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The Era of Saturday Morning Cartoons Is Dead 320

An anonymous reader writes Gizmodo published an article on Saturday pointing out that, with The CW having aired its last episodes of Vortexx cartoons last weekend, this is the first weekend in the United States with no Saturday morning cartoons playing on national broadcast stations. NBC stopped airing Saturday morning cartoons in 1992, CBS stopped shortly after, and ABC followed suit in 2004. Gizmodo failed to take into account the Public Broadcast Station (PBS), but during an age of instant online media access...and cable...the oversight is understandable because everyone has already moved on. TV is dead. Long live the Internet.
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The Era of Saturday Morning Cartoons Is Dead

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  • by houstonbofh ( 602064 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @10:14PM (#48066117)
    After 2 days of discussion I am kinda done with this topic. So much for leading the pack.
  • not quite (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jaymz666 ( 34050 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @10:16PM (#48066129)

    billions still watch TV. Not quite dead yet

    • Re:not quite (Score:4, Insightful)

      by reanjr ( 588767 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @10:28PM (#48066171) Homepage

      But those people are typically too poor to have high speed internet. They don't spend money. That's why everything is reality TV now. Anything else is too expensive to produce because the ad dollars just aren't there.

      • Re:not quite (Score:5, Informative)

        by jaymz666 ( 34050 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @10:43PM (#48066243)

        Except for Game of Throne, and The Walking Dead, and True Blood, and The Good Wife, and Big Bang Theory and a whole host of other shows that somehow still get made and watched.

        • by Macrat ( 638047 )

          Except for Game of Throne, and The Walking Dead, and True Blood, and The Good Wife, and Big Bang Theory and a whole host of other shows that somehow still get made and watched.

          That's not "TV," it's cable.

          • Re:not quite (Score:4, Informative)

            by jaymz666 ( 34050 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @10:56PM (#48066313)

            You might want to check your sources there. At least two of those shows are on regular TV stations.

            • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

              Really? I live in Canada, and none of those show up on regular TV stations(in my area) they're all on cable. In canada at least 25% of households also use netflix as their primary source for said shows as well and it's increasing.

        • by jd ( 1658 )

          Is porn with some swords and sorcery. Which means you can't focus on either.

      • Re:not quite (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 05, 2014 @02:25AM (#48066855)

        Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. As someone with 12 years in the industry (why I am posting anonymously) it isn't that people aren't watching TV. People watch loads of TV, and if you want to watch cartoons on saturday morning you can. You can watch one type on Nick, another type on Disney, another type on Cartoon Network and... the issue is that the households with kids who decide not to get cable aren't large enough now to justify the expense vs profit.

        There are two things going on here:

        1. Profit-seeking.
        This is cost/revenue stuff. If you can get $5 million for 10 million viewers with production costs of $4 million, you've just made $1 million. If you can get the same viewership while spending $1.5 million on cheaper programming, you've just made $3.5 million. And remember, these types of numbers aren't just about total viewers, you get much better ad prices for different demographics... an example might be The Office, which never had spectacular ratings yet the ratings it did have skewed towards affluent and younger. They could license cartoons instead of paying to have them made, but have decided they make more running other stuff.

        2. Market fragmentation.

        There will never be another Cheers, where 50-75% of the country watched the finale, or where everyone at work the next day had watched last night. They still watch boatloads of TV, they simply have 180+ channels to do it on hence why niche (and yes, cheaper) programming is a valid way to focus *unless* you are a network. Everyone wants as many viewers as possible, in the most desired-demos possible... but due to fragmentation, you can still win the night by targeting a specific niche, whether ethnicity or class or gender (gender, being 50/50, is often the better bet).

  • We still have Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [smbc-comics.com]
  • If Saturday morning cartoons have been replaced with cartoons on demand served over wired broadband, then how should people outside the service area of wired broadband justify the cost of moving into the service area of wired broadband? Some people in my own extended family are stuck on satellite Internet with its 10 GB/mo cap.
    • Just download instead of stream. Actually, that is a better answer for places with broadband too with all of the throttling (we don't throttle! Really!) going on... Sure there is the legal thing about it, but it works.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @10:33PM (#48066195)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • R.I.P., Saturday morning cartoons. I guess it's all real news for the kids of today...

      You found real news on broadcast or cable television? When is it on, and what network or channel? I must view this beast, formally thought to be utterly extinct!

      • R.I.P., Saturday morning cartoons. I guess it's all real news for the kids of today...

        You found real news on broadcast or cable television? When is it on, and what network or channel? I must view this beast, formally thought to be utterly extinct!

        It is a reality show next season. They will take a CNN and a Fox newscaster and lock em in a cage until only one is left reporting.

    • by Dahamma ( 304068 )

      Tom & Jerry's violence would never be shown today, too much violence in them.

      Eh, maybe not on Saturday morning, but have you ever watched the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, etc? It's still there...

