University of California's Outsourcing Is Wrong, Says US Lawmaker (computerworld.com) 338
Earlier this week, University of California hired India-based IT company HCL to outsource some of its work offshore. As part of the announcement, it announced that it was laying off 17 percent of UCSF's total IT staff. The U.S. lawmaker, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif) and the IEEE-USA find the outsourcing job "wrong." dcblogs writes: A decision by the University of California to lay off IT employees and send their jobs overseas is under fire from U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif) and the IEEE-USA. "How are they [the university] going to tell students to go into STEM fields when they are doing as much as they can to do a number on the engineers in their employment?" said U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif). Peter Eckstein, the president of the IEEE-USA, said what the university is doing "is just one more sad example of corporations, a major university system in this case, importing non-Americans to eliminate American IT jobs." The university recently informed about 80 IT workers at its San Francisco campus, including contract employees and vendor contractors, that it hired India-based HCL, under a $50 million contract, to manage infrastructure and networking-related services. The affected employees will leave their jobs in February, after they train their contractor replacements.
"after they train their contractor replacements" (Score:5, Insightful)
No amount of money could make me train a replacement. If everyone thought the same way, we wouldn't have this problem.
Was logging in to post exactly this (Score:4, Interesting)
And when I interviewed for my next job, I'd be brutally honest about why I did it. If the prospective employer didn't like it, that would tell me all I really needed to know about working for them.
Re:Was logging in to post exactly this (Score:5, Insightful)
Too many people forget that interviews are a two way process. The company determines if you meet their needs, and you determine if they meet yours.
The moment the prospective employee forgets that second part, they screwed.
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Re:Was logging in to post exactly this (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly, when you have 100 applicants for one job, guess which side is in full control?
It's not just that. (Score:3)
It's not just that. Most people live at, or near, their income level. Society encourages this in many ways, and young people in particular are vulnerable to it because they lack the experience with the slings and arrows of unemployment in the face of established debt and other costs, so they don't sock away as is prudent.
When the question of "accept job or don't accept job" comes up, many times, there is a state of panic driving decisions to some degree. Same thing happens when one of the Bobs tells you "he
Re: It's not just that. (Score:4, Interesting)
"At home" (parents home) isn't an option for many people, and I've known people, student back in college who had no cars and so couldn't live as far from campus as I could, who paid $500/mo EACH to split a fucking bedroom with two other people. Or people like my disabled mother who for the past year until this month was paying $700/mo out of her $900/mo income to split a room with two other strangers each paying the same as her because that is the only kind of place that someone without the savings to put a deposit down can get.
Being poor is stupidly fucking expensive.
Re:Was logging in to post exactly this (Score:5, Informative)
I am a young person with a family (Score:2)
I'm not "in circumstances" (Score:2)
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Re:Was logging in to post exactly this (Score:4, Insightful)
If you don't have 6 months cost-of-living saved up, and you've been working a professional job for more than a couple years, that's your fault (unless you've had a recent disaster). If you don't keep enough savings in the bank to walk off a job if the terms of that job become unreasonable, you've made yourself an indentured servant. The only people with a valid excuse to stay and train their replacement (except maliciously) are those still recovering from a different tragedy that cut down that 6 months savings. We're not talking about a minimum-wage job here.
It really sucks that we don't teach the basics of money and savings in school, and people are left to figure it out on their own - I was an idiot until my late 20s. Take every opportunity to learn about how to build financial independence. It's not all-or-nothing, and every step is a good one. For a start, when you get that first real job, keep living like a student until you've got your disaster fund built.
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[...] that's your fault (unless you've had a recent disaster).
Let see... Great Recession... Some people on Slashdot argued that it was my fault that I was out of work for two years (2009-10), underemployed for six months (working 20 hours per month), and filed for Chapter Seven bankruptcy in 2011. I just file it under "Shit Happens" and move on. Five years later I'm still in recovery mode. Six months saved up is a nice goal, but it's not always possible.
Re:Was logging in to post exactly this (Score:4)
You aren't guaranteed a job because you went to college. You definitely are not guaranteed a job in your home city.
