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Microsoft To License Nokia Brand To Foxconn, Says Report (techtimes.com) 139

SmartAboutThings quotes a report from Windows Report: It's no secret that Microsoft's phone business isn't going according to plan. Last quarter alone saw a 46% drop in phone revenue, slightly better than the 49% drop the quarter before that. And now it seems that Microsoft is finally realizing this: according to rumors, the tech giant is considering licensing 50% of its mobile business to Foxconn -- in other words, the Nokia brand it had purchased for 10 years, until 2024. It appears that negotiations have reached very advanced stages, with Microsoft and Foxconn currently deliberating the final clauses of the deal. Some of the implications of such a deal could mean about 50 percent of the Microsoft Mobile members would be looking for new jobs. The rest of the team is said to join the Microsoft Surface team, and may be tasked with working on an upcoming Surface Phone which has been rumored for some time now.
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Microsoft To License Nokia Brand To Foxconn, Says Report

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    happens again.

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      Nokia is already dead, it's just a logo that gets passed around to make zombies.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @12:58AM (#52125785)

        Depends which Nokia. Nokia, as in the one that makes phones, is history. The networking side of Nokia just slurped up Alcatel-Lucent [1], and seems to be doing solidly.

        [1]: Alcatel-Lucent makes telco grade stuff. It is expensive... but there is a big difference between a telco-tier, NEBS compliant appliance than even enterprise-tier fabric.

        • Even the network side is challenged. Many telcos are today abandoning analog lines and go VoIP.

          And there are challengers out there to the classic telcos that runs Asterisk and similar cheaper solutions. Even Skype is a considerable factor.

          Next evolution would be the mobile networks where challengers will appear. The telecom industry is changing fast now. In two decades the classic phones may be extinct.

        • by Rob Y. ( 110975 )

          I thought I'd read that the real (non-Microsoft) Nokia was about to start having Foxconn manufacture Android phones under the Nokia name - which the terms of the original sale of the phone division to Microsoft allowed to start happening around now.

          So are we going to get Nokia Android phones manufactured by Foxconn for the Finnish Nokia as well as 'Nokia' Android phones manufactured by Foxconn for Foxconn? Or has the real Nokia telecom company dropped its Android consumer plans once again?

    • Not surprising really. I got myself a lumia 950 when they first came out. I thought sweet, windows 10 laptop, xbox and phone will all be able to interact and all that. Can they fuck. Ok you can stream the xbox video to the laptop and play from there. That's cool I guess if I wanna use a 17" screen with tinny speakers instead of a 43" with huge fuckoff speakers behind it. Maybe if the wife's parents come over or something. As for the phone there's nothing. You can get the pc version xbox app but you can't st
  • Don't they build iPhones?

    • Yes that Foxconn, the one with the suicide nets around the factory.

      And they don't just build phones, they have their own brand as well and sell monitors and mainboards under it.

      • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
        Suicide nets for a suicide rate less than the general population of the US.

        I thought that you shouldn't prevent suicide by restricting access to the suicide methods. The NRA says that if you make suicide hard, it won't affect suicide rates.
    • Re:Foxconn... (Score:5, Informative)

      by nawcom ( 941663 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @10:02PM (#52125203) Homepage
      According to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], they make products (hardware) for: Acer, Amazon.com, Apple, BlackBerry, Cisco, Dell, Google, HP, Huawei, InFocus, Microsoft, Motorola, Nintendo, Nokia, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio and Xiaomi. So yeah they build a little more than iPhones.
  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @10:25PM (#52125285)
    I'm not sure what they're licensing. Patents maybe? Is the brand still strong in some countries? The only time I hear about Nokia is when folks from Europe talk about how much better the Lumina was than it's competition. But then Apple & Google came out with their phones and well..
    • Nokia used to be the king of cell phones essentially everywhere but North America. So yes, the brand is still powerful, because of some great stuff they did before the disastrous WP move.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        That would be the disastrous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] move, now he is going to Australia and Telstra, meh, company sucks balls, so they deserve him. Although based upon past evidence it would seem likely that M$ is now demonstrating a clear interest in Telsta, likely they want to grab the NBN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] to keep Google out.

