones.
That's because his more recent work is largely intertextual. You have to read like 10 of his other books (and various literature and poetry by other authors) to understand The Dark Tower.
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I don't mind the ending so much as I hate the new books in general. Wolves of the Callah was downright awful (I really hated all the Harry Potter and other stuff), the one after that was not much better, and the dark tower finally was actually ok again.
I don't know why, but the first four books are exciting and amazing with a lot of suspense and mystery, and the last three just plain suck compared to that. It's like he figured that he really needed to finish the series and just rushed it. Or after the long break and the car accident he forgot what it was all about - I think he even alluded to this in some interview, I'm very fuzzy on the details though.
No, the end really was ok. It was the only logical ending I guess. But I wish anything between book four and that ending was left unwritten instead.
And in addition to all of this, he decided to mangle the original books with all the jesus crap. Fuck that shit!
Re:The continuity adviser is not doing his job (Score:4, Interesting)
I didn't mind Wolves. In fact, I more or less like The Dark Tower series as a whole. Yes, I've got some reservations (as I have about other long fantasy series - Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Song of Ice and Fire), but as a whole, I'd say that I found more to enjoy than to dislike.
If I had a complaint, it'd be around the way the last two books are cut up. Song of Susannah is a very, very short book (not much more than a pamphlet really) in which not much happens. Then the final books is a vast tome (not much shorter than all three books of LOTR combined) with god knows how many plot threads within it. Even the meta-narrative crap (my least favorite aspect of the series) from book 6 has all of its conclusions pushed into book 7.
It doesn't much matter, now that the whole series is available and if you want to read through it you can do so with no delays. But at the time SoS was released... my word, I was not a happy bunny.
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I got about a quarter of the way through the first book and then got bored, just couldn't pick it up again.
Are any of the other books better? Or are they just as slow, contrived, and unimaginative? Holy everyone else has done it better, batman.
This is pretty much the experience I have with every Stephen King book except the Stand, the only book he's ever written with any characters I cared about. So maybe he's just not for me.
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The first book (The Gunslinger) is terrible. By King's own admission, it's essentially an oversized student essay. When it was around a decade ago reprinted, it had some fairly major changes to make it fit better with the rest of the series. But by and large, it's awful.
Things improve markedly with the second book, which has actual... you know... characters and plot. The third and fourth are excellent, the fifth divides opinion but I like it, the sixth a very short and doesn't do much and the seventh is an epic in its own right.
The ending is infamous and many people hate it. Or rather, the second ending is infamous. There is a break point at which he cuts into the narrative and says "you can stop here". If you stop there, you get a perfectly fine open-ish ending. But nobody ever stops there.
Re:The continuity adviser is not doing his job (Score:4, Informative)
I honestly thought wizards and glass , something like that, the 3rd book... was the best one. This one really set the tone for the gunslinger, and took place when he was younger and you basically had knights with guns mixed in with a western, I liked it a lot. The others were kinda sorta ok, page turners and some few good select scenes but felt a bit on the wondering side. Book 3 was the one that really stood out to me.
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I haven't read very many of his books, but I thought The Green Mile was excellent.
Re:The continuity adviser is not doing his job (Score:4, Informative)
The Dark Tower made me weep for him. Really. It's supposed to be his magnum opus and yet it's so flawed.
King has never been that appealing to me because so much of what I have read of his work (which isn't as much as I should have) has been stuff like recycled Lovecraft, recycled Hitchcock, recycled someone else.
But the Dark Tower has some genuinely brilliant concepts in it. Sadly, they glitter like gems in the mud. Some of the most fascinating and fantastic aspects were never really taken to their conclusions, while a lot of the book read like a bunch of unrelated stories bound together with wattle and daub.
Jake's death in volume 1 made me itch. Then Roland just sits on the beach while crustaceans munch his fingers off. Neither he nor the crustaceans were believable at that point.
By the end of the series, it had degenerated into a mish-mash of throwing in chunks of stuff from his other works, then added insult to injury by writing himself into it. That's a trick that only the most capable of writers can pull off, and sadly, he wasn't one of them.
Then, when it all wrapped up, there were loose ends galore, and it turned out to be just a recycled version of The Never-ending Story.
Best Seller, Book Stuffed with Bull Shit (Score:1)
"Best sellers" are like collectible cards. People collect them because they want to have the complete set, not because the content is any good. The last time King wrote a book worth reading was a decade ago.
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The last time King wrote a book worth reading was a decade ago.
The last time King wrote a book worth reading it wasn't a book, it was a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick, and it was more than ten years ago.
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The last time King wrote a book worth reading was a decade ago.
