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Anonymous Vows Revenge For ISIS Paris Attacks 488

An anonymous reader writes: As usual, Anonymous members are quicker to respond to threats than investigators and have announced #OpParis as revenge for the Paris attacks. Their action is similar to #OpISIS from this spring, launched after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Previously Anonymous ousted thousands of ISIS Twitter accounts in #OpISIS. In a more conventional response, the government of France has been bombarding ISIS positions in Syria with airstrikes, and hunting for suspect Salah Abdeslam in connection with Friday's killings.
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Anonymous Vows Revenge For ISIS Paris Attacks

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  • Quicker (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 15, 2015 @07:14PM (#50936641)

    As usual, Anonymous members are quicker to respond to threats than investigators

    That's because they don't have any requirement to perform due diligence or, well, investigate anything. Investigators do. Anonymous are more like instigators.

  • At least Anonymous has the advantage of being difficult for ISIS to target, unlike military or police forces, or even intelligence services operated by nation-states. How much they can actually accomplish remains to be seen.

    • by tsotha ( 720379 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @07:24PM (#50936681)
      IS will ignore Anonymous, military, cops, and intelligence services in favor of unsuspecting theatergoers and people out for an evening at a cafe. Military and cops shoot back, and Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.
      • by Feral Nerd ( 3929873 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @07:41PM (#50936731)

        IS will ignore Anonymous, military, cops, and intelligence services in favor of unsuspecting theatergoers and people out for an evening at a cafe. Military and cops shoot back, and Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.

        That depends on whether Anonymous plans do useless stuff like tear down ISIS websites or something useful like hack the PCs of ISIS leaders and steal their financial records or details of their oil smuggling operation which would be most useful to the military and the cops even if it would probably embarrass Turkish president Erdoan and his AKP party pretty severely but then they have it coming.

        • hack the PCs of ISIS leaders

          Which is bullshit. They need to hack the PCs of the national governments and corporations that finance them. To bring down ISIS means to bring down everything.

          • by HiThere ( 15173 )

            Which ones might well be revealed by the records within the PCs of the leaders of ISIS. But good luck trying to find that information.

            OTOH, bombing doesn't do that much good, either. It definitely convinces the population of the area bombed that you are the enemy. Many of them might well not have believed that before you dropped a bomb on their sister or at their uncle's funeral.

    • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

      Anonymous is not difficult to target. The Zetas drug cartel did it quite successfully.

      • Anonymous is not difficult to target. The Zetas drug cartel did it quite successfully.

        Just brainstorming here, but you think we could hire the Zetas Cartel to go after ISIS?

  • by ganjadude ( 952775 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @07:20PM (#50936663) Homepage
    they would sign up for the military and go bust some rear
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by AK Marc ( 707885 )
      Yeah, except that the US military is deployed in the wrong places, killing the wrong people. World peace would cost the military too much, so we make sure we'll always have enemies. Lots of enemies. It's better for the economy.
      • did I say US? I highly doubt anon is solely in the US. Where ever you are. go do something about it if you want revenge. goatse is not revenge, its funny but not revenge
        • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          Then which military are you recommending the Americans on this American site go join?
          • If only France, the target of this terrorist attack, had some kind of elite military force composed (mostly) of foreigners [wikipedia.org]... ;-)

            (Not that I agree with the OP, but it's not like your question was without an answer! I guess the youngsters who frequent this site have never watched Laurel and Hardy, with the possible exception of that god-awful Hanna Barbera cartoon...)

      • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
        Except there's a flaw with that thinking. The enemy is not supposed to come and bite you in your own country/economy. Winning against an opponent who uses asymmetric warfare is not easy - not easy at all.
    • by kheldan ( 1460303 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @07:37PM (#50936723) Homepage Journal
      That's a rather simplistic viewpoint you have there. These Sunni extremists who call themselves 'Islamic State' are using social media on the Internet as a major component in their propaganda machine, and also using it to recruit useful idiots to their cause, often in a very literal sense. Some group that has little to no regard for the legality of their actions (unlike actual law enforcement and government military) that can hack their way into their Facebook, Twitter, and other Internet assets and expose the operators behind them (and maybe their physical location) would be extremely disruptive to their operations on that front. Meanwhile 'signing up for the military' really won't do shit except give these assholes more targets to shoot at. Personally I send all my best to this particular faction of Anonymous, and wish them good hunting and much success in disrupting these assholes as much as possible.
      • The Islamic State calls it self like that because theybalready have conquered an area nearly as big as Syria, covering parts of syria and parts of Iraq, aproaching Bagdad till a few miles.
        They conquered that a year ago, thanks for waking up.
        And they call that their 'State'.

