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Seismic Data From North Korea Suggest a Repeat of 2013 Nuclear Test 136

Lasrick writes: Seismologist Jeffrey Park has done an initial analysis of the seismic data from North Korea's reported nuclear weapon test and found 'an uncanny resemblance to the signals recorded for the February 12, 2013 detonation.' Park's analysis pretty much destroy's the North Korean claim that they detonated a hydrogen bomb, and he postulates that P'yongyang is desperate for attention during the US presidential election cycle.

Siegfried Hecker, one of the world's top experts on the North Korea nuclear program, is nonetheless concerned that the DPRK has now completed its fourth test, and with it a greater sophistication in their bomb design. Hecker is also skeptical that the test was an H-bomb. However, as he says, "We know so little about North Korea's nuclear weapons design and test results that we cannot completely rule it out."
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Seismic Data From North Korea Suggest a Repeat of 2013 Nuclear Test

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  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday January 07, 2016 @05:53PM (#51258425)

    We also cannot rule out that NK has crated an earthquake machine, capable of producing any degree of tremors in the Earth they would like - the seismic data being so identical re-enforces this possibility since they would likely want to copy known seismic output for a test.

    • by ericloewe ( 2129490 ) on Thursday January 07, 2016 @05:56PM (#51258445)

      A nuke might be a simpler accomplishment.

      • It's all a cover for their top secret fracking scheme.

      • Why would you want a nuclear weapon when you could have a machine to make earthquakes?

        You can't stir a cup of tea with a nuke, whereas in theory the earthquake machine offers an infinite range of variability for custom uses; paint shaking, avalanche causement, or cleaning every camera sensor in the country all at the same time. Would you not be fanatically devoted to a country where your camera sensor was forever free of dust? An earthquake machine is plainly the most direct path to the love of the people

        • by lgw ( 121541 )

          I can't believe NK would be able to independently invent an earthquake machine - the only way I buy this is if they stole the plans for HAARP. Maybe, except they'd have to get past Dick Cheney first, and we know he's good with a shotgun!

          • we know he's good with a shotgun

            Oh nonsense. We all know it's his friend who deserves all the credit for that shooting.

      • A nuke - and all the ancillary programmes and equipment - would be a much simpler accomplishment.
    • it's called fracking

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      the techonology was first achieved by the rogue state of oklahoma. we have not yet received their list of demands. however, they have shared the dangerous technology with the unstable province of alberta, which has recently upped the ante of horrors:

      http://gizmodo.com/shattering-... [gizmodo.com]

  • by The-Ixian ( 168184 ) on Thursday January 07, 2016 @06:00PM (#51258465)

    P'yongyang is desperate for attention during the US presidential election cycle

    When are we NOT in an election cycle? Is there any time ever that someone is not campaigning for public office?

    Even if they aren't actively campaigning, they are positioning and posturing for future "election cycles"

    Oh, and I believe I saw some aluminum tubes in a satellite photo of N. Korea... so....

  • He can't really be one of the top experts on the program if he admits "We know so little about North Korea's nuclear weapons design and test results", indeed the real top experts of the north korean nuclear program are all either in north korea and/or working for an intelligence agency...

  • *Yawn* (Score:2, Insightful)

    by s.petry ( 762400 )

    I know they are not a good government, but we are not going to fix them. We have not fixed them in the last 60 years of them being a bad government. Nobody else will fix them either. Every Government needs a bogeyman, and the DPRK still works as one.

    Personally even if they had a H-Bomb what is the fright? That they are going to use it against their own population? Until they have something better than coal fired missiles from the old USSR the world is not under eminent threat.

    • I know they are not a good government, but we are not going to fix them. We have not fixed them in the last 60 years of them being a bad government. Nobody else will fix them either. Every Government needs a bogeyman, and the DPRK still works as one.

      You're right. If there wasn't a Kim Jong-un, we'd have to invent one.

      Hopefully, one with a better haircut. The Kid & Play hairdo just isn't working. They just don't make super-villains like they used to.

      https://youtu.be/UEaKX9YYHiQ [youtu.be]

      • Clearly, there are North Koreans with mod points tonight. I guess they're reading Slashdot by candlelight.

        • Clearly, there are North Koreans with mod points tonight. I guess they're reading Slashdot by candlelight.

