Firefox 28 Arrives With VP9 Video Decoding, HTML5 Volume Controls 142
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla today officially launched Firefox 28 for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. Additions include VP9 video decoding, Web notifications on OS X, and volume controls for HTML5 video and audio. Firefox 28 has been released over on Firefox.com and all existing users should be able to upgrade to it automatically. The full release notes are available. As always, the Android version is trickling out slowly on Google Play (Android release notes)."
Mozilla also announced tools to bring the Unity game engine to WebGL and asm.js.
I'm still alive (Score:5, Funny)
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Try the same test with Windows 8.1....
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Why would I want to do that? I'd sooner take a hammer to the thing and smash it to bits.
I know someone who actually did that ... with a sledgehammer.
I asked him if that was an expensive outburst. He said yes. I asked him if it was gratifying. He said "you have no idea".
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No. He just likes to get work done with an interface designed for the hardware used.
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Try the same test with Windows 8.1....
Windows 8.1 with the newly leaked "Update 1" un-does many of the mistakes Microsoft made with Windows 8. After a bit of tweaking and wrangling, I was able to get a system that was actually usable and very similar to Windows 7, other than:
(a) An ugly, shitty color scheme
(b) A "Start Screen" that is cluttered and less useful that the old "Start Menu" and
(c) Windows Explorer (now called "File Explorer") uses the Godawful "ribbon" which makes things more cluttered, confusing and overall less useful.
Windows 8 s
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a. there's more to an interface than color
b. the start screen is one of the problems. changing its tiles solves nothing.
c. 'clearly' traditional menus are better. I'm already used to them and they autohide after clicking an item or by clicking elsewhere. no need for carets. (see? I can do it too)
The biggest problem with windows 8 is windows 8.
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I'm reading this on Firefox 28 running on Windows 8.1. No issues so far, but to be fair, this is the only page I've surfed to so far.
Windows 8.1 doesn't have stability problems. It has UX problems, but the OS beneath has been fine.
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You should see what happens to websites when you upgrade IE then?
There is a reason corps are afraid of change when it comes to a new IE flavored browser.
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Installed the update and it didn't turn my laptop into a smoking crater on my desk; so far, so good..
Are you on Windows 7 with IE 10 installed? Or Windows 8.1?
Text Rendering Issues on Windows 7 with Platform Update KB2670838 (MSIE 10 Prerequisite) or on Windows 8.1 [mozilla.org]
It boggles my mind that they released the browser with this bug unresolved. Almost 500 comments on the Bugzilla entry and the end result was "ship it!" I mean, look at some of these screenshots:
https://bug812695.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=682682 [mozilla.org]
https://bug812695.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=735090 [mozilla.org]
https://bug812695.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=797936 [mozilla.org]
https://bug812695.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=720401 [mozilla.org]
Who g
Maybe they (mozilla org) just don't care about (Score:2)
Re:I'm still alive (Score:5, Informative)
Are you on Windows 7 with IE 10 installed and broken R600 graphics drivers?
FTFO.
It boggles my mind that they released the browser with this bug unresolved.
You can only resolve bugs in your code. That's a bug in ATI's drivers, what they can do is to work around the bug, which they did [mozilla.org].
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As another poster stated this appears to be a radeon bug, not a firefox bug. The person experiencing the issue stopped seeing it after a driver upgrade.
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Installed the update and it didn't turn my laptop into a smoking crater on my desk; so far, so good..
Just wait till Firefox 29, aka Australisaurus (assuming they stick to their release schedule).
If you haven't had the displeasure yet, check out one of the recent beta builds. It is a marvel of stupidity and in one fell swoop Mozilla has managed to destroy almost everything that made Firefox popular in the first place.
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I'm not partial to Australis either, but overreact much? You make it sound like everything's changed. It hasn't. Australis is a GUI change that only really breaks some stuff for really uptight people like me and people using addons that were destined to break as Firefox modernized their code anyway.
