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Wannabe Prime Minister Andrea Leadsom Thinks Websites Should Be Rated Like Films (theregister.co.uk) 208

An anonymous reader quotes a report fro The Register: The UK's possible future prime minister thinks all websites should be classified with minimum age ratings, just like films. Andrea Leadsom is one of two candidates left in the race for the leadership of the Conservative Party; the winner of which will become the country's Prime Minister. Although many are concerned with the authoritarian stance taken by her rival, Theresa May, Leadsom's views on many topics -- including the internet -- have come under scrutiny following her unexpected success in the leadership election. Key among those is Leadsom's apparent belief that the best solution to troublesome content on the internet is to have film-rating organization the British Board of Film Classification rate all websites, and have any unrated websites blocked by ISPs. [Writing in the New Statesman back in 2012, she focused, initially, on the need to protect children. "There are two sound ways to ensure that children are not exposed to dangerous or disturbing content," she argued. "At the level of Internet Service Provider, individual sites can be blocked 'at source' by ISPs [...] The other way is with a move away from the standard '.co.uk' and '.com' top level domains (TLDs) for more explicit content, to separate entirely inappropriate sections of the web."] She argues: "Outside of cyberspace, we have bodies such as Ofcom and the British Board of Film Classification that continually work to ensure our children are not exposed to the wrong things. This could be implemented in some way online, whereby a website would have to have its content 'rated' before being accessible online. While it sounds like a massive leap, the majority of new websites already go through testing when they are hosted to make sure that a site is intact and that files and content are free of viruses. This would simply be adding another check to the list, and in reality it is a burden already carried by film-makers."
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Wannabe Prime Minister Andrea Leadsom Thinks Websites Should Be Rated Like Films

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 09, 2016 @08:33AM (#52477385)

    How about rating Prime Ministers like films? Wouldn't that help even more?

    • by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @08:58AM (#52477489)

      How about rating Prime Ministers like films? Wouldn't that help even more?

      I can only imagine the Rotten Tomatoes ratings...

      • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

        I can only imagine the Rotten Tomatoes ratings...

        It'll be just like the fantastic 4 reboot or ghostbusters reboot. Critics and media lapdogs will give them a 60-80% approval rating, and the public will give them around 4% Though I might be generous with the 4% rating...

      • It's ok she's gone now. That's democracy for you now we don't even get to choose between Hitler & Mussolini
    • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @09:53AM (#52477717) Journal

      How about rating Prime Ministers like films? Wouldn't that help even more?

      Apparently not. The same idiot already made a play for a parental guidance (PG) rating by claiming that as a mother she would make a better prime minister. Unsurprisingly that didn't work out well either [theguardian.com].

      I'd like to say that she has no chance of being the next PM but she is being selected by Conservative party voters and a large fraction of them seem intent on destroying the UK given the recent referendum result so who knows?

    • That gives us a choice of two clueless morons about to become Prime Minister. Though to be fair posh boy Cameron did not have a clue either.

      • At least they are better than the top two candidates in the US...The corrupt grandmother who doesn't understand email, and the grandfather that believes everything he reads on Facebook (shamelessly stolen from someone else).

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 09, 2016 @08:37AM (#52477401)

    Please forgive me if I decide I don't want the government to determine what is appropriate or inappropriate for my children and then enforcing it. I think the rating idea doesn't hold water, but I wouldn't be terribly offended if they decided to rate as many websites as they like. In fact, like movie ratings I would take it under advisement. However, I certainly wouldn't want them blocking the content based on their decision to rate or not rate. I am the sole authority in deciding what is right for my children. The government gets no say in it beyond an advisory role.

    • Exactly this. I think a rating system might be handy, and if a parental control is built into a browser, it might actually be useful in some cases.
      However if they try to block sites based on it, then it is pure censorship with all the slippery slope problems that brings.

  • Awful (Score:5, Informative)

    by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @08:41AM (#52477419) Homepage Journal

    For those not familiar with what is happening in the UK at the moment, we are about to get a totally unelected leader.

    Our Prime Minister resigned after the Brexit vote. Most of the Brexit supporters went to ground too, there was some backstabbing worthy of Shakespeare, and now it's down to two candidates to replace him.

