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Massive Marine Reserve Created In Atlantic (bbc.com) 81

An anonymous reader writes: The British government has announced that it will create a marine reserve slightly smaller than the UK in the waters off Ascension Island. The South Atlantic reserve totals 234,291 sq km and is being funded with the help of a £300,000 grant from the charitable Bacon Foundation. Charles Clover, Blue Marine Foundation chairman, said: "Ascension has been at the frontiers of science since Charles Darwin went there in the 19th Century, so it is entirely appropriate that it is now at the centre of a great scientific effort to design the Atlantic's largest marine reserve."
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  • As a USMC veteran I am looking forward to the swag and discount offers in my mailbox.
    • by KGIII ( 973947 )

      Holy shit! I opened this thread to say almost the same thing. You from the Island or are you a Hollywood Marine? ;-)

      (My retarded ass went not once but twice - I rejoined to finish paying for school. Man, that was a lot of years ago.)

      By the way, you are number four. I've found two other Marine vets here and met one of them in person. I suppose, 'tis an obligation that I say this: Semper Fi. However, you already knew that and it's a bit worn out by the masses.

      • Im a Diego alum, no muddy feet on me. Platoon 1505 '74. In 'n' out in 23 months, with early release for college.
        I live near Las Vegas, drop me a line if you have an insatiable craving to play craps or see Penn & Teller live. (Your treat, I'm currently unemployed).
        My gmail account is the same handle.
        There seems to be a lot of us around for a force 250K strong
        Captcha "sagicity"

        . Be Well.
        • by KGIII ( 973947 )

          Heh... You're old. :P I've got a place in Henderson and have been talking about going there before going back home in the spring. I may just have to hit you up. And, of course, it'll be on me. Anything less would be uncivilized. I'll try shaking the email and seeing what falls out tomorrow or something like that. I'm afraid I'd send only gibberish at this point, it's been a long day and my brain is mush.

  • Who's going to stop factory ships from going in there and trawling up the fish?

    • Re:So useless. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by jandersen ( 462034 ) on Monday January 04, 2016 @04:58AM (#51233619)

      Who's going to stop factory ships from going in there and trawling up the fish?

      Creating a marine reserve is a declaration of intent; it means that if you violate it, you have been warned. We already have enough satelites looking down (think Google Maps) the be able to follow ships around across the oceans, just to mention one thing, and there has been a lot talk in recent years about actually using this to enforce rules on shipping and fishing. This is just another small piece in that puzzle; we don't necessarily need to have marine vessels defending these areas, when we can following the perpetrators on the big CCTV in the sky and then take them to court and strip to of all assets. If there is one thing the big multinationals that own the factory ships fear, it's losing money in a serious way. I hope they will be flayed and left in a salt pit.

      • Large ships also are required to carry transponders which report to a public real-time database:

        http://www.marinetraffic.com/e... [marinetraffic.com]

        really pisses off the treasure hunters, but if a large fishing vessel were tracked into a reserve, or had its transponder go silent long enough for it to be in a reserve area, that could merit further investigation, fines, imprisonment of the captain, flogging of the crew (in Singapore), etc.

        • by swb ( 14022 )

          Read this:

          http://www.nytimes.com/interac... [nytimes.com]

          And realize nobody gives a shit and its essentially unenforced and borderline unenforceable.

          The only thing the Ascension sanctuary has in its favor is being out in the middle of blue water ocean with little or no shelf around it to support the kind of marine life variety you get around continental shelves.

          This means that the commercial fishing might not be that great and its far enough out that the shit boats used by the rogue guys may not be interested in that kin

          • I totally realize that no one cares enough to actually do something about it.

            My point is, the tech is available to accurately track the fishing vessels and do something about it _if the government cared enough to do it_. For the big ships, they wouldn't even have to intercept at sea, they could present evidence and fine the crap out of the offending nation, who could in-turn:

            a) pay up (and take the money out of the fishing company that violated the sanctuary)

            or

            b) tell the "enforcers" to bugger off, in whi

            • by swb ( 14022 )

              The first thing these rogue ships do is turn off AIS, so while the technology exists, there's zero ability to enforce the use of AIS.

