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University of Toronto: Anti-vaccine Homeopathy Course Is Fine 273

The University of Toronto recently undertook an investigation of one of its courses, a bachelor-level health class that taught both anti-vaccination materials and the "science" of homeopathy. The investigation was undertaken because of complaints from professors and other scientific and medical experts. Surprisingly, the university concluded that the class was just fine. "Students taking (the course) ... are in their final year of study and are expected to approach controversial topics with a critical lens. The instructor reports that she provides these readings as the students have already seen the other side in previous courses." The course's syllabus is available for reading. It contains quotes like this: "There are broad concepts that bind various 'alternative' medical modalities together. Among these is the assertion that the human organism, which developed as an integrated unit in its formation, also functions as an integrated unit; that mind, body, and spirit are inextricably linked. Disorder or disturbance in any one of these areas can cause disease in another area."
Update: 07/13 14:14 GMT by S : Reader Gallenod points out that the University has now decided that the course will not be taught during the 2015-2016 academic year, or over the summer.
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University of Toronto: Anti-vaccine Homeopathy Course Is Fine

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  • University of Toronto believe magic is the same as science? Tim S.
    • by khasim ( 1285 ) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:15AM (#50097719)

      Remember, it isn't "magic" if you say it's "quantum mechanics".

      Quantum physics is a branch of physics that understands the interrelationship between matter
      and energy. This science offers clear explanations as to why homeopathic remedies with seemingly no chemical trace of the original substance are able to resolve chronic diseases, why
      acupuncture can offer patients enough pain relief to undergo surgery without anesthesia, why meditation alone
      can, in some instances, reduce the size of cancerous tumors.

      No it does not.

      And as part of the "course goals":

      Understand the difference between Newtonian physics and Quantum physics and their corresponding impacts
      on biology.

      Bullshit.

      Intelligently address the concerns of those afraid of alternative medicine or skeptical about its efficacy.

      It's called the placebo effect.

      • Just to play devil's advocate here, declaring a problem solved because you've attributed it to the placebo effect isn't really good enough. The placebo effect is merely a name for something we don't understand. We are often guilty of naming things we don't understand and then declaring them understood. Could the answers to the phenomenon of "mind over matter" be found in quantum mechanics? I don't know enough to comment.
        • by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @09:17AM (#50098173)

          It is trivial to observe that the placebo effect occurs with a sugar pill or with a homeopathic remedy. If there is "quantum mechanics" involved, it is almost certainly not the mechanism described by homeopathy.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Just to play devil's advocate here, declaring a problem solved because you've attributed it to the placebo effect isn't really good enough. The placebo effect is merely a name for something we don't understand.

          For the sake of argument let's assume we don't understand the placebo effect (though that's really not true, but I'll play along).

          We still have a known mechanism, called the placebo effect, by which people report to experiencing some health improvements in the absence of a physical mechanism. We also know of no plausible physical mechanism by which things like homeopathy can have an effect. And, in fact, when measured, their effects match exactly the effects of placebo.

          So yes, we can absolutely say the pr

        • by green1 ( 322787 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @09:31AM (#50098301)

          Actually, the placebo effect is something we DO understand, quite well in fact. Many studies have been done on it in quite some detail.

        • We don't need to understand why the placebo effect occurs, merely that any treatment should be more effective in order to be considered valid. Homeopathic approaches don't yield better results than a control group, which is why they aren't considered medically valid.

          Mind over matter (or something very similar to our notion of it) may well exist, but if it cannot be reproduced in a controlled manner, it's useless are far as medicine goes.
        • by gsslay ( 807818 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @09:44AM (#50098441)

          The placebo effect is merely a name for something we don't understand.

          No. No it isn't. If this is the starting point for your argument then you are already wrong before you say another word.

      • It's a sad truth that too much people fail to perceive the fallacy in this train of reasoning: if scientists cannot explain, then it's beyond science; and if it's beyond science, then this esoteric explanation must be right. Now just because some aspects of quantum mechanics are counterintuitive, some folks think they can invocate "Quantum Physics" as if it was some kind of god that justify their theories.
      • It reminds me of the book Fashionable Nonsense [wikipedia.org] by Sokal and Bricmont where a lot of the nonsensical philosophy they looked at incorporated advanced scientific and mathematical concepts that aren't well-understood by the common person. My guess is that the people who do this think it makes it harder to be called on their bullshit, but invariably the run into someone who's an expert in the field and points out that the emperor has no clothes.