    Only members of the ruling party get a vote on who it is. The general electorate has no say, and this new ruler can stay in power for at least another four years unless something unpredicted happens.

    The choice is between Theresa May, an authoritarian bigot who is openly racist and wants repeal our human rights, and this woman who is a religious fruitcake and, for good measure, also bigot. She lied during the Brexit campaign and lied her CV.

    At least with Trump and Clinton you get to vote.

    • Re:Awful (Score:5, Informative)

      by Harlequin80 ( 1671040 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @08:50AM (#52477457)

      You never voted for David Cameron in the first instance. You voted for your local member. The party that held the majority chose one of its own to be the prime minister. It is totally possible for the party in power to change the prime minister at any time.

      So you have NEVER EVER voted for the leader of the UK. And neither has any other Westminster system of government such as Canada, Australia, or NZ.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        I fully agree, our democracy is a joke.

        At least at the last election we knew with a fair degree of certainty who the prospective leaders were. The Brexit camp claimed they would "take back democracy", but have left us with the very thing they were fighting against - unelected leaders.

        If course , the EU has PR, so is actually much more democratic than the UK system...

        • by lgw ( 121541 )

          Wait, what? You voted for Jean-Claude Juncker? Donald Tusk?

          Or do you believe, some "remainers" do, that "the problem with democracy is voting"?

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            MEPs are directly elected. Our elected MPs select representatives for the Council, and unlike the Lords it's not a lifetime job. The president is then elected by our elected representatives too, so there is accountability and democracy at all levels.

            By your standard the UK is totally undemocratic too. We didn't vote for the Prime Minister, or any of the Lords, or the Queen. At least in the EU they have PR and everyone has some kind of mandate, even if you feel it is a bit too remote.

            • by lgw ( 121541 )

              Maybe I'm confused, but I thought MPs were directly elected and your elected MPs select the PM? And Lords didn't have binding authority, just a bully pulpit? (But admittedly I don't understand how they amend bills)

      • You never voted for David Cameron in the first instance. You voted for your local member.

        Actually this is technically true for the US as well - they do not actually vote for Trump to Clinton they vote for someone who will go to Washington and cast a vote to select Trump or Clinton as the US president....which could lead to some interesting events if they change their mind after being elected.

      • So you have NEVER EVER voted for the leader of the UK.

        In theory correct, in practice that's not how it works. To give a current example, I probably won't be voting Labour at the next election, not because I don't want my local Labour MP re-elected (as actually I quite like her), but because I don't want Corbyn as PM.

        So who the leader of a party is does affect how you vote in elections, even if you're not actually directly voting for that leader as PM.

    • by bidule ( 173941 )

      Nobody voted for Ryan or Pelosi, and those are the closest match to prime minister.

      If you want to change Queen, you'll need a farcical aquatic ceremony.

      • by GNious ( 953874 )

        If you want to change Queen, you'll need a farcical aquatic ceremony.

        a'what? Aquatic ceremony? ...do tell....

    • For those not familiar with what is happening in the UK at the moment, we are about to get a totally unelected leader.

      Yes: it's a parliamentary democracy. That's how leaders are chosen in such a system. It's how European democracies work, such as they are.

      Only members of the ruling party get a vote on who it is. The general electorate has no say, and this new ruler can stay in power for at least another four years unless something unpredicted happens.

      Again, Britain is a parliamentary democracy.

      he choice is

  • by TerraFrost ( 611855 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @08:45AM (#52477429)

    Films only need to be rated if they're in theaters and even then they're not rated by the film's producer but rather by the MPAA, which isn't a free service. Home videos, as an example, pretty much never receive MPAA ratings.

    If you require websites get rated by an independent third party you make it a lot more expensive to launch a website. So much so that unless you're in it for the money it probably wouldn't be cost effective to actually do it. I mean, if they wanted to create a search engine that only shows sites that have been rated, that'd be one thing, but to expect the whole of the internet to be rated is naive

    And what happens if the content of the site changes? Does every wikipedia editor need to pay $100 to have their addition of a semi-colon reviewed by this hypothetical MPAA-like agency?

