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Better Learning Through Expensive Software? One Principal Thinks Not 169

theodp writes "Instead of improving the instructional practices of teachers," laments Chicago public school Principal Michael Beyer, "we are throwing vast sums of money and time at software and digital solutions that are largely untested, unproven and highly questionable." Ed-Tech vendors' so-called "weapons of mass instruction," argues Beyer, may show "gains" on the high-stakes tests because they mimic the targeted test format, but the learning gains don't necessarily transfer to the real world, or last much longer than the end of the school year. But technology in the classroom is not going away, as one commenter notes. So, what to do? Well, since U.S. CTO Megan Smith is looking for bigger technological fish to fry than weaning the White House off floppy disks, why not give her a crack at Ed-Tech, including a healthy budget and some Lab Schools where she could have educators and technologists brainstorm-and-prototype to separate the Ed-Tech wheat from the chaff without undue vendor influence and short-term test score pressure?
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  • by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) * on Monday January 05, 2015 @12:04AM (#48734231)

    Ed-Tech vendors' so-called "weapons of mass instruction," argues Beyer, may show "gains" on the high-stakes tests because they mimic the targeted test format, but the learning gains don't necessarily transfer to the real world, or last much longer than the end of the school year.

    This has long been a problem with "standardized tests", schools teach only to the test because their jobs and budgets depend on high numbers. Thinking and teaching outside the test? Not allowed, hell, we already don't teach proper handwriting anymore.

    We should absolutely be teaching technology in schools, starting with real actual math and reading comprehension, moving on to both software and hardware and other types of technology - I'm not a teacher, who knows... But like the house with an operating system, I think many of these new computer teaching tools are simply companies looking for ways to squeeze money out of people for things they don't really need, and if the government is paying for it, you know they paid a whole lot for it. Are we just fattening some venture capitalist's pocket with this stuff?

    I'm on the fence about the textbooks themselves being on tablets, maybe that makes sense. But if we are going to hand off teaching to computers, why pay for anything more than a human babysitter - or is that what we are doing already?

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      > hell, we already don't teach proper handwriting anymore.

      What's next, not teaching to read an analog clock? Actually I suspect that has already happened. My early 20 something sisters don't know how to read an analog clock.

      Personally I hate the idea of turning textbooks into tablet apps or ebooks. Think of the DRM. University and college kids might want to keep the book forever (such as a good math book or a book on timeless algorithms). How long will the textbook "app" be usable? Will it expire?

      • by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) * on Monday January 05, 2015 @12:38AM (#48734353)

        University and college kids might want to keep the book forever (such as a good math book or a book on timeless algorithms).

        You bet I want to keep a book I pay $200 for. Many of my basic references are fro college. This is not such a big deal for grade school and high school.

        And for me, I find that I can find and absorb material faster and better with printed references. Indeed, when I buy an technical ebook, I immediately print it out and put it in a ring binder (thanks, boss for the copier) ...

      • My early 20 something sisters don't know how to read an analog clock.

        Im not clear how exactly thats something the schools need to teach. Did they teach your siblings how to brush their teeth too?

        • by Anonymous Coward

          I remember they used to teach kinder or first grade on how to read an analog clock when I was I school, and I'm 33.

      • by climb_no_fear ( 572210 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @07:35AM (#48735387)
        An analog clock?

        You insensitive clod, in my time, we read sundials
      • How long will the textbook "app" be usable?

        Probably much longer than an actual textbook, as the "app" would get regular updates and be changed when the course or laws or whatever else making hard cover textbooks obsolete are changed.

        The problem with most people in Education is that they see technology as what it is, a replacement for bad teachers, teachers whose livelihoods are being threatened. I read a quote somewhere, which said "If a teacher can be replaced by a computer, they should be".

        Think about it this way, a person, who can read, can start

    • by atherophage ( 2481624 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @12:45AM (#48734383)
      As a school district tech I see school computers largely used as either babysitters or required devices for state administered standardized testing. Beyond that one problem is many teachers just-don't-get-it. Something as routine as forcing high school students to change their passwords brings our district help desk to a grinding halt. Educators complain about having multiple passwords for their domain login and the web-based grading application. The students pick-up on this attitude. Among the largest requests the help desk receives are setting the default printer and creating a shortcut on the desktop for various websites. No fancy software bundle can fix this.
    • by AK Marc ( 707885 )

      But if we are going to hand off teaching to computers, why pay for anything more than a human babysitter - or is that what we are doing already?