        It's rather disturbing that the university would keep this course
      • > It's called the placebo effect.

        It could well be -- the placebo effect is ~ 50% effective. How the hell can you have something that effective when you have zero mg administered? The placebo effect is even stranger (From 13 Things that don't make sense) [newscientist.com]

        1 The placebo effect
        Don't try this at home. Several times a day, for several days, you induce pain in someone. You control the pain with morphine until the final day of the experiment, when you replace the morphine with saline solution. Guess what? The sa

  • by CaptainPinko ( 753849 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @07:59AM (#50097595)
    I have no problem with a course teaching about what anti-vaccine supporters claim if it helps doctors debunk it in person and helps them dismantle it in person. I hope this is what it is about.
    • by Pubstar ( 2525396 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:06AM (#50097649)
      I got to this point into the course outline before I had to stop before I required assistance from mainstream medicine for toxic levels of stupidity.

      We will delve into a quantum physics’ understanding of disease and alternative medicine to provide a scientific hypothesis of how these modalities may work. Quantum physics is a branch of physics that understands the interrelationship between matter and energy. This science offers clear explanations as to why homeopathic remedies with seemingly no chemical trace of the original substance are able to resolve chronic diseases, why acupuncture can offer patients enough pain relief to undergo surgery without anesthesia, why meditation alone can, in some instances, reduce the size of cancerous tumors.

      My fucking brain will never be the same.

      • by RobinH ( 124750 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:14AM (#50097711) Homepage
        I know so many people who just eat that shit up. Basically it tells (some) people what they want to hear: "here's a very simple trick you can use to win while everyone else loses."
        • by khasim ( 1285 )

          I see it as three different cases:

          1. The health nut who is already healthy but attributes their health to this one weird secret that only a few, special, people know about. Because everyone else isn't as smart as they are.

          2. Someone with a bad disease who wants some hope that they'll get better so they'll try anything.

          3. Munchausen syndrome

    • by pr0t0 ( 216378 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:24AM (#50097799)

      You have to wonder if we live in a time where any opposing viewpoint merits a "teach the controversy" approach. Can I claim anything, convince hoards of mouth-breathers desperate for something to cling to, and have it taught at a university, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

      I'd also like to take a moment to quote Tim Minchin's awesome beat poem rant "Storm" which seems relevant:

      "By definition", I begin
      "Alternative Medicine", I continue
      "Has either not been proved to work,
      Or been proved not to work.
      You know what they call "alternative medicine"
      That's been proved to work?
      Medicine."

      If you haven't seen or heard it, I highly recommend it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      • by jmac_the_man ( 1612215 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:49AM (#50097977)
        To be fair, there are college classes on things like "critical analysis of comic books" and Deflategate.

        The barrier to entry for "There should be a class about this" is pretty low.

      • by narcc ( 412956 )

        You know what they call "alternative medicine"
        That's been proved to work?
        Medicine."

        What bothers me about that it's a complete misrepresentation. Criticism is meaningless when it drifts off in to some parody of the topic under discussion.

        In this case, the author implies that "alternative medicine" is understood as "alternatives to medicine" instead of "alternative approaches to medicine". If he intends his talk to convince believers that they're mistaken, he's failed. They'll simply roll their eyes, convinced he doesn't understand the topic, as it appears the speaker doesn't understand t

        • It is highly ironic that you should link to Tennant's article, given that you are attempting to claim that there is a fallacy behind the author's words. A much more effective (and perhaps only) way for you to refute them (and which would also conform to Tennant's ideas of a correct response) would be to present some examples of "alternative approaches to medicine" that do work (and while you are about it, explain in what way they are "alternative" - a choice between chemo and radiation, for example, is not

    • by BCGlorfindel ( 256775 ) <klassenk AT brandonu DOT ca> on Monday July 13, 2015 @10:46AM (#50099057) Journal

      I have no problem with a course teaching about what anti-vaccine supporters claim if it helps doctors debunk it in person and helps them dismantle it in person. I hope this is what it is about.

