FBI Drone Deployment Timeline 33
An anonymous reader writes "The FBI insists that it uses drone technology to conduct surveillance in 'very limited circumstances.' What those particular circumstances are remain a mystery, particularly since the Bureau refuses to identify instances where agents deployed unmanned aerial vehicles, even as far back as 2006. In a letter to Senator Ron Paul last July, the FBI indicated that it had used drones a total of ten times since late 2006—eight criminal cases and two national security cases—and had authorized drone deployments in three additional cases, but did not actually fly them. The sole specific case where the FBI is willing to confirm using a drone was in February 2013, as surveillance support for a child kidnapping case in Alabama. New documents obtained by MuckRock as part of the Drone Census flesh out the timeline of FBI drone deployments in detail that was previously unavailable. While heavily redacted—censors deemed even basic facts that were already public about the Alabama case to be too sensitive for release, apparently—these flight orders, after action reviews and mission reports contain new details of FBI drone flights."
Ron Paul was never a Senator (Score:3, Informative)
Perhaps you meant his son Senator 'Rand' Paul?
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Give samzenpus a break. It's not like he's an editor of a large new aggregation site or anything.
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Perhaps you meant his son Senator 'Rand' Paul?
. . . or father John Paul II . . . ?
. . . or former Texas Senator H. Ron Peron . . . ?
. . . or even, . . . stretching it . . . , L. Ron Hubbard . . . ?
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Da do, Ron Ron Ron
Da do, Ron Ron
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How many times do they do it a week without all that official authorization stuff?
If they use them in criminal investigations the usage eventually becomes part of the public record when entered into evidence. Using them for search and rescue ought to be non-controversial enough. "National Security" is of course the grey area, though there's a fair amount of overlap between National Security and criminal prosecutions, for offenses like espionage or terrorism, so a lot of that use would eventually make it into the public record as well.
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If they use them in criminal investigations the usage eventually becomes part of the public record when entered into evidence.
so how are these ten cases then so fucking secret? and they don't need to enter the drone data into evidence if they don't use it as an evidence. it's obvious they want to keep the drone use as a secret ace card in their book. only problem is that law enforcement isn't supposed to have budget or permission for such cards...
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How many times do they do it a week without all that official authorization stuff?
If they use them in criminal investigations the usage eventually becomes part of the public record when entered into evidence. Using them for search and rescue ought to be non-controversial enough. "National Security" is of course the grey area, though there's a fair amount of overlap between National Security and criminal prosecutions, for offenses like espionage or terrorism, so a lot of that use would eventually make it into the public record as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
While used in the context of how an investigation begins, it really applies to any investigation step which would otherwise be fruit of the poisonous tree.
And some thought that using military troops on the border just for support activities of law enforcement was a good thing that would have no other repercussions. A better question would be: Who actually OPERATED the drones, 'cause I doubt the FBI has a special drone-operating unit. (13 uses in 8 yea
more like this everyday (Score:2)
Re:more like this everyday (Score:4, Interesting)
$55 Drone that could have your kid in jail, or hero for finding lost "stuff"; it's hit or miss.
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Why Transparency is Important (Score:5, Insightful)
It should be clear by now that having anything less than complete transparency for these agencies is foolish, because we become the target of the tools when they are used in secret silence. Elected representatives are worthless in this regard. We need transparency via reporting requirements and guidelines that give full information to the public.
If we are expected to be responsible for what these agencies do, then we need to know what they are doing.
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At the end of the day, you're still relying on foxes properly filling out their TPS henhouse reports.
Very limited secret circumstances. (Score:1)
Drones to anyone who has a need via miltary (Score:4, Informative)
Doh! it's deeper than it reads.
Ethan Kidnapping (child kidnapping case in Alabama. ):
"The FBI had borrowed from the U.S. military high-tech detection equipment similar to the technology used to discover homemade bombs in war zones, three Defense Department officials told CNN.
It was unclear whether the equipment, which is not readily available to civilian law enforcement, had been used by the FBI.
One of the defense officials said no members of the military were involved in the rescue. They would have been acting a technical advisers, the official said."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/04/... [cnn.com]
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"technical advisers"
technical adviser = either a 0 or a 1
technical adviser = apply the bandage to the wound
technical adviser = just pull the trigger
That one put me on the list...
Just like the NSA (Score:2)
Yeah, right.
If you believe that, I have some promises from our political parties to guarantee for you, too.
"Drone" -- the "cloud" of aviation? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think we're getting to the point where "drone" has become a generic buzzword for any kind of remotely piloted aircraft that can do any kind of visual surveillance, whether it's a $100 toy that can take pictures of my back yard or a multi-million dollar turbofan-powered military aircraft with explosive missiles.
I hate to sound like an apologist for the FBI, and I'm sure whatever they fly is probably more sophisticated than a lot of quadcopters, but I think some of the reaction to the FBI using drones seems misplaced. It's not like the FBI doesn't have access to Blackhawk helicopters and probably more than few equipped with military-grade FLIR & other surveillance gear. If they can accomplish whatever air surveillance they need without burning through $5k/hour or whatever it costs to operate a Blackhawk or the millions to buy another one, I'm OK with that.
I think sometimes the fuzzy definition of drone implies the FBI has this magic fleet of autonomous surveillance craft performing wireless intercepts, reading my mail and spying in my bedroom window. I'm just not sure that's what's really happening.
Of course the FBI's secrecy and [redacted] behavior doesn't help.
Extrapolating from growth rate of NSLs, etc... (Score:2)