      In most places that's what they are. The children are banned by law from doing anything else, and the schools are banned by law from letting (or forcing) them to do anything else.

      But on the computers, the best thing about them is that they let children go much more self-paced. Except, I usually find they block the 3rd graders from doing 4th grade work, even if their ability and time allows. As someone who never fit in the school time schedule, I would have loved something that let me progress as fast or

      • When a student can't figure out something, it's often because the initial instructions were wrong for the learning style of the student.

        I'd suggest that the problem isn't "wrong for the learning style of the student", but rather "incomplete" or "wrong for the level of the student.

        The journal Psychological Science in the Public Interest did a literature review a few years back (Learning Styles: Concepts and Evidence) that identified all the methodologically sound studies into teaching to learning styles and found that they showed no evidence for anyone knowing how to teach to learning styles.

        What they looked for were "crossover conditions" -

        • by west ( 39918 )

          If we are going to be reduced to resorting to "facts" and "reason", we might as well throw the entire educational research establishment away completely.

        • by AK Marc ( 707885 )

          The journal Psychological Science in the Public Interest did a literature review a few years back (Learning Styles: Concepts and Evidence) that identified all the methodologically sound studies into teaching to learning styles and found that they showed no evidence for anyone knowing how to teach to learning styles.

          So because nobody currently teaches to different learning styles, learning styles must not matter at all?

          As a professional tutor, I have tutored people in subjects I didn't know. Seriously. Not like Cameron in "10 Things I Hate about You" where he tutored someone in French by learning the day's lesson ahead of time. I'd sit there and ask them to teach me how to do it. In explaining it to someone else, they learned more than by reading the book and copying the examples. Sure, as a good tutor, I'd ask t

      • "But on the computers, the best thing about them is that they let children go much more self-paced. Except, I usually find they block the 3rd graders from doing 4th grade work, even if their ability and time allows. As someone who never fit in the school time schedule, I would have loved something that let me progress as fast or slow as I wanted."

        Decades ago, in public school, probably in third grade or so, I had a substitute teacher literally snatch a Boxcar Children series book out of my hands (which I ha

        • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          Sounds like my experiences. When I was in the 2nd grade (at John J. Pershing Elementary, DISD), I was told to draw a man with two orange heads for a display for the parents to see on a conference day. I drew a man who held an orange head in each hand. Everyone else drew a man with two jack o' lanterns instead of a normal head. So I was sent to the principal's office and beat for insubordination. I was locked in a closet over lunch. The irony is that my mother lied about our address to get me in. She he
          • Wow, what a schooling story. Hope you can move past the scars eventually (Kung Fu Panda II has some interesting comments at the end about scars). With "zero tolerance" policies these days, I can expect similar things happen even more often now (but with less physical stuff).

            You're right about the cost of home schooling; it has been a huge opportunity cost for our family. One part of the choice is also whether our kid gets attention when young vs. a college fund etc. when older. Also, there are a lot of sing

            • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
              Our kids are going to free university. Though at this rate, they'll be applying to universities in Norway, or wherever you can get free university (in English), including foreign students. But, so long as they don't screw it up, they'll be left with a good basic income. Investments are paying out $4k a month at this point, and on track to pay out $10k per month by my retirement, with retirement accounts fully-funding my retirement so I don't have to touch the long-term investments. And that's not counti
    • I volunteer at schools and have 4 close relatives that are teachers. NONE of the schools have competent administration of the computers, the networks or the OS installations. It's all "well, these are the rules and we can't do anything about it" crap. My son's computer class (MDUHSD) has NO monitors that aren't VGA. He brought a RaspPi in to it and we had to mod the config.txt file and bring an adapter in to it so they could display the video on the archaic stuff. However, they have a LASER cutter with
      • Computer monitors are a pretty standard tech, and if it ain't broke, don't waste your money replacing it. Computer manufacturers know this, but they still try to sell us a new monitor with every new desktop PC by offering us "crazee barginz!!!" on LCDs that aren't actually any better than the last CRT monitor I owned (I've been on laptops for a few update cycles, so I don't bother with external monitors any more -- and I have never once bought an LCD monitor).
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Charlotte Iserbyt was the former Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education during the Raegan years. When she took the job she read through much of the material left behind by her predecessor and discovered a deliberate plan to dumb down education. She photocopied everything and published it in a book (ISBN 0966707117). Using computers to replace teachers was something she sounded alarm bells about, saying that it is part of the plan