Besides, if you're THAT offended by change, there's an addon to revert the most "offensive" changes, a planned ESR release that will buy you 9 weeks of extra non-Australis Firefox, AND you always have the option
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Try making arguments without ad-hominem. Just because someone objects to change doesn't mean it's due to fear.
Automatically? (Score:4, Informative)
...and all existing users should be able to upgrade to it automatically
Not for those of us running Gentoo linux.
Re:Automatically? (Score:5, Funny)
Not for those of us running Gentoo linux.
Then you're in luck! You get to do it the hard way, which should please you since you're using Gentoo.
Re:Automatically? (Score:5, Funny)
Gentoo users probably get more entertainment watching the game compile rather than actually playing the game. Go figure.
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Whoops, wrong article. But it still applies! Sort of...
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Not for those of us running Gentoo linux.
Then you're in luck! You get to do it the hard way, which should please you since you're using Gentoo.
Typing emerge --sync && emerge -uDNvt world is hardly what I would call "hard". The point of my post is that not all users can automatically update as the article summary suggested.
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Have you actually used portage lately? There's so many circular dependencies that it usually breaks and it can't work them out; it's up to the user to sort it out. You used to update world, then rebuild dependencies - now portage tries to do that beforehand (which takes forever) and in most cases barfs because it can't figure it out.
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I update at least once every two days and I very rarely experience problems caused by portage. It pulls in all requred dependencies for me automatically and I can stop it from installing crap I don't want via USE flags. I've run a number of linux distributions and gentoo is my favourite.
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Yes.. adding >=www-client/firefox-28 to /etc/portage/package.mask/firefox is extremely difficult, especially for the people who post here. Installing it is even harder as 'emerge firefox' must be typed into the console.
Browsers are too heavy (Score:4, Insightful)
We have come full circle. The rationale for 'puting x in the browser' is so that I wouldn't need x software for y platform...just a browser.
Nowadays browsers have so much functionality built-in they weigh a ton[in memory]. I don't want all that shit. Just show me the static content. Keep the spinning rims for the simpletons.
TLDR; I long for the days when all my browser could do display static content. All I ever wanted was standardized media formats[without DRM]
Re:Browsers are too heavy (Score:5, Insightful)
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I think his point was that what browsers offer is redundant while modern improvements brought benefits to pcs. Browsers were simply meant to show static content. Making them scriptable is what killed the original point of http: platform independent documents. It also brought a slew of security problems that are still dealt with today... Oh, and it encourages hostile user/developer relationships a la SaaS.
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Reductio ad absurdum
Which isn't a fallacy unless it's a straw man argument.
Straw (Score:2)
Reductio ad absurdum is mutually exclusive of straw man not a subset.
Straw man is a common error when trying to build a reductio ad absurdum, if Wikipedia's article about the latter is to be believed. A lot of people end up reducing the wrong premise to an abomination or contradiction.
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Nothing personal against you, but anyone who you uses the term "Straw Man" is a big fag that needs to take a break from the Internet for awhile. Maybe take a shower.
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That's ad hominem!
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Nothing personal against you, but anyone who you uses the term "Straw Man" is a big fag that needs to take a break from the Internet for awhile. Maybe take a shower.
That would be much more accurate if you said "No True Scotsman" and not "Straw Man".
Observation: about a year ago, Slashdot users finally discovered, in a collective groupthink style, that there was such a thing as the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Since then, they have tried to invoke it in every possible conversation, even where it does not apply. Conclusion: there are a lot of insecure nerds who are eager to show off their perceived superior intelligence. Since they are driven by insecurity, they do
[meta] NTS, hypocrisy, and misunderstood words (Score:2)
I mentioned that people who call themselves Christians but then commit acts of violence, for flimsy reasons and without provocation, are not in fact practicing Christianity. Some fool cried "hehe I guss there is No True Scotsman then huh?!" while patting himself on the back fiercely.