        • by dbIII ( 701233 )
          Oh fuck no! First Sol Trujillo and now that prick.
          Do you Americans think that just because we have crocs, snakes, stingrays, crocs, spiders, crocs and sharks that your worst vermin should be sent to Australia?
          • Oh fuck no! First Sol Trujillo and now that prick. Do you Americans think that just because we have crocs, snakes, stingrays, crocs, spiders, crocs and sharks that your worst vermin should be sent to Australia?

            You're supposed to be feeding them to the crocs (because you could do with some more, right), but somehow they keep getting jobs instead. Come on Australia, sort it out.

    • Give the Europeans something. "We designed better cellphones, up until nine years ago" is just so precious.

      It wasn't Windows that killed them - it just failed to revive their fortunes. Elop came in because the company had fallen apart under the previous CEO.

    • The only time I hear about Nokia is when folks from Europe talk about how much better the Lumina was than it's competition.

      The Lumia's are great phones, I have a 950. They're just hampered by shit software. I doubt ms will continue with it for too long and nokia are making a great move getting their hardware designs out with android on it. I used to have an n7 on their propriety OS which I can't remember what it was called but suffered one of the same major problems as there being a fraction of the apps available and even the best just on par with average to good android apps. Even the xbox smartglass app is better on droid tha

  • It is going on 7 years old now, but I keep hanging on to it because I have yet to see anyone come up with a hand held computer that makes phone calls that has all of its features. Number one in my book would be the requirement that it the ability to run whatever software the devices owner to choose to run. Number two would be the ability of the devices owner to create whatever software that he choices to run on the device. Oh, and above all, a good hardware keyboard.

    • Number one in my book would be the requirement that it the ability to run whatever software the devices owner to choose to run.

      Android is actually pretty good in that regard. If you pick out a phone that already runs Cyanogenmod and has a good kernel, which I admit is more research than you should really have to do, it will do a good job of running software. You can install a full Linux in a chroot...

      • Number one in my book would be the requirement that it the ability to run whatever software the devices owner to choose to run.

        Android is actually pretty good in that regard. If you pick out a phone that already runs Cyanogenmod and has a good kernel, whichdmit is more research than you should really have to do, it will do a good job of running software. You can install a full Linux in a chroot...

        Number one in my book would be the requirement that it the ability to run whatever software the devices owner to choose to run.

        Android is actually pretty good in that regard. If you pick out a phone that already runs Cyanogenmod and has a good kernel, which I admit is more research than you should really have to do, it will do a good job of running software. You can install a full Linux in a chroot...

        I tried to look for what supports AOSP 6.0 and it's a pain in the ass. Did find one result, Galaxy S3 I think with some hardware not supported yet ; maybe what's needed is to know a list of 50 phone models or so and make a dozen canned searches or so on each (and how to select the likely models?).
        You find forum posts with no information and empty github pages. I believe we would have had it better in the era of web 1.0 - when there were even faq's in txt format still.
        You can find all kind of crazy stuff abo

        • I tried to look for what supports AOSP 6.0 and it's a pain in the ass. Did find one result, Galaxy S3 I think with some hardware not supported yet ; maybe what's needed is to know a list of 50 phone models or so and make a dozen canned searches or so on each (and how to select the likely models?).

          I would go to XDA-Developers or perhaps even Reddit and ask the community. You're likely to get several responses, so you have some choice.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      The Dragonbox Pyra will.

    • by quenda ( 644621 )

      Oh, and above all, a good hardware keyboard.

      Try Swype. Even Nokia had it since PR1.1 on the N9, and it made hardware keyboards redundant.

      However, if you are still not convinced, you can buy a phone-case with slideout bluetooth keyboard.
      It makes a modern Android or IOS phone almost as thick as the N900.

    • by encad ( 4448511 )

      I can feel your pain, mine died the USB-Port-Death years ago and I still havn't found anything that came close to that experience.

      What I still miss most, that calls (and to some extent your chats, text messages) all went through the same telephone app and had just different icons there, not this i need telephone app, skype app, lync app, SIP app......

      I went with Jolla and the phone didnt let me down so far, but the tablet disaster is still hard to swallow ( I got mine though).

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @10:45PM (#52125339)

    When I think of the term "Surface Phone" I can't help having visions of someone leading over to put their ear against a table to talk...

  • by realmolo ( 574068 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:09PM (#52125439)

    I still can't believe that MS blew it so badly.

    ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS THIS:

    1. Make a phone that could be fully integrated/managed with Active Directory and Group Policy, as if it were a normal PC. Including AppLocker functionality.
    2. Put a fully-functional Exchange client on it. FULLY functional. Hell, throw Skype for Business on there, too.