    • You'd think the 'A' at the and of 'MPAA" would be a clue, but nooooooo....

      • Well I am an American so the US ratings (G, PG, PG-13, R) are the only ratings I'm really familiar with. Are you suggesting it works differently in different countries? I would expect in every country that ratings are done by an independent third party because the idea of people rating themselves seems laughable. I mean, if people could rate their own movies, then why not have every porn movie be self-rated to the equivalent of G? Ratings are meaningless if they're done by yourself.
        • by mjm1231 ( 751545 )

          Having ratings applied by a secret cadre hasn't made them all that meaningful either. "Rated PG due to scenes of minor peril." What the fuck does that mean? Is that really useful for information for deciding if you should watch "Ice Age" with your 6 year old? Is the mild peril in "Ice Age" slightly less mild or more perilous than the G-rated "The Lion King"?

          PS: I can remember (barely) when movies didn't have ratings. Shocking, right? Oh, and when ratings were new, people understood they were guidelines that

          • [Sir Galahad the Chaste is watching the Castle Anthrax Scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail when an Internet Ratings Board warning pops up on his screen]

            Ratings Board: We were in the nick of time. You were in great peril.

            Sir Galahad: I don't think I was.

            Ratings Board: Yes, you were. You were in terrible peril.

            Sir Galahad: Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.

            Ratings Board: No, it's too perilous.

            Sir Galahad: Look, it's my duty as a knight to sample as much peril as I can.
    • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @08:49AM (#52477451) Journal

      Home videos, as an example, pretty much never receive MPAA ratings.

      I tried to submit my home videos to the MPAA for rating, but they just ignored me. Apparently, they didn't take seriously a three-hour documentary about a man who dresses up his penis like action figures.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      She seems to be very confused... she compares it to virus scanning, for example. So perhaps she thinks we can invent an AI to judge the site. Personally, if I invented such an AI is charge serious money for it, and use that to build a mansion to put my Nobel prize in, but still...

      I don't think she even understands what she is proposing.

  • No, the prime minister is wrong and websites should never be rated, never!
  • The medium is the message

  • not surprisingly, it didnt work.

  • by Archtech ( 159117 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @09:06AM (#52477513)

    If rating Web sites is a good idea, then why not rate books too? This is a long overdue initiative, which would put the UK right up at the top of the Fahrenheit 451 Censorship League. Of course there are some practical drawbacks, such as the unlikelihood that any government flunkey or private contractor would be willing to read the whole of any book. But it would be very amusing (not to say revealing) to see a list of books that Andrea Leadsom would consider dangerous.

  • by MrLint ( 519792 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @09:08AM (#52477519) Journal

    Seriously, I have an immediate visceral reaction to any politician that tries to play up the 'think of the children' angle, especially conjunction with technology. Such people inevitably have a poor relationship with technology.

    • Remember that she's over 50, so grew up before the Internet was endemic. As a result she doesn't have an instinctive understanding of how it works. She therefore parrots the phrases that she thinks make sense, whilst the kids who grow up with it merely giggle at their elders ignorance.

      [I'm in my 50s myself, but as an IT professional, I can claim to be an internet colonist, even if not a resident]

  • ...how about you randomly police movie theatres to see how well that whole "rated-R" system is actually enforced.

    ...how about you randomly police music stores to see how well that whole "explicit lyrics" system is actually enforced.

    ...how about your randomly police people's homes and see how well that whole "mature" rating is actually enforced.

    The nightly news these days is practically a form of visual terrorism when thrown in front of children, and there's no ratings or warning system in place to keep t

    • Those rating systems aren't meant to be enforced, they're just advisory. I can say from my experience growing up that at least some parents used them.

      That said, this idea is terrible.

  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @09:09AM (#52477531) Homepage

    "There are two sound ways to ensure that children are not exposed to dangerous or disturbing content,"

    Yep: mothers and fathers. Not, however, big brother.