If someone wrongfully accuses you of creating a no true Scotsman (NTS) fallacy when discussing hypocrisy among self-proclaimed Christians, here's how I'd reply: "I've always defined 'Christian' as someone who follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Anyone who claims Christianity but materially fails to practice it is something else: a 'hypocrite'. In Jesus's time, there were hypocrites in the leadership of Pharisaic Judaism, and he tore them a new anus in a speech recorded at Matthew 23 [wikipedia.org]." Clearly defini
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I would rather have X in a browser than to use an insecure DRM plugin with security holes to make up for a lack of functionality in ancient browsers. Cough Java cough Adobe flash cough Adobe reader.
I like where the web is heading. No I do not think a chromebook with html5 apps is the equivalent of a real os but to use basic logic in javascript, use hardware accelerated media with css 3 and html 5 inside an app like an applet or even in a browser is great.
Look at the internethistory project or whatever it is
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Statically linked or dynamically linked, it'll be insecure.
Compared with today's 'designs', loaded with useless whitespace, content barren marketing speak, and tons of video ads? I'll take 1998's www any day.
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Then use dillo.
I would use it much more often if it could open tabs in background and the tab bar was less thin, but it works. (within those limits. can't log in to a particular forum which is mostly "web 1.0")
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I feel the same way. However note that all we have really needed the entire time is a way to position and display sets of graphic primitives. Curves, lines, gradients, polygons, rasters, audio, input, etc. and a bytecode language to control it all. Essentially a general purpose media player / platform for a game engine. We could then compile our web pages down from whatever markup language we wanted into a cross platform display system.
Instead we fixated on the high level constructs and wrote many redun
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There IS no static content, everything is laced with JS and cross site dependencies
Stability & performance Features (Score:5, Interesting)
I've had a love / hate relationship with Firefox for many years - but for about the past 18 months it's been mostly stable.
I'm an extremely heavy browser, ranging from 20 to 150 tabs open at a time.
This latest build (27.0.1) has been utter shite for stability, so I sure hope that was a priority for them. It would be nice if a single tab crashed it would just take out that tab. If that means more processes or memory, so be it. Also please copy chrome ASAP with the little microphone representing the noisy tab.
150 tabs? (Score:2)
No. Seriously?
I can see 20-40 tabs. But 150?
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No. Seriously?
I can see 20-40 tabs. But 150?
GP thinks # open tabs == manliness *or* has IMAX screen for monitor and really tiny font.
Re:150 tabs? (Score:5, Insightful)
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I have tons of tabs open, because bookmarks suck. EG if I'm working on a project with a new framework I might need to reference 3-4 APIs, and 5 classes in each, and 2-3 methods per class in a given hour or two. I want a tab for each method, with a tree of the parent classes and APIs. Tree-Style tabs lets me have that, but Firefox's bookmarks don't. So I leave tabs open. That results in 50-60 tabs or so. Sure, I close the tab group when the project is done, and subsets when I'm done with them, and use different windows to separate different projects/activities, but it results in lots of tabs. "Normal" people use tabs for current pages, I like to have both the current pages and a herarchical history of how I got to those pages. I also open all links in tabs. Tab hierarchies provide a combined history (with list of what lead where,) bookmarks, and tabs, all in one convenient interface. If bookmarks supported this nicely it would be great, but they don't.
That's a terrible way to work. Here's how to do it.
1: Look up what you need.
2: Do what you need.
3: Close the tab when you're done with it.
The URL bar will automatically populate shit. Need to look up a method or class again? Type that shit in and your browser will autocomplete that shit from history. But you'd rather paw through a hierarchical list of 60 tabs. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. You might as well just crawl the docs and index every link. That's not how the modern
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Different people respond better to different ways of working. Frankly, looking something up and then closing it drivers me utterly crazy - since I'm the kind of person that forgets about something once they can't see it. Doorway amnesia, out of sight, out of mind and all that. Please don't assume that because you find the "having lots of tabs" approach not your cup of tea that everyone is like that.
