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4 Calif. Students Arrested For Alleged Mass-Killing Plot 452

The New York Times reports that four high school students in the small California town of Tuolumne, about 120 miles east of San Francisco, have been arrested, but not yet charged, for planning an attack on their school, Summerville High School. According to the Times, three of the four were overheard discussing this plot, and a fourth conspirator was later identified. Their goal, according to Toulumne sheriff James Mele, was "to shoot and kill as many people as possible at the campus"; they had not however been able yet to obtain the weapons they wanted to carry out the attack. From NBC News' version of the story: "Detectives located evidence verifying a plot to shoot staff and students at Summerville High School," Mele said. "The suspects' plan was very detailed in nature and included names of would-be victims, locations and the methods in which the plan was to be carried out."
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4 Calif. Students Arrested For Alleged Mass-Killing Plot

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 05, 2015 @12:00AM (#50659271)

    I come here for geek/tech news. I read stuff like this on real news sites.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 05, 2015 @12:18AM (#50659357)

      Then why did you click the link? You could have spent 3 seconds reading the headline and scrolled on to the next article.

    • by quenda ( 644621 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @01:10AM (#50659531)

      I come here for geek/tech news.

      Thats odd. Most people come here to read the comments. Nobody reads TFA.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by dinfinity ( 2300094 )

        I'd actually really appreciate a 'regular' news site that had a high-quality community and an effective moderating system like Slashdot has.

        I don't think one of those exists, does it?

      • Re: (Score:2, Offtopic)

        Nobody reads TFA.

        Some folks don't even bother to read the summary.

        . . . And it seems to me, that some don't read the post that they are replying to.

    • by Ethanol ( 176321 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @01:13AM (#50659543)

      Spoken like someone who wasn't around when Jon Katz was writing his "Voices From The Hellmouth" columns, after the LIttleton massacre when nerdy teens were suddenly public enemy #1. As an old-timer, this looks exactly like the sort of story I'd expect /. to link to and discuss.

      • Spoken like someone who wasn't around when Jon Katz was writing his "Voices From The Hellmouth" columns, after the LIttleton massacre when nerdy teens were suddenly public enemy #1. As an old-timer, this looks exactly like the sort of story I'd expect /. to link to and discuss.

        Huh? If you actually read TFA, there's precisely zero information in either linked article to suggests the suspects are 'nerdy teens' or have any other reason to be linked to the /. demographic. As a /. old-timer, I'm with OP, the

    • by penguinoid ( 724646 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @01:37AM (#50659617) Homepage Journal

      I read stuff like this on real news sites.

      Not really. The only reason "terrorism" is relevant here at all, is that Americans are get so scared they shit themselves all over the Constitution whenever terrorism is mentioned. Unless your so-called news site basically says, "some insignificant statistic happened, so get ready to give up more freedoms and/or expect people to start discussing terrorism again", then it's not a real news site.

      Wake me up when terrorists kill more people than peanuts. People aren't afraid of dangerous things like cars, but shit themselves over terrists.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        People are afraid of cars, that's why they spend so much time looking at safety rating when making a purchase and teaching their kids how to cross the road safely. There are huge volumes of law in place that successfully made cars much, much safer than they otherwise would be.

        Most people aren't actively soiling their pants over terrorists either, it's just that when you ask them directly if something should be done to make them safer they find it hard to argue against that. It's not fear of terrorism, it's

        • People are afraid of cars, that's why they spend so much time looking at safety rating when making a purchase

          Only wealthy people can even afford to do that. Everyone else buys used what they can afford. Remember, the middle class is vanishing. Car sales are up right now because gas prices are down and consumers are feeling froggy but they will go up again the next time it suits the agenda, and then car sales will plummet once more.

          and teaching their kids how to cross the road safely.

          I sure wish they would do that. They clearly don't.

    • "I don't come to slashdot for these stories"

      Agreed. If this sort of padding continues, along with the downward slide of quality and relevance of comments, it'll be time to move on.

      • it begs the question as to why you clicked on the article, read the posts in order to reply to one if that is really your attitude to this type of article. why not just ignore it and not click on it?
        • "why not just ignore it and not click on it?"

          Silence implies acceptance. Response shows attitude.

  • Safety (Score:4, Funny)

    by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @12:04AM (#50659293)

    Even if they had the weapons, everyone at school would have been safe. The school was designated a gun-free zone. I'm pretty sure there's no way they could have gotten the guns past those "gun-free zone" signs.

    • Re:Safety (Score:5, Insightful)

      by quenda ( 644621 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @12:47AM (#50659477)

      The school was designated a gun-free zone.

      That totally misses the point. Planned massacres, like terrorism, make up only a very small proportion of gun deaths. The reason for keeping weapons such as knives out of schools (or anywhere else) is to reduce the chance of fights escalating and becoming deadly. It has nothing to do with the lesser problem of killing sprees.