I went to community college — twice. Both times I worked my way through school without taking on debt. I've been working in Silicon Valley and SF Bay Area for 30+ years.
If you got an obsolete/undesired degree or refuse to move, you are at fault.
It's my fault that recruiters saw help desk on my resume, automatically assumed that I wanted a help desk job, and told me that no help desk job was available even though I didn't apply for a help desk job? With seven applicants for every job opening and no company offering assistance to move, moving wasn't a viable option. When the economy turned around and there were only three applicants for every job opening three years later, I was working again.
Six months of savings is almost always possible if you are frugal.
It took me five years to get back to where I could save again. It will take me another five years to get back to where I was before the Great Recession.
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Learn what empathy actually means (Score:2)
In the area of UCSF $60k with a family is not a fine living. You don't know what you are talking about.
So don't live near UCSF. Frankly someone with that sort of salary was probably commuting pretty far anyway. If you lose your job you move if you have to. There is no requirement that you continue to live in a place you can no longer afford. That's just idiotic. I've lost jobs before and the first thing you do is cut expenses any way you can. If that means changing locations then so be it. It's the reality of the situation.
Obviously you don't think of anyone else and lack empathy, but I guess that is considered normal here.
So saying that someone should not let themselves be cheaply bought and that the
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I've been there and done that. But the reality is that a single income family making $60k probably doesn't have a month of salary buffer. And even if they do, it is a very difficult call to burn it on moving expenses when you might have more time to find something if you stay where you are and do a bit of juggling.
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Not the original poster, but I am a Libertarian.
The reality of life is that it isn't always easy to just "move" if you have a family or other circumstances.
Well, if you're talking about the people who are traumatized by chalk marks, I can see your point. OR you can suck it up and deal with it. Of course it isn't easy.
Here is a tidbit from my father, a wise man. "Easy things are not valued, because they are easy. Hard things are valued, because they are rare" When Everyone has something, its value is replaceable by the next person's version. When EVERYONE has a college degree, then that degree is worth less becau
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You're 100% accurate and didn't actually insult me (even though you thought you did). This is a world economy, driven by world economics and world politics. Just because you're offended by it, doesn't make it less true. Cheaper is right, Middle aged is right, Middle Class is right, IT is right.
But unlike you, I actually have a plan for when I am outsourced. I will not be traumatized by it, as I fully expect it. I'll be okay because I have the foresight to see it coming. My skills are unique, and aren't all
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It's not just about lowering costs. It's about lowering costs by abusing a system, the H1B, that is specifically designed so as to not be about lowering costs but filling holes where there are too few workers. This situation does not track with the purpose of the H1B, so it is an abuse of the H1B process and should be stopped under the H1B rules. If you don't like the H1B rules, get them changed.
Don' t fire a bunch of employees after making them train their imported replacements, in violation of the visa cl
Re:What's the price of your integrity? (Score:5, Insightful)
Numbers are numbers. Money paid to employees is done out of the money the university has to spend. They either have to take in more of it, or pay out less of it. Which do you propose they do? The rest of the equation is irrelevant. Pretend for a second that YOU have employees, and your costs are going up, but your workload is not shrinking... what do you do?
There are 10 chancellors on the UC Board of Reagents; average salary is about $400k. That's $4M to start with.
Re:What's the price of your integrity? (Score:5, Informative)
The point was that if you're making $60k and then given the choice of train your replacement and continue to draw another month's worth of $60k plus some severance package to keep you on your feet for a few weeks so you can look for a job.........or walk and receive $0. It isn't that the fictional person couldn't live on $60k.....it's that the safety net only exists if you agree to train your replacement.
Re:What's the price of your integrity? (Score:4, Interesting)
This is absolutely true, and that is why we need to enact employee protection measures to ensure that employees can refuse to train their replacements without losing any severance package to which they are entitled. At-will employment needs to come to an end. If the company doesn't renew your contract? Fine. But otherwise they're stuck paying you even if they do want to hire replacements. These conditions are unheard of in more civilised parts of the world.
Really? (Score:2, Funny)
" At-will employment needs to come to an end. "
Then you can't quit. You have to honor your contract. You're stuck working as long as they're paying you.