The last time King wrote a book worth reading it wasn't a book, it was a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick, and it was more than ten years ago.
Milk the blood flowing out of the elevators scene until it it makes you want to scream ("Not AGAIN!"). The ballroom shocker was straight out of 1950's Vincent Price shlock. and the "Red Rum" thing was just plain deja vu.
If you want a King movie worth watching, I'd vote for Shawshank any day.
from the wired article: (Score:1)
dude's life is horror, all around
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Reminder to self: stick to day job, do not follow dreams of becoming writer. In event of success, death before 70th birthday due to disease is certain.
Write SF, then. Arthur C. Clarke. Isaac Asimov. Fred Pohl. Jack Vance. Andre Norton.
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Woods was actually the one who rescued King after the car crash, and even took King home to recover in his house; but he was already a huge fan.
King had to give him the 'continuity job' or Wood would have cut off his foot with an axe.
I sense an opportunity (Score:5, Funny)
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As somebody who spends 3 seconds half-reading the summary, I Google searched Rocky Woods hoping that that was some kind lady's adult film stage name.
Nope.
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'Hard as Rock Wood' makes you think of a lady?
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How about Rocky Wood as in "She likes to Rock The Wood" or something.
Off topic, I'm sorry... (Score:3, Informative)
...but this is the first time I've read or heard the term "CD-ROM" this decade. Really? If it was published on CD-ROM, wouldn't it be horribly out of date by now?
Re: Off topic, I'm sorry... (Score:2, Informative)
Well it wouldn't be out of date because the single books would never change so the facts would still be right
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CD-ROMs work in normal computer drives, and are what is often used if your content is of that size.
Join the revolution.. See the FUTURE! (Score:4, Insightful)
And here was I thinking that this is what Wikis are for
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No, but Fan kids do, and will often collectively put in much more effort than 10 paid full time fact checkers.
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Yes, 10 times the work from one guy, the other 10,000 will give you crap they don't even known about ... and a billion times the opinion and personal bias. Perhaps you've heard of wikipedia and its well known problems.
You people really need to get it through your head that you need to pay people for quality less-biased work.
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Somebody has to write the content for the wiki and create all the links - it doesn't happen all on it's own. And few wiki's, even fannish ones, are down to the level of detail described in the article.
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Somebody had to say it... (Score:5, Interesting)
High-functioning autism as a career path? Heh.
If you can't beat them (Score:5, Funny)
See, this is exactly what celebrities need to do. Don't antagonize and arrest your stalkers, employ them!
Re:If you can't beat them (Score:4, Funny)
Misery loves company. And hammers.
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Looking at Wood's own Wikipedia entry it would seem he's actually a horror writer in his own right, as well as an extremely active member of the HWA (he's been president of it for four years, and was a trustee for two years before that). Apparently he was also a member of the Australian Logistics Council...which seems a bit weird.
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Heh, having had to develop code for some logistics systems ... Horror is very fitting.
See (Score:5, Funny)
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George Costanza. His webs of lies were so twisted that even he must have had a hard time keeping track of them all.
And Walter White for sure!
Not a "fact check" (Score:2)
Continuity checking "Fact checking"
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I did write "" (the unequal sign), does slashdot not process symbols?
Fine, Continuity checking != "Fact checking"
Re:Not a "fact check" (Score:4, Informative)
Slashdot does not and has never processed unicode.
Yes, this is inexcusable. No, it will probably never change.
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99% of the userbase's desire for more characters would be satisfied by supporting ISO-8859-15. I don't see how slashdot's branch of slashcode could be so crufty that using the 8th bit would be such a challenge to implement, especially since slashdot.jp seems to have figured it all out.
26k characters? (Score:2)
How are there 26 thousand characters in King's work? He's written 56 novels, which is a lot, and a bunch of short work, but still, if half those characters are from his novels, that's 232 characters per novel. He'd need to introduce a new one every few pages, constantly, throughout the novel. Unless this counts people who are just mentioned once in passing, crowds, and whatnot, I have a hard time believing that.
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Re:26k characters? (Score:4, Funny)
Randall Flagg from The Stand and The Dark Tower series is suggested to be the demon(s) Legion that Jesus exorcised into a herd of pigs which subsequently ran off a cliff into the sea.
“My name is Legion, for we are many.” - Mark 5:9
So that could account for a whole shitload of characters in just that one guy.
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I don't find 26k characters hard to believe, expecially not if you take the short stories into account. Yes, it probably takes minor characters into account, but King's books do feature an insane number of those (cf. IT or the extended version of The Stand) and quite a number of them have small plot-threads of their own, or show up in multiple books (lots of minor-character cameos in the Dark Tower series).