  • by wisnoskij ( 1206448 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @12:25AM (#48734311) Homepage
    theodp writes: Education is wasting too much money on tech, that shows no or worse results. Solution, more money for tech in education and more unproven expensive tech in classrooms.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      theodp writes: Education is wasting too much money on tech, that shows no or worse results.

      The dirty little secret is that we're wasting too much money trying to educate kids that don't give a damn about education and would rather be doing something other than learning.

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        • by Anonymous Coward

          How about teaching educators how to teach. A lot of those "kids that don't give a damn about education and would rather be doing something other than learning" are that way because the adults in their lives ill-equipped to do the hard work of teaching.

          • They are that way because of the system, not the teachers. Those kids that do not give a damn, as often as not, are the intelligent ones simply cannot go at the same pace as the rest of the class and still give a damn.
            Most of the rest of Those kids that do not give a damn are boys continually alienated by a school system designed for girls and women teachers.
        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          And it does make results _worse_, as these kids are actively prevented by finding out what they do care for by being instead forced into something they decidedly do not. The primary and critical ingredient for all learning is that the one learning actually wants to. Coercion is not a major motivator when it comes to wanting anything.

          • Q: What is fun?
            A: The reaction to the experience of mental stimulation.

            Most mental stimulation is linked to learning. Even when a kid goes bombing down a hill on a BMX, they're learning. They're pushing the boundaries of their balance and performance, and trying to be that little bit more efficient than the time before. Once you get over the hurdle of initial engagement, you can fascinate a child with any genuine learning.

            Jerome Bruner and his colleagues once set about teaching quadratic equations to 8-yea

        • by rwa2 ( 4391 ) *

          The dirty little secret is that we're wasting too much money trying to educate kids that don't give a damn about education and would rather be doing something other than learning.'

          Yes, bring back tracking. Your parents don't care, you don't care, you want to be doing something else? Fine, you are done at Grade 6, you can come back to adult ed and the remaining 6 years of education when you want it.

          It is highly controversial, but the system worked well. The concept of "no child left behind" is a monstrous lie. All children cannot attain to the same levels. It is cruel to try to force children who do not posses the correct attributes to meet a standard that is designed above their level. It is as mean as asking a 5'1" basket player to dunk against Yao Ming.

          Yeah, if you actually read the law in the NCLB and whatever its successor is, you can see it's pretty much a money grab. The publishers put in this poison pill, where schools and teachers have to show AYP ("adequately yearly progress") every year, or else they're required to throw all of this money at technology programs from the publishers. If the kids going through the pipeline manage to do worse on the test two years on a row, schools are required to buy stuff, or they lose their federal funding (which

        • All children can attain the same level. They all have the same mental facilities. It's a matter of interest.

          I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. Do you see that big, buff, muscly jock who can bench press 450lb? Do you know why he's big and buff? Hint: He wasn't born that way. It's a matter of training and effort. You know what makes geniuses geniuses? Training and effort. In both cases, it's technique: you'll get stronger with much less effort by using a particular training

    • I saw one of the ads saying that they were looking for college educated professionals who would like to transition into teaching. I was gathering information on it and found out that there was no formal technology curriculum in our local school system. I was told that I was "highly qualified" to teach math but that there was no opportunities to teach technology or computer classes.

    • Wrong kind of tech.

      People want digital circuitry to solve all things. Kids must be educated by computers? No, why? Because it's new, and technical, and thus better? Appeal to novelty.

      There's entire schools of thought on how to educate kids. We have Waldorf education systems, which model a child's natural development and indicate that children shouldn't be given technology until age 6-7 (first grade), or even taught to read (I dissent on this), because they should be socializing; and then elementary

  • by javaman235 ( 461502 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @12:32AM (#48734339)

    Learning computer programs to solve math problems (for instance) can be empowering for the kids, unless they end up dependent on those proprietary programs. I think the best solution for that threat, along with some of the other issues raised in the OP is a tool set which gets kids developing software, even at really simple levels, early in their educational careers. That may sound crazy, but the world is changing, and many of the educational ideas we take for granted today sounded crazy in their times as well.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I never understood /.'s obsession that everyone learn to program.

