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Ubuntu Wants To Enable SSD TRIM By Default 135

jones_supa writes "During the first day of the latest virtual Ubuntu Developer Summit, Canonical developers finally plotted out the enabling of TRIM/DISCARD support by default for solid-state drives on Ubuntu 14.04. Ubuntu developers aren't looking to enable discard at the file-system level since it can slow down delete operations, so instead they're wanting to have their own cron job that routinely runs fstrim for TRIMing the system. In the past there has been talk about the TRIM implementation being unoptimized in the kernel. Around when Linux 3.0 was released, OpenSUSE noted that the kernel performs TRIM to a single range, instead of vectorized list of TRIM ranges, which is what the specification calls for. In some scenarios this results in lowered performance."
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Ubuntu Wants To Enable SSD TRIM By Default

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  • by readacc ( 3401189 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @07:29PM (#45468349)

    Windows 7 incorporated TRIM support for SSDs back in 2009. I know the Linux kernel can do it with the right mount options and has been able to for some time, but after a while you just assume distros are setting things automatically as expected (there's very few situations where TRIM is a bad idea, particularly on a desktop-focused distro like Ubuntu).

    There's a reason I still feel like using a poor-man's system when using Linux on the desktop. They just don't think hard enough about automating stuff. Heck, Ubuntu (and no other distro I believe) doesn't enable Wake-on-lan when you shutdown, whereas Windows 7 and onwards does. This is something you have to script in yourself. Why the fuck aren't distros doing things you can reliably expect in commercials operating systems!?!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @07:37PM (#45468401)

    I really don't know about windows TRIM support, but It'd better do it only if the HDD supports it. For this it requires HDD specific drivers. Or at least a complete list of drives that support TRIM. This isn't necessarily available to all linux distros.

    About the wake-on-lan thing, I can only say that on lenovo systems, it's possible to take-over the system by wake-on-lan in the default configuration (because you can boot from dhcp/tftp by default). So I'm pretty glad they didn't enable this by default. Sounds more like a well-thought choice than a missing feature.

    So imho, those distros chose some very good defaults, especially for your usecase.

  • by tepples ( 727027 ) <> on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @07:42PM (#45468441) Homepage Journal
    Solid-state drives (SSDs) [] are an alternative to hard disk drives using flash memory instead of spinning platters. This greatly improves read speeds but doesn't do quite as much for write speeds. One reason is that each sector on a solid-state drive can only be erased a finite number of times before it starts failing. For this reason, the microcontroller in an SSD perform wear leveling [] to spread writes across more physical sectors. TRIM [] is a feature that an operating system can use to notify a drive that a range of sectors has become unused, which helps wear leveling run more efficiently. A cron job [] is a program that runs periodically in the background, and Canonical (the publisher of Ubuntu, a distribution of the GNU/Linux operating system) wants to add a cron job that scans attached drives for unused sectors and sends TRIM commands for these sectors. It's possible for an operating system kernel to send a TRIM command for multiple ranges of sectors, but the current version of Linux doesn't know this and instead sends one range at a time. This slows down deleting files because the kernel has to notify the drive of each sector range as the file is deleted. To work around this missing feature of Linux, the cron job will TRIM when a drive isn't busy doing something else.
  • by adisakp ( 705706 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @07:49PM (#45468495) Journal

    "As long as that SSD doesn't stall trying to pull blocks off the top of that queue, it really doesn't matter how deep it is. So if you have 10GB of free space on your partition, you only need to call / fstrim once every 10GB worth of file deletions."

    This isn't necessarily true. Earlier Trim will improve the performance of the SSD drive because the drive knows more free space -- more free space allows the drive to 1) pre-emptively erase flash 2) coalesce fragmented blocks 3) more efficiently combine write blocks 4) perform wear levelling operations with less overhead.

    Early trimming can have a similar effect to the manufacturer increasing slack space which increases performances on nearly all SSD's.