          I imagine Kim has a secret force of DPRK secret police working to monitor all Internet mentions of his regime and mod them down if they mention his hair.

          "Comrades, you must pose as normal Srashdot users and if they say anything about Kid & Pray or the fact that I'm big-boned, mod them into the stone age!"

          Because I'm so very ronery.

    • by Altrag ( 195300 )

      Maybe not "the world," but South Korea's right next door. Japan isn't that far away. Probably not too many other countries available to them (China's their biggest proponent so that's pretty unlikely..) unless they've significantly improved their rocket tech since last I heard.. but those two countries are pretty tasty looking targets anyway.

      I know Americans often like to forget, but the US alone does not encompass "the world," and NK managing to nuke Seoul or Tokyo (or even a smaller city in those nation

      • It's most likely that China's reaction in the event of NK nuking another country would be to invade NK before anybody else can so they can maintain influence there.

        • by Altrag ( 195300 )

          That would be probably the best outcome possible for everybody. NK population gets a (ok, probably fairly slight) quality of life improvement.. NK as a country are no longer a threat.. and China gets to annex some territory that nobody's going to get pissy over.

          • and China gets to annex some territory that nobody's going to get pissy over.

            Apart from South Korea. Who are a US client state.

            • by Altrag ( 195300 )

              Well yeah, SK might get pissy but it wouldn't have anything to do with being a "US client state" -- it would be because they'd want to annex NK themselves to reunite the full country of Korea.

              They'd probably still be better off with China running NK than the Kim dynasty though. China's less likely to do something totally insane just for the hell of it.

        • Its pretty reasonable to assume that if the Glorious Leader decides to launch his countries nuclear weapons against their southern rivals, his intention is to suffer a Glorious Death while dealing his rivals a devastating blow.

      • Your argument of me being an American and believing that America encompasses the world demonstrates that you have a poor and irrational belief. How about less emotional statements and some facts to back your position that DPRK is a threat.

        Fact: North Korea does not have the ability to launch a nuclear weapon at either Japan or South Korea. The scuds they have are not capable of carrying that large of a warhead, tend to fall apart, and even if the glue holds they can't hit what they aim for so missiles end

        • Think again. The biggest "real" fear in South Korea is the amount of artillery rounds North Korea could fire into Seoul,

          If and only if they think that it is absolutely impossible for a weapon to be sneaked into Seoul (or Busan, or another large port city ; how about Incheon?) on board a boat. You don't even need to get it to dock, as long as your ship is sufficiently un-suspicious that you're not searched at sea.

          Korea doesn't have as much of a drugs problem as America, but it does have a drug market. So a

          • by s.petry ( 762400 )
            Are you really attempting to convince me that someone is going to strap a DPRK made nuke to their chest and walk in to Seoul? Or are you somehow trying to convince yourself that the threat footprint for a DPRK made nuke is the same as a that of a Jihad John? I find the latter to be true, not the former. Good luck with that long overdue lobotomy!
            • Strap a bomb onto their chest - I'm not sure that would be physically possible for anyone. But stick a bomb onto a boat which is already experienced in dodging South Korean customs (lieing to the crew about their impending death, of course) and sail it into the harbour of a major SK city before someone detonates it - that's thoroughly do-able. If the term "threat footprint" has a precise meaning, I don't know what it is, but I think that's a non-trivial "threat footprint" to me. The requirements are (1) a n
    • I think the people of South Korea and Japan would like to have a word with you on that one.

  • Probably a fizzle. Didn't have their primary configured correctly to ignite the secondary or the secondary was configured or built incorrectly.

    • Or, more likely, it's the exact same kind of device they detonated 3 years ago but they're just calling it an H-bomb. Like TFA suggests.

      • You learn more from your mistakes than from your successes. The trick is to avoid repeating mistakes.

        Wasn't that an Edison-ism?

  • Apostrophe (Score:2, Insightful)

    Park's analysis pretty much destroy's the North Korean claim

    Destroys.

    Not that anyone will bother to fix it, I'm sure.

  • Oops? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Billy the Mountain ( 225541 ) on Thursday January 07, 2016 @06:20PM (#51258609) Journal
    Unfounded speculation here but...Maybe this was a mistake where they really thought they had achieved H bomb detonation because in order to do so, you must first detonate a fission bomb. Except the H bomb, for whatever reason, didn't work.