I suspect that much like the GP I've got a highly spatial memory, so I'll know pretty instinctively that the w
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Different people respond better to different ways of working. Frankly, looking something up and then closing it drivers me utterly crazy - since I'm the kind of person that forgets about something once they can't see it. Doorway amnesia, out of sight, out of mind and all that. Please don't assume that because you find the "having lots of tabs" approach not your cup of tea that everyone is like that.
(Emphasis added). That's the basis of egotism, also known as childishness.
When it operates in politics, you wind up with imbecilic laws like Prohibition and the current War on Drugs. The basis is, "*I* don't want to do that, therefore no one else should ever be allowed to do that either!"
Does anyone else remember this site years ago, back when occurrences of it on Slashdot were relatively rare events?
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Opening tons of basic html pages in a modern browser doesn't use too many resources.
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With folders, there's no way to preserve the links between levels easily, except perhaps naming the folders to match their corresponding tabs. With multiple tabs at one level, each of which has multiple subtabs it's hard to distinguish what came from where, it's just not well-suited to organizing things in this
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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/
The relations between the tabs are important to me, bookmarks don't provide a good way to preserve the relational information.
Of course I could store it all in a SQL database and write scripts to manage opening and closing the pages with an HTML viewer or such, but that's far more effort than using the tools already available.
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http://i62.tinypic.com/ienozb.... [tinypic.com] (Check tab outliner icon up to the right.)
Though I wouldn't call it "work."
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I work in real estate and will daily go through several thousand properties for each and every client. I go through all the inter-agency databases and agency web sites, hitting open in a new tab each time there is something interesting. Having 150 tabs open is not unusual if working on more than one client at once. I have tree-style tab installed, which makes it easy to manage. I can drag and drop duplicate properties from different agencies onto each other to group them. I will then, after many many hours,
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Isn't this just an argument for a new tool? Clearly what you have now is working for some value of working, and Firefox has finally (in the last couple of years) gotten good at actually restoring my tabs after a crash. But it seems like some tool that scraped these sites and put them into a database for you would be a lot more useful.
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In this thread: people who never have to work on more than one thing on any given day.
In this thread: Assmunch dipshits. No one works with 150 tabs at once, and no one believes anyone who claims to.
*I* don't personally use that many. In fact I have never needed anything close to 100.
... it's a means by which you are shaming yourself. The preval
I'm also not automatically hostile to someone who says they do. They have their reasons, and no number of tabs they use on their own equipment is going to infringe on the way I personally want to use my own browser.
So I just don't see a problem here. With a guy who says he uses so many tabs, that is. The flimsy excuse for hostility, on the other hand
They can't imagine a different life than their own (Score:1)
Firefox is now (v 27.01) more unstable that it was before, and it has always been the most unstable program in common use.
Try the Pale Moon [palemoon.org] version of Firefox. Mozilla Foundation is run by a lawyer with no technical experience. The Pale Moon people seem more knowledgeable. Also, there is a 64-bit version of Pale Moon.
Firefox crash statistics:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/
Top 21 Excuses for not fixing Firefox (Score:2)
Top 21 Excuses
for Not Fixing the
Firefox Memory and CPU Hogging bugs
These are actual excuses given at one time or another. They are not all the excuses, just the top 20.
1) Maybe this bug is fixed in the nightly build. [The same memory and CPU hogging bug has been reported many, many times over a period of TEN years.]
2) Yes, this bug exists, but other things are more important. [The bug eventually causes Firefox to take 100% of the power of one CPU, and makes Windows 7 unusa
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I had 150 before too. Basically, I had a bunch of web page with data forms intact.
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People use computers differently to other people, more news at 11.
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Tab outliner say 280 for me currently..
It happens all the time.
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Right now, I have half a dozen Firefox windows open:
#1 is the corporate intranet applications (task tracking, project tracking and a bunch of other things). This window typically has anywhere from 6-30 tabs open.
#2 is currently open to a wiki with technical documentation for the software I am working with. That has at least a few tabs and sometimes as many as 10-15 because the ve
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I don't like the UI for chrome, some of the decisions Google have made are quite gross, they really are becoming Apple with their "our way or the highway" approach.
