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United Kingdom Earth Power

UK's Coal Plants To Be Phased Out Within 10 Years (bbc.co.uk) 109

AmiMoJo writes: The UK's remaining coal-fired power stations will be shut by 2025, Energy Secretary Amber Rudd has announced. They will mostly be replaced with gas. Currently, coal provides 28% of the UK's electricity. Japanese/European nuclear plants built in the UK are also expected to contribute. The big question is how to ensure gas plants are built to replace it. Only one large plant is under construction today. Another, which secured a subsidy last year, is struggling to find investors. The government cut renewable energy subsidies earlier this year, which led to questions about the government's commitment to tackle climate change.
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UK's Coal Plants To Be Phased Out Within 10 Years

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  • We could just harness all the politicians hot air thats been produced about this over the last 15 years.

    I'm really beginning to believe that technically pig ignorant people should not be in politics. It seems to me that they Just Dont Get that we're have hardly any spare capacity and closing another load of stations without any new ones to immediately replace them is only going to make things worse especially if we have another cold winter.

    FFS , if they can't even formulate and carry out a sensibly policy f

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Rolling blackouts and constituents lighting up the switchboards with complaints are the only thing that will make them sensible. A shame it needs to get to that point, really.
    • I also understand that they already have a thriving industry in extracting methane and fertilizer from all the bullshit that comes out of Parliament. They tried hooking up Buckingham Palace but found that the royals don't shit, they just hold it in until they fart a diamond once a year.

    • It seems to me that they Just Dont Get that we're have hardly any spare capacity and closing another load of stations without any new ones to immediately replace them is only going to make things worse especially if we have another cold winter. FFS , if they can't even formulate and carry out a sensibly policy for building basic infrastructure what fecking chance do we have if there's a real emergency?

      Don't worry, they're not really going to turn off the plants by the due date. Some "emergency" will happen between now and then, and they'll be like: "Well, we can't close it down yet, because $EMERGENCY, but come election time everyone please remember that we really wanted to! We're pro-environment, in theory!"

      That way they can have their coke and heat it too.

      • by dbIII ( 701233 )
        Actually they are because the things are old to start with so adding another decade quite a few are going to be falling apart to the extent where it's going to take very major rebuilds to keep them going. It's a very cheap promise and is effectively the "do nothing" option.
    • by dbIII ( 701233 )
      The summary mentions new plants running on gas.
  • by Joe NoBloggs ( 4145279 ) on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @10:36AM (#50954621)
    Our government has no clue about energy policy. They are a bunch of utter morons tied to lobbyists' interests. They have already agreed a new nuclear with the Chinese that guarantees a 100% rise in energy costs over current prices and have sold (with the help of the BBC) this to the general public as an energy security initiative. My countrymen are fools and the government is made up very much of their ilk.
    • See also housing policy (housing as investment over housing as shelter), manufacturing policy (service industry, particularly banking is all the Tories care about), health policy (privatise the NHS piece by piece, selling it off to their party donors).

    • What makes you think this is a trait unique to the UK government?

  • Dear Comrades...er...Customers,
    Thanks for ditching your remaining coal plants.
    Now that you threw those pesky Ukrainians under the bus, we can now offer our natural gas without problems. I will love to sell more to you by 2025 and later.
    From Russia, with love.
    Putin
    XOXO

    • I don't see what the fuss is all about! Relations between the East and West have never been better. The UK, and large parts of Europe will be dependent on Russian Gas for many many years, which is fine. I don't have a problem with that. The hundreds of years of supply of Coal reserves that the UK has should stay in the ground where it belongs. All UK citizens are totally happy to two or three times more for their power.

    • by Xest ( 935314 )

      The UK doesn't buy gas from Russia:

      http://www.ukoog.org.uk/knowle... [ukoog.org.uk]

      Our coal however does come from Russia (and Colombia and the US) though, not Ukraine:

      http://www.carbonbrief.org/gas... [carbonbrief.org]

      So here we've clearly got a policy that actually decreases dependency on Russia, not the contrary as you're claiming.

      If the UK ends up fracking then between that and a ramping back up of North Sea gas production (or even Falklands gas extraction) the UK could easily become energy independent for quite some time.

      Which isn't t

  • From the summary:

    Japanese/European nuclear plants built in the UK are also expected to contribute

    No, we're getting Chinese [bbc.co.uk] ones. I think our politicians must be among the most easily bought.

  • Russia is not a reliable supplier. Shipping gas across the Atlantic is costly or at least undeveloped. Fracking has not taken root in Europe So, where is all that natural gas priced to be cost effect for power generation going to come from?

    • Our government are imagining it will come from fracking ; they've already passed laws that make it legal to frack under any land (regardless of it's ownership), and use any fracking fluid, and keep it a secret as to what is being used.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Russia is fine provider. Soviet Union or Russia have kept contracts as signed over the terms and time of the contract, built pipelines into the West as planned and agreed on. Russian gas flowed as expected, offered and paid for. If your nation stops paying mid contract or takes gas in transit, contract is recreated to reflect new costs or currency changes. Russia is not difficult to deal with for a gas pipeline contract. Price is set, product flows as paid for.
      Re 'So, where is all that natural gas pri
      • by Xest ( 935314 )

        "Russia is fine provider. Soviet Union or Russia have kept contracts as signed over the terms and time of the contract, built pipelines into the West as planned and agreed on. Russian gas flowed as expected, offered and paid for. If your nation stops paying mid contract or takes gas in transit, contract is recreated to reflect new costs or currency changes. Russia is not difficult to deal with for a gas pipeline contract. Price is set, product flows as paid for."

        So how much does the Kremlin pay you to spout

  • But, hey, that's just economics.

    Cameron is a pig.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      The UK is giving aways its nations power payments to China.
      The design, build costs, running costs, decontamination, decommissioning cost all get covered by the UK with profit making for all the owners and services provided over the life of a nuclear project.
  • "Harry Bradbury .. has been given licences by the government to drill for and extract gas from massive coal reserves under the sea and off the North East coast."

    "Under the North Sea there are vast deposits. We're talking about two billion tonnes of coal off the coast here. Now, to give you some measure of that, two billion tonnes has more energy in it than we've ever extracted from the totality of North Sea gas since we began." link [bbc.co.uk]

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