              So now you have a bunch of ships running around and you have no idea where they are. Maybe the military has some kind of magic satellite technology capable of tracking every surface vessel on the ocean, but I doubt they do and if they did, they're unlikely interested in using their space technology for fishing enforcement.

              Even if you can track them via AIS, it still doesn't d

              • The first thing these rogue ships do is turn off AIS, so while the technology exists, there's zero ability to enforce the use of AIS.

                That's a whole lot simpler than you might think - you don't even need satellite or aerial surveillance (though they would help) - if you get a big ass radar ping with no AIS in that location, it's time for the patrol to go pay a visit and fire a shot across the bow. When they give some BS explanation about equipment malfunction, you confiscate the cargo and escort them from the exclusion zone with a warning the first time, and full fines/penalties for any repeat performances. Big ships without AIS are not

    • The Navy? - Countries other than the US do have them, and the Brits in particular have never been shy about using theirs to plant flags and push people around.
  • We could use a reserve force of Marines to invade Syria and fight ISIL

    • We could use a reserve force of Marines to invade Syria and fight ISIL

      Wsilould use a reserve force of Marines to invade Syria and fight ISIL

      Indeed, who is else is going to lead all the sub marines in there. Can't just airlift a sub marine into Isilland -- they'll just molotov it like the Hindenburg. Always send some marines in with the sub, too. This principle is called the Plight of Liberty and this is the deep reason why every single shiIling in the treasury goes towards glorious fealty and so utmost care is taken to contain all testing evidence of the hypersonic Zeppelin-class bomber in the Isilstan area considering how decisive an "end stag

  • by flopsquad ( 3518045 ) on Monday January 04, 2016 @04:09AM (#51233563)
    I thought it said "Massive Mana Reserve Created in Atlantic"... which would of course be redundant since it's already filled with islands [wizards.com] *ducks*
  • curious that no mention is made on main post or in news article (from state owned propagandist bbc) about the other marine reserve same uk government created in 2010 in indian ocean.

    the chagos marine protected area [wikipedia.org] gave usa freedom to use diego garcia (even allowing environmental damage if caused by military use) while just on time to conveniently prevent original inhabitants of the area (forcibly removed by same genocidal british empire, in one of many such actions) from resettling. a right they have l

    • by N1AK ( 864906 ) on Monday January 04, 2016 @04:44AM (#51233605) Homepage

      curious that no mention is made on main post or in news article (from state owned propagandist bbc)

      Not really, because this isn't a story about a different reserve, not that you'd let them stop you going off on an unrelated rant; I guess you got fed up of waiting for people to actually want your opinion on the matter so now you just project it it anywhere you can imagine up a tenuous link.

      • you may cry and tag all you want, but that last marine reserve created by uk government in order to carry out a blatant human rights violation is relevant to this creation.
        btw if you read slashdot it is known for making these types of connections about related stories in its posts. except it seems, when it comes to facts about westersn crimes and human rights violations.
        westerners do not want to face facts that their freely elected governments are engaging in ethnic cleansing, and child rapes and killings,

    • by jblues ( 1703158 )

      It is worth mentioning (at least in the comments) that the UK government has a history of creating "marine sanctuaries" for dubious reasons.

      "HMG would like to establish a "marine park" or "reserve" providing comprehensive environmental protection to the reefs and waters of the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT), a senior Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) official informed Polcouns on May 12. The official insisted that the establishment of a marine park—the world's largest—would in no wa

    • by PhilHibbs ( 4537 )

      ... state owned propagandist bbc...

      Clearly you've never watched it, if that's what you think! Or are all the direct attacks and the snide remarks and insinuations about the government just a smokescreen to hide the state control?