  • by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @07:57PM (#45468559) Homepage Journal

    Quick terminology note: Flash storage is divided into large blocks, commonly called pages (to avoid confusion with disk blocks). Each page contains many disk blocks.

    Flash storage has an interesting property in that you can change individual bits in only a single direction (either from 0 to 1 or 1 to 0, depending on the flash type). To change it in the other direction, you must wipe an entire flash page, which means rewriting the contents of a large number of blocks. To avoid a high risk of a power failure causing the loss of data that wasn't even changing at the time, the flash controller does not do the erase and rewrite in place. Instead, it rewrites the entire page in a different physical location (with an updated copy of the changed block or blocks), and then atomically changes the block or page mapping so that the blocks are now associated with the new physical page. It then erases the original page so that it can be reused during a subsequent write operation.

    This need to erase and rewrite has a side effect, however. As the flash drive gets more and more full, it eventually runs low on pages that can be erased ahead of time, because eventually every block on the disk has had something written to it at some point in the past, even if that block is no longer actively being used by any actual file. The disk does keep some spare pages around, but that only goes so far towards fixing this problem. This means erasing pages during the write operation itself, which is a much slower operation than writing to a pre-erased page. Many of those pages, however, may contain only data that is no longer relevant—blocks from files that were deleted a long time ago. Therefore, if the flash controller could somehow know that it is safe to pre-erase those pages ahead of time, they could be ready to go when you need to write data to them.

    Unfortunately, it isn't practical for a flash controller to understand every possible file system, which makes that somewhat difficult. To solve this problem, they added a new ATA command, called TRIM. The operating system sends a TRIM command to tell the flash controller that the blocks within a certain range are no longer in use by the filesystem, which means that the flash pages that contain those blocks can be pre-erased for fast reuse.

  • Re:What the fuck? (Score:5, Informative)

    by dshk ( 838175 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @07:58PM (#45468567)

    TRIM is essential for maintaining SSD performance.

    This is not so simple.

    The original TRIM command is non-queued. It can kill drive performance on servers, so enterprise drives are designed to work well without TRIM. If you want better, and more importantly consistent performance then you should overprovision the drive. Overprovisioning means that you do not partition 20-40% of a new drive (or a used drive, after a secure erase). Those blocks will never be used, therefore the drive always have plenty of free space, so there is no need for trim.

    Queued TRIM command appeared only in the SATA 3.1 specification, so only new drives support it.

  • by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @08:07PM (#45468607)

    Of source it doesn't implement the standard because it's a OS kernel, not a hard drive.
    The drives implement TRIM, Linux just doesn't take full advantage of its capabilities.

    The drive does shit (shit that you don't get to know the details about) when issued a TRIM command.
    The OS is responsible for sending that TRIM command.

    TRIM tells the drive when data is deleted, allowing the drive to do whatever it thinks is best when writing pages of data or erasing blocks of data.
    Without TRIM, the drives considers all previously written data to be valid because it doesn't know about deletions (they're done at the logical level within the file system).

    TRIM enables your drive to have much more flexibility when writing (and overwriting) data, and when load balancing and garbage collecting. It also reduces the need for load balancing and garbage collecting.

    All decent modern SSDs support TRIM for good reason. All decent modern OSs should as well.
    Now if I could just get Intel to enable TRIM on RAID 0 for my chipset (1 generation behind the cutoff), I'd be set.

  • by Microlith ( 54737 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @08:12PM (#45468633)

    Linux fully supports TRIM and failure to enable it will not damage the device in any way. What will happen is the device will slow down and spend more time freeing blocks as-needed if the drive is increasingly full.

    Of course, if your SSD is your boot drive and you have /home elsewhere, chances are you aren't going to suffer and current drives are significantly faster than older ones (and at their worst, still significantly faster than rotating media.)