      Schools should band together and made opensource software and textbooks and get away from the proprietary shit that so often builds in bullshit just cause it's proprietary. If every school district, of the 13,558 there are in America, would just band together and pitch in $1,000 to start it up -- the results could have been amazing.

      Duolingo is a great example of what gamification can do for learning.

      I think the last years was an obsession wit

      • Duolingo is a great example of what gamification can do for learning.

        Yes, it's a great example of how gamification trivialises learning.

        Your goal is not to learn, but to get gold in your topics (which is possible while still having "weak words" identified and to "level up". Before the last update, every question was worth the same number of "XP" -- 1, so you could "grind" on easy questions to get your score up (useless). They messed up the levels, by having an exponential-ish curve so that higher levels are harder to obtain (like in traditional RPGs) but they forgot that in

        • I just went back to the easiest level, and I'm still having difficulty getting the articles right (as the software has taken no active steps to "teach" them, instead just hoping that one day they'll click... but the German articles are horrendously complex, and conscious direction really is needed). So I kept quitting and retrying until I got a lucky run of all correct answers so I could see what the minimum number of questions was. Seventeen consecutive correct answers were required, and for that I got 10X
  • Chicago schools (Score:5, Insightful)

    by the_Bionic_lemming ( 446569 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @12:34AM (#48734343)

    After being a teacher in Joliet , Illinois system and seeing what passes for teaching and parental involvement in the Chicago land area I can quite firmly state that it isn't the money taxpayers spend, the technology that is invested in the area, nor the opportunities that students have that is the real issue.

    The real issue is that there needs to be a clean out of lazy teachers and administration that refuses to interact with parents- a gallon of bleach dumped into the leach pool.

    These children need people to intervene and make sure to involve the parents in all aspects of their education. Instead, we have more people involved on getting paid and protecting their pension.

    It's quite sad.

    • The real issue is that there needs to be a clean out of lazy teachers and administration that refuses to interact with parents

      Do you have any basis for that assertion, other than your resume?

      • Do you have any basis for that assertion, other than your resume?

        Yes i do.

        Was there a point to your post?

        • Yes i do.

          Then why are you keeping it a secret?

          • How am I keeping it a secret?

            • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

              by Anonymous Coward

              The Wikidrones have invaded Slashdot and demand that every post be backed by "sources" (ex. wikipedia). Of course, except for real scientific studies, no source especially on the internet is worth more than anybody's opinion. So in the end, this is done only to cast doubt on reasonable or interesting posts.

            • Since I'm not a teacher, I'd actually be interested if you have an actual story to tell. But AFAICT from your post, you're just someone who loathes his ex-coworkers and is making generalizations about them. If the "real issue" is "lazy teachers", you can at least explain why. Were they not showing up for work? Were they disregarding parental fears of vaccinations? Were they not teaching them about Christ or something? Did the kids get low test scores? What?
            • Re:Chicago schools (Score:5, Interesting)

              by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @02:31AM (#48734665)
              You are stating step 3, without steps 1-2 or 4+.

              Looks like a secret. What I've found is that 90% of parents complain that they can't get involved. Then get the notice for the PTA meeting, and refuse to come. Then show up at a school board meeting to complain about the school. The parents don't want to be involved. Every effort to involve them is a waste of time. I've seen it happen as a student and a parent. Have you actually tried engaging parents? Or just complained that the parents weren't trying to get involved, and blamed the school?
      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Don't forget that the Peter Principle was discovered in education and only generalized after its validity there was firmly established.

    • This, exactly this, and not just in the US, in pretty much every westernised education system.

      Add to that of course addressing the HUGE gender imbalance in teaching (where is the effort to get more male teachers? yeah right,
      they are being actively removed...)

      Schools have become comfortable little fiefdoms with a dirty mixture of self interest, paranoia, and financial incest. The system needs to be stripped open
      and scrubbed clean.

      Once upon a time we had a media who would do the hard yards to achieve such thi

    • Re:Chicago schools (Score:4, Insightful)

      by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @04:12AM (#48734879) Journal

      The real issue is that there needs to be a clean out of lazy teachers and administration that refuses to interact with parents- a gallon of bleach dumped into the leach pool.