      That was exactly my hope. I could see the legitimacy of inoculating students to all the half truths and outright lies that alternative fruitcakes are trying to pitch the public. It's even important to have our medical students versed in some of it just so they can be prepared to counter the fear mongers.

      Regrettably, the course outline reveals otherwise. It goes as far to say the course will delve into a quantum physics’ understanding of disease. So it's a course teaching the very worst of the lies. The instructor is listed as Beth Landau-Halpern. Here's an undercover video CBC [youtube.com] caught her and others in where she tells the parent that vaccines are causing allergies and other stupidity that is entirely counter to scientific evidence. She even has a blog post here [straight.com] confirming it was her and pleading that her advice was devoid of context, as if there is some context in which suggesting vaccines like that for MMR is really far worse for a child than a homeopathic placebo she was willing to sell...

      This is as about as bad as it can get. We have the U of T willing to run a course taught by someone this loony, and then to review the course material and find it acceptable even! Of course, they are not going to be offering the course next year, and hopefully never again. But for it to get this far is a sign of some very, very deep rot in institutions that seriously needs to be cleaned up.

  • by XARG ( 188455 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:01AM (#50097619)

    "Question the priorities and approaches of mainstream western medicine through the lens of a more holistic approach to health."

    "Understand the connection between body, mind, energy, and spirit and how the interplay between these impact health and disease."

    "Intelligently address the concerns of those afraid of alternative medicine or skeptical about its efficacy. "

    Wow, this sounds like a nice university...

  • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:06AM (#50097647) Journal
    If anything, medical students, and indeed everyone, should approach these controversial topics with a scientific "lens". Keep an open mind, certainly, but keep it open to alternative avenues of scientific exploration, and apply the same rigour as you would to your regular research.
  • by mwfischer ( 1919758 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:07AM (#50097665) Journal

    This is a university. Not a career training institute. There maybe some controversial shit and this course is examining that phenomena. It's probably a good course. Now if the professor is dictating this and slapping down students for writing against the psychobabel doctrine then yeah that's a problem.

    Besides, if alternative medicine worked, it would be called medicine.

    • by msobkow ( 48369 )

      I don't think you quite grasp how many older medical practices with centuries of effective treatment are lumped together under "alternative" along with claptrap like homeopathy.

      Just to name a few: Herbology, accupuncture, and the use of cannabis are considered "alternative" therapies. Every one of those has been in use for thousands of years longer than "modern" medicine, and are as effective as they've ever been, despite the naysaying of those who would rather shove prescription pills down your throat.

      • by green1 ( 322787 )

        Of course all those "alternative" therapies also share something in common with homeopathy, no scientific evidence that they actually work.

        Accupuncture has been proven to be junk, Herbs and cannabis are much better, however not nearly as good as actual medicine. You are right however that they are exactly as effective as they've ever been. The same can not be said for modern medicine, which gets more effective every single day.

        How long we've been doing something ("thousands of years") has never been an accu

    • It's pretty clear from the syllabus that it's not a good course.

    • This is a university. Not a career training institute.

      In practical terms that is a distinction without a difference in today's world. I went to college to get a diploma that allows me to be considered for specific jobs. I happened to learn a lot of information relevant to those jobs along the way. Virtually all people who go to college today do so to enhance their employment prospects. All other considerations are secondary. Once upon a time college may have been for a more general education but that is no longer the case and hasn't been for some time now

    • by dbIII ( 701233 )
      Others have posted the course summary, and it's clearly brain destroying bullshit itself - eg:

      We will delve into a quantum physics understanding of disease and alternative medicine to provide a scientific hypothesis of how these modalities may work

      As a line from some alien in Star Trek it's merely tacky, in a University it should ring alarm bells.

    • This is a university. Not a career training institute. There maybe some controversial shit and this course is examining that phenomena. It's probably a good course. Now if the professor is dictating this and slapping down students for writing against the psychobabel doctrine then yeah that's a problem.

      Besides, if alternative medicine worked, it would be called medicine.

      Actually, it wouldn't--this has a lot to do with history, and the bottom line is that the modern evidence-based school and the now-gone eclectic schools are the ones that where "But does it work?" actually get the most attention.