        • Are you kidding me? You should go look for reports for people who have lived under their 'government', if you can call it that. Makes living somewhere like Iran or North Korea look positively pleasant comparatively speaking. Animals in a holding pen at a slaughterhouse are treated better than these assholes treat people in their so-called 'caliphate'. They are violent animals, who posess neither the skillset nor the restraint to actually run a productive modern-day country, and any claims they have to be 'r
      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        The IS propaganda machine is a hit-n-run operation, they probably lose accounts and sites all the time for violating the terms of service but they just make more. I very much doubt Anonymous is capable of exposing someone who likes to disappear like a fart in the wind, just like Anonymous themselves. Sure hacking into their internal networks would be nice, but that sounds like very legitimate targets for the NSA and friends and that's assuming they're exposed to the Internet in any meaningful way. They migh

        • Ever hear this phrase?

          It takes a thief to catch a thief

          That's the name of the game here. Anonymous no doubt has it's high-level operatives who can stick-and-move on the same level as the hackers working for these Sunni extremists can -- and if they know how they operate, then they know how to smoke them out, too. All it takes is getting a solid lead on one of their Internet operatives, and the right people getting their hands on them. Regardless of whether or not something as fortuitous as that happens, harassing and disrupting their Inter

      • Sure, I wish them luck, but why does the pentagon have to rely on a loosely organised group of pimply teenagers to disrupt ISIS propaganda?
        What happened to the all powerful NSA / CIA I am always hearing about on slashdot? Don't they have nightly backups of the entire internet? Have ISIS admins somehow closed the NSA's infamous backdoors? Why are the spooks who broke Iran's centrifuges with social engineering and sophisticated malware suddenly incapable of hacking a garden variety web site?
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by freeze128 ( 544774 )
      Fighting ISIS by joining the military is a lot like fighting Morpheus in the matrix. i.e., "Do you think that how fast you move has anything to do with muscles in this place? Do you think that's air you're breathing?"

      If you join the military, all you will be doing is bombing (maybe) combatants in Syria. The people who perpetrated the attack in Paris obviously were not in Syria.

      Anonymous has the ability to sniff out and actually PREVENT further attacks.

      Of course, they also have the ability to SWAT Counter
      • > Fighting ISIS by joining the military is a lot like fighting Morpheus in the matrix.

        Agreed.

        "Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Virginity"

        Violence only begets violence. Work smarter, not harder.

    • they would sign up for the military and go bust some rear

      Joining the military incurs certain obligations, such as obeying chain of command, and following rules of engagement.

      Both of these hamper military efforts against terrorists, who tend to jump to the far side of the line a military unit can not cross, and then yell "Neener, neener!".

      Not having these restrictions is sometimes useful.

  • implies that they had information about Daesh targets beforehand, but chose for some reason or another not to hit them before now. Because they sure hit them fast - the last I checked they hit over 30 targets in Raqqah today - they're not just suddenly discovering new things

    Now why could that be - why would they have targets they weren't hitting? The only logical reason is that the combination of the value of the targets and their confidence in what they're hitting was lower than the risk of hitting innoce

    • There are other considerations as well. You can only fly so many sorties per day at a sustainable level over a longer term so all targets need to be prioritised against each other. RIght now the French authorities are going to be absolutely pissed so they are likely operating at the short term sprint level. Without getting additional equipment to the area and additional people to the area the step up in attacks will likely be unsustainable.

      According to http://www.theguardian.com/wor... [theguardian.com] they have 12 strik

      • by tsotha ( 720379 )
        They can certainly add more resources to the mix, though. Twelve aircraft is just showing the flag compared to what a first world country like France is capable of.
        • by x0ra ( 1249540 )
          There is only so much which can be operated so far from mainland bases.
        • It's a lot more of a commitment then show the flag. And redeploying advanced fighters doesn't happen over night. When you consider that the entire French airforce has about 156 suitable strike aircraft in its fleet you see deploying 12 or nearly 10% is a big commitment. They have also announced prior to the latest attack that they were deploying their aircraft carrier to the region.

        • by Cederic ( 9623 )

          A first world country like France? What, like the UK, which spends more on defence per year than France and would struggle to even put 12 ground attack aircraft operational over Syria?

          Maybe France has spent more wisely than my own government though. Maybe.

      • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

        Considering that the Charles de Gaul is currently on route to or is pounding IS targets in Iraq, and is capable of upwards of 30 sorties a day with their current pilot status, they could easily shift assets.

        • It's not there yet. Once the CdG is there then yes they will be able to increase sorties. The CdG carries 21 strike air craft but the biggest difference is the mission time is halved compared to the bases in the UAE.

          • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *

            It's not there yet.

            Mid air refuelling. It's already close enough.

            • Makes for really long mission times, reduces payload and puts way more strain on the planes and the pilots. I doubt that it is worth it at this time as they are not supporting ground troops or intercepting things that will cause them damage.

              • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
                I agree but if you have sufficient motivation, you can start running missions this way.
                • Oh definitely. But all the reports indicate 10 French aircraft were involved. Given they have 12 stationed in the UAE and those were the planes that were active in that theatre already it would be highly unlikely for it to be any CdG craft.

                  • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

                    Well you'd be stupid to say where craft are launching sorties from unless it's in your and the host countries best interest. Otherwise you're painting a target on their back.

                    • Why? It's not like ISIS has any capability to shoot down the fighters and the planes are well known to be stationed in the UAE. They aren't going to run into opposition on the way to target. We're not talking a fight between equals here.

