Video Building Hospitable Open Source Communities (Video) 117
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This is an 11 minute excerpt from an hour-long video, contributed by long-time Slashdot user Erik Möller. This video is the moving picture equivalent of the typical Slashdot summary of a text article, complete with a link to the main article, which in this case is a video (over an hour long) at PassionateVoices.org. Erik's interviewee, Sumana Harihareswara, is also a long-time Slashdot reader who claims (admits?) that she met her husband through a Slashdot link, albeit indirectly. She's spent most of the past decade working with open source, much of it as a community leader. If you are in a leadership role in an open source community or plan to lead one someday, you may want to listen to the complete interview. Sumana has many useful things to say about how open source communities should -- and shouldn't -- be run.
Thanks, but life is too short. (Score:3, Interesting)
I'll wait for the condensed Reader's Digest version
Re:Thanks, but life is too short. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll wait for the condensed Reader's Digest version
"blah, blah, blah ... i am a girl so i will talk about myself ... blah, blah, blah ... i am a girl that can say stupid girly stuff about "empowering diverse people" ... blah, blah, blah ... i am a girl and because i don't have a penis i hate boys ... blah, blah, blah ... i am a girl so don't you dare to hurt my feelings ... blah, blah, blah"
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Seriously, get help.
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Seriously, get help.
Seriously, is something wrong with my transcript? I thought that i was providing a good service to fellow Slashdoters... and i think i did it as accurately as the best professional transcriber would have done it! Can you provide something better?
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To provide something "better" is to risk a brain aneurism :-)
Well, it's been a couple of hours now and he did not replied yet... i hope he is o.k.!
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I'm a geek-suit interface, a programmer, and a teacher. I like to work on open source products, services, or sites that delight and help people. I'll be seeking opportunities starting in June 2015.
"geek-suit interface"? Sounds like a Mozilla Foundation escapee. $DIETY save us from polisci graduates.
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Thanks for the summary. I watched only a bit of it, and what I did see was just the usual garbage. A bit of digging shows that this is a "job wanted ad". Click on her name and you see this on LinkdIn:
I'm a geek-suit interface, a programmer, and a teacher. I like to work on open source products, services, or sites that delight and help people. I'll be seeking opportunities starting in June 2015.
"geek-suit interface"? Sounds like a Mozilla Foundation escapee. $DIETY save us from polisci graduates.
Thanks for the good investigation work... i am just a professional transcriber! I really tried to take her seriously, but after 11 minutes of garbage (yes, i did watched it!) i wanted to save fellow Slashdoters some of their time...
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I'm reporting you to the authorities for threatening murder. Have fun in jail!!!!!!!!!!
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You know, extrapolating from almost nothing into a mountain the size of Olympus Mons is not good when anyone does it to make someone look like something they aren't even sure if.. that is what they even are.
You sound like someone who tries too hard to look like you support justice and equality.
Reminds me of bad dubs of anime, you're just as bad as that.
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Olympus Mons, to be exact. A mountain on Mars, taller than Mt. Everest, I think.
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Olympus Mons, to be exact. A mountain on Mars, taller than Mt. Everest, I think.
More than 3 times the height of Everest - Zeus wants a good view when visiting Mars!
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How ironic that you are complaining about people complaining about hurt feelings, when clearly your own feelings are pretty badly bruised just because this video was posted.
So why do you hate women so much? What is it about people saying "girly" things that offends you so much? You could listen and make a reasoned counter-argument for more segregation and less civility, but instead you posted a little rant about girly girls and the stupid girly things they say. Why do you feel that way?
I liked an answer you already got from someone other than me (all credit must go to user "SirLordGodfrey"): "You know, extrapolating from almost nothing into a mountain the size of Olympus Mons is not good when anyone does it to make someone look like something they aren't even sure if.. that is what they even are. You sound like someone who tries too hard to look like you support justice and equality." - relax dude... i even watched the video before originally posting!