      And the idea that schools in the US even need "gun-free zone" signs is bat-shit crazy. On the other side of the world, I did not need any sign or rule to know that if I sneaked my dad's shotgun into school, I'd be facing certain suspension. (That was before secure gun safes were mandatory.)

      • Re:Safety (Score:5, Interesting)

        by FlyHelicopters ( 1540845 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @12:52AM (#50659501)

        And the idea that schools in the US even need "gun-free zone" signs is bat-shit crazy. On the other side of the world, I did not need any sign or rule to know that if I sneaked my dad's shotgun into school, I'd be facing certain suspension. (That was before secure gun safes were mandatory.)

        And that is a shame... my father took his rifle to school and kept it in his locker, they had a gun club at school and kids would often go shooting after classes were out...

        And he has never owned a gun safe, and amazingly enough in 71 years none of his guns have jumped up and shot anyone... No one in any of his schools was ever shot either...

        Guns didn't change, society did, for the worse...

        • And your point?

          Do we now ban guns cause today's society can't handle guns?

        • "Guns didn't change, society did, for the worse.." - not really, the gun lobby still lives in the time period of 200+ years ago and its all its supporters seem to as well. its about time they matured into the 21st century.
          • It is a shame that you learned nothing about American History in school.

            You're not alone of course... there is reason you want (or should want) and armed population...

          • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

            Why? maybe it would be better for society to think about returning to a period where people did not commit so many mass murders?

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Kohath ( 38547 )

        "Gun free zone" means there's not even a weapon locked in a safe in the office, or in a staff member's car in the parking lot. It's a soft target.

        But yeah, if you don't care about mass shootings, a "no weapons" policy makes some superficial sense.

      • The reason for keeping weapons such as knives out of schools (or anywhere else) is to reduce the chance of fights escalating and becoming deadly.

        While keeping knives and guns out of schools *might* reduce the chances of fights becoming deadly, it increases the number of fights overall.

        Bullying happens. Subject certain kids to constant harassment with no recourse and no way out, and you get Columbine.

      • The reason for keeping weapons such as knives out of schools (or anywhere else) is to reduce the chance of fights escalating and becoming deadly. It has nothing to do with the lesser problem of killing sprees.

        I believe that in the State of Texas, you can be 18 to purchase, but the firearm must stay at the residence. Meaning you can't carry until the age of 21; which means you're an adult. Besides, even with the school ban in place, there's no reason why teachers and staff can't carry anyways.

      • When I was in elementary school in MN, I remember it being not uncommon for the high schoolers to bring (cased) shotguns on the bus, because there was some class where they did shooting.

        It was no big deal, and not one single shooting (of a person) or massacre transpired.

        It's not the guns in school that are the problem.

    • Yes let's arm school children. What could possibly go wrong?

      • Try teachers and other staff.

        Many schools used to have rifle teams and hunter safety programs in which student would bring guns to school, and somehow there wasn't mass carnage. Any ideas about that?

        • by gtall ( 79522 )

          Yeah, those schools are not in downtown Washington, D.C., New York City, Chicago, LA, etc. Care to try letting kiddies bring in guns to schools in those cities?

      • Re: Safety (Score:4, Insightful)

        by AJWM ( 19027 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @03:56AM (#50659923) Homepage

        Back in my high school days, I and plenty of my fellow students frequently went armed, some with considerably more lethal weapons than are customarily allowed in the US. I fired my first machine gun when I was seventeen.

        Mind, we were only so armed during our nights/weekends with our reserve units, but we were still, technically, armed school children.

        Aside from the occasional shoulder/cheek bruise (from not holding it properly while firing - a 7.62 FN packs a bit of a kick), I don't recall any gun-related injuries.

  • Of all the different groups of people to direct your misguided anger at, why target defenseless school or college kids? I would have been expecting a higher value target, such as corrupt politicians.

    The only reason I can think of is this is the easymode way to be remembered in the history books.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      > why target defenseless school or college kids?

      You answered your own question with the word defenseless.

    • Bullying (Score:4, Interesting)

      by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @12:20AM (#50659369)
      And shortsightedness of youth. It's hard to see past your immediate problems. You not only see no future for yourself but you also can't see our comprehend the socio-economic causes for your misery. Only the most obvious ones are apparent to most folks, and that leaves the bullies. People love picking on nerds. Even teachers do it. We didn't stop bullies until the nerds started packing heat...
      • I remember those days (they were not too long ago) but it just seems so batshit crazy. I reserved keyloggers and remote access for fucking with bullies and guns for removing coyote scum looking to eat my pets.

      • by khasim ( 1285 )

        People love picking on nerds.

        Maybe. But if they were nerds they were pretty pathetic. I'd have expected plans on how to handle the bullies that did NOT end on the evening news with the statement "before turning the weapon on himself".

        And talking about it where other students can hear? Not smart.