      Nope, what needs to be done is to nuke the entire syllabus and system from orbit, pretty much. Even with the best will in the world, it's hard to extract anything of worth from the way most subjects are taught. You get this insane system runing round itself in circles (endless tests) to teach worthless subjects (the way e.g. maths is taught seems to be to remove any insight, ffun and worth from it and replace it with midless drudgery, and English, oh gosh whre to even begin). the result is you get both students and teachers who after a few years find it terribly hard to give a crap.

      Only the teachers have to put up with it far longer than students.

      With no other changes, the next lot of teachers you get to replace the current ones will soon end up apathetic and lazy because that's an almost inevitable result of the system.

    • Re:Chicago schools (Score:5, Insightful)

      by FlyingGuy ( 989135 ) <flyingguy&gmail,com> on Monday January 05, 2015 @04:12AM (#48734881)

      Ok, so here I am with serious mod points and should be modding but I have to take umbrage with your remarks

      First of all there have to be parents that are able to interact and for that to happen you need to have at least one parent who is not exhausted after commuting, working long hours and being forced to answer e-mails from PHB's on the weekends and all other times of the day and night and having to drag work home with them to keep up with ludicrous demands.

      • We have to get over this "every child must go to college" sickness and realize we actually need skilled trades a recognize the immense value.
      • We have to start teaching how to approach and solve problems mathematically, instead of teaching times tables. We have to teach SI for gods sake!
      • We have to desperately figure out a way to teach algebra that is not completely mind numbing.
      • We have to put industrial arts backing into high schools! When I was in high school I learned to weld, to use a metal lathe and a milling machine, how to cast aluminum and bronze. I could also take serious wood shop ( we built furniture for fucks sake! ) or serious automotive classes.
      • We simply MUST get on the metric system, I mean really, we are still doing shit in 12ths, really!?!
      • We simply MUST start teaching computer programming as an ART because is IS an art.

      Video games are NOT the answer, never have been never will be. We have to stop coddling children and actually educate them. My son is 13 and still I have to keep on him to get his homework done, and that is my job and I have to do it why? Because he IS 13 and just wants to play soccer and hang out with his buddies.

      Yes there are some lazy teachers, but the vast majority of them really want to do good AND have parental involvement. Teachers know how to teach if you will let them and stop dumbing everything down, we have to raise our standards, not lower them.

      Another thing... I don't give a FUCK what color your skin is, or whatever "troubles" you have. Take a swing at another student and that student didn't swing first, your fucking outa there! Caught with drugs or booze in school, you are fucking outa there. Take a swing at a teacher, your fucking outa there! Be a teacher and fuck a student, you go to prison, Throw a fist at a student who threw a fist and another student, or grabbed my daughters ass, you get a fucking medal!

      Parents, you let your kid show up with his pants hanging below his ass? You get called, you either pick them up or the cops come pick you up, the school is NOT your fucking baby sitter!! You let your daughter go to school in Yoga pants leaving no doubt just how deep her camel toe goes or just exactly how deep her cleavage goes? You get called, you either pick them up or the cops come pick you up, the school is NOT your fucking baby sitter!!

      School is a learning environment not a dating service or fight club

      • This post is an example of why the education system is all messed up. You have your own agendas, and wish to force them on everyone (the problem with the education system is they don't teach metric? Really?)

        You're not the only one. A lot of people have 'just a few' things they want the schools to do. In the end it becomes a hodgepodge of incoherence.
    • by nbauman ( 624611 )

      People are asking you for your supporting evidence. (like this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... [huffingtonpost.com])

      You're not giving supporting evidence. In fact, you don't seem to understand what supporting evidence is. It makes me wonder what you were teaching. You're not making a convincing argument.

      One thing I have learned is that when you get both sides of the story, usually turns out to be different than it looked when you only got one side.

      I wonder if there's something more to this story than "lazy teachers" and lazy

  • Two things about software-based instruction: it can improve over time and it can be widely distributed. Human-based instruction is limited in both those areas. Someday the software-based instruction will be really good. Human teachers can get better for a while, but they eventually retire -- losing all their instructional capability.