    That's pretty much it. Corporations would buy one for every employee. Managing Android and iPhones is a colossal pain-in-the-ass, and MS could completely take over the "business smartphone" market if they made a phone that could be easily managed. But...no.

    • They could have been bought by HP.

    • by encad ( 4448511 )

      3. Do it in a way, that made PC-Windows great... Open it completly to sideloading and puplish the specs, so that other IDEs would work as well.

      WIth DA/Exchange Integration and not three incompatible Overhauls that left older users completly in the dust, it would have been an instant buy....

      On the other Hand it seems they are trying to replicate the whole "experience" with W10, so Microsoft might not be that long around to create a PC-OS anymore after they tried to swallow HP or Lenovo ...

    • by johanw ( 1001493 )

      No, some MS-junks at the support desk would probably advocate that, but the employees would not go for it. I've seen it happen, the (MS-only) IT department wants WP but the higher managers won't have it.

    • THANK YOU. Been saying this for years. My organization, after getting tired of managing Blackberries just this month, started moving to iPhones.

      Windows Phone has been around for five or six years -- you'd think MS would've tried to get into the business world with their phones by now, but nope. We would've loved buying a bunch of phones that just integrated with everything we're already using, but now we're having to get it working on iPhones.

    • by Rob Y. ( 110975 )

      Because Microsoft, true to form, wanted to copy and co-opt Apple's and Google's business models. So they needed to have an app store that they could collect a percentage of all app sales from, and they needed an advertising-funded search engine - presented front and center in their OS. I guess they decided that WIN32 was not appropriate for this, so they threw their biggest asset to the street (i.e., the sheer number of existing Windows apps that could've been relatively easily ported to a mobile platform

  • by spiritplumber ( 1944222 ) on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:17PM (#52125459) Homepage
    you've already got all the marketing done for you.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    > the Nokia brand it had purchased for 10 years, until 2024

    My understanding is that Microsoft has a licence to use 'Nokia' for dumbphones and feature phones for 10 years, but for smartphones it was only 2 years. 'Lumia' they have for ever (unless Panasonic dispute the use of this because it is too close to 'Lumix'.

    Foxcon has already licensed 'Nokia' from real Nokia for the N1. Why would they care about Microsoft?

    • That struck me as odd too. If you purchase something it's not time limited. If it's time limited it's more like a lease or - as you said - a license.

  • by pablo_max ( 626328 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @01:28AM (#52125845)

    Personally, I think that Stephen Elop should be in prison for what he did. From every action he took it was clear that he was a plant from MS to devalue the Nokia brand as much as possible so that MS could purchase it for pennies on the dollar.
    I do not think that MS was ever too serious about producing phones, but they were very serious about acquiring Nokia's patent portfolio.
    To think about 1000's of jobs lost and lives ruined because of that ass hat. That, to me, is criminal.

    Would Nokia have turned things around eventually? Personally, I think they would have. At the time, I was in a position to see many of the models Nokia had in the pipeline. I thought they looked fantastic. Then the came Elop and Windows phone. Then came the speedy end.

    Now, I am not saying that I would condone such actions, but it has always surprised me guys like him don't get murdered by some former employees. I mean, looks at the amount of lives these guys screw up. Like Chris Galvan at Motorola in the early 2000's. This guy fired 10's of thousands of people and made one ridiculous decision after another. The year he kicked out 40k employees, he saw fit to give himself an 8 million dollar bonus. I was a lower level manager at the time as send him an email asking how much he would get when he fires the rest of the workers. I got an email back from his secretary saying his bonus was inline with the industry, to which I responded that other CEO's don't lose half their market value in 2 years.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Agree, my wife had a nokia n9, I had an n900, both great phones, that would have sold much better if allowed to. Why they didn't hedge their bets with an android model is beyond me. The n9 met its end with the washing machine, but allowed its data to be backed up one more time after it dried out. The n900 still lives but is no longer in use. These models even had an active open source community and could run java se. I used to log in to servers using ssh from an xterm and could even run x apps remotely

      • Why they didn't hedge their bets with an android model is beyond me.