Slashdot videos suck! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Slashdot videos suck! (Score:4)
Videos/podcasts and similar formats are definitely not for every setting, but they do allow you to get to know a person a bit better than a simple transcript does. In a video, you can see a person's facial expressions, you can hear emphasis, and you may be able to make more of an emotional connection. For a podcast, you can listen in the background, during your commute, etc. Each format has its advantages/disadvantages.
I agree a transcript would be awesome though; sorry that I've not gotten around to that yet (I do these in my spare time and suggested to Roblimo that he might want to run a shorter version). If you want to help, I've set up an Amara import here [amara.org]. In general, Passionate Voices is a community project (the videos are under CC-0, i.e. free to reuse), and help is always welcome [google.com], including with doing itnerviews.
Re:Slashdot videos suck! (Score:5, Insightful)
But we don't want to get to know the person better. This is about news and information, not warm fuzzy feelings. I could read a reasonable summary in 20 seconds and move on, without every worry about what the writer looked like or what the facial expressions were while writing.
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...reasonable summary...
Where?
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This one looks good:
http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]
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How is this woman any different?
This video lost me as "safe spaces" (Score:4, Insightful)
A "safe space" is basically politically correct bigotry and SJW code for "we want segregation and preferential treatment for certain groups."
If some special snowflake is offended at something, then it's up to that special snowflake to deal with their feels on their own terms, not for the rest of the online community to bend to their demands for special treatment because something "triggered" them.
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You sound offended. Need a hug?
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The OP didn't use the acronym, "MRA", anywhere.
Unless the person you replied to was flagged and deleted...
"Pipeline" by Sumana (Score:1, Insightful)
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And just last year a woman actually IN tech and not as a "community leader" released this article [linuxjournal.com] calling bullshit on basically everything self-aggrandizing hanger's on like this video's star claims. Empirical research shows women have an advantage somewhere between 2:1 and 4:1 in STEM fields, and current statistics put them at nearly 2/3rds of college graduates and dominating virtually every single measure of academic achievement we have.
And that's not even counting less empirical measures of power and pri
So where's the transcript? (Score:1)
So where's the transcript with this which Roblimo mentioned at some point in the past would alway be presented with the videos? I'm not going to waste time on 10 to 200 times the download required for video as opposed to a nice simple text transcript.
Anyway, if she has an idea of how to run an open source community, she can start and run one herself. That's how free and libre software works: don't like what's out there (for software or communities)... well then start your own or fork something which you c
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Oh I remember you from the other thread.
What has made you so bitter and angry at women?
Regardless though you seriously need to seek professional help. Getting trolled on slashdot doesn't count.
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Feminazis and their lapdogs. To which group do you belong?
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Feminazis and their lapdogs. To which group do you belong?
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So the actions of a minority makes you hate the majority?
As to whichever group I belong to, I belong to one that doesn't hate all women, neither do I belive women are inherently inferior to men. That actually makes me happy, because if I ever exhibit a trait that some consider more "femenine", I don't have to worry because it doesn't make me feel inferior.
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All human brains require estrogen, in a male it is made from testosterone via local aromatase enzymes. Possession by the demon known as a female mind is instead the problem. Ok, that was a joke.
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You ask quite a lot from an estrogen poisoned brain.
Hey, I resemble that remark!
No, I didn't watch the whole video - as soon as I heard the words "safe spaces", it was "here we go again ..."
Went back after typing the above ... "empowering people, especially the marginalized, using technology" blah blah blah "diversity efforts" blah blah blah ... Since most open source software is developed over the internet, "on the internet nobody knows you're a dog." If people become too abusive, you have several choices:
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My choice on /. ;-)
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Since most open source software is developed over the internet, "on the internet nobody knows you're a dog."
Says user BarbaraHudson :-)
You hammer on a point too long, you turn potential supporters right off.