No question chrome is fast, won't deny that for a second - but I just prefer FF - I can customise it to my needs.
(Disable tabs on top, add "tabs menu" addon, use tab mix plus - with very specific open / close / foreground and background ruleset) - stuff like that.
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Unless you're going to be submitting bug reports about the browser, or need bleeding-edge features (like VP9), you should just stay on the ESR branch:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/... [mozilla.org]
They make it hard to find, but I wouldn't use anything else... Those are the REAL stable releases, while their numbered releases are just betas.
With distros like CentOS/RHEL, the ESR version is in the yum
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Right now I have Chrome running and tab outliner say 280 tabs.
This machine only have 8 GB of RAM but the idea was to get a new one with 32 GB and as such I have 16 GB of swap allocated on the HDD. Once it reach 5-6 GB the machine get awfully slow though so the 50% recommendation (Linux partitioning) is likely good.
I like Firefox but I use to kill -9 it to free up RAM and if necessary be able to go back later by using restore (eventually it will stop saving such info though, I have no idea why.)
The thing wit
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Killing -9 is not nice, I suggest you install a "restart firefox" extension like I used to have.
Or may be you do that too for getting the start up dialog that allows to clear the junk by unticking tabs.. Sucks that Firefox doesn't allow that without force killing it!, and there's no command line argument for that. There's probably an extension but it should be part of the default software. Or I need a "Crash" menu item.
VP9 (Score:3)
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It's for Google to get everyone to spend a lot of time supporting a promising new codec to replace h264, so they can then never replace h264 in Chrome and waste everyone's collective time. But it's ok! It'll be useful for WebRTC! They promise!
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I have flash installed but disabled in Firefox on my work machine (because it made Firerox lock up). It's surprising how little I miss it. Embedded videos on most sites play just fine.
I often find an embedded Youtube video will play fine, but if I try to watch the same video on Youtube (because I want a higher resolution), it won't play without flash because Google wants to display advertising.
Vector animation (Score:2)
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Videos with ads or claims (Score:2)
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Change your user agent to iPad, a lot of those will work anyway.
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Change your user agent to iPad, a lot of those will work anyway.
And a lot of others will say "The content owner has not made this video available on mobile. Add to playlist to watch it later on a PC."
Re:VP9 (Score:5, Informative)
Have you tried enabling it ?:
http://youtube.com/html5 [youtube.com]
It has been improving, but only very slowly.
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Have you tried enabling it ?:
http://youtube.com/html5 [youtube.com]
It has been improving, but only very slowly.
Yes, I tried it.
Actually, I tried it in extreme form. I no longer install the Flash player plugin. I'm fed up with the updater.
And what I found was that most YouTube videos don't work in HTML5. So I use Firefox for my main browsing and Google Chrome for interacting with Google web sites.
If Google ends up with a distorted view of browser use statistics, that's their fault.
Now is the time to turn automatic updates off (Score:1)
If you currently have automatic updates on, this release of Firefox is the one where you probably want to turn them off.
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Is it supposed to be obvious why?
Re:Now is the time to turn automatic updates off (Score:4, Informative)
As covered on Slashdot previously [slashdot.org]: Australis is landing. If you read the official blog post [mozilla.org] you'll get the impression that this is all about improvements, but if you pay a bit more attention [ghacks.net] you'll see it's actually more about removing most of the in-browser customizability.
That's such a big change in direction that I don't think it's reasonable to consider Firefox 29 the same browser as previous versions, and I don't think anybody should automatically move from one to the other.
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If you currently have automatic updates on, this release of Firefox is the one where you probably want to turn them off.
You would be INSANE TO DO THIS. Ask any security guru about holes. Firefox 3.6 has +100 exploits! Think about that one when tempted to go back to the old good old days?
Here is what I use aka ESR release which gets updated only once a year [mozilla.org]. But for regular viewing I have upgraded to Chrome. FF is for corporate sites these days and firebug. Though it has improved vastly and plugins do not break as much like they used too.