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This is why we need a basic income.
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Whether you alone take the money likely doesn't matter but whether people in aggregate take the money or not matters. Disrupting operations costs money, a severe disruption can even be a big PR and stock price hit and that costs the board/executives money.
Have a year with 4-6 major headlines about companies that couldn't do business due to outsourcing and took stock price hits then watch how fast strategies change.
Re:What's the price of your integrity? (Score:5, Interesting)
There is the third choice. Take the pay, and botch the training. Be an incredibly bad "teacher". Don't correct even the most basic mistakes. Be like a politician, don't answer any question straight. Be rude and belittle them for asking "stupid" questions. You were hired to do some kind of work, not to teach. They can't really expect you to be able to do a good teaching job.
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There is the third choice. Take the pay, and botch the training. Be an incredibly bad "teacher". Don't correct even the most basic mistakes. Be like a politician, don't answer any question straight. Be rude and belittle them for asking "stupid" questions. You were hired to do some kind of work, not to teach. They can't really expect you to be able to do a good teaching job.
Damn! I wish I mod points right now - I'd mod you up. Sometimes subversive practices like the ones you've advocated are the only feasible response to a horribly broken system.
Re:What's the price of your integrity? (Score:4, Interesting)
Third option: Train them wrong. "Sure, of course I'll train my replacement." Teach him the most fucked up version of everything you can, but do so with a straight face. Make sure your trainee is utterly clueless on the day you tell your boss "He's ready to go! Best in the business, this one."
It raises the price of the outsourcing for the employer, and in sufficient quantities by enough employees, could even be enough to make the outsourcing project totally fail.
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It's a great sentiment but a lot of people are simply not in a position to turn down even a paltry severance package. Some people have kids to feed, some people are bad with money, some people just have rotten luck and get hit with expenses they can't ignore.
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Sadly, this being uber-SJW California, the University will probably try to portray everyone criticizing their use of out-sourcing as xenophobic racists. Any employees refusing to train their Indian replacements will end up with a team of of SJW hippies screaming "WHITE PRIVILEGE!!!" outside their house.
Maybe I'm an outlier (Score:2)
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Wow, you really love your corporate masters. The rest of us really appreciate you helping them fuck over americans
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Yes, on the days I was supposed to train my replacement I would bring a few beers and some chips to work, sit down, share them, and tell the replacement some funny stories and not to worry about those computer things.
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Funny thing.. I know a place in Denver where that happened.
The company announced the outsourcing and all the highly skilled admins who had run the place for the last decade bounced out to new jobs within a few months.
They had to call in Microsoft just to document some of the systems for the new H1B contractors.
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Microsoft? Haha, could the contractors not figure out how to press "F1"? Microsoft may make shitty software, but it is still point-and-click. A monkey could generally figure it out.
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Well if you want to come sort and document a poorly documented 60,000 user environment spanning 19 states 48 domains with Exchange, Lync, Sharepoint, tons of SQL databases and a host of custom interfaces to healthcare specific apps that live on AS400 systems be my guest.
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Holy crap.. #10,452.. when did you join?
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Hard but possible (Score:2)
It much easier to say that if you have money in the bank and no kids to feed.
Yes it is. But it's not impossible to do even if you don't have those obligations. You might have to live very frugally for a while but it can usually be done. I get that it might be tough for some people but sometimes the price to do the right thing is high. Don't live beyond your means and always have a plan in case things go south.
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It much easier to say that if you have money in the bank and no kids to feed.
Exactly! So have that money in the bank, and wait on those kids until you're financially stable. These are the most basic of life lessons. Make some minimal effort to plan you life, especially to plan for the unexpected disasters. Almost everyone will have one, and it's on you to be ready for the inevitable.
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Well geez, how does anybody miss the solution if it's that obvious. Just have money in the bank! Man, how stupid are people if they couldn't even think of that? Just have money and that solves most of your problems! Why doesn't everybody just have money?
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Unions are needed! (Score:5, Insightful)
Unions are needed!
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Laborers pool their resources in unions.
Capital owners pool their resources in companies.