Indeed, which is one of the key tactics of the MRAs. You can find extensive discussion of how they created hundreds of sock puppet accounts and astroturfed the hell out of both sides in an attempt to both confuse and cause people to turn off with fatigue: http://archive.is/Ler4O [archive.is]
Those are the logs published by the MRAs themselves, by the way. Raw and unedited, massive but easy to search. For some hints on what to search for check out https://storify.com/strictmach... [storify.com]
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Woof! :-)
None of this derogates from the fact that the most prominent SJWs were engaging in unrealistic and often fake histrionics and outright lies (Briana Wu especially) for their own self-aggrandizement and/or financial interests.
Once that became painfully obvious, I say a pox on both their houses - they deserve each other. Calmer, more rational people will withdraw from such stupidity and work on the problems via other means.
Both sides have a few valid points (reverse discrimination being one of them
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Educate yerself, lest ye continue to look like a fool.
http://deepfreeze.it/ [deepfreeze.it]
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Successful ones invariably are, yes. One common mode is the "benevolent dictator" model used by the Linux kernel. Another is the constitutional-democracy-with-technical-oversight model used by Debian. And there are a variety of others. But for an open source project to scale well, it needs some sort of conflict resolution method (at the least), since programmers are about as easy to get pointed in the same direction as cats.
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Idiotic statement. Programmers are easily pointed in the same directions as anyone else: With money. You want to point people, who work for free in an open source project, in the same direction? Yep, a bit more difficult. As it is for any other voluntary working group.
I'm not sure if 11 minutes is a summary... (Score:2)
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Meritocracy is soooo misogynist.
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Meritocracy is soooo misogynist.
Why? It's not the meritocracy, but the underlying issues, such as lack of equal opportunity, of crappy teaching programs that reinforce stereotypes (teaching girls programming in a segregated environment, for example, which blatantly shoves "we think you can't do this as well" in both gender's faces), and implying that career choices that are typically male are more valid than others. These programs just add more damage.
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Yes, lack of equal opportunity could be a problem. But boys do quite well is this field despite constant discrimination.
Suuure.... and not teaching in a segregated environment = wahhhhh.... our precious snowflakes are disadvantaged by boys.
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Tell that to black male programmers looking for a job.
The real solution is to provide actual mentoring in a mixed-gender environment, not pre-packaged for-profit "teaching programs" that segregate the sexes. Both genders would certainly benefit from it. Follow the $$$.
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To a Man that thinks he's a Woman? Your judgment is clouded by your obvious mental illness.
Coming from an AC who thinks he's a man, that's pretty funny.
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Yes, we're programmers, so all those so-called experts in user-interface design should just shut up. We don't need usability studies! We wrote it ourselves, and pressing Alt-X and then typing "frobnitz" works and is memorable for us. Why should we adapt to using these stupid mice the way lusers would expect?
Sure, intelligent programmers might realize that there are domains involved with computing and software projects that don't directly involve coding skills (like user interface design, or real-world use c
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With all due respect (to your 4 digits!), do you really think that we ("programmers") need all that "how to be a human advise" (that Slashdot is full of)? I am asking specifically about that "how to be a human domain", not generally about non-coding domains related to us (like those you mentioned, and for which i agree we need external advise).
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Hey, atm it is even 'insightful'. Enjoy it as long it lasts... The SJW scum is slow lately, but they surely will come.
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Hey, atm it is even 'insightful'.
Ha... it was "funny" just moments ago - BUT I WANTED "INFORMATIVE" (i really watched the video)!!!
Enjoy it as long it lasts... The SJW scum is slow lately, but they surely will come.
I already had some love from them:"Seriously, get help.", "You're sexist and a child. Die in a fire."! The irony is that they probably did not watched this "Building Hospitable Communities" video...
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And I thank you for this. I really expected this from the first glance on the article's title and waited for a summary like yours to confirm my suspicion. So no need to waste my time :-)
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And I thank you for this. I really expected this from the first glance on the article's title and waited for a summary like yours to confirm my suspicion. So no need to waste my time :-)
And a fellow Slashdoter made some good "investigation" work [slashdot.org]
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Anon Coward (anti)SJW (Score:3, Insightful)
It feels like there is a single anon coward that's getting all butthurt crying 'SJW!' at the drop of a hat.