Chrome and IE 9+ (no you did not misread that), both have multiprocess models and lowrigh
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The moment someone hacks a site you trust, which exploits an old browser vulnerability? The moment that an un-updated XP box is attacked by a machine through some ancient vulnerability you haven't patched? Maybe you'll open some attachment by accident that likewise ruins your day?
These kinds of things DO happen. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet doesn't mean you're safe. Do revel in your luck, but don't revel in false security. For all you know your PC is already part of a botnet.
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Go to anywebsite and you get infected. Done.
Just last week I did a fresh re-image I installed plugins and installed java (needed eclipse). I launched IE before I disabled the java plugin to download software. My webcam instantly came on!! MSN.com had a rogue adserver that launched a java based attack.
I had to get my image stick and start over again.
Flash ads can get in through buffer overflows, sandbox errors, exception handling techniques, and privledge escalation bugs. I had this debate without another sl
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The problem is that sometimes the update break things horribly and they don't do an emergency fix for it, you just have to wait until the next release cycle. Insufficient testing and an insanely short release cycle are major issues for Firefox. Chrome has some similar problems but they seem to be better at testing because so far I have not had any that make the browser actually unusable.
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The reason why is design.
Chrome is designed to be updated from the gecko (no pun intended). It's plugin is seperate with the api designed to be indepdent of constant updating. Webkit is designed to be embedded into things which is not only why Google uses it but Steam uses it as well. They tried with Firefox first but had problems as everything is kludged together browser style.
This is what I mean by modern design. IE is like a new browser after version 9 and it too can be updated more frequently where chan
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"3D hardware acceleration" on linux may mean any of slowness, glitches, instability, overheating, high CPU usage. e.g. folks with a Radeon 4000 series graphics card encounter problems with the 3D accelerated desktops (Gnome 3, Cinnamon). Or I don't really want my 8 year old GPU to be constantly used.
So, maybe hardware acceleration can be of use for some people. I don't care about it much but it might be useful.. But given the problems with drivers and old hardware (and possible lack of any GPU power managem
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"3D hardware acceleration" on linux may mean any of slowness, glitches, instability, overheating, high CPU usage. e.g. folks with a Radeon 4000 series graphics card encounter problems with the 3D accelerated desktops (Gnome 3, Cinnamon).
I have similar experiences with newer low-end Radeons (6290 and 6320). Even the basic desktop effects are choppy. Not to speak of games: for example Half-Life 2 has terrible frame rate. Both the open source and fglrx drivers are kind of crappy.
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I have similar experiences with newer low-end Radeons (6290 and 6320). Even the basic desktop effects are choppy.
Some of us have been telling you that ATI is a crock for years now, that their Linux support is a lie and that their hardware itself is unstable dookie. nVidia ain't perfect but if you're a Linux user it is the only practical choice. Sure you can get working ATI graphics by choosing the correct and perfectly antiquated (not too old, but certainly not new) GPU. Or, odds are, J.Random nVidia card will Just Work.
I have literally been watching ATI graphics drivers crash my OS since Mach32 on Windows 3.1.
New Firefox Sync pairing method? (Score:2)
What happened to that new, easier method of Firefox Sync device pairing that was supposed to come out in Firefox 27?
The big issue with the current method is to add a new Firefox instance to the group, it pretty much requires you to have access to both your new device and an existing device simultaneously. Unless you save the authentication key file it's impossible to sync different Firefox installs on a dual/multi-boot computer or recover your saved passwords and bookmarks if a device is non-usable from dam
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It's in 29.0. Just be aware that your data will be encrypted using the password you use to login to Sync, so ideally your password needs to have the same amount of entropy as your current sync key (meaning you'll need to get it from your existing browser anyway.)
Also, I can't quite get my head around how you can do authentication with a password, use the same password as an encryption key, and keep that key a secret from the party doing the authentication. There's a document describing the protocol here [github.com] if
Finally! Full Flexbox support! (Score:3)