  • Re:It's cache (Score:4, Informative)

    by PhrostyMcByte ( 589271 ) <> on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @09:03PM (#45468987) Homepage
    The reason mobile browsers discard pages rather than write them to disk is that they use flash memory. Unlike a SSD which has expensive chips and lots of them, able to spread the writes around and implementing a RAID for speed, the flash in your phones and tablets is a lot more like a microsd card: rather low bandwidth and less useful write cycles.
  • Re:Secure deletion (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @11:21PM (#45469691)

    Why go to the trouble of implementing a command implicitly when you can implement it explicitly and avoid unintended side effects?

    Because the explicit command causes unintended side effects in drives manufactured prior to the command's introduction [].

    What in the fuck, you seriously consider some dude's admitted speculation as proof that this is a real risk?

    Here's some vastly more likely semi-informed speculation: Like most modern standards, SATA has many optional features, and standardized discovery methods to inform software what each device can and cannot do. If a drive says it doesn't support TRIM (or, to be more precise, lacks some new capability tag which says it can do TRIM), the OS simply never issues a TRIM command.

    It's like you (and that Immerman dude) have no concept of how sane people design protocols to safely accommodate future extensions.

    Not to mention operating systems would still need to change the way they handle the disk to support the 0xFF method

    Any file system supporting "secure" deletion should be filling deleted files' sectors in the background anyway.

    Which operating system would that be? I'm not aware of any mainstream OS which even tries to implement secure deletion at the kernel level. I know of exactly one (OS X) which implements it in a user-visible way at all, and there it's just an option to "secure empty" Trash (read: it overwrites file contents in place). This is really not very secure since it is 100% userland code which has no way of tracking all the blocks ever occupied by that file and scrubbing them all -- it can only scrub blocks currently occupied by the file. It can defeat casual attempts to recover file contents, but there aren't any guarantees.

    But it's worse than that. Let's say you tried to write an OS For Paranoids which, at the kernel level, scrubbed all blocks as the file was deleted or as they ceased to be part of a file. This still would not be truly secure. ATA (and other abstract block device protocols like SCSI) implements semantics somewhat like this: "If you read block N, you'll get back whatever was last written to block N, or undefined data if N was TRIMmed and not subsequently written to". There is absolutely no guarantee that the device did not make invisible, unaddressable extra copies of the contents of block N behind the operating system's back. As a matter of fact, SSDs frequently do just that -- it's required if you're going to implement effective wear leveling. Even HDDs frequently leave invisible copies of old data behind whenever they have to spare out a bad sector. Merely overwriting blocks is not, and never has been, a true guarantee that the contents are actually gone from storage media.

    This is why good SSDs implement the ATA Secure Erase command, which (if implemented according to spec) truly erases 100% of the media, including all overprovisioned space, any invisible copies of old data which it may contain, and so on. But wait, oh mah gawd that's another new command- HOLY SHIT IT WILL NEVER WORK BECAUSE NOBODY CAN EVER ADD NEW THINGS TO A STANDARD!!! why did I not see this before?!

    Tepples, please, for the sake of my sanity, please consider no longer arguing endlessly with posters who are explaining how shit works in the real world. Next time, instead of succumbing to the temptation of raising objection after objection based on your ideas about how things ought to work, consider the possibility that those ideas are naive and wrong.

  • Re:What the fuck? (Score:5, Informative)

    by subreality ( 157447 ) on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @01:53AM (#45470291)

    Those blocks will never be used, therefore the drive always have plenty of free space, so there is no need for trim.

    It's not quite that simple either.

    SSDs write in pages, but erase in blocks of pages. When a page is changed it gets rewritten to another block. The original page is marked as free, but it can't be erased until the whole block is free. Therefore the SSD performs garbage collection of free pages, re-packing them into complete blocks.

    On its own the SSD only knows which pages it freed during rewrites - it doesn't know about pages that COULD be freed because they're deleted. Overprovisioning prevents blocking when there are no free pages (that's a huge win), but the drive still wastes lots of time and wear-life moving deleted data around during GC. TRIM provides the necessary hint to prevent that waste.

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