  • "we are throwing vast sums of money and time at software and digital solutions that are largely untested, unproven and highly questionable"

    Wait a second, you were just advocating "Improving the instructional practices of teachers" but how does the description not fit both things equally?

    What instructional practices are truly "proven"? How can they be when the effectiveness varies based on students, culture and teacher (some teachers just cannot click with some stundents).

    At least the unproved digital tools

    • What instructional practices are truly "proven"?

      Rote learning is proven. It works quite well at instilling the basics for all but the dumbest of kids (the smart kids find it torture because they have the material down early in the process, but they do learn). Even poor teachers can use it, it's not hard or complicated.

      There's been lots of effort to find something better, because few like teaching or learning that way, and it's not so good at anything beyond the basics, but the better methods often only wo

  • by Kuroji ( 990107 ) <kuroji@gmail.com> on Monday January 05, 2015 @12:43AM (#48734375)

    Because we already have a secretary of education and that should be HIS damned job.

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @12:58AM (#48734423)
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    • Re: How about no (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      You are certainly on the right track here, but the question of prestige is either chicken and egg or the tail wagging the dog depending on who you ask. My wife is often asked why she got a degree in education when she is apparently so intelligent. (Thanks!) She didn't. She got a BS in microbiology and molecular genetics before rejecting(!) grad school and med school. She then earned an MS in Biology (not Bio education or MST, etc.. A research oriented degree.) She lives in a rare state where she is paid a n

    • Nice try (Score:5, Interesting)

      by bussdriver ( 620565 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @03:24AM (#48734769)

      I know about education; I'm in the field too.

      The real problem in modern education in the USA is that the Republicans entered into the issue. I'm not saying their ideas are all horrible; but that the political fight was so much smaller so the teachers and schools were not in the middle of a political culture war. You see, what really started the mess was that public polling showed voters ranked education higher in priority than in the past and that turned it into a two party political football. The rest is a bunch of policies and ideas which have zero basis in reality and everything to do about sounding good, getting votes, and political BRANDING. SO BOTH PARTIES WORK TO DESTROY IT like everything else they touch these days. That has harmed the system greatly which only reflects the broken political system, just another thing that precedes the collapse of a once great democracy.

      Furthermore, education is not a business. You can't turn education into an easy statistic like sales and students are NOT customers!! They are not supposed to be happy customers with a "your #1" sticker handed out to everybody and every parent is immune from criticism. The culture is all fucked up; used to be the student was to blame, now the special snowflakes are perfect and the teacher is always the problem.

      Yes, technology needs to be PROVEN before it's allowed to be used. SCIENCE should decide everything. That means parents (voters) will be pleased. automated tests have yet to be intelligent. I can interview a student and assess them quicker and more accurately than any static test plus they can't ever fool me. But in the land of lawsuits somebody will be upset they didn't get their "your #1" sticker... while the multiple choice exam allows many times more to sneak bye or undeservedly fail.

      SCIENCE:
      We can't even adjust school hours to fit best with sleeping patterns of the children when that stuff has been known forever.

      Science says that middle school kids shouldn't even be educated conventionally. They need emotional development training and stuff so out of the norm many people would revolt. Most education problems are psychologically based and their parents and environment are HUGE factors. If you apply developmental psychology instead of acting like it doesn't exist, you would turn poor performing students, future criminals, and fragile suicide kids into good students and functional adults. Naturally, parents would be upset because they'd have responsibilities, something which they avoid like everything today.

      Parents want free daycare. Some need it too. Snow days not only cause parents to call in irate, but it also means some children DO NOT EAT.

      There is so much wrong which has so much more impact-- but we only can discuss a FEW issues and wave some shiny new toy in the public's eye... like they were children.

    • by phayes ( 202222 )

      ...we can do what other successful countries have done, which is to:

      d. Focus on reforming the teaching profession, from the ground up, so that teachers are the best educated, most well respected, most prominent members of the community.

      Where exactly is this magical land where teachers are "the best educated, most well respected, most prominent members of the community"? I've been to a lot of countries talked with a lot of teachers & professors but none fit the glass slipper you evoke.

  • H. Beam Piper wrote about this in 1952, in his book Null ABC. The author detailed how literacy in schools continued to decline, as more and more educational gadgets became available, until society was divided between "literates" and "illiterates." The illiterates controlled the vast majority of business, but literacy was still required to practice law, and serve in the judicial branch of government.