I see no difference. Both are trying to gain an advantage over others to benefit themselves. Both often abuse their power if the pooling activity turns out to be successful.
Beats me why many people think one of these is a great thing and the other is a problem.
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Yes, we need a bloated political system to fix a...bloated political system.
Seriously, "Unions" are never the answer. It would only make things worse.
the H1B salary level needs enforcement / direct w2 (Score:4, Interesting)
the H1B salary level needs enforcement / direct w2 rules + an COL part to it.
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Maybe so, but that's offtopic here. These jobs are going overseas. That's the thing: I can compete with H1-Bs, they have the same cost of living I do. But the same guys living in India? Not so much.
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The simple solution is for Federal ADA's to start prosecuting people that replace a American worker with an H1-B. I believe they could argue quite effectively that employee A was replaced by H1-B performing exactly the same job functions and this violates the terms of the H1-B program. The H1-B holder should be immediately deported and the company(s) involved should all be fined a minimum of a years salary.
Personally I'd like to see the law expanded and have these violations make the CEO personally liable.
Take a long walk off a short pier (Score:2)
The affected employees will leave their jobs in February, after they train their contractor replacements.
Basically asking someone to dig their own grave. For me to do that the severance package would have to have to approach seven figures. Basically they'd have to pay for my retirement.
Re:Take a long walk off a short pier (Score:5, Funny)
Are you kidding?
And give up the opportunity to teach people how to format DVD's on the unix main frame by using:
cd / /usr/bin/rm -rf *
Re:Take a long walk off a short pier (Score:5, Funny)
Funny, I just typed that in the terminal box thingie an it doesn't seem to be formatting my DV{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER"
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That only gets rid of what is in /usr/bin.
Better is to tell them how to duplicate a DVD using
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1024 -sync
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> That only gets rid of what is in /usr/bin.
He started with cd /
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Your H1B replacement will surely be smart enough to know you can save some keystrokes and just say rm -rf /*
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So many things wrong (Score:2, Insightful)
As someone that started in school for an engineering degree and later landed in IT, IT is not "engineering" (it can be the T in STEM but it is not the E).
How many bills did Rep Lofgren introduce/vote for that would have increased the IT budget for the UC system? If they are like most places, IT is considered a "cost sink" and has to struggle to just keep an even budget (as costs increase). You can't hardly blame them for doing what they feel is necessary to maintain the service they are expected to provid
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The people that are being laid off aren't engineers, they're tech support. Mostly, I suspect, they're level one help desk.
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How many bills did Rep Lofgren introduce/vote for that would have increased the IT budget for the UC system?
None, but to be fair, Lofgren is the congresswoman for California's 19th at the federal level and the UC budget and funding are decided at the California state level. So it's not her job to do so.
Use standard jargon (Score:2)
"How are they [the university] going to tell students to go into STEM fields when they are doing as much as they can to do a number on the engineers in their employment?"
They'll probably call it "affirmative action" because it benefits poorer Indians. Problem solved!
Uhhhhh ... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Obviously, there was never a shortage of talent in the US, there is just a desire to flood the market because of salary growth. They create the illusion there isn't qualified talent by listing requirements that might as well be a fingerprint so they can justify declining anyone who applies but they don't have to justify hiring an unqualified h1b, only the americans they reject.
Shock-horror! (Score:2)
A politician decried something they know nothing about for political gain? I can't believe it!
Let me tell you, outsourcing these IT services is a hell of a lot better solution than raising tuition on students, which is what most schools have been doing like crazy. Now if we can just get them to stop wasting money on expensive, proprietary software licenses, we'll be in much better shape.
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If you are saying that these schools won't raise the price of tuition and you know that for a fact then it would be good if you could show in writing that is the case. It certainly is not a given under any circumstance I've seen.
I see the problem. . . (Score:5, Informative)
. . .they haven't outsourced the college administrators first. Given the massive administrative overhead [nytimes.com] of most colleges nowadays, that would save some serious coin. . .
zoe lofgren is my new favorite person (Score:2)
Bravo. Let's hope this starts a movement.