        That's really easy to explain. Profits. The profits on smartphones aren't in the hardware but in the software. Hardware-wise there is basically no real difference between an iPhone and a similarly equipped Android smartphone. All the real difference is in the software. If Apple were to put Android on their phones their profit margins would evaporate faster than you could say "shareholder lawsuit". There would be nothing really different about it and thus no real reason to pay more. Nokia would have

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          The dominant reason Apple is able to charge more is because people are willing to pay more for their software. (No it isn't because of "marketing" - marketing is not magic pixie dust - there has to be products that people like behind any marketing) Apple's software is what really makes their products unique. There is only one company that has made substantial profits selling Android phones (Samsung) and there is no particular reason to believe Nokia would have been able to capture substantial profits on the

          • Actually, Samsung beat Apple in profits a few years ago.

            Samsung has beat Apple for short periods from time to time but over longer periods Apple has substantially out performed Samsung in profits from smartphones. With some slightly odd mathematics last year Apple had 92% [wsj.com] of all profits from smartphones. Samsung had about 15%. Together they actually have more than 100% of the profits because other smartphone makers actually lost money. Nobody else made any meaningful profits. You are correct that Samsung has taken the low margin high volume route and they h

        • by Rob Y. ( 110975 )

          Except that they weren't adopting a platform they could control at all. Unless the plan from the start was eventual sale to Microsoft, Nokia would have, even if Windows Mobile had been a huge success, been just another manufacturer of Windows phones - no different than if they were just another manufacturer of Android phones - but with a 2 year lag to market. If Windows phones sold, then Samsung and the rest would've started making them too. They were never going to have Apple-level profit margins. Hell

    • by zyzko ( 6739 )

      Well, then Elop failed because Microsoft did not acquire Nokia's patent portfolio (fully). They received about 8500 design patents related to phones, but the crown jewels (technology patents) are firmly still in Nokia's hands. Microsoft received a 10-year license as part of the deal, with right to renew (for more money).

      For shareholders who bought Nokia for 60 € / share of course Elop was a disaster (although Nokia was already going downhill, and nobody can say for sure if they could have recovered wit

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      Personally, I think that Stephen Elop should be in prison for what he did. From every action he took it was clear that he was a plant from MS to devalue the Nokia brand as much as possible so that MS could purchase it for pennies on the dollar. I do not think that MS was ever too serious about producing phones

      Huh what? Elop took over in 2010, three years after the iPhone. Everyone that wasn't blind and deaf knew smartphones would be absolutely huge by then. Even if we assume he was a plant, his job would have been to aggressively convert people to Windows Phone at the expense of Nokia's other platforms and total market share, not burn the house down over a bunch of patents Microsoft hardly needs if they get wiped out of the mobile market altogether. And if the plan was just to sink Nokia, why would Microsoft tie

      • by Rob Y. ( 110975 )

        Microsoft didn't 'tie Windows Phone to the mast of Nokia's ship'. They tried to get the main Android OEM's to build Windows phones - even by giving it away for free while charging patent royalties for Android. Nobody was able to sell them - including Nokia. Nokia was just the only OEM that was willing to tie their business to Microsoft's mast.

        Early versions of Windows Phones had some severe limitations, as I recall, so nobody built Windows flagships. Even the early Nokia models were low end - capitalizi

  • I mentioned this to my wife and she said, "Microsoft is in the phone business?"

    • It's more of a hobby with them than an actual business. They've proved that over and over again.
  • by Tom ( 822 )

    46% drop in phone revenue, slightly better than the 49% drop the quarter before that

    So that's a 72% loss in two years. That's not a drop, it's much faster than freefall could accomplish.

    The rest of the team is said to join the Microsoft Surface team, and may be tasked with working on an upcoming Surface Phone

    from the we-created-a-total-disaster-one-time-lets-try-again department ?

    Look, Mickeysoft: You just can't produce phones. You've been trying for 20 long years, and produced nothing but total failures. When the market says no to you so clearly, loudly and consistently, maybe it's time to give up and do something else?

  • Perhaps next Microsoft will license the 'Nokia' brand to Nokia. Btw, who owns the 'Microsoft' brand ?
  • by LordHighExecutioner ( 4245243 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @03:54AM (#52126167)
    He should be in Australia [bloomberg.com] now, not too far from China. Any hope to see him heading to manage Foxconn ? It would be the final blow to chinese economy...
  • I could see a 50% drop - they went from selling two phones per year to just one single phone. But 46%? They must have raised the price on the phone they sold.

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