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US To Auction $1.6 Million Worth of Bitcoin From Various Cases (reuters.com) 67

An anonymous reader shares a Reuters report: The U.S. government said on Monday it plans to auction over 2,700 bitcoin that were forfeited during several cases, including the prosecution of the creator of the online black market known as Silk Road. The U.S. Marshals Service said that the online auction would be held on Aug. 22, and that potential bidders must register by Aug. 18. The bitcoin are worth about $1.6 million, according to the Bitstamp exchange. The auction is the latest by the Marshals Service of the digital currency. It completed four prior auctions from June 2014 to November 2015 of bitcoin seized during the prosecution of Ross Ulbricht, who authorities say ran Silk Road.
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US To Auction $1.6 Million Worth of Bitcoin From Various Cases

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  • by clodney ( 778910 ) on Monday August 08, 2016 @12:55PM (#52665675)

    I suppose bitcoin is not technically currency, but it still seems kind of pointless to auction off bitcoins . Imagine if the headline were "Feds to auction off $1.6M in forfeited cash". You would expect the auction price to be very, very close to 1.6M. The arbitrage on bitcoins may be such that it comes in slightly less than 1.6M, but not much.

    • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Monday August 08, 2016 @12:57PM (#52665699) Homepage Journal
      Um, no. Due to the fluctuation of Bitcoin and the extended settlement time of Federal auctions you wouldn't be very smart to bid over 60-70% of value.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Luthair ( 847766 )
        Which seems like further reason for the Feds to liquidate it themselves rather than auctioning it off. Probably some arcane part of the law I guess, or just stupid bureaucracy.
        • They are liquidating it. All seized property is sold at auction.
          • by mysidia ( 191772 )

            They are liquidating it. All seized property is sold at auction.

            Currency is not.

            Also.... how do they handle small amounts of stocks and bonds?

            There's no need to hold your own auction, when the item is a commodity, and there are large public exchanges.

            If they go through the expense and wasted time of holding their own auction, 'stead of hiring a good broker to liquidate it on
            the open market, then they're just stupid; they'll wind up getting less than market value for their goods......

          • All seized property is sold at auction.

            Really? They sell drugs at auction? That's awesome! I could use a good deal on heroin. I don't have any use for kiddie porn, but it's interesting to hear they sell it at auction. Assault weapons, I'm on the fence. I don't have an immediate need for one, but if I can get a bargain at one of these auctions, it might come in handy some day...

      • Having purchased government surplus vehicles at auction, this is something any potential bidders would be wise to take note of. It can take 6 months for the government to deliver, despite collecting money immediately.
  • Who would buy? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by scorp1us ( 235526 ) on Monday August 08, 2016 @12:56PM (#52665679) Journal

    This transfer would kill any pseudo-anonymity in the blockchain. Coins assigned to feds, Feds assigned to you, then can come back and lean on you to account for who you transferred coins to... Opening the question, does a bitcoin's market value depend on who owned it previously?

    • Re:Who would buy? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Archangel Michael ( 180766 ) on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:04PM (#52665767) Journal

      Coin Washing service would quickly dissolve any link to you. Which is exactly what I would do. Once the Coins are disassociated with any person, they are useless.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      "...Opening the question, does a bitcoin's market value depend on who owned it previously?..."

      I think we are about to find out. It is an eventuality that every Bitcoin in existence will have a nefarious (or popular) history associated with it. For example: a Bitcoin that was used for payment to assassinate a public figure, or a Bitcoin used by a celebrity to purchase a hamburger --- those coins may fetch a premium to a collector.

      Assuming that Bitcoin doesn't die off, of course.

      Don't know why "the Fed", is

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You're wrong. Setup another receiving address on a proxy IP of some sort and transfer it back to yourself. It's not hard.

      • IP address? What does that have to do with it?

        It would be simple to follow the transfers as the coins move through the blockchain.

    • Re:Who would buy? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by GLMDesigns ( 2044134 ) on Monday August 08, 2016 @03:19PM (#52666897)
      This doesn't make any sense whatsover. The federal government can "buy" and "sell" BTC under aliases and do the same thing, Complete anonymity is one of the things that people desire in a cryptocurrency but it is not essential. Second there is more to anonymity then prevent government agencies from tracking you down, Some folks just like privacy and find Facebook and Google and others intrusive. Bitcoin pseudo-anonymity works quite well under those circumstances.

      The lock on my front door does a good job keeping knuckleheads away but if the US Government wanted to break into my apartment it would be useless to prevent them. That being the case should I stop locking my door when I leave the apartment because it isn't useful against the government actors?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 08, 2016 @12:56PM (#52665681)

    So I will reply with a haiku.

    Federal Auction?
    Or gigantic honeypot?
    Caveat Emptor.

  • Will they take bitcoin or other eCoins for payment? A little arbitrage here and there for the masses who don't have servers sitting in the stock exchange's basements ...

    Help them (the government) ease into handling e-currencies for profit.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    1.6 Million worth of bitcoins? Hardly.

    They will be auctioned and nobody with half a brain will pay anything close to current market value for them, and if the auction sells them for dirt cheap, that will bring the value of bitcoin tumbling down, further defeating the purpose of even participating in the auction.

    And even if you win the auction, no exchange is mad enough to give you that kind of money right away (chances are, they don't even have that kind of money in hand). You are going to have to sit on yo

    • Re:1.6 Million (Score:4, Insightful)

      by GLMDesigns ( 2044134 ) on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:29PM (#52665935)
      Sorry but you're not making any sense. There are almost 1,000,000 transaction every 10 minutes.

      Bitcoin's market value is approximately 10 billion dollars. This is not going to affect the price much. And "destroying" the coin won't make bitcoin any less valuable. Just as destroying gold doesn't make the remaining gold left valuable.

      Can government stop bitcoin? Yes. By imprisoning and killing people who use it. Outside of that - it will be very difficult (if not impossible).
  • Oh yeah, I forgot, they "destroy" the drugs so nobody takes them. It would be wrong to auction them off and keep the proceeds. Then they would be dealers. Its much better that we take their word for it when they take away all of the stuff that belongs to bad guys and sell it, except for the drugs which we never see again because they don't sell it at a public auction. You can be sure if you never see it again that it was destroyed since you can always believe the good guys. Why would they lie? Only b

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    • by arth1 ( 260657 )

      .. that state actors can seize property for their own gain.

      Really think about it for a second.

      Quite frankly anything seized and not returned should be destroyed (in the case of currency) or donated to a registered charity with a small fee assessed to the seizing department (which should also be destroyed).

      No, it should continue to be the property of whoever holds legal ownership. If someone doesn't own something legally, it should revert to the previous owner.
      Forfeiture laws are inherently abusive, and exist because of a society that's built on the "values" of government greed and punitive justice.

      • Reportedly, in the case of the Silk Road bitcoins, the Feds asked around for who owned them. Since the owner(s) would be tied to criminal activity, nobody came forward. What should the FBI have done?

  • I'm auctioning off $100 bills, starting at $110 each. Get 'em before they're gone!

    One of them is a very rare misprint- it has both the back AND the front printed upside down. I'm asking $200 for that one.

  • I wonder if potential bidders will be allowed to inspect these coins for validity? Would suck to buy $1.6m of Bitcoin to find out they are worthless/already spent.
    This would be like buying a box of confiscated iTunes gift cards; which of them have been used or had the PINs copied off before being put in the box?

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