      But I agree and am saddened by the loss of the true Saturday morning cartoon today. Hell, even after I was beyond-college-age I still liked to drag my ass out of bed on Saturday in the 90's to watch The Tick, X-Men, Pinky and the Brain, and the few other cartoons that kept the faith.

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      R.I.P., Saturday morning cartoons. I guess it's all real news for the kids of today...

      No, cartoons are still around. We call them "animated" these days because they're not just limited to hand drawn and animated art, but also include CGI and other types.

      And I thought the Saturday morning cartoons (something I remember doing in the 80s) were dead when the likes of Cartoon Network and other networks that showed cartoons all day 24/7 cropped up. There was no reason otherwise to wake up early on Saturdays to ca

  • What killed it? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kuzb ( 724081 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @10:34PM (#48066203)

    Simple. They made shit and kids didn't want to watch it. They butchered shows so badly and made so many rules that it was impossible to make anything other than shit.

  • Looney Tunes (Score:4, Insightful)

    by p51d007 ( 656414 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @10:37PM (#48066219)
    Looney Tunes, Bugs, Elmer Road Runner etc...THOSE were cartoons. What happened is the political correctness destroyed them. Speedy Gonzales, nope, making fun of Mexicans, Sylvester, Elmer, nope, makes fun of someone with a speech problem. Then you run into the whole "too violent" problem. Daffy walks into a shotgun blast from Elmer, the Coyote falls off a cliff, hits the ground and an Acme safe falls on him, too violent. Even the reruns the cartoon network use to show have been butchered. They show the coyote at the edge of a cliff, then on the ground a few seconds later. Oh yeah and the video games, crap on tv isn't violent? Political correctness destroyed the Saturday morning cartoon along with instant access streaming, and political correctness is destroying America and the rest of western civilization along with multiculturalism.
    • by fyngyrz ( 762201 )

      amen, brother.

    • No, it's cultimulcharism.

      The cults are mulching America.

    • Re:Looney Tunes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mlts ( 1038732 ) on Saturday October 04, 2014 @11:10PM (#48066359)

      There is also the fact that cartoons were not obviously just advertisements for products. Yes, there was merchandising... but a Bugs Bunny cartoon stood alone... it wasn't something made to sell a Bugs doll or an Elmer-Fudd styled blunderbuss.

      There is also the quality difference. The 1950s backdrops that were painted by hand versus crap where the characters barely move when dialog happens. It is nice to see a mouth move, not a square or triangle flash when a character makes dialog. Mainstream animation is junk for the most part.

      The sad thing, there are still quality artists out there. You just don't see their animation work on TV because their work isn't selling something or is part of a merchandising campaign to get kids whining to their parents for yet another made-in-China toy that ends up tossed in the trash in less than a few months.

      • Re:Looney Tunes (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 05, 2014 @02:45AM (#48066893)

        There is also the quality difference. The 1950s backdrops that were painted by hand versus crap where the characters barely move when dialog happens.

        Do you know what killed the quality animation?

        Saturday morning cartoons.

        The early cartoons were shown in movies. When they switched to TV, they needed so much more new cartoons that it just wasn't possible to have any quality in the animation anymore.

        When you think of 1960s and 1970s Saturday morning cartoons, don't think about the Looney Tunes that were made in the 1940s for movies. Think about Top Cat, Snagglepuss, Lippy the Lion & Hardy Har Har, Magilla Gorilla, Atom Ant, and all the other mass-produced drock from Hanna-Barbera.

    • Re:Looney Tunes (Score:5, Informative)

      by C0R1D4N ( 970153 ) on Sunday October 05, 2014 @12:08AM (#48066537)
      First off, Speedy Gonzalez is LOVED in Mexico, he's a cultural icon there, not a stereotype (his slower cousin maybe not as well received). Also there was a recent show [wikipedia.org] that featured all the characters and definitely as enjoyable or more enjoyable for adults.
    • Re:Looney Tunes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by vux984 ( 928602 ) on Sunday October 05, 2014 @12:37AM (#48066615)

      Looney Tunes, Bugs, Elmer Road Runner etc...THOSE were cartoons.

      And flinstones and jetsons... but while the looney toons violence is timeless... the flintstones humor hasn't aged well.

      And Rocket Robin Hood and Hercules were from the same era and were shit.

      Point is not everything pre-1970 was good, even if it was the golden age.

      But yeah, the 70s and 80s had some hits ... smurfs, transformers, tom and jerry etc... but sure the end of the 80s was pretty bad... Smoggies remains fixed in my mind as the pinnacle of PC schlock.

      But it rebounded, those died off, as even kids wouldn't watch them. And lots of 90s cartoons are solid ... from Tiny Toons and Animaniacs to Talespin, Darkwing Duck, The Tick, Dexters Lab....

      And there's lots of good shows on today. Gravity Falls, Adventure Time, Phineas and Ferb to name a few...

      Political correctness destroyed the Saturday morning cartoon

      In a word no. What destroyed the "Saturday Morning Cartoon" is quite simply that the majority of people who want to watch cartoons have cable or satellite with 24 hour cartoon networks. It wasn't the internet or political correctness or streaming.