      That said, most of alternative doesn't work, or works but not for the reasons they give, and a 'good' version of this course probably would be covering how to sort through and develop rigorous scientific tests. And possibly also raising the important question of "If the placebo eff

  • by mwvdlee ( 775178 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:08AM (#50097673) Homepage

    Welcome students, to this course delving deep into all the science that is the foundation of homeopathy.
    Let's start.
    No questions?
    You all get an A.
    Class dismissed.

    • by maligor ( 100107 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @10:05AM (#50098657)

      Welcome students, to this course delving deep into all the science that is the foundation of homeopathy.
      Let's start.
      No questions?

      I have a question:

      Assuming I've understood the concept correctly, and it's about water remembering, wouldn't the water coming out of the tap have once in it's life been in a continuous body of water that has already come into contact with every single possible contaminant, and therefore should cure every disease known to man?

  • Theology (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cloud.pt ( 3412475 )

    It seems fine to me too.

    Anyone undertaking these courses knows what they're signing up for (pseudo-science), and in all honesty, it goes to show how well respected, religion-aligned theology courses have had state approval (and actual educational value) throughout the times. After all, most "original universities" started out from a form of clergy information repository, and its faculty and alumni related one way or the other to religion.

    It would be antithetical to not sanction an homeopathy course by deny

    • by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:19AM (#50097745)
      Most MDs I know would agree with the basic premise behind the statement that the human organism, which developed as an integrated unit in its formation, also functions as an integrated unit; that mind, body, and spirit are inextricably linked. Where they draw the line is on pseudoscientific nonsense. They freely admit that we do not know everything about why and how teh human body reacts to certain things, but we do know when certain things simply do not work and fall into the realm of quackery. I am all for understanding the arguments the other side makes so you can refute them, just don't make the mistake of giving them some legitimacy because they are "taught at University."
    • > Anyone undertaking these courses knows what they're signing up for

      Unfortunately no, you'd probably be surprised the stupid things some doctors think. If it's outside their specialty, they can be horribly wrong.

    • Anyone undertaking these courses knows what they're signing up for (pseudo-science)

      The people signing up for a course in homeopathy 'know' jack shit, they honestly cannot distinguish science from pseudoscience. These are the people that the education system failed to educate and now they are being misled at the university level. It may not be as violent as scientology but it is on the same level of intellectual immaturity and has no place in a modern university.

      The problem with this kind of crap is two-fold, first it is downright dangerous to the patients health to encourage them to sh

  • by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:19AM (#50097747)

    And that concept is "bullshit". I find no problems with lumping homeopathy, chiropracty, healilng crystals, astrology and other magic cures together.

    (prepared for a dozen posts that say chiropractors are not like that!)

    • I'll bite. I woke up one morning with a very severe kink in my neck. It lasted several days until I finally went to a chiropractor. Two visits and the pain was gone. I don't have the authority or knowledge to determine if what they do should actually be considered medicine. But in my case, they provided a treatment that resulted in a relief from severe pain.
      • If chiropractic limited itself to minor "adjustments" and such, it'd be okay, IMO. When I was 7 years old I twisted my neck and slipped a disc; the only guy open that late at night was a chiro, my mom took me to him, and he gave me a twist (scary!) The pain reduction was immediate, though not total.. it took a few days for the muscles to heal, as they'd spasm'd badly when I hurt myself.
        But if they claim to heal all other kinds of issues, they're getting into quack territory. A pinched nerve in your
  • by Anonymous Coward

    This is dangerous stuff. I knew a guy, who forgot to take his homeopathic medicine. He died of an overdose!!

  • "... and are expected to approach controversial topics with a critical lens."

    Wow! I guess they also have astrology and phrenology doctorates .

  • This will make employers rush to hire UoT grads.

    Sham on you Canada.

    I typo'ed that, but decided it was better with the bad spelling.

  • by tommeke100 ( 755660 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:37AM (#50097887)
    UoT says it's okay because "they are expected to approach controversial topics with a critical lens". So how exactly will they be graded on the course if they are indeed skeptical about the voodoo explained? If the examinator asks "How does dilution works?" Can you answer "well it doesn't because it's BS and proven to be so in Clinical Trials". Does that get you an A+ in the course?
  • For shame, University of Toronto! Phrenology is every bit as scientifically proven as homeopathy!

  • ...To sell UT the phlogiston it will need for the coming winter.