    Check out a physical version of the book here [amazon.com], an audio link here [amazon.com], a free eBook version here [gutenberg.org] and a free audio

  • I was reading a 6th grade curriculum for a private school. In order to show off, the book had a section on the 12 Chinese century proof of Pythagoras's theorem based on equivalent areas.
    What nonsense to teach this to a 6th grader. First, a 6th grader has no concepts of primitive geometry, even having a difficult time understanding like dimensions and postulates. .
    The time wasted on this topic should have been devoted to learning fundamentals of mathematics which are the foundations for understanding geo
    • I disagree, but only in part.

      I don't think you need a complete understanding of axioms and postulates to get somewhere: after all those ideas contiued to develop long after the Ancient Greek civilisation collapsed.

      If a 6th grader is 12, I think they'd be prefectly capable of understanding and more importantly with guidance deriving the proof which more or less involves rearranging triangles inside a square.

      Of course, replacing it all with vast amounts of contextless rote memorization is awful. Frankly, it's

  • But technology in the classroom is not going away, as one commenter notes.

    Yeah, well, that commenter is a VP at an edtech company, so *of course* she would promote that line.

  • by LongearedBat ( 1665481 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @02:49AM (#48734697)

    This is just from today:

    Better Learning Through Expensive Software? One Principal Thinks Not
    Professor: Young People Are "Lost Generation" Who Can No Longer Fix Gadgets
    Writer: How My Mom Got Hacked
    US CTO Tries To Wean the White House Off Floppy Disks

    Perhaps some of those are interesting topics and it's just me who is picky. But really, topics such as these are why I came to /. :

    Experiments Create Particles Out of a Vacuum Using Neutrinos
    The Missing Piece of the Smart Home Revolution: The Operating System

  • A political appointee with a large budget to determine which products should be purchased and there will be no "undue vendor influence." Let me know how that works when you return from Shangri-La.
  • My high school math teacher should have been at a college or university. Jack Munson had chalk dust flying as he filled the boards with formulas and equations, QED. Students HAD to keep up with him or be lost forever. My brother has a doctorate degree in math from UC Berkeley and I lived in his shadow. "Why aren't you like Pete?" I found a different career and did OK. Tough work conditions but the $money was good. Really good, back when a dollar was worth five dollars. I went to the High Sierras for two we
  • School boards spend hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars on 'Smart Boards'. Why? Someone told me it was so they can make learning more fun, make a game of it. WTF? I can't stop thinking that these things are freakin waste of money. Money that could be spent more usefully like in paying teachers better in the U.S. (they're overpaid in Canada). Or on better facilities. Or school lunches for underprivileged kids. etc. etc. etc.
  • by EmperorOfCanada ( 1332175 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @06:28AM (#48735265)
    The very highest priced software is able to offer their sales people the largest commissions and the largest marketing budgets. Thus they can do all kinds of scumbag things such as hire top educators for "consulting" contracts and whatnot. These same educators are then the ones who decide which software is "best" for their school system. Also with a sizeable commission the rewards for selling a fair sized school system on some pile of crap software system are massive. Almost set-for-life massive.

    Thus opensource or extremely economical systems simply can't compete. There are no scumbag salesmen using bribery and other underhanded techniques to market these solutions and as we all experienced while in schools there is no real science or evidence used when they claim to be using evidence based teaching. Any time they use studies or evidence to choose one system over another it will be evidence supplied by a large vendor.

    For instance, nearly every time I hear of a new solution being implemented in my children's schools somehow one of the top decision makers has a stake in the company. Either they (or a spouse) worked for the company, work for the company, or will end up working for the company. And somehow the government "ethics" watchdogs will approve this because the person filled out the correct forms.

    If I were the head person for a large school system I would immediately eliminate all contact with salespeople from all vendors. Then I would have internal committees evaluate the various offerings (including open source and low cost vendors) equally. I would also publish all the findings so that other education systems could exploit the results. But most importantly I would tell the people who were evaluating the various systems that if they have any contact with a vendor that we would immediately eliminate that vendor from consideration. And if the contact somehow were to the benefit of the examiner that their job would be in jeopardy.
  • Be a Good Parent (Score:4, Insightful)

    by some old guy ( 674482 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @06:52AM (#48735319)

    TFA is a dot on the trend line of parental and educational laziness, IMHO. Parents slough off responsibility for their kids' educations to schools of questionable quality. The schools in turn palm of their work to computers. It's sad, and the only effective remedy is parental re-involvement.