                      The French have the capability to bomb any target in the region at will and there is nothing ISIS can do to stop them. All ISIS can hope for is to obscure or harden their assets enough to with stand the bombs. Or to have so many low value assets that a bomb costs more t

    • by techno-vampire ( 666512 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @07:53PM (#50936769) Homepage
      And really, we all know this isn't going to be won from the air.

      I'm no proponent of "Victory through Air-Power," but as long as we have Air Supremacy, we might as well make proper use of it. (Why go all the trouble to get it if we're not going to use it?) Cut their supply lines, bomb any supply dumps we can locate and attack any truck convoys we find. That will isolate their front-line troups, making it easier for our ground forces to smash them and win the war. Make no mistake: it's the infantry and armor who are going to finish this in the long run, but the Air Force can make their job much easier if they do their part properly.
      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        A *MUCH* better idea than bombing civilian targets, who might well not be opposed to you if they had a choice.

    • why would they have targets they weren't hitting?

      Compiling an intelligence base before flinging ordnance around willy-nilly and revealing what they know about?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 15, 2015 @07:24PM (#50936685)

    Those ISIS guys better watch now! Anonymous will be sending a barrage of pizzas to them that they didn't even order, and probably posting some dick pics on the their websites!

  • Wait a minute... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Two weeks ago more people were killed on the russian plane. Where did these anonymous guys were at that time?

  • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @08:06PM (#50936831)

    Anonymous could do the most good by hacking into and diverting - or simply revealing, if nothing else is possible - the finances of ISIS. Is there any hackable digital money stream involved, or is at all greasy piles of cash?

    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      A lot of it is from oil smuggling. They even have truck-mounted "mobile refineries" - you can buy them off of Alibaba - so they're not just selling crude, but refined gasoline and diesel ready for consumption. They load straight into tanker trucks which deliver straight to gas stations, yielding an estimated $2m per day in revenue.

      You can make an awful lot of explosive vests and buy an awful lot of AK47s with a good chunk of a billion USD per year. The coalition keeps targeting them, but they just keep buy

  • by niks42 ( 768188 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @08:13PM (#50936869)
    IS is one of the largest threats to our way of life in the west, but we are thinking too small when we think of ways to combat it. They believe they are on a mission from God, bringing about the final reckoning between good and evil - the Apocalypse. We think of them as trouble-makers that need to be sorted out as painlessly as possible, a short-term problem that can be solved with conventional weaponry, with relatively small losses. They aren't.

    How we respond to them is difficult to work out. Maybe the Anon approach of hacking and defacing their web sites - cutting off the oxygen of publicity - would be a Good Idea. It may be better than trying to pick the right targets out of the desert with smart bombs and drones. It might be better than turning the entire region into green, glowing glass.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      IS is one of the largest threats to our way of life in the west, but we are thinking too small when we think of ways to combat it.

      You're right. We think too small. The answer is clear. While we talk and talk about the evil of ISIS and the refugees and the "need" to vet these people. we leave 6.5 million+ Syrians at the mercy of Assad or ISIS or Russian bombings or US bombings or French bombings. We're all being monsters to these people. The death of 129 Parisians is nothing compared to the horror that

    • by david_thornley ( 598059 ) on Monday November 16, 2015 @07:24PM (#50943847)

      IS is one of the largest threats to our way of life in the west,

      No. They have no military capability in the West, and can only sponsor terrorism operations. Terrorism doesn't threaten our way of life, although overreactions to terrorism can.

  • Dear Anonymous... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @08:22PM (#50936897) Homepage

    One thing you can do is screw with their social media, make it look as if ISIS hates Allah and Mohammed, not in big ways that are obvious, but smaller that makes recruits stand back and second guess. Undermine their ability to recruit anyone and recruit money and they will crumble faster than 10,000 bombs can hurt them.

    Sever their income, destroy their ability to recruit and communicate. and please do it decently instead of carpet bombing that gets a lot of innocents as well. redirect their bank accounts to supporting Israel or other groups they hate.

    Reveal all their financial supporters, and feel free to drain their accounts as well.

    • I don't think that will work, since the exact things ISIS does -- and uses for recruiting purposes -- already show fully that they hate Allah and Mohammed.
    • Anonymous are completely incapable of such subtlety, really there is little to nothing effective Anonymous can do except boast about taking action. It would be nice to think they could impact them but really it will be similar to their actions with Charlie Hebdo which will amount to diddly squat and if anything just provides more publicity for them.
    • One thing you can do is screw with their social media, make it look as if ISIS hates Allah and Mohammed, not in big ways that are obvious, but smaller that makes recruits stand back and second guess.

      Interesting. One sometimes hears in the media things like "Islam is a peaceful religion" and "ISIS does not represent true Islam." I don't know enough about Islam to make a judgement either way. But let's assume that those statements are correct. What better way would there be to ruin a peaceful religion than by conducting a variety of barbaric acts in its name and vigorously publicizing them worldwide via the Internet? For example, you could behead journalists, burn captured pilots alive in a cage, tr

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