      • i do watch it . it is bit left wing (and even sometimes unbiased) when it comes to domestic british politics. hence it sometimes does what you describe against current tory government.
        but when it comes to foreign countries and individuals, bbc is pure state propaganda, and toe the foreign office line.

      • by KGIII ( 973947 )

        That's not implausible. See, for example, how the BBC was used for propaganda during WWII. One of the things they did was have a radio station that was *very* negative towards the UK government, including commentary about Churchill's impotency and similar, all while including enough rhetoric to be able to slip in comments that suggested the Germans didn't have to listen to Hitler and that they were being fed lies by Hitler's propaganda.

        Now, I don't believe that such is the case but, if I wanted to be contro

  • by American Patent Guy ( 653432 ) on Monday January 04, 2016 @07:44AM (#51233859) Homepage
    Ascention Island is a hunk of volcanic rock stuck in the middle of the atlantic. Does a country really get jurisdiction of 234,291 sq km (a zone roughly 500km across) out of that? I suspect someone is overstating the claim.
    • Ascention Island is a hunk of volcanic rock stuck in the middle of the atlantic. Does a country really get jurisdiction of 234,291 sq km (a zone roughly 500km across) out of that? I suspect someone is overstating the claim.

      Countries claim whatever they want to and so long as they're carrying a big enough stick then they'll keep that jurisdiction unless someone with an even bigger stick feels it's worth going to war over.

      Gibraltar and the Falklands come to mind.

    • Basically, you get jurisdiction over whatever you've got the political and military power to back up. 12 miles, 200 miles, whatever - there are plenty of disputed waters around the world. If you've got the guns, and the political will to use them, you can control the water. This includes pirates.

    • EEZ can reach up to 370 km radius. This gives Ascension Island over 430,000 sq km. The UK is about 244,000 sq km of land.

      For a while the distance of control was based on how far your cannon could shoot, but that does not work when you can send a cannonball to orbit.
    • by dj245 ( 732906 )

      Ascention Island is a hunk of volcanic rock stuck in the middle of the atlantic. Does a country really get jurisdiction of 234,291 sq km (a zone roughly 500km across) out of that? I suspect someone is overstating the claim.

      Something like this would probably go through the Marine Environment Protection Committee (MEPC) of the IMO (International Maritime Organization). The list of member states of the IMO does include [imo.org] China and Russia [imo.org], as well as many other countries (including the nearest ones of significance). It has probably been discussed at the UN as well, since IMO and UN matters usually overlap. Or maybe it wasn't discussed at all, and the UK just did this unilaterally.

      Such claims often come down to "does anybody c

  • people wonder if anyone would notice any violations of the marine park... YES, yes they would

    however not the reason you might thing the island is crawling with monitoring equipment both for environmental (its quite important to know the weather above and below the water if your a navy) and machines (satellites/networking/radio/sonar) basically its a rather nice outpost on which the British get to say what goes...

    so putting a nature reserve there is rather befitting

    regards

    John Jones

    • I'm sorry, you are a British opposed-piston valveless, supercharged uniflow scavenged, two-stroke Diesel engine used in marine and locomotive applications? The pressure must be terrible to live with. (deltic)

  • royal marine private" can we come in yet? its really cold out here.
    sergeant: negative soldier. we are to be her majesties largest atlantic marine reserve.
    officer: my floatie has a leak...
    major: Look alive soldiers! we've got a bit of large trout closing on our position!!
    ammunition technician boys ive got some real bad news...
  • Seriously! Ahhmmmm-nom-nom-nom.
  • If I am reading this right, 234.000 square kilometers are getting a grant of £300,000 ? That's around just a bit more than one UK pound per square kilometer.

    Forgive me for pointing it out, but as the proverbial saying goes, it sure feels like such a paltry sum will amount to not much more than 'peeing in the ocean' in terms of effectiveness.

    Great PR for cheap though...
  • Can no one see it? These folks clearly have no interests in preserving marine ecosystems. Their aim is nothing more than to put fisheries out of business while driving the masses to cured pork products. This is diabolical. This is, ingenious.

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