    I mean, let me ask you this, would you like to be the guy that tells Mr. Un that the H bomb fizzled?
    • No kidding.....

      Kim: Well? Did it work?
      Physicists: Uhhhhhh......YEA! Yea! It worked. The reason it was so small was because we are saving the big portion of tritium for use on the evil imperialists. We only used a tiny bit. yea. that's it!.....
      Kim: Well done!

      • So... were could we plant a few rumors suggesting that the scientists and military have deceived the Young Leader? Someone in the DPRK must be tasked with monitoring foreign reactions.
    • Such an event can occur, it is a type of fizzle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizzle_(nuclear_test) [wikipedia.org] but the seismic data doesn't seem completely consistent with that.
  • Poor little Kim (Score:1, Offtopic)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 )

    He's so ronery.

  • The truth about the seismic data can be found here:

    Not Kim jong Uns secret weapon, but his secret fitness training. [der-postillon.com]

  • by Locke2005 ( 849178 ) on Thursday January 07, 2016 @06:31PM (#51258685)
    I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone would insinuate that the honorable Kim Jong Ill would actually LIE about something like this!
  • No one is going to do anything until it's too late...and by "too late" I mean after this crank dictator sets off a nuke in a city somewhere, or sells one to some other crank(s) who set it off in a city somewhere.

    I'd not be against invading North Korea and freeing the people there. The overwhelming majority would be thanking us after a couple of months with plentiful food, clean water, and electricity that isn't rationed. Oh, and without being executed for shit like accidentally creasing a picture of Gloriou

  • What does it changes if North Korea masters building hydrogen bomb?

    Does that make the country more scary than if it just mastered fission nuclear bomb?

    • by beckett ( 27524 )

      What does it changes if North Korea masters building hydrogen bomb?

      Does that make the country more scary than if it just mastered fission nuclear bomb?

      North Korea gets more geopolitical optionality, and can maintain de facto sovereignty with a weapon of last resort. look at one of 2 (probably 3) nuclear states in the middle east, Israel, see how an ambiguous nuclear capability can protect an unprotectable position indefinitely.

      otoh it upsets the balance of power in the region, and makes the good Korea almost impossible to protect. Seoul is toast in any conflict, but that won't stop the US from sewing asia and the pacific with antiballistic missile s

      • [it] makes the good Korea almost impossible to protect.

        Is nuclear weapon relevant against the neighbor? If the north bombs the south, odds are good that it will get nuclear pollution too.

    • by Agripa ( 139780 )

      I think someone confused hydrogen bomb with boosted fission bomb. They both use tritium but the later could be small enough to be delivered by the missiles that North Korea has and would would be the next step in their atomic bomb project.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    North Korea is smart and they are still alive because of their nukes. I admire their honesty and steadfastness.

    Meanwhile, Colonel Gaddhafi has been keel-hauled and ritually sacrificed by a french secret agent on live TV. His once prosperous country is now in a state of chaos and bloodshed due to islamist militia terror. Saddam Hussein was hanged on live TV and his once prosperous country is now in a state of chaos and bloodshed due to saudi funded ISIL-Daesh terror. Assad and his iranian, russian allies are

    • In contrast, the DPRK is orderly. They were never prosperous, but their cities and villages are not being bombarded with US-supplied TOW guided missiles, their populace is not facing daily beheadings in public. Kids attend school, mothers receive medical care, people can go to work without fear of snipers

      HAH! Good one. Sure, there might not be snipers and the DPRK can't afford to waste bullets on firing squads, but they can't afford to waste the labor either, so they solve that problem with massive slav

      • I noticed you don't have anything to say about the rest of the post, and admit that the quoted part is at least partially true. The strange thing is that there is so much anti-North Korea propaganda that it makes it hard to tell what is true and what isn't.

        I can tell you this, though, and that is that if the propaganda you refer to were actually true there would have been a revolution by now. That kind of situation cannot last, people will put up with a lot, but only so much. And North Korea has been around

        • True in that the DPRK is not an active warzone, but that could be stated about the vast majority of locations and without the silly anti-American ranting and raving, or the absurd falsehoods glorifying the Mad State. For example, honesty and steadfastness are not terms that can be applied to the DPRK or it's behavior domestically or internationally. Nor do they have the resources to feed the populace, let alone provide medical care or education.

          Past that, it's just the old and discredited theory that pro

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