Seems like it's the 21st century 'I'm not a racist, but...'
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Yes, the first thing Ithought when I saw the article summary was "this is going to bring out the SIWs (Social Injustice Warriors) in force!" :)
Re:Anon Coward (anti)SJW (Score:5, Informative)
Because that is why it was posted. It is an inflammatory diatribe by a SJW. Check out her resume. Never worked long than 1 year at any place. Typical SJW who doesn't want to "do", just "talk".
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And that was a typical MRA post. Didn't address what was being said, just threw in a few ad-hominem attacks and "SJW".
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Meanwhile women actually IN the field... (Score:4, Interesting)
are busy writing articles calling bullshit [linuxjournal.com] on non-coders like Sumana who do nothing but insult and degrade women by talking about how feckless and vulnerable they are.
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Can you say precisely at what point she claims women are feckless and vulnerable? She doesn't appear to be saying that at all.
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It's been the overall narrative, whether they intended it or not, given by a lot of the yellow journalists and ideologues of third-wave feminism. Well, maybe CONFUSED ideologues of third-wave feminism, but then some people would rather win at any cost (even a pyrrhic victory), than lose.
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It's exactly what she's saying. She's erasing women's accomplishments so far, speaking over and silencing women actually in tech, and insisting that women are such weak and fragile eggshells that they must be pandered to because they just can't succeed even in an environment where they're nothing but a screenname and the quality of their code.
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Oh, brainwane, what happened? You used to be cool. (Score:2)
It seems to be a social justice tech pundit initiation ritual to attack Linus Torvalds' management style and the culture that surrounds the Linux kernel.
It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's not supposed to be welcoming, it is supposed to be a filter, because the wanna-bees far outnumber the bees. Complaining about it is like complaining about the nature of special forces training. It is demanding, unsympathetic, and hostile to failure for a damned good reason - because the cost of failure is high, higher t
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It seems to be a social justice tech pundit initiation ritual to attack Linus Torvalds' management style and the culture that surrounds the Linux kernel.
It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's not supposed to be welcoming, it is supposed to be a filter, because the wanna-bees far outnumber the bees. Complaining about it is like complaining about the nature of special forces training. It is demanding, unsympathetic, and hostile to failure for a damned good reason - because the cost of failure is high, higher than every other open source project. The claim that that is what keeps women out is self-defeating, because you're not advocating for women, you're calling them weak and incompetent far more plainly the dog whistling of the Internet misogynist.
No one is obliged to change their culture to suit the delicate sensibilities of someone else. You want to fit in with a foreign culture, the onus is on you to change, not the other way around. If you want more women to participate in the Linux kernel, the onus is on you to change how the wider culture indoctrinates women, so that they can learn how to correctly perceive the nuance that exists in that style of hyperbolic insulting criticism, which most men understand even if they don't like it.
Give it a chance and I think you'll find that it's a lot more fun and honest and helpful than the passive aggressive style of criticism that the social justice cult considers "constructive".
As someone who some decades ago served for a couple of years as a conscript in the Greek S.F. i must fully agree with everything in your comment - and you don't even need to be a S.F. macho guy (who at the beginning of his training received mostly psychological pressure, as it is usual in S.F. selection phase) to understand what must be done in any environment (i would cry like a little girl in a serious 5-6 year olds' training ballet class!) that tries to seperates "wanna-bees" from "bees". And i must stat
Who the fuck is this and why should I care? (Score:1)
She is a cancer on the industry, just another Donglegate waiting to happen.
From what I can tell she has nothing to offer the programming world.
Just like Adria Richards this lady has no technical skill at all, only exists to stir up problems and has no business being in this field.
That is not sexist, it is the truth. If she were a he, he wouldn't belong either.
Code is gender-neutral.