      When I was a kid, saturday morning was about the only block of cartoons I could watch we lived around them in a sense. My kids? Have cartoon network, and ytv... they aren't going to even think to switch it to NBC or something for a 4 hour block once a week...

      The internet and streaming, sure just more nails in the coffin, but it was already dead.

      And Political correctness? Sure it set cartoons back in the late 80s, but its been 20 years since; and there are cartoons out now that are better than ever.

      • Think you hit it on the head with Cartoon Network and other cable offerings.

        Why would kids limit themselves to that three hour block on Saturday mornings when they can watch whenever they want on CN?

        Cable TV killed the Saturday morning cartoons.

    • Multiculturalism literally made America.
  • Today was saturday... and this morning my 6yr old was watching cartoons.

    Granted, it was on youtube... but still.

  • Here in the Pacific Northwest, we have QUBO on broadcast OTA TV. Why limit yourself to Saturday mornings when you can have a 24/7 cartoon station? At times this station has been known to play shows like He-Man/She-Ra and Star Wars: Clone Wars, so overall not too bad! (though it is primarily a station for preschoolers during the day)

  • I think Zach Weinersmith (http://www.smbc-comics.com/) would disagree :)
  • Let's face it, Saturday morning cartoons from the 60s to the 80s were 90% garbage. The animation revival in the 90's, along with more channels dedicated to cartoons, changed all that, for the better.

    In Memoriam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

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    • Re:Good. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ultranova ( 717540 ) on Sunday October 05, 2014 @05:25AM (#48067181)

      Let's face it, Saturday morning cartoons from the 60s to the 80s were 90% garbage.

      90% of everything is garbage. It's just that the oceans of time wash it out, leaving only the gold nuggets. Of course, an actual ocean will also have the same effect, which is why anime became such a hit in the West.

      • Of course my 90% figure was being generous. But really, what gold nuggets? Sure you may have some nostalgia for old episodes of Scooby-Doo or The Superfriends, until you actually go back and watch them and you realize that the makers figured that kids will watch any poorly-made crap they threw up on the screen. And sadly, they were right.

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  • In the US there are like 5 cable channels that show cartoons 24x7 (including Saturday morning and classic toons). Nik, CN, and Disney all have new shows that air on Saturdays.

    On top of that, Disney owns ABC, and has a couple of their own cartoon channels. Why would they compete with themselves?

    Yes, this is a problem for those that don't have cable, but between dedicated cable and internet programming, this is more of a sign that the traditional on-air networks are becoming more marginalized that they cannot

    • Though I should not be so surprised or outraged that a gizmodo article shows no research, critical thinking, or effort.

  • by Virtucon ( 127420 ) on Sunday October 05, 2014 @12:46AM (#48066645)

    When I was growing up cartoons meant something. Like Daffy Duck getting his head blown off or the Rabbit outwitting the dumb hunter. Saturdays were filled with the Coyote and the limitless bounty afforded him by ACME for any device necessary to attempt at catching the Roadrunner. I always wondered who delivered out in the middle of the desert and why he got it so fast? Shit now most of what I've seen from the 70s and up were warmed over commercials that were more about marketing to kids than really having fun. Sure there were the "educational" shows that came along but those were few and far between; the rest being tripe not worth even the electricity used to watch them, much less the brain drain.

    When I saw Daffy's head getting blown off "censored" now it made me sad really because you can't blow up a cartoon duck anymore? Where has my country gone. So goodbye Saturday Morning cartoons full of marketing shit and hello Hentai Anime.

  • All 3 commercial networks as well as the ABC (government owned station) air cartoons on various of their channels on Saturday Morning (and at other times of the day/week for that matter)

    Heck, its 5:30pm here and one network is airing an episode of Scooby Doo...

  • Kids would rather experience interactive entertainment. Even from amazingly young ages they are saying "No" to do you want to watch this, and picking up the tablet (or whatever) and playing games instead. About fucking time. I expect to be old and gray before the curve catches up.

  • Saturday morning cartoons weren't killed by the internet, they were killed by the DVR. My kids only recenlty became aquainted with the concept of "you have to wait for them to show the next episode". Saturday mornings at our house are devoted to binge watching a week's worth of Pokemon, Gravity Falls, and Phineas & Pherb.
  • It has very little to do with the Internet. Saturday morning cartoons were killed by entire cable TV networks devoted to cartoons all day, every day. Saturday morning lost its special status as the one time of the week you could binge on cartoons.
  • When "Dancing with Stars" pulls 12.8M in the number 10 spot and a 8.3 rating, there are still a lot of people watching broadcast TV. The highest ranked prime time cable show that was non-football pulled 4.1M with a 2.5 rating. Netflix has about 45M subscribers. Their most popular showing, House of Cards was estimated to garner about 15% viewership (by one ISP on day), so thats in the 6M ish range.

    So while internet based viewing may have put a dent into broadcast (and cable), they are still the heavy w

  • Winston tastes good like a cigarette should.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

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