    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      What if the parents do not exist (e.g, dead), but the child has a bigger brother then? [grin]

  • There is one problem with the proposal. The film ratings are entirely voluntary and done by the content producers, you can still buy unrated movies (typically lower quality but Netflix is full of them). There are various ratings for sites ranging from decided by church ladies to voluntary web rings. Google kind of has a filter that's fully automated but it's still possible to get around it. Censoring content never works, even regional filters are being circumvented both in and out of the U.K. (BBC IPlayer a

    • by rch7 ( 4086979 )

      It is isn't about censoring, it is about having a choice what you want to view and what not.
      Spam always finds way around, but spam filters still are able to filter most of it.
      People should be able to filter web the same as their mailbox. Whatever the rating system, they can be different and I don't know how to invent the best.
      Mixing preschool kid cartoons with adult content like Youtube does is evil.

  • 1 doomed from the get go (most ISPs will not slit their throats)
    2 Dynamic content anyone??
    3 way too easy to Misrate something
    4 GoodThink anyone??
    5 wanna start riots?? this would be a good way

  • Parental supervision.

  • ... the word, "blocked," jumped out at me, so tl;dr, but, "NO!"

  • Movies typically do not change much after creation

    Movies are not hosted in countries outside of your legislative reach

    Who does the rating? Who pays?

    Parents should parent, not rely on a nanny government, which cannot ever correctly choose what is right for a child

    • You'll find the submission paperwork in the basement of your local courthouse. Remember to bring a flash light and to take heed to all cautionary signage.

  • Things like SafeSurf and PICS were supposed to rate the web. They failed. If people want their content filtered it's not hard to find services that will do it. And that should be precisely what happens in the UK too. It should not be hard to pass legislation to require ISPs to ASK explicitly yes or no does someone want filtering during sign up and provide online controls so they can toggle this setting at any point thereafter.
  • "Wannabe Prime Minister Andrea Leadsom Thinks Websites Should Be Rated Like Films"

    Translation:

    "Wannabe Prime Minister Andrea Leadsom Is A Gormless Wanker"

  • maybe they ought to block/censor religious web sites.

  • She thinks gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married thanks to her particular kind of Christianity, a brand which, however, apparently does not preclude a bunch of toffs from dressing up and tally-hoing around the countryside, hoping for a pack of dogs to rip a fox to shreds - because she wants to have a vote on fox hunting to give people a chance to bring it back.

    On point one, her name is an anagram of "some dread anal."

    And now she's a) suggested that being a parent makes her a better choice than her

  • A useless step like this will just cripple or kill the web hosting business in the UK.

  • What rating would the prime minister candidate give this website [newstatesman.com]? How about if the company that provides ads to be displayed on that page accidentally or "accidentally" slipped an ad for a pornographic website into the list of ads to be displayed? Would that change the candidate's rating? How about if a random commenter had posted a section of an ultraviolent story filled with graphic depiction of torture, murder, and cannibalism?

    Tell you what, Ms. Leadsom. I'll name a website, and if you can rate all th
  • I'm not a parent so I've never looked into this, but every time I hear someone like this woman ranting about ratings. This could be solved a lot differently if we added something to HTML specifications. A meta tag be it. A company who feels their website is safe for children could add the meta tag to their website that says it is for purposes of this conversation "GA", "PG", "R", "X". Mandate that any site that displays pornography rate their site. The browsers then have parental controls added that b

  • It would assign a stars rating and a big red percentage of good reviews number to each rated site. Underneath would be a list of links to authoritative reviews in publications like the Greater Southeast Duluth Shopping Cart Advertiser, plus many counterparts in random foreign villages. In the spirit of adventure, about half the links clicked on would lead to comically snarky 404 pages.

  • by Z80a ( 971949 ) on Saturday July 09, 2016 @09:21PM (#52480881)

    While there's no "standard rating system", pretty much any site that is not appropriate for kids have either on its rules or on the main page a warning that its not for minors.
    Of course, this might be just a censorship move that both the old conservatives and new libs want, while the old libs and new conservatives dont.

  • If this law passes, I can see it already:

    - Porn sites decide to move to SSL/TLS.
    - 16 year old "children" keep watching porn.
    - Politicians "denounce" that people are circumventing the system, and Jesus is unhappy.
    - Crypto gets the blame! Child molesters are using cryptography to expose our kids to porn!
    - Crypto is evil! Let's ban crypto, or "control" it better.

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