I find it hard to believe too, but then... (Score:2)
I write solely in ASCII, so I'll never have more than 127 characters. :-(
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(I tried to have 128, but the DEL character disappears every time I hit it...)
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Type control-V before you hit delete, and it will appear (or at least a visual representation of it).
(This is mostly a joke.)
Meet the Fact Checkers of the Chinese translations (Score:2)
And his next book is about... uh... (Score:4, Funny)
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300 million books, each unique (Score:2)
Why does this lead in with "Stephen King has sold more than 300 million books of horror, suspense, science fiction and fantasy" -- sure, he's been a popular author, but the relevant info would be how many books he has *written*, no? How many *words* would be interesting to learn.
But if he wrote one book and sold 300 million copies, I doubt he'd need a continuity adviser.
Re:300 million books, each unique (Score:4, Insightful)
Why does this lead in with "Stephen King has sold more than 300 million books of horror, suspense, science fiction and fantasy" -- sure, he's been a popular author, but the relevant info would be how many books he has *written*, no? How many *words* would be interesting to learn.
But if he wrote one book and sold 300 million copies, I doubt he'd need a continuity adviser.
Well, the bible sold a lot of copies, and though it's just one book - its writers *definitely* needed a continuity advisor, and the lack of one is clearly evident in the bible.
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Well, the bible sold a lot of copies, and though it's just one book - its writers *definitely* needed a continuity advisor, and the lack of one is clearly evident in the bible.
The Bible is not one book. It's a compilation of several books.
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What? The six parts of the LOTR are books. You can even buy them separately, I believe.
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it is just one book, generally speaking.
compromising of several self contradicting separate stories of stories.
it is one book because it is bind into being a single book.
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Ghostwriters? (Score:2)
I always thought that guys like Stephen King or Tom Clancy have their books written by a couple of ghostwriters and in the end only make a few corrections and put their approval stamp on it. Not that I have anything against that, publishing is a business... but I wonder whether I'm right or wrong?
Any professional ghostwriters among the /. crowd?
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For example the last Discworld novel really stood out to me as being ghostwritten. For one thing, it was far too respectful of long established characters (if you're a ghostwriter you may not won't to do
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Are you sure you are not confusing King with Patterson? ;-)
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The Dark Tower (Score:2)
Is that a good idea? (Score:3)
I remember one of his books where an author got some problems with his 'Number One Fan'.
Fact check fiction? (Score:2)
What do you mean fact check? It's all fiction. None of it is fact.
Fail.
Not unusual at all... (Score:3)
This kind of thing is quite common. George R. R. Martin of "Game of Thrones" / A Game of Fire and Ice infamy, recently talked about the obsessed fan he calls and asks to fact-check what he is writing, specifically to verify details about characters, rather than continuing to get things like "eye color" wrong, and accidentally changing the gender of a horse between books... etc.
http://teamcoco.com/celebs/george-r-r-martin [teamcoco.com]
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http://teamcoco.com/video/george-r-r-martin-writing-fast [teamcoco.com]
Transcript:
CONAN: Do you ever have trouble keeping it all straight as the guy who is writing this?
GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: Occasionally, yes.
I have a guy in Sweden that I call, not one of Alexander's nude polar bear writers, but he is actually an American fan who lives in Sweden and they run the website.
They know the world better than I do.
Occasionally when I'm stuck on something, I call them up and say what color eyes did this guy have?
Was that his nephew
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Not common enough. e.g. George Lucas should have hired one for Star Wars.
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There's actually a *SIMPLE* explanation for all of that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMgegut3UM [youtube.com]
Well worth watching.
Writes about writers (Score:3)
It's so annoying to always have the protagonist be a writer. It's self-aggrandizing that an author always puts himself as one of the main characters.
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Carrie: no, Salems Lot: yes, The Shining: no, Rage: no, The Stand: no, The Long Walk: no, The Dead Zone: no, Firestarter: no, Roadwork: no, Cujo: no, The Running man: no, Christine: no, Pet Sematary: no, The Talisman: no, Thinner: no, It: yes, in a way, Misery: yes, The Tommyknockers: yes, in a way, The Dark Half: yes, The Stand: no, Needful Things: no, Gerald's Game: no, Dolores Claiborne: no, Insomnia: yes, Rose Madder: no, The Green Mile: no, De
Not my taste (Score:1)
To bad that guy wasn't available... (Score:2)
...to notice the lack of an ending to The Colorado Kid before they sent it off to the printers.
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But has Netcraft confirmed it?