Chromium To Support Wayland 61
sfcrazy writes "Chromium developers have started porting Chromium to X11 alternatives such as Wayland. Tiago Vignatti sent a message to the freedesktop mailing list, 'Today we are launching publicly Ozone-Wayland, which is the implementation of Chromium's Ozone for supporting Wayland graphics system. Different projects based on Chromium/Blink like the Chrome browser, ChromeOS, among others can be enabled now using Wayland.'"
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I see "fragmentation" is as high in the "Things most slashdotters don't really understand, but use for cheap karma shots anyways" ranking as always, near "patent claims, prior art and obviousness", "Betterdige's law of headlines" and "security by obscurity".
Seriously, could you elaborate on what gets "fragmented" here, and how it helps with things "going their way"?
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1. Make post;
2. Get told that its purpose must have been X;
3. Point out that the outcome clearly wasn't X;
4. Get told that pointing this out confirms X further.
I lol'd.
Mir is a dud (Score:2, Insightful)
LOL, no one wants to use Mir. Isn't it about time Canonical just sticks a fork in it, admits they were wrong and just start working with upstream instead? Yeah, yeah, who am I kidding. Canonical's culture is based almost entirely on NIH and being a leech.
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yes and no... I like XMir quite a lot. Also, Weyland has a lot of potential. It's fine for open source Chromium to support it, but I'm wary of Google getting its meathooks into the project.
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I like XMir quite a lot
How so? What is anything that XMir does better than X?
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I think the issues for Ubuntu is they seem more interested in the mobile device space than
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Because many of us used to really like Ubuntu before the whole thing got fucked to hell, and XMir is yet another step in the horrifyingly wrong direction.
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Because Canonical doesn't have the resources to finish it off properly. So we will end up with the same result as Unity (i.e a steaming pile of suck) , used by no-one other than Ubuntu users and only then because its mostly forced on them.
Canonical need to choose one or two projects and stick with them. Right now they have a new project every other week all of which never come off properly, mean while their user base slow dwindles.
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Because Canonical doesn't have the resources to finish it off properly. So we will end up with the same result as Unity (i.e a steaming pile of suck) , used by no-one other than Ubuntu users and only then because its mostly forced on them.
I'm fairly sure that Unity is EXACTLY what they set out to make. too bad they set out to make a steaming pile of shit engineered to make people type in what they want so that they can get a copy.
A bit of NIH, but also a lot of pure naïvet&# (Score:5, Informative)
Source: Matthew Garrett, The state of XMir [dreamwidth.org]
Re:A bit of NIH, but also a lot of pure naïve (Score:3)
the inevitable "This thing we thought would be easy turns out to be difficult" part of the project
Ah yes, the part also known as the second 90%...
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...Canonical's culture is based almost entirely on NIH and being a leech.
Aren't those two exact opposites?
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...Canonical's culture is based almost entirely on NIH and being a leech.
Aren't those two exact opposites?
There you go ruining someone's rant by applying logic.
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And Intel.
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I didn't know loud and annoying Harley riders did that...
the big question (Score:3)
will it actually increase the overall speed of the browser?
Not compared to accelerated X? (Score:3)
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Remote X11 never really worked properly anyway; It doesn't survive interruptions, and it's basically unusable over high-latency connections (you end up needing to use things like VNC). Network transparency is a nice feature, but X11 embedded it in
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"Will wayland offer benefits as decreased power usage or better acceleration, compared to using X11?".
Based on playing around with Weston for a weekend, I think it'll get there sooner than you might think. Wayland's developers are familiar with Xorg, so they're not wasting a lot of time with NIH-syndrome rewrites of stuff that works (for instance, Weston uses the same low-level video drivers as Xorg, and xwayland is just a special build of Xorg). The protocol is specifically designed to take "frames" into account (so, no more tearing, ever), so even if it's somewhat slower (which I don't expect), it'll *f
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"Will wayland offer benefits as decreased power usage or better acceleration, compared to using X11?"
Wayland will be simpler and faster than X11 and thus also result to decreased power usage.
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I don't think that's the actual goal. The goal is to maintain Ozone-* as middleware between chromium and *, so they don't need to rewrite each feature for X11, Wayland, Mir, etc.
In truth, since development times SHOULD shrink, this may free up devs to work on other features that make the browser run faster - or not.
RLZ Tracking (Score:1)
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Then good news! Unless your hardware or drivers are crap, you've loaded Firefox with a ton of crappy addons, or you're delusional, Firefox doesn't really freeze like that very often! But no, no, no.. I forgot. It's easier to randomly say Firefox is inherently an inferior product than it is to own up to Chrome's flaws. When you have nothing to say, just redirect the argument. It's so easy!
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Nothing of what you mention has ever been in Chromium.
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Chromium is still brought to you by the people that brought you RLZ Tracking. Also see https://github.com/nylira/prism-break/issues/169 [github.com]
Obviously it's a great web browser. But its great
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So I can then safely assume your initial post was just karma whoring, seeing as how the issue you initially discussed really didn't matter at all when considering its worthiness to you?
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By simply asking that question it is clear that you don't know what Wayland is or does. I suggest you start with their FAQ. But in summary Wayland is a repacking for X11 or xorg and all the packages you listed run on top of Wayland not instead of it.
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Right, because a browser doesn't need to know how large its viewport is, or how much space is available to arrange its title bar and menus, or how to send or receive signals to or from the DM when it is minimized or restored or resized, or any of that kind of silly thing. Multi-tasking operating systems are so out of style...
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No, Aura/Ozone is the toolkit (Aura being the widget/chrome layer, and Ozone lower level graphic layer).
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Except that TFA clearly states they are porting Ozone (their graphics toolkit, as they're not using Qt Gtk or anything else) to Wayland.
Common missunderstanding is that Wayland is a display server. It is not. It's a protocol that UI toolkits use to talk to the compositor (KWin, Weston etc.).
I'm pretty sure that Canonical, by now, are more or less certian they will need to provide for apps to talk Wayland to Mir as not everyone will be using one of the big UI toolkits that talk to Mir directly. To those app
Recent (daily) builds (Score:1)
It would be nice if they started to maintain a up-to-date ppa for ubuntu. After all it is a contestant for the standard browser for ubuntu. In my recollection the same thing is true for the windows version. If you want the most recent version you have to build it yourself. Which is ridiculous for a piece of software for which it is absolutely crucial to be up-to-date.