    According to the course description, it will use quantum mechanics to "explain" why homeopaths believe that a weaker solution of a medication has more of an effect than a stronger solution. No word on whether dillithium crystals will be involved.

    • by dbIII ( 701233 )
      Actually phlogiston was real science and led to the discovery of oxygen when oxidation of iron did not fit the phlogiston model - at which point the model was universally abandoned. However it is always easier to laugh at what you don't understand and those funny guys with test tubes than see it as a step towards understanding.
  • As a University of Toronto graduate and employee, I find this all rather embarrassing.

  • by Buck Feta ( 3531099 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:48AM (#50097963)
    The instructor, Beth Landau-Halpern, is married to Rick Halpern, the dean of the campus where this course is taught.
  • Course Discontinued (Score:5, Informative)

    by Gallenod ( 84385 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:49AM (#50097973)

    Fortunately, wiser heads have finally prevailed:

        http://www.provost.utoronto.ca... [utoronto.ca]

    From the article:
    =====
    The UTSC Health Studies Program has indicated that the course in question will not be taught in the 2015-16 academic year, or over the summer term.

    As Provost of this academic institution, I must at all times respect the diversity of opinions and views of academic colleagues and sessional instructors. However, I do note with respect that the Deans of the University’s Faculty of Medicine and Dalla Lana School of Public Health have released a statement commenting on the education of their students regarding vaccinations. It includes the following:

    “As deans of two of the health sciences faculties at the University of Toronto, we teach our students that vaccines are safe, effective and vital to children’s health. Vaccines are one of history’s most important and significant achievements in public health and medicine. The best evidence that science can provide proves that the health benefits of vaccines far outweigh their potential side effects, and we instruct our students accordingly.”
    =====

  • by bazorg ( 911295 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @08:52AM (#50098005)

    "Understand the connection between body, mind, energy, and spirit and how the interplay between these impact health and disease."

    I hope that the University will publish the videos taken during the lectures and of the experiments conducted to show the connections between body, mind, energy and spirit. I think this transparency and level of disclosure will do a lot for the reputation of everyone involved.

  • by goodmanj ( 234846 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @09:29AM (#50098287)

    I teach physics at a liberal arts college, I am totally on board with exposing students to cross-disciplinary ideas that go against accepted norms. So as I'm reading through the syllabus, I'm fine with things like this:

    Alternative medicine ... has gained unprecedented popularity among patients ... The focus of the course is not on the shortcomings or limitations of conventional medicine, but on the ways in which various alternative ... modalities reflect a paradigm of health, disease, and healing that stand in contrast to the scientific, biomedicalized paradigm, the standard understanding in the West.

    Sure, no problem, let's do a compare-and-contrast, it's popular enough that we need to be familiar with it whether we think it's baloney or not, and considerations of how states of mind affect states of health are real and useful. But then we hit page 2:

    We will delve into a quantum physics’ understanding of disease and alternative medicine to provide a scientific hypothesis of how these modalities may work. Quantum physics is a branch of physics that understands the interrelationship between matter and energy. This science offers clear explanations as to why homeopathic remedies with seemingly no chemical trace of the original substance are able to resolve chronic diseases, why acupuncture can offer patients enough pain relief to undergo surgery without anesthesia, why meditation alone can, in some instances, reduce the size of cancerous tumors.

    No. The author has no idea what quantum physics is, and is using it as a magic wand made of pure bullshit. Uttering the phrase "quantum physics" is, of course, a pretty common and cliched way to sound impressive without knowing anything, but it demonstrates that the "honest intellectual inquiry" thing is just a disguise, and the professor is here to sell snake oil.

    Get the hell out of my ivory tower.

  • "The instructor reports that she provides these readings as the students have already seen the other side in previous courses."

    "The other side"? When one side is the best modern science has to offer, and the other "side" is unadulterated bull$hit, further study is not necessary, except to the extent that it would be helpful for students to be familiar with said BS so they can swiftly disabuse patients of the idea that any of it is actually going to work.

    When, in a course of scientific study, one side disca

  • by pak9rabid ( 1011935 ) on Monday July 13, 2015 @10:56AM (#50099129)
    Idiot:I have a degree in homeopathic medicine!
    Announcer Bot:You have a degree in balogna! (sprays the idiot with water)

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

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