US Begins Dropping 'Cyberbombs' On ISIS (nytimes.com) 126
In what appears to be a significant shift in its tactic to battle against the terrorist organization, the U.S. has begun launching cyberattacks against ISIS (non-paywall link). The New York Times reports that the Department of Defense's Cyber Command unit is mounting cyberattacks against the terrorist organization. The Cyber Command unit aims to stop the organization from spreading its message. The Times reports: The goal of the new campaign is to disrupt the ability of the Islamic State to spread its message, attract new adherents, circulate orders from commanders and carry out day-to-day functions, like paying its fighters. A benefit of the administration's exceedingly rare public discussion of the campaign, officials said, is to rattle the Islamic State's commanders, who have begun to realize that sophisticated hacking efforts are manipulating their data. Potential recruits may also be deterred if they come to worry about the security of their communications with the militant group. "We are dropping cyberbombs," Robert O. Work, deputy secretary of defense said. "We have never done that before."
Fuck Your Paywall (Score:2, Troll)
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Try deleting the NYT cookies, you should get through. Works for me.
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Try deleting the NYT cookies, you should get through. Works for me.
Or just stop reading the NYT altogether to show paywalls are not acceptable.
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Nah, some of their stories I like. I'm not going to miss out if I can find a way in.
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Or perhaps get a subscription and stop stealing their content?
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If they place cookies on my hardware, I am entitled to do whatever I wish to clean my hardware. If cookies are their only deterrent, it isn't 'stealing' for me to delete them.
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Humbuggery
Bumhuggery?
Re: Fuck Your Paywall (Score:1)
Wth? You read the articles? ^_^
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I thought we were supposed to ignore the articles, do a very rapid reading of the summary for buzzwords and then write witty comments about completely unrelated topics.
The new Macbook, even with a faster SSD and faster CPU, still sucks and is way too expensive.
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MacBook / Rumours of Apple electric car, Elon Musk / Tesla, SJW / money + environmental issues.
I think I covered all three.
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Bitter, angry rants, with spittle flying, is what you're meant to be doing. Although "Offtopic" does seem to be important, I'll grant you.
Didn't you get the memo?
Rgds
Damon
PS. I have a Mac with SSD! B^>
Non-Paywalled Story (Score:5, Informative)
Via the New York Post [nypost.com]:
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From The New York Times:
Yeah. Right.
Wait, it gets better:
And by "loosely" they mean "are people" and "paid by the government".
Remember, replace all the "cyber" with "Facebook" and you'll get a better idea of what they're really doing.
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How are they going to prevent these bombs being used against the US? Parts of their last cyber weapon (Struxnet) have been reverse engineered and used against the West.
A cyber cold war with a nation state like Iran is one thing, but ISIS isn't going to hold back.
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I have a stupidly expensive laptop but I'm retarded and brought it out onto the beach yesterday morning. It was still able to ping the wireless so it seemed like a good idea at the time. Somehow, I scratched the screen.
I tell you that so that I can tell you this...
When I read your post, I read it as "Special Operations farces." The little scratch is just right and in just the right spot. I've yet to order a replacement but I will. When I got to your line about read it with Facebook substituting cyber, I had
Why Bomb? (Score:1)
Bomb is an inapropriate word for this kind of attack.
Yeah, I know, we have come to think of bombing as something the US does and it tends to reflect a larger attack, but it still seems wrong.
If you don't like cyberattack, as not sufficiently grand, than call it a Cyberinvasion.
Or how about "cyberplague". That sounds more like what we are doing - initiating a cyberplague on the Isis.
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How about "cyberpoking" or "cyberslapfighting"?
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Maybe they're sending 'em tweets that say, "Run this to see a picture of Portman covered in hot grits: $ :(){ :|:& };:" and the IS guys are following through with it, mmm?
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Looks like just a bunch of cyberfapping to me.