    I knew the schools sucked when my son was reading 3 grade levels above his peers at age 6. Now he's a sophomore in High School, and further along (knowlege-wise) toward his BSEE than most e-school juniors because I take the time to not just nurture and encourage but actually teach him at whatever level he is ready for. He's 15, and has built his own Siemens S7 PLC lab project. His science classmates won't get Ohm's Law till next year. Pity them.

    We can blab all day about how to fix teh skoolz, but when it comes to your own kids, give them your best. As a parent, you owe it to them. The schools aren't going to do it for you.

    • If every parent was as responsible as you are at teaching kids how to love learning, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

      Speaking parent-to-parent, yes, we parents need to give our kids the best. But speaking as a teacher and a tech director for a public school, parents are not giving kids their best. That's the problem.

      In one classroom you can every range of student imaginable, from the one that built their own Siemens S7 PLC lab project to the one who slept in a car in freezing temperatures the night

  • by Jim Sadler ( 3430529 ) on Monday January 05, 2015 @07:55AM (#48735447)
    Corruption is the cause of being able to "teach to the test". Properly done teachers would have no warning about the nature of a test at all. By giving several, short tests a year, the tests could each be specialized such as a narrow focus on geography one month and a focus on plane geometry the next month, the history of a major nation on yet another test and so on and so on . The scores would tell a lot about the general knowledge of a student and the parents could be able to judge the quality of their kids' schools. Reading and retention skills or reading and interpretation skills can be addressed. When a school tests poorly then the next step is to find out why. Usually kids that test poorly come from low income homes. Sadly there is very little a conventional school can do to overcome the the effects of poverty on children. Solutions could be to take kids out of the homes or to provide higher incomes to the poor. Neither of those solutions is likely to occur in the US due to our rather perverse social customs.
  • Computers should not be in schools outside of a computer lab.
    At most, maybe a teacher could have a digital overhead projector. But these ridiculous chalk boards? iPads for every student? Come one.
    The only real "tech" a school should invest in is covering the walls of each room with metal screen to turn it into a Faraday cage so the kids can't text one another.

    And no, I'm not a Neo-Luddite. I just think that, in the classroom, computers do far more harm than good.

  • Ed-Tech vendors' so-called "weapons of mass instruction," argues Beyer, may show "gains" on the high-stakes tests because they mimic the targeted test format, but the learning gains don't necessarily transfer to the real world, or last much longer than the end of the school year.

    Schools aren't funded on any of that crap.

    Modern 'education' has become all about making the kids pass a standardized test and adhering to whatever crap the politicians are on about. They don't care about educating children, just

  • Most other countries do a much better job educating their students when it comes to facts. Foreigners remember more dates, names, theories, etc.

    But US universities have a much better reputation, in large part because the entire US educational system was originally designed to teach methodology - how to learn, rather than what to learn. The concept was basically teach a man to fish, rather than give him a fish.

    This works REALLY well with highly intelligent people, as they need those tools and are usually

  • What the principal says can translate to practically the whole public school curriculum:

    "learning gains don't necessarily transfer to the real world, or last much longer than the end of the school year"

    Very little in public education in the US has actually been proven, vetted, or has any evidence of efficacy. In fact, the PS system as a whole has been condemned many times for poor performance, bad practices, lack of accountability, and is essentially a money pit designed to enrich union teachers.

    Kids get "e

    • "Kids get "educated" despite the public schools, not because of them."

      Because that statement has been been proven, vetted, or has any evidence to support it.

      No not all public schools perform poorly; in rich, suburban areas they do very well.
  • Im suspecting it's the same problem that have existed on every other rapid growing market since the dawn of economy.

    A trend gives rise to some new product group which drives an influx of charlatans with a marketing product and barely enough of a product to avoid fraud prosecution, along with a group of blue eyed "fresh out of college" startup types who haven't any real clue about the problem they are trying to solve, flooding an market of mostly unsophisticated buyers who need to buy but don't know what

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