      • Re:Bullying (Score:5, Insightful)

        by quintessencesluglord ( 652360 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @01:25AM (#50659581)

        Let's not forget that much of public education (or culture for that matter) has become a cesspool of incompetence, questionable agendas, and dehumanization. Even if kids lack the emotional maturity to name exactly what is being done to them, they are certainly aware the authority over them is lacking in mutual respect.

        Add in a surge of hormones, and you've got a wicked circumstance.

        "When inward life dries up, when feeling decreases and apathy increases, when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing touch in the most direct way possible." -Rollo May

        • by gtall ( 79522 )

          Schools do bear some of the blame. But let's not forget the sainted American people who have no problem letting Johnny do whatever the hell he pleases until he gets caught by the police. Or the parents who are busy praising Johnny no matter what trouble he gets into because they don't want to cause self-esteem issues. Or the parents that are too busy with their own lives to bother paying attention to their sprogs. Or parents who figure it is the schools' job to raise and discipline their sprogs so they can

        • Re:Bullying (Score:5, Interesting)

          by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @08:16AM (#50660511) Journal

          I suspect a big part of the problem is teenagers should not spend quite so much time with other teenagers. Teens certainly need some time with each other but I really think they should be spending a larger part of their day surrounded principally but adults, in a more vocational context. That isn't 30 of their peers and 1 grown up in the room, with long periods like lunch with little to no adult interaction. Put a bunch of immature people together with no one to emulate but each other and its no surprise we get really strange emergent behavior.

          Adolescents need to be working with watching and learning to emulate how adults behave, and interact with one another solve problems etc. A couple hundred years ago if you were 14 you'd have been working on your fathers farm with him or in the kitchen around your mother and the other ladies. You'd spend your Sunday interacting at church etc again where there would be more adults around most of the time than other children. I think as a society we should look at teaching higher maths and reading levels sooner, it works in other parts of the world. If we could push algebra etc down to the Junior high level and wrap up primary and secondary education by 14 we could then send kids out into the workforce for awhile during their formative years. Maybe make it a normal thing to assist your parent at their job etc. When kids get to be 18, 19 etc then they go back to higher education if that is their path.

      • And shortsightedness of youth. It's hard to see past your immediate problems.

        There's no particular reason for them to see past the people actually abusing them. Take them out and people will notice. The people who trained them to be shitheels, mostly their parents, will notice. It's sad for the kids who get shot, only the parents really deserve punishment since raising decent people is their job #1.

        People love picking on nerds. Even teachers do it. We didn't stop bullies until the nerds started packing heat...

        Yep. I was horribly depressed in high school, I was I think literally the lowest scum on the totem pole. And so I was dysfunctional in class. But rather than try to find out what my probl

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      1. There are a lot of people there
      2. You get on the news and the President mentions what you did
      3. Everyone went to school. It's a familiar place. Shooters probably don't have happy memories of school.
      4. Kids don't know how to fight back. Most of the staff are women. It's a gun free zone. If you do it there, you have the maximum relative power over everyone else.
      5. When something bad happens at a school, they go on lockdown and all your victims are stuck in the building. When someone shoots up a mall,

      • 8. Why not?

        Just seems too effortless and easy in my opinion. No skill required, almost anybody could do it, not impressive whatsoever.

        I would like to think that if I were to completely snap that I would go after somebody who has done some seriously bad shit, not a bunch of defenseless stupid school bullies and randoms. Then again, I have no idea what it's like so my speculation is worthless.

      • by tsotha ( 720379 )

        2. You get on the news and the President mentions what you did

        This is a big, big part of it. These guys are small men in the making who've realized they'll never be the kind of people who make the papers for something good. And they desperately want to force everyone to hear their primal scream. Just like suicide clusters, the more it happens the more unbalanced people think about it and start to think it might be a good idea. It's a price we pay for a free press. I'd bet any amount of money if these t

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        Or when the kids turn on the TV or their video games, violence is glorified as a way of solving whatever "problems" the little bastards think they have.

    • Because the "defenseless" bullies have been humiliating you and attacking you for the past 5 years whereas politicians are just a bunch of boring old men.

  • by cold fjord ( 826450 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @12:05AM (#50659303)

    Looks like a success for "see something, say something."

  • It really seems to help them self-propagate.

    In fact, I'd rather have less TSA security at the airport and more stringent laws about reporting on mass shootings (and drug commercials too)!

  • must have been (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Necroloth ( 1512791 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @07:42AM (#50660361)
    must have been non-muslim kids... if it were angry and mentally unstable muslim kids, this would be a terrorist attack averted.
  • by luis_a_espinal ( 1810296 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @09:21AM (#50660783) Homepage
    In this society, that is the important question.
  • by Mike Van Pelt ( 32582 ) on Monday October 05, 2015 @03:11PM (#50663767)
    ... what's to prevent more guns being imported disguised as routine cocaine shipments?

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