Basically, it is exactly what I would expect from the kind of out of touch people who are still unironically using the prefix cyber in 2016 to coin new words.
Anyone who has been paying even a little attention knows that the only acceptable words with that prefix are -punk -dyne and -sex, and only occasionally -space but only if its funnier than making a "tubes" reference.
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Here's a clue: The first amendment applies to americans living in America. Not american and not in America? Not covered.
Re:First Amendment violation (Score:5, Informative)
Here's a clue: The first amendment applies to americans living in America. Not american and not in America? Not covered.
UN declaration of human rights has it too.
"Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association."
But article 30 handles that:
"Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein."
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Well, when China stops "engag[ing] in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein", I guess we'll know that anyone gives a shit about the UN declaration of human rights.
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Well, when China stops "engag[ing] in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein", I guess we'll know that anyone gives a shit about the UN declaration of human rights.
As far as I know it's not legally binding, just "Yeah we accept this seem good" - not signed by everyone either.
Bunch of Muslim countries has signed the "Cairo-declaration of human rights in Islam" which isn't the same thing.
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And the US cares about that, why?
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Weel, if Daesh commanders feel their fundamental, human rights have been violated, they can bring their case to the International Criminal Court, where I'm sure they will be taken care of. Just like all other rights you have in human society, these rights extend to all - if you choose to violate the rights of others, then you forfeit your own right to society's protection, which is why criminals have their freedom taken away.
Re: First Amendment violation (Score:1)
"type own" -> "your own"
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Here's a clue: The first amendment applies to americans living in America. Not american and not in America? Not covered.
Bzzzt, wrong! The 1st Amendment recognizes a natural, pre-existing right to freedom of speech (among other things) possessed by all human beings. It prohibits Congress from passing any law which would infringe on the freedom of speech—anyone's freedom of speech, not just the freedom of speech of Americans or of people living in America. Directing or authorizing (or funding) any branch of government to infringe on anyone's freedom of speech would constitute passing just such a law.
Re:First Amendment violation (Score:4, Informative)
Bzzzt, wrong! The first Amendment only applies to the United States, and not just citizens but any person within its borders. How do I know this? I read the damn thing.
Here is the opening to the Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Note the last twelve words: do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Nowhere is it said our Constitution applies to everyone everywhere. It is solely for those within the United States.
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If freedom of speech were a pre-existing right, it wouldn't need a legal means to protect it.
What does pre-existing right mean anyway? It's a nonsensical concept for a law to exist before it is conceived. At most a law might be retconned, if a court issues a ruling that the law should always have been interpreted a certain way.
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Scary. (Score:2)
I bet ISIS are quaking in their boots.
That's sarcasm.
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Which version of the Quake engine are they running?
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I think that ISIS are a lot more scared of the real bombs, and also very happy indeed that America is too war-weary and politically divided to commit more than a tiny fraction of their military resources to the region.
I'm also sure that half the world's intelligence services are already playing that game. If the US tries to tap ISIS communications they'll have to find somewhere to squeeze in their bugs alongside the British, French, Israeli, Syrian, Russian, Iranian, German, Saudi Arabian, Turkish, Chinese
Fast food (Score:2)
Start dropping fast food on them. Destroy their health, destroy their ability to fight. Lots of American Idle too - the combination will be impossible to resist - it's worked on y'all, it can work on them too.
entertained to DEATH. (Score:2)
Safety, self-determination and prosperity for everybody.
Or a reasonable facade of the same.
Cyberbomb Arsenal (Score:5, Funny)
"We've developed a wide array of cybermunitions that fill various roles in our Comprehensive Cybercombat Arsenal (CCA). We can drop cyberbombs that selectively destroy the enemy's Information Superhighways and Network Bridges. We can keep out hostile cyberforces by putting up a very tall firewall and, if need be, surrounding the perimeter with cyberexplosive charges--our Minecraft is very strong. "
The Deputy Secretary leaned in conspiratorially, "Our most powerful cyberbombs can even level entire GeoCities."
He raised his eyebrows, nodded once, and finally leaned back in his chair, folding his arms with what can only be described as supreme confidence.
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I suspect these "bombs" were placed in brown paper bags, lit with a match and dropped on their doorsteps.
Tech Recycling... (Score:2)
So they are infecting ISIS machines with Microsoft Clippy?
Collateral Damage (Score:4, Insightful)
The more success that Cyber Command has, the more comfortable they will be with with launching cyber bombs. At some point there will be significant collateral damage.
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The big collateral damage is to reduce espioniage.
ISIS have HR forms, probably stored on computers, and without cyber experts. Getting access that data would be valuable. But if you destroy it then you just make your attempts obvious and they lock it down tighter. Like the way Stuxnet woke up the Iranians to cyber security, while doing very little actual damage.
This is the SOE vs CIS argument in WWII. SOE wanted to blow things up, but mainly just achieved blowing the cover of CIS intelligence agents.
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Yes very effective (Score:2)
The first rule of cyberbombs... (Score:3)
... is, don't confirm you're dropping cyberbombs!
Dang... yeah, I read the article, but still, making Daesh doubt the security of their computers a bit more pales into importance with them trusting compromised computers a bit more. How much is going to "go dark" now that the current administration decided to grab some headlines with this stuff that never should have seen the light of day? (At least, until after Daesh has ceased to be a threat to anyone.)
Or is it all disinformation? We can't compromise their computers, so make them think we have. If so, I could approve of that.
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If they're forced to 'go dark' they won't be able to recruit many more newbies from the West.
They need particularly stupid people to be their newbies, who won't be able to figure out how to navigate the dark channels.
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While I can't speak to the sophistication of ISIS IT departments.
I think it's safe to imagine they're not dunces and know what "routing around" means, including its most broadest of meanings.
How to lose a war (Score:1)
Good job there, pentagon!
Close brackes on the Sarcasm flag.
Anyone wanna join Isis? (Score:1)
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Wake me up.. (Score:1)
new 0days (Score:1)
Cyberbombed (Score:2)
I guess that's an euphemism for trolling them on twitter, à la :'Ahmed is stoopid!"
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Just wait until they start attacking US websites. It doesn't even have to be sophisticated, DDOS attacks can be quite a bother already. But I wouldn't rule out actual hacking, I mean, it's not like the US government and certainly US companies haven't been hacked before, is it? They have more than enough money to rent some botnets or buy hacking kits. And many of them actually have a university background.
I'm not sure it was a good idea to make so much publicity about these cyberattacks, it might have been a
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Wait, what if we don't want Trump to be president? Hmm? Yeah, I'm not rooting for Trump, and you can't make me!
Err... I'll just go sit in the corner on my own. No need to punish me.
ISIS $1 billion quasi-govt, not 8 guys on camels (Score:5, Insightful)
> Get real, this is bullshit. Anybody who has or uses an AK47 is not someone who stores meaningful data on a computer.
The armed forces of about 60 countries have and use the AK-47.
ISIL has about a billion dollars. They acquired $429 million when they took over the Mosul branch of the Central Bank of Iraq, and they now run retail bank branches in the territory the occupy. They "govern" a population of about 4 million, roughly half the size of Switzerland or Israel, and a bit larger than Barcelona or Houston.
ISIL has captured Syrian MiG-23 fighter jets, and demonstrated the use of Mohajer 4 drones captured from Syria and Iran. They have the M1A1M Abrams tank captured from the Iraqi army.
ISIL is a quasi-government, with not only a significant military administered by computers, but civil infrastructure as well - a tax system, payroll for 200,000 employees, etc. If you thought ISIL was a few guys riding around on camels, that's not quite true.
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> Get real, this is bullshit. Anybody who has or uses an AK47 is not someone who stores meaningful data on a computer.
The armed forces of about 60 countries have and use the AK-47.