Professional organization and trade guild FTW (Score:5, Insightful)
If I could wave a wand and make all the lobbyists, visa loopholes and bad politics go away, I'd do two things:
1. Make systems engineer/architect level people in IT part of the registered engineering profession with all the requirements and privileges afforded to it.
2. For the rest (help desk, sysadmin of existing systems, etc.) establish a hierarchical guild system where people actually learn the work from masters and there is a progression throughout one's career based on personal achievement of levels of mastery.
Why would anyone go along with this, you ask?
For #1, Professional Engineers are responsible for maintaining licensure through exams and continuing education, like medicine and law. This guarantees at least a minimum standard -- if you know you hired a PE, you can at least guarantee they got through engineering school, passed a licensing exam and have some relevant experience. The same can't be said for a random yahoo who just made it through Bob's AngularJS Coder Bootcamp. In addition, PEs are legally liable for mistakes. If you told a company the trade-off for higher salaries was a guarantee that their project would be delivered correctly or they could get compensated, I think they'd go for it. The model today seems to be to hire a random offshoring firm, get 1000 random new grads working on your project and hope it works...this is a definite improvement.
For #2, having the routine IT tasks (simple ticket-based sysadmin running known procedures, help desk) or development tasks (code CRUD application with these exact specs) broken out as trades also promotes quality. When I started a million years ago, I came from a science background in my education. Learning how to do various IT things required lots of self-study, but I also had an informal "apprenticeship" with my more senior colleagues who taught me a lot. Formalizing this has a huge benefit in my mind -- new grads get paid to learn things the right way, again, MCSE Bootcamp is not the right way. They also are given more responsible tasks over time, not thrown in the deep end where their mistakes will end up costing companies money and downtime. It's not a union, it's a merit-driven guild -- and that distinction would have to be very clear to appeal to the overwhelmingly libertarian crowd who populate IT jobs in large numbers.
Long term, I think this is the only way to go. Healthcare has it right -- doctors (through the AMA) pay Congress bucketloads of money to ensure that the supply of physicians stays low and quality (and compensation) is kept high. We in IT/dev don't get this and we get stepped on because of it. In addition, there is a clear delineation between the professionals (doctors, dentists, nurses, pharmacists, etc.) and the paraprofessionals (assistants, aides, etc.) Computers are part of our daily lives - it's time our profession grows up and becomes recognized as important. Until then, companies will continue to think of IT the same way they see the janitorial or landscaping service -- costs to be minimized.
Re:Professional organization and trade guild FTW (Score:5, Interesting)
If I could wave a wand and make all the lobbyists, visa loopholes and bad politics go away, I'd do two things:It's not a union, it's a merit-driven guild -- and that distinction would have to be very clear to appeal to the overwhelmingly libertarian crowd who populate IT jobs in large numbers.
Interestingly anything merit driven is undermined by a legal concept known as "disparate impact", which is anything that is neutral but still has a sorting effect on protected classes. So your merit driven concept is great both in concept and practice until it hits the SJW tool of disparate impact and must effectively dismantled. It's one of the reasons why the US can't have nice things.
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I will bet that new manuagement from India (Score:2)
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Reading this, it is obvious that this is all he knows. Time to fire him.
this is where... (Score:3)
Why is this an H1-B issue (Score:2)
I'm not saying I agree with the outsourcing here, or the issues with training replacements, or the other non-sense. But I'm not sure I understand how this is an H1-B issue. I can't see where it says that people are actually coming here to take jobs and work. They may be coming here for training, but I don't see in the summary how they are displacing people here.
It sounds to me like they are offshoring a lot of these positions. Are workers in India, for example, doing work in India as outsources consider
Remove their federal funding (Score:2)
Data Privacy Laws are unenforceable overseas (Score:4, Insightful)
Quit instead of train overseas replacement (Score:3)
I'd quit immediately if I was told to train replacements before I got fired. Why knot the rope thats gonna be used to hang me? I don't understand why anyone puts up with that kind of crap. Passive resistance until you find another job, then quit asap before you do anything to help them get rid of you.
This is what unions are supposed to be for, things like ensuring that work rules and contracts do not permit forcing employees to train overseas replacements before getting laid off. Non-union employees need to stand up for themselves and not let themselves get abused like this. It would only take one or two instances of an entire IT department quitting en-masse to make the point that making employees train their overseas outsourced replacements is a non-starter. Get a couple CEOs fired rather dramatically when their outsourcing idea results in the company taking a multi-million dollar hit when an entire department quits before they get laid off.
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Fuck engineering, study something else, kids!
I studied computer programming at community college and went into IT after graduating with a 4.0 GPA. I love working in IT. Especially government IT since I have paid holidays, 20 paid time off days, 401k and healthcare. Alas, no gold-plated watch and/or pension.
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You should ask the taxpayers to pay a bit more for your gold-plated watch and pension.
My request for a $50K cost of living adjustment because I live and work in Silicon Valley got denied. No need to thank me for making substantially less than my peers while serving the public.
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You should join the private sector. We get $50k "adjustments" all the time.
I'm two years into a five-year contract that's fully funded by Congress. If the Republicans shut down the government tomorrow, I'll still be working as an essential employee. It's a nice break from working on one-year contracts that end after nine months. Meanwhile, I'm working on my InfoSec certs for my next $100K+ job.
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I better get back to work so I can pay my taxes so you can get that cushy $100K+ job with paid holidays, 20 paid time off days and healthcare and 401k.
My next job probably won't be a government job. Like I said, it's nice break. I doubt I'll become a lifer in the government.
If I work a bit harder maybe I can get you that gold-plated watch and/or pension you want.
The IT folks who worked 20+ years aren't getting a gold-plated watch and/or pension. Those days are long gone.
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I'm pretty sure you are going to be a government lifer. You sound exactly like one.
How do you draw that conclusion?
Don't be a patsy (Score:2)
It's the read-headed stepchild of the professions, and self-styled engineering nerds say they do it for the "love" of inanimate objects. Business-types know this, and will exploit it ruthlessly.
There is truth in this. To quote a favorite villian, "if you are good at something never do it for free". If you WANT to give something away for altruism that is fine (see open source software) but don't let others take advantage of your love for a subject. Always be aware that others may try to take advantage of your good nature.
Fuck engineering, study something else, kids!
No, study engineering. It's a great way to make a living. But spend some time looking at the situation you are in before stepping into it with both feet. There are bad employ
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Wonder how much the university spends on football every year (including coach's salaries, stadium and all associated costs)?
Could that money be put to better use?
Yep. All $0 of it. UCSF has exactly 9 sports, none of them football. And of the sports they do have cross country, beach volleyball, and possibly golf(depending on if they have their own course/how much they pay to play on local courses) are fairly low-capital sports. Perhaps you were thinking of Cal or USC?
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According to this article: [computerworld.com]
This layoff may have huge implications. That's because the university's IT services agreement with HCL can be leveraged by any institution in the 10-campus University of California system, which serves some 240,000 students and employs some 190,000 faculty and staff.
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The other factor everyone's missing is: why do people need to make more money for a "living wage"? Simple: too many of their costs have ballooned. And it's not across the board (technology gadgets are cheaper; look how much computers used to cost in the 80s), it's two very specific sectors: housing and healthcare.
Housing costs have skyrocketed in the last 10-15 years thanks to the housing bubble and foreign "investment". What have the politicians done to fix this issue? Nothing.
Healthcare costs have als
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Microaggressions may seem harmless, but they can soon develop into macro-microaggressions.
And before too long you've got a full-blown milliaggression on your hands.
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If you read the law, that's pretty much already the case. The fact these people are having to train their replacements means the people being hired aren't qualified to IMMEDIATELY do the job, they can't legally qualify for H-1B due to that.
What's needed is for these people to SUE THE SHIT out of UCSF and get the fucking ball rolling.
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You get what you pay for... Remember the 2 airlines that had IT meltdowns? Cost them what, 1-2 weeks of revenue because they went cheap on their IT backend?
Plus... "Train the cheap overseas guy we're hiring so we can lay you off" is plenty grounds to skip the notice period most employers want before someone quits. Hostile work environment ought to cover any need to justify immediately quitting.