ISIL has about a billion dollars. They acquired $429 million when they took over the Mosul branch of the Central Bank of Iraq, and they now run retail bank branches in the territory the occupy. They "govern" a population of about 4 million, roughly half the size of Switzerland or Israel, and a bit larger than Barcelona or Houston.
ISIL has captured Syrian MiG-23 fighter jets, and demonstrated the use of Mohajer 4 drones captured from Syria and Iran. They have the M1A1M Abrams tank captured from the Iraqi army.
ISIL is a quasi-government, with not only a significant military administered by computers, but civil infrastructure as well - a tax system, payroll for 200,000 employees, etc. If you thought ISIL was a few guys riding around on camels, that's not quite true.
I agree on the AK47 (and variants), but fiat money isn't explicitly worth anything. Turkey, which would be the stepping stone to Europe has a budget of 200B USD. Liechtenstein has a budget of 1B USD, and it's a micronation with 37k population.
I question if they have a significant army or tax base. Just look up German history regarding WW1 and WW2, and then scale that up to declaring war on everyone, but this time around they have immense manufacturing resources, incredible air superiority... Even if they ma
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How much is a pack of Camels these days?
To "destroy" ISIS, who we gonna call?
Al Qaeda [zerohedge.com]!
So many weapons we can't count them all. They are shipped by the ton. How many holes does it take to fill a corpse?
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Absolutely untrue. Check out this story:
http://www.wired.com/2016/03/hack-brief-isis-data-breach-identifies-22000-members/ [wired.com]
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I suppose now is the appropriate time to point out that I own a Chinese-made AK-47. I've "used" it many times. I can't say that I've shot anyone with it but, as near as I can tell, most of the owners of them have not, actually, shot anyone. I do not see them right at the moment but I'll be back in Maine soon enough so you'll need to wait. See, I've actually got pictures of it or can make some and I imagine you're probably a bit skeptical that someone with meaningful data on a computer would own such a thing
Re: Laptop's on Camelback (Score:2)
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Heh, nah, life's short. Live it like you're going to die. Chances are pretty good that you will. Discounting myths and unprovable legends, I've got a 100% success ratio backing that sentiment. Besides? I'd not want to live forever in exchange for boredom.
It was very, very adrenaline producing. This is *not* the typical crowd for which to woo with the story but I came down square across the top of it's scalp. It had charged, maybe about 20' away, and then veered off when I didn't move. The battle axe is a fe
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That boar was probably pretty high on the food chain, and a little like eating fish caught from Lake Erie or an urban river.
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Heh, nah, life's short. Live it like you're going to die. Chances are pretty good that you will. Discounting myths and unprovable legends, I've got a 100% success ratio backing that sentiment. Besides? I'd not want to live forever in exchange for boredom.
Ah, well, yes.... No.
You only have an approximate 92.5% success ratio backing that sentiment. Why? Because there have, throughout human history (and prehistory) lived approximately one hundred billion human beings on Earth; of these, about seven and a half billion still lives. So; so far, on Earth, the fatality rate for human beings is ~92.5%.
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LOL Okay, close enough. I'm a bit skeptical of your number, by the way.
At any rate, you're gonna die. Sorry 'bout that but it's just what's going to happen. No, they're not going to achieve immortality. It's not just right around the corner. So far, everyone that was born prior to 1899 has died. Actually, I think that number's now changed - 1901 is the limit now - I'm pretty sure. Some lady's at 115 and supposed to be the oldest. She might have died though. So, yeah, you're gonna die. It's okay - there's no
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Hmm... Now you've piqued my interest. ;-)
Does the Many Worlds/Universes theory actually assert that there will be infinite rules and variations in physics? My understanding was that in the other worlds the physics should be exactly the same as they are here and that such was considered almost a requirement in order for that theory to even be plausible?
So, in other words, if there's entropy in this universe and that entropy is unavoidable in this universe